Saw 'Tombstone' over the weekend. Amazing he wasn't even nominated for that awesome performance.

I saw that trailer - last week, I guess? Man, how people's lives change and we often don't even know it. Celebrity or not.

I love a doc, so I'll be watching.

EmmaMcG said:

Yeah it looks interesting. I've always loved Val Kilmer.

Even Batman Forever??

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

Yeah it looks interesting. I've always loved Val Kilmer.

Even Batman Forever??

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

kpowers said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Saw 'Tombstone' over the weekend. Amazing he wasn't even nominated for that awesome performance.

I watched again this weekend too.

TrivialPursuit said:

kpowers said:

Even Batman Forever??

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Deep

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

Even Batman Forever??

With a better script and a decent director, I think Val Kilmer could have been a good Batman. It's not really his fault that the movie was shit. He's a good actor and he definitely had the right look at the time.

What ruined the movie was Jim Carey's over the top portrayal of the riddler........and Tommy Lee Jones didn't help.

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said: With a better script and a decent director, I think Val Kilmer could have been a good Batman. It's not really his fault that the movie was shit. He's a good actor and he definitely had the right look at the time.

What ruined the movie was Jim Carey's over the top portrayal of the riddler........and Tommy Lee Jones didn't help.

Exactly, I hate Jim Carey and the only thing funny he did was in In Living Color.
There is a 170 minute director's cut that is said to be much darker and way better, but I doubt that.
A couple of years ago #ReleaseTheSchumacherCut was trending

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said: With a better script and a decent director, I think Val Kilmer could have been a good Batman. It's not really his fault that the movie was shit. He's a good actor and he definitely had the right look at the time.

What ruined the movie was Jim Carey's over the top portrayal of the riddler........and Tommy Lee Jones didn't help.

The main problem was The Ass known as Joel Schumacher. When I heard him say, "it's time Bruce Wayne got over the death of his parents" or wanting to make Batman "fun", I knew the movie was fucked. No understanding of the character and no respect for the source material (comics).

Ang Lee gets a lot of crap for his Hulk film, but many elements of that movie were lifted straight from the comics, particularly Incredible Hulk #312. I respexct him for doing that.

kpowers said:

uPtoWnNY said:

EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

The main problem was The Ass known as Joel Schumacher. When I heard him say, "it's time Bruce Wayne got over the death of his parents" or wanting to make Batman "fun", I knew the movie was fucked. No understanding of the character and no respect for the source material (comics).

Ang Lee gets a lot of crap for his Hulk film, but many elements of that movie were lifted straight from the comics, particularly Incredible Hulk #312. I respexct him for doing that.

Wasn't Joel Schumacher brought in specifically to "lighten" things up after Tim Burton's Batman Returns frightened off potential promotional deals? The sight of all that black shit coming out of The Penguin's mouth doesn't do much for Happy Meal sales after all.

Joel Schumacher wanted to use the 60s Batman TV show color schemes for Forever with the darker Tim Burton elements but it is said WB demanded from him to be a 'company man' and sell more toys.
Apparently WB was enraged when he turned in his 170 minute Director's cut (or maybe even just a workprint) and proceeded to edit it to hell and then Tim Burton wanted his name as a producer off of it which wasn't allowed.

They should make tell all documentaries of the making of Forever and The Snyder Cut.

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uPtoWnNY said:

kpowers said:

What ruined the movie was Jim Carey's over the top portrayal of the riddler........and Tommy Lee Jones didn't help.

The main problem was The Ass known as Joel Schumacher. When I heard him say, "it's time Bruce Wayne got over the death of his parents" or wanting to make Batman "fun", I knew the movie was fucked. No understanding of the character and no respect for the source material (comics).

Ang Lee gets a lot of crap for his Hulk film, but many elements of that movie were lifted straight from the comics, particularly Incredible Hulk #312. I respexct him for doing that.

Well there was nothing wrong with the directing & the cast was good. What was bad about it was the story and the fault goes to James Schamus who wrote the story. Also blame the CGI staff for a horrible cheesy looking Hulk. Jurassic Park came out almost 10 years before Hulk and they were leaps and bounds ahead of Hulk. 100% agree with you and EmmaMcG that Joel Schumacher was a horrible and his approach sucked. Val Kilmer was perfect for the role and could have done several more Batman movies if they were worth his time.

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

What ruined the movie was Jim Carey's over the top portrayal of the riddler........and Tommy Lee Jones didn't help.

Both Jim Carey and Tommy Lee Jones seemed to think they were playing The Joker. Very strange performances. It's very clear that Tommy Lee Jones didn't give a flying fuck about the movie and was there purely for the money. Jim Carey was Jim Carey. As he always is. Both terribly miscast.

I 100% agree with EVERYTHING you said. I think we all wanted a smart clever Riddler and not the Joker wanna be version we got. I think Anthony Hopkins would have been perfect (by the way the guy who played Riddler on Gotham, million times better than Jim Carey).

WTF

EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

The main problem was The Ass known as Joel Schumacher. When I heard him say, "it's time Bruce Wayne got over the death of his parents" or wanting to make Batman "fun", I knew the movie was fucked. No understanding of the character and no respect for the source material (comics).

Ang Lee gets a lot of crap for his Hulk film, but many elements of that movie were lifted straight from the comics, particularly Incredible Hulk #312. I respexct him for doing that.

Wasn't Joel Schumacher brought in specifically to "lighten" things up after Tim Burton's Batman Returns frightened off potential promotional deals? The sight of all that black shit coming out of The Penguin's mouth doesn't do much for Happy Meal sales after all.

Why do I have this feeling if Tim Burton would have continue directing the Batman movies Johnny Depp would have been Batman and Helena Bonham Carter as the love intrest???????

kpowers said:

uPtoWnNY said:

The main problem was The Ass known as Joel Schumacher. When I heard him say, "it's time Bruce Wayne got over the death of his parents" or wanting to make Batman "fun", I knew the movie was fucked. No understanding of the character and no respect for the source material (comics).

Ang Lee gets a lot of crap for his Hulk film, but many elements of that movie were lifted straight from the comics, particularly Incredible Hulk #312. I respexct him for doing that.

Well there was nothing wrong with the directing & the cast was good. What was bad about it was the story and the fault goes to James Schamus who wrote the story. Also blame the CGI staff for a horrible cheesy looking Hulk. Jurassic Park came out almost 10 years before Hulk and they were leaps and bounds ahead of Hulk. 100% agree with you and EmmaMcG that Joel Schumacher was a horrible and his approach sucked. Val Kilmer was perfect for the role and could have done several more Batman movies if they were worth his time.

The one good thing about 'Batman Forever'....it was better than the following film, 'Batman on Ice"..... . WB nearly killed the franchise with that shitfest.

uPtoWnNY said:

kpowers said:

Well there was nothing wrong with the directing & the cast was good. What was bad about it was the story and the fault goes to James Schamus who wrote the story. Also blame the CGI staff for a horrible cheesy looking Hulk. Jurassic Park came out almost 10 years before Hulk and they were leaps and bounds ahead of Hulk. 100% agree with you and EmmaMcG that Joel Schumacher was a horrible and his approach sucked. Val Kilmer was perfect for the role and could have done several more Batman movies if they were worth his time.

The one good thing about 'Batman Forever'....it was better than the following film, 'Batman on Ice"..... . WB nearly killed the franchise with that shitfest.

MMMMM wow that's a tough one to answer, I like Val Kilmer way better than George Clooney. Wow hate to say this but Arnold Schwarzenegger did a better job than Jim Carey and Tommy Lee Jones did, and Arnold Schwarzenegger was horrible in the movie. I just tell people skip these movies and watch Batman the Animated Series instead.

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kpowers said:

kpowers said:

Phase3 said:

Never understood the hate for batman forever. Jim Carrey is hilarious.If you think he wasn't funny in anything other than "In loving color" then something is seriously wrong How can you not laugh when viewing "Me myself and Irene" or one of the great comedies of all time "Dumb and dumber"? He was a pretty good riddler. Supposedly Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones did not get along very well at all on set of batman forever.

There are people in this world that think or thought Jerry Lewis was funny, well sorry but that cringy stuff is not for me (he was good in King of Comedy tho) and that's the same I think of Jim Carey. Just different taste in comedy nothing more, nothing dramatic.
If you think he's funny then good for you enjoy it he has a big fan base but also a lot of people who don't think he's funny or like his lame slapstick humor.

Phase3 said:

Never understood the hate for batman forever. Jim Carrey is hilarious.If you think he wasn't funny in anything other than "In loving color" then something is seriously wrong How can you not laugh when viewing "Me myself and Irene" or one of the great comedies of all time "Dumb and dumber"? He was a pretty good riddler. Supposedly Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones did not get along very well at all on set of batman forever.

Because the Riddler is not suppose to be funny

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

Why do I have this feeling if Tim Burton would have continue directing the Batman movies Johnny Depp would have been Batman and Helena Bonham Carter as the love intrest???????

I'm pretty sure he would have kept Michael Keaton but it's fun to think about an alternate Burton Batman movie with Johnny Depp as Batman, Helena Bonham Carter as Poison Ivy and Winona Ryder as a Burton-version Harley Quinn. Throw in Vincent Price as Alfred too because why not?

That sounds kinda interesting

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said: I'm pretty sure he would have kept Michael Keaton but it's fun to think about an alternate Burton Batman movie with Johnny Depp as Batman, Helena Bonham Carter as Poison Ivy and Winona Ryder as a Burton-version Harley Quinn. Throw in Vincent Price as Alfred too because why not?

That sounds kinda interesting

Wasn't he with that (really hot) model back then who he put in every movie, she could have been a great Poison Ivy and I would have loved to see Depp go all creepy as a real riddler and throw in 90s Marie-Loise Parker as Harley Quinn.

JorisE73 said:

kpowers said:

That sounds kinda interesting

Wasn't he with that (really hot) model back then who he put in every movie, she could have been a great Poison Ivy and I would have loved to see Depp go all creepy as a real riddler and throw in 90s Marie-Loise Parker as Harley Quinn.

Kate Moss??

Phase3 said: