Empress said:

TMPletz said:

I saw Phantom of the Park when it was originally on TV as well as the Paul Lynde Halloween Special which featured KISS. My older brother was kind of a fan back then which got me interested. Heck, I even had a KISS lunchbox which, looking back, I'm surprised I was able to bring to school without incident being it was a Catholic grade school.

I actually saw KISS in concert when I was 16. They were a fun band, but then I realized what an egotistical asshole Gene Simmons is and gave up on them decades ago. Ace was a decent guitarist and who couldn't like Paul, but Gene ruined the band for me.

The reality is most famous people are.

kpowers said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I;m surprised my ultra-religious father let my brother plaster his room with KISS posters.

As funny as it may seem KISS was a kid friendly band. KISS knew that many young kids liked them and when KISS appeared on the kids show Kids are people too Gene told the kids don't copy us regarding all the pyrotech stuff they do at their concerts.

When I saw them in 1980 there were a TON of kids with their parents.

The kid friendly stuff (the dolls and lunchboxes) was partly what drove Peter and Ace out of the band because they hated it and wanted to be in a rough and tumble dangerous rock and roll outfit with tons of groupies in the front rows like Zeppelin or the Stones. But the commercialism they embraced and willingness to sell ANYTHING inevitabley led to a younger audience.

For a good minute, though, they were considered dangerous, spooky and even satanic - like Alice Cooper or Black Sabbath. I slot them in with acts like GWAR (and even Bowie) where the theatrics and the show are half the experience.

I could make a single CD of decent to great tracks if I set my mind to it (A best of or something) but they really are pretty bad, musically speaking and, for some reason, never really improved at song writing. They have Parasite, Detroit Rock City, Black Diamond, Strutter, Shout it Loud, DO You Love Me and a couple of surprisingly decent softer numbers (Beth, Hard Luck Woman, Flaming Youth) but, holy shit, they're almost as a corny and bad as Spinal Tap most of the time.

herb4 said:

kpowers said:

As funny as it may seem KISS was a kid friendly band. KISS knew that many young kids liked them and when KISS appeared on the kids show Kids are people too Gene told the kids don't copy us regarding all the pyrotech stuff they do at their concerts.

When I saw them in 1980 there were a TON of kids with their parents.

The kid friendly stuff (the dolls and lunchboxes) was partly what drove Peter and Ace out of the band because they hated it and wanted to be in a rough and tumble dangerous rock and roll outfit with tons of groupies in the front rows like Zeppelin or the Stones. But the commercialism they embraced and willingness to sell ANYTHING inevitabley led to a younger audience.

For a good minute, though, they were considered dangerous, spooky and even satanic - like Alice Cooper or Black Sabbath. I slot them in with acts like GWAR (and even Bowie) where the theatrics and the show are half the experience.

I could make a single CD of decent to great tracks if I set my mind to it (A best of or something) but they really are pretty bad, musically speaking and, for some reason, never really improved at song writing. They have Parasite, Detroit Rock City, Black Diamond, Strutter, Shout it Loud, DO You Love Me and a couple of surprisingly decent softer numbers (Beth, Hard Luck Woman, Flaming Youth) but, holy shit, they're almost as a corny and bad as Spinal Tap most of the time.

That's true especially from some in the media and some parent groups. But a lot young kids kinda viewed KISS as superhero rock & roll stars.

KISS Concert Canceled After Paul Stanley Tests Positive For COVID-19 4

KISS frontman Paul Stanley tested positive for COVID-19, forcing the band to scrap a show.

kpowers said:

herb4 said:

When I saw them in 1980 there were a TON of kids with their parents.

The kid friendly stuff (the dolls and lunchboxes) was partly what drove Peter and Ace out of the band because they hated it and wanted to be in a rough and tumble dangerous rock and roll outfit with tons of groupies in the front rows like Zeppelin or the Stones. But the commercialism they embraced and willingness to sell ANYTHING inevitabley led to a younger audience.

For a good minute, though, they were considered dangerous, spooky and even satanic - like Alice Cooper or Black Sabbath. I slot them in with acts like GWAR (and even Bowie) where the theatrics and the show are half the experience.

I could make a single CD of decent to great tracks if I set my mind to it (A best of or something) but they really are pretty bad, musically speaking and, for some reason, never really improved at song writing. They have Parasite, Detroit Rock City, Black Diamond, Strutter, Shout it Loud, DO You Love Me and a couple of surprisingly decent softer numbers (Beth, Hard Luck Woman, Flaming Youth) but, holy shit, they're almost as a corny and bad as Spinal Tap most of the time.

That's true especially from some in the media and some parent groups. But a lot young kids kinda viewed KISS as superhero rock & roll stars.

Guilty as charged. Also, since you mentioned superheroes they also did a couple of comic books so throw that on the pile of all the shit they did to attract a child audience. They're totally shameless when it comes to selling out and make no apologies for it to the point that it's almost admirable.

I can't think of another band with less talent that's lasted as long or been even half as successful.

purplethunder3121 said:

KISS Concert Canceled After Paul Stanley Tests Positive For COVID-19 4

KISS frontman Paul Stanley tested positive for COVID-19, forcing the band to scrap a show.

It's not like he's actually singing anyway.

What? I said it.

TrivialPursuit said:

JoeTyler said:

TrivialPursuit said:

It's not like he's actually singing anyway.

What? I said it.

Yes, he lost his amazing stage voice after the mid 00's. He can still sing in the studio (check out his recent soul album) but Kiss should stop touring. I'd rather see Ace's band in a nightclub than current "Kiss".

In other words it's called getting older

herb4 said:

kpowers said:

That's true especially from some in the media and some parent groups. But a lot young kids kinda viewed KISS as superhero rock & roll stars.

Guilty as charged. Also, since you mentioned superheroes they also did a couple of comic books so throw that on the pile of all the shit they did to attract a child audience. They're totally shameless when it comes to selling out and make no apologies for it to the point that it's almost admirable.

I can't think of another band with less talent that's lasted as long or been even half as successful.

Me too.

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JoeTyler said:

TrivialPursuit said:

It's not like he's actually singing anyway.

What? I said it.

Yes, he lost his amazing stage voice after the mid 00's. He can still sing in the studio (check out his recent soul album) but Kiss should stop touring. I'd rather see Ace's band in a nightclub than current "Kiss".

The videos documenting when KISS is lip syncing, and even the source are amazing. They started doing it a lot on those KISS Kruises.

Hell, even some of Mariah and Aguilera's vocal runs etc are documented from much earlier sources. So, like Paul it's a mix of Memorex and live. Paul got lazy and wasn't even facing the microphone sometimes yet you could clearly hear his voice.

TrivialPursuit said:

purplethunder3121 said:

KISS Concert Canceled Aft...COVID-19 4

KISS frontman Paul Stanley tested positive for COVID-19, forcing the band to scrap a show.

It's not like he's actually singing anyway.

What? I said it.

He hasn't been for a while. All his vocals are lip synched and piped in. He might still do the stage banter bullshit but he's not singing anymore.

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Thing I find so funny is that their "final tour" was named "End of the Road" when

A KISS GOODBYE was right fucking there.

Co signing that they absolutely need to hang it up. I saw them 2 years ago and it was pretty rough but I give them an A for effort at least. They're shot.

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TrivialPursuit said:

Empress said:

I do like Paul Stanley, but Kiss as a group - no thanks. I agree with TrivialPursuit that their music was basic and not all that good. And, Gene Simmons is one of the most egotistical assholes out there.

And he embraces that. I think his solo record was called Asshole. He's a terrible singer. Paul used to be able to sing but his voice is garbage now from that circus barker voice he used while talking in concert.

Shamefully, I admit that I went thru a KISS phase about ten years ago. I was buying those KISSology DVD sets. I suppose I was just fascinated with the hubbub around it all. However, I eventually sold them on eBay, and got a good clip for them.

I don't think even Paul is a great songwriter. Good, maybe. But he's never written anything on his own, as a soloist, that's memorable. And none of them are writing music or putting anything out. Paul's tried the most, aside from projects Ace had.

One bigger note: Every thing that KISS said they would never do or thought was cheap, they did. Cut their hair, did glam rock, did operatic stuff, did alt rock, did cover songs, etc etc. Every single thing they shit on, they did it. It makes them hypocrites, at least.

Gene & Shannon recently put that mansion on the market for $20M. I think he bought it for $3M years and years ago. The inside pics are beautiful without all the KISS garbage littering the house.

Damn, self-loathing KISS fanatic. How much coin did you drop exactly before the flip-flop?

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My fav. KISS moment was Gene Simmons getting to meet his pitchperfect impersonator on the old Stern show:

https://youtu.be/3ZK2wkdyPOs?t=81

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WhisperingDandelions said:

TrivialPursuit said:

And he embraces that. I think his solo record was called Asshole. He's a terrible singer. Paul used to be able to sing but his voice is garbage now from that circus barker voice he used while talking in concert.

Shamefully, I admit that I went thru a KISS phase about ten years ago. I was buying those KISSology DVD sets. I suppose I was just fascinated with the hubbub around it all. However, I eventually sold them on eBay, and got a good clip for them.

I don't think even Paul is a great songwriter. Good, maybe. But he's never written anything on his own, as a soloist, that's memorable. And none of them are writing music or putting anything out. Paul's tried the most, aside from projects Ace had.

One bigger note: Every thing that KISS said they would never do or thought was cheap, they did. Cut their hair, did glam rock, did operatic stuff, did alt rock, did cover songs, etc etc. Every single thing they shit on, they did it. It makes them hypocrites, at least.

Gene & Shannon recently put that mansion on the market for $20M. I think he bought it for $3M years and years ago. The inside pics are beautiful without all the KISS garbage littering the house.

Damn, self-loathing KISS fanatic. How much coin did you drop exactly before the flip-flop?

.

My fav. KISS moment was Gene Simmons getting to meet his pitchperfect impersonator on the old Stern show:

https://youtu.be/3ZK2wkdyPOs?t=81

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Took you three edits for that?

I'm not a KISS fan. I never was. What I said was, that I fascinated with the hubbub around them, then sold the DVDs on eBay. Got 'em on sale, sold 'em for more.

My "phase" lasted like less than a year. It was around 2010. (We had just moved to the townhome that January). I've never owned a KISS album, or any other media format from them.

I sorta remember that Howard clip. Back when Howard was actually funny.

Buy low, sell high.

herb4 said:

kpowers said:

As funny as it may seem KISS was a kid friendly band. KISS knew that many young kids liked them and when KISS appeared on the kids show Kids are people too Gene told the kids don't copy us regarding all the pyrotech stuff they do at their concerts.

When I saw them in 1980 there were a TON of kids with their parents.

The kid friendly stuff (the dolls and lunchboxes) was partly what drove Peter and Ace out of the band because they hated it and wanted to be in a rough and tumble dangerous rock and roll outfit with tons of groupies in the front rows like Zeppelin or the Stones. But the commercialism they embraced and willingness to sell ANYTHING inevitabley led to a younger audience.

For a good minute, though, they were considered dangerous, spooky and even satanic - like Alice Cooper or Black Sabbath. I slot them in with acts like GWAR (and even Bowie) where the theatrics and the show are half the experience.

I could make a single CD of decent to great tracks if I set my mind to it (A best of or something) but they really are pretty bad, musically speaking and, for some reason, never really improved at song writing. They have Parasite, Detroit Rock City, Black Diamond, Strutter, Shout it Loud, DO You Love Me and a couple of surprisingly decent softer numbers (Beth, Hard Luck Woman, Flaming Youth) but, holy shit, they're almost as a corny and bad as Spinal Tap most of the time.

is about the size of it.

I instantly ignore the opinion of anyone on Hard-Rock music when they tell me "awful musicians/terrible songwriters". If you dislike the debut album or Rock N' Roll Over, you simply don't like 70's Hard-Rock, simple as that.

I deeply dislike the Sex Pistols and I find the Clash boring and overrated (and the Ramones painfully repetitive) but I'm the first one to admit that I'm not a fan of Punk music.

If you don't like 74-77 Kiss (the music, at least), you don't like 70's Hard-Rock, simple as that; who could dislike "Strutter", "Let Me Go Rock&Roll" or "Detroit Rock City"? Obviously a non-Hard-Rock fan, that's who.

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^^I agree with you Joe. Anyone who's a fan of 70's hard rock and hates KISS either was repulsed and offended by their image or never listened to a KISS record. I get the whole 1978/79 "kiddie band-disco" backlash, but I mean pre "ALIVE II" era.

SPYZFAN1 said:

^^I agree with you Joe. Anyone who's a fan of 70's hard rock and hates KISS either was repulsed and offended by their image or never listened to a KISS record. I get the whole 1978/79 "kiddie band-disco" backlash, but I mean pre "ALIVE II" era.

Honestly "I was made for loving you" kinda rocked

herb4 said:

kpowers said:

As funny as it may seem KISS was a kid friendly band. KISS knew that many young kids liked them and when KISS appeared on the kids show Kids are people too Gene told the kids don't copy us regarding all the pyrotech stuff they do at their concerts.

When I saw them in 1980 there were a TON of kids with their parents.

The kid friendly stuff (the dolls and lunchboxes) was partly what drove Peter and Ace out of the band because they hated it and wanted to be in a rough and tumble dangerous rock and roll outfit with tons of groupies in the front rows like Zeppelin or the Stones. But the commercialism they embraced and willingness to sell ANYTHING inevitabley led to a younger audience.

For a good minute, though, they were considered dangerous, spooky and even satanic - like Alice Cooper or Black Sabbath. I slot them in with acts like GWAR (and even Bowie) where the theatrics and the show are half the experience.

I could make a single CD of decent to great tracks if I set my mind to it (A best of or something) but they really are pretty bad, musically speaking and, for some reason, never really improved at song writing. They have Parasite, Detroit Rock City, Black Diamond, Strutter, Shout it Loud, DO You Love Me and a couple of surprisingly decent softer numbers (Beth, Hard Luck Woman, Flaming Youth) but, holy shit, they're almost as a corny and bad as Spinal Tap most of the time.

Beth is a classic

JoeTyler said:

I instantly ignore the opinion of anyone on Hard-Rock music when they tell me "awful musicians/terrible songwriters". If you dislike the debut album or Rock N' Roll Over, you simply don't like 70's Hard-Rock, simple as that.

I deeply dislike the Sex Pistols and I find the Clash boring and overrated (and the Ramones painfully repetitive) but I'm the first one to admit that I'm not a fan of Punk music.

If you don't like 74-77 Kiss (the music, at least), you don't like 70's Hard-Rock, simple as that; who could dislike "Strutter", "Let Me Go Rock&Roll" or "Detroit Rock City"? Obviously a non-Hard-Rock fan, that's who.

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Nah, that's not true. I LOVE 70's rock and even a lot of KISS songs (that I listed) but I'm not gonna line them up against Led Zeppelin, Sabbath, Alice Cooper or even the Stones. KISS is pretty bad and their primary strength has never been their music.

I don't think you can make a blanket statement like that which comes off as fair. I GREW UP with 70's rock, like a lot of it, and LOVED KISS but let's get real here. "Great Musicians" is not the first thing anyone thinks of when we talk about this band, come on.

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herb4 said:

KISS's GENE SIMMONS Tests Positive For COVID-19; Four More Concerts Postponed

August 31, 2021 18 Comments

The KISS bassist/vocalist's diagnosis comes less than a week after his bandmate Paul Stanley revealed that he had also contracted the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, forcing the postponement of three shows on the group's "End Of The Road" farewell tour.

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Earlier today (Tuesday, August 31), KISS released the following statement: "KISS will postpone their next four tour dates. While Paul Stanley recently tweeted that he has recovered from COVID, Gene Simmons has now tested positive and is experiencing mild symptoms. The band and crew will remain at home and isolate for the next 10 days and doctors have indicated the tour should be able to resume on September 9th at FivePoint Amphitheatre in Irvine, CA. All previously purchased tickets will be honored for the new dates once announced. More information will be emailed to ticketholders directly."

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https://www.blabbermouth....postponed/

purplethunder3121 said:

KISS's GENE SIMMONS Tests Positive For COVID-19; Four More Concerts Postponed

purplethunder3121 said: