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Val Kilmer coming with a doc....VAL

https://youtu.be/YqNnhgEyQCU
I had to think about this one. I'm interested.
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


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Reply #1 posted 07/18/21 1:25pm

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Yeah it looks interesting. I've always loved Val Kilmer.
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Reply #2 posted 07/18/21 4:23pm

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Saw 'Tombstone' over the weekend. Amazing he wasn't even nominated for that awesome performance.

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Reply #3 posted 07/18/21 9:01pm

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I saw that trailer - last week, I guess? Man, how people's lives change and we often don't even know it. Celebrity or not.

I love a doc, so I'll be watching.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #4 posted 07/19/21 10:20am

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EmmaMcG said:

Yeah it looks interesting. I've always loved Val Kilmer.

Even Batman Forever??

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Reply #5 posted 07/19/21 2:21pm

TrivialPursuit

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kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

Yeah it looks interesting. I've always loved Val Kilmer.

Even Batman Forever??


Don't hate the player, hate the game.

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Reply #6 posted 07/19/21 2:51pm

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kpowers said:



EmmaMcG said:


Yeah it looks interesting. I've always loved Val Kilmer.

Even Batman Forever??



With a better script and a decent director, I think Val Kilmer could have been a good Batman. It's not really his fault that the movie was shit. He's a good actor and he definitely had the right look at the time.
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Reply #7 posted 07/19/21 3:25pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

Saw 'Tombstone' over the weekend. Amazing he wasn't even nominated for that awesome performance.

lol I watched again this weekend too.

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Reply #8 posted 07/20/21 2:32am

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TrivialPursuit said:

kpowers said:

Even Batman Forever??


Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Deep

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Reply #9 posted 07/20/21 2:38am

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EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

Even Batman Forever??

With a better script and a decent director, I think Val Kilmer could have been a good Batman. It's not really his fault that the movie was shit. He's a good actor and he definitely had the right look at the time.

What ruined the movie was Jim Carey's over the top portrayal of the riddler........and Tommy Lee Jones didn't help.

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Reply #10 posted 07/20/21 4:50am

JorisE73

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said: With a better script and a decent director, I think Val Kilmer could have been a good Batman. It's not really his fault that the movie was shit. He's a good actor and he definitely had the right look at the time.

What ruined the movie was Jim Carey's over the top portrayal of the riddler........and Tommy Lee Jones didn't help.


Exactly, I hate Jim Carey and the only thing funny he did was in In Living Color.
There is a 170 minute director's cut that is said to be much darker and way better, but I doubt that.
A couple of years ago #ReleaseTheSchumacherCut was trending lol

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Reply #11 posted 07/20/21 6:13am

uPtoWnNY

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said: With a better script and a decent director, I think Val Kilmer could have been a good Batman. It's not really his fault that the movie was shit. He's a good actor and he definitely had the right look at the time.

What ruined the movie was Jim Carey's over the top portrayal of the riddler........and Tommy Lee Jones didn't help.

The main problem was The Ass known as Joel Schumacher. When I heard him say, "it's time Bruce Wayne got over the death of his parents" or wanting to make Batman "fun", I knew the movie was fucked. No understanding of the character and no respect for the source material (comics).

Ang Lee gets a lot of crap for his Hulk film, but many elements of that movie were lifted straight from the comics, particularly Incredible Hulk #312. I respexct him for doing that.

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Reply #12 posted 07/20/21 6:16am

EmmaMcG

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kpowers said:



EmmaMcG said:


kpowers said:


Even Batman Forever??



With a better script and a decent director, I think Val Kilmer could have been a good Batman. It's not really his fault that the movie was shit. He's a good actor and he definitely had the right look at the time.

What ruined the movie was Jim Carey's over the top portrayal of the riddler.....and Tommy Lee Jones didn't help.



Both Jim Carey and Tommy Lee Jones seemed to think they were playing The Joker. Very strange performances. It's very clear that Tommy Lee Jones didn't give a flying fuck about the movie and was there purely for the money. Jim Carey was Jim Carey. As he always is. Both terribly miscast.
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Reply #13 posted 07/20/21 6:21am

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uPtoWnNY said:



kpowers said:




EmmaMcG said:


kpowers said: With a better script and a decent director, I think Val Kilmer could have been a good Batman. It's not really his fault that the movie was shit. He's a good actor and he definitely had the right look at the time.

What ruined the movie was Jim Carey's over the top portrayal of the riddler.....and Tommy Lee Jones didn't help.




The main problem was The Ass known as Joel Schumacher. When I heard him say, "it's time Bruce Wayne got over the death of his parents" or wanting to make Batman "fun", I knew the movie was fucked. No understanding of the character and no respect for the source material (comics).



Ang Lee gets a lot of crap for his Hulk film, but many elements of that movie were lifted straight from the comics, particularly Incredible Hulk #312. I respexct him for doing that.



Wasn't Joel Schumacher brought in specifically to "lighten" things up after Tim Burton's Batman Returns frightened off potential promotional deals? The sight of all that black shit coming out of The Penguin's mouth doesn't do much for Happy Meal sales after all.
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Reply #14 posted 07/20/21 6:34am

JorisE73

EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

The main problem was The Ass known as Joel Schumacher. When I heard him say, "it's time Bruce Wayne got over the death of his parents" or wanting to make Batman "fun", I knew the movie was fucked. No understanding of the character and no respect for the source material (comics).

Ang Lee gets a lot of crap for his Hulk film, but many elements of that movie were lifted straight from the comics, particularly Incredible Hulk #312. I respexct him for doing that.

Wasn't Joel Schumacher brought in specifically to "lighten" things up after Tim Burton's Batman Returns frightened off potential promotional deals? The sight of all that black shit coming out of The Penguin's mouth doesn't do much for Happy Meal sales after all.


Joel Schumacher wanted to use the 60s Batman TV show color schemes for Forever with the darker Tim Burton elements but it is said WB demanded from him to be a 'company man' and sell more toys.
Apparently WB was enraged when he turned in his 170 minute Director's cut (or maybe even just a workprint) and proceeded to edit it to hell and then Tim Burton wanted his name as a producer off of it which wasn't allowed.


They should make tell all documentaries of the making of Forever and The Snyder Cut. lol

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Reply #15 posted 07/20/21 9:32am

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uPtoWnNY said:

kpowers said:

What ruined the movie was Jim Carey's over the top portrayal of the riddler........and Tommy Lee Jones didn't help.

The main problem was The Ass known as Joel Schumacher. When I heard him say, "it's time Bruce Wayne got over the death of his parents" or wanting to make Batman "fun", I knew the movie was fucked. No understanding of the character and no respect for the source material (comics).

Ang Lee gets a lot of crap for his Hulk film, but many elements of that movie were lifted straight from the comics, particularly Incredible Hulk #312. I respexct him for doing that.

Well there was nothing wrong with the directing & the cast was good. What was bad about it was the story and the fault goes to James Schamus who wrote the story. Also blame the CGI staff for a horrible cheesy looking Hulk. Jurassic Park came out almost 10 years before Hulk and they were leaps and bounds ahead of Hulk. 100% agree with you and EmmaMcG that Joel Schumacher was a horrible and his approach sucked. Val Kilmer was perfect for the role and could have done several more Batman movies if they were worth his time.

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Reply #16 posted 07/20/21 9:39am

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EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

What ruined the movie was Jim Carey's over the top portrayal of the riddler........and Tommy Lee Jones didn't help.

Both Jim Carey and Tommy Lee Jones seemed to think they were playing The Joker. Very strange performances. It's very clear that Tommy Lee Jones didn't give a flying fuck about the movie and was there purely for the money. Jim Carey was Jim Carey. As he always is. Both terribly miscast.

I 100% agree with EVERYTHING you said. I think we all wanted a smart clever Riddler and not the Joker wanna be version we got. I think Anthony Hopkins would have been perfect (by the way the guy who played Riddler on Gotham, million times better than Jim Carey).

riddler gifs | WiffleGif

shocked omfg confuse hmmm WTF

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Reply #17 posted 07/20/21 10:23am

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EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

The main problem was The Ass known as Joel Schumacher. When I heard him say, "it's time Bruce Wayne got over the death of his parents" or wanting to make Batman "fun", I knew the movie was fucked. No understanding of the character and no respect for the source material (comics).

Ang Lee gets a lot of crap for his Hulk film, but many elements of that movie were lifted straight from the comics, particularly Incredible Hulk #312. I respexct him for doing that.

Wasn't Joel Schumacher brought in specifically to "lighten" things up after Tim Burton's Batman Returns frightened off potential promotional deals? The sight of all that black shit coming out of The Penguin's mouth doesn't do much for Happy Meal sales after all.

Why do I have this feeling if Tim Burton would have continue directing the Batman movies Johnny Depp would have been Batman and Helena Bonham Carter as the love intrest???????

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Reply #18 posted 07/20/21 10:31am

uPtoWnNY

kpowers said:

uPtoWnNY said:

The main problem was The Ass known as Joel Schumacher. When I heard him say, "it's time Bruce Wayne got over the death of his parents" or wanting to make Batman "fun", I knew the movie was fucked. No understanding of the character and no respect for the source material (comics).

Ang Lee gets a lot of crap for his Hulk film, but many elements of that movie were lifted straight from the comics, particularly Incredible Hulk #312. I respexct him for doing that.

Well there was nothing wrong with the directing & the cast was good. What was bad about it was the story and the fault goes to James Schamus who wrote the story. Also blame the CGI staff for a horrible cheesy looking Hulk. Jurassic Park came out almost 10 years before Hulk and they were leaps and bounds ahead of Hulk. 100% agree with you and EmmaMcG that Joel Schumacher was a horrible and his approach sucked. Val Kilmer was perfect for the role and could have done several more Batman movies if they were worth his time.

The one good thing about 'Batman Forever'....it was better than the following film, 'Batman on Ice"..... disbelief disbelief disbelief disbelief disbelief . WB nearly killed the franchise with that shitfest.

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Reply #19 posted 07/20/21 10:37am

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uPtoWnNY said:

kpowers said:

Well there was nothing wrong with the directing & the cast was good. What was bad about it was the story and the fault goes to James Schamus who wrote the story. Also blame the CGI staff for a horrible cheesy looking Hulk. Jurassic Park came out almost 10 years before Hulk and they were leaps and bounds ahead of Hulk. 100% agree with you and EmmaMcG that Joel Schumacher was a horrible and his approach sucked. Val Kilmer was perfect for the role and could have done several more Batman movies if they were worth his time.

The one good thing about 'Batman Forever'....it was better than the following film, 'Batman on Ice"..... disbelief disbelief disbelief disbelief disbelief . WB nearly killed the franchise with that shitfest.

MMMMM wow that's a tough one to answer, I like Val Kilmer way better than George Clooney. Wow hate to say this but Arnold Schwarzenegger did a better job than Jim Carey and Tommy Lee Jones did, and Arnold Schwarzenegger was horrible in the movie. I just tell people skip these movies and watch Batman the Animated Series instead.

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Reply #20 posted 07/20/21 1:29pm

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Never understood the hate for batman forever.
Jim Carrey is hilarious.If you think he wasn't funny in anything other than "In loving color" then something is seriously wrong
How can you not laugh when viewing "Me myself and Irene" or one of the great comedies of all time "Dumb and dumber"?

He was a pretty good riddler. Supposedly Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones did not get along very well at all on set of batman forever.
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Reply #21 posted 07/20/21 3:45pm

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kpowers said:



EmmaMcG said:


uPtoWnNY said:



The main problem was The Ass known as Joel Schumacher. When I heard him say, "it's time Bruce Wayne got over the death of his parents" or wanting to make Batman "fun", I knew the movie was fucked. No understanding of the character and no respect for the source material (comics).



Ang Lee gets a lot of crap for his Hulk film, but many elements of that movie were lifted straight from the comics, particularly Incredible Hulk #312. I respexct him for doing that.



Wasn't Joel Schumacher brought in specifically to "lighten" things up after Tim Burton's Batman Returns frightened off potential promotional deals? The sight of all that black shit coming out of The Penguin's mouth doesn't do much for Happy Meal sales after all.

Why do I have this feeling if Tim Burton would have continue directing the Batman movies Johnny Depp would have been Batman and Helena Bonham Carter as the love intrest?????



I'm pretty sure he would have kept Michael Keaton but it's fun to think about an alternate Burton Batman movie with Johnny Depp as Batman, Helena Bonham Carter as Poison Ivy and Winona Ryder as a Burton-version Harley Quinn. Throw in Vincent Price as Alfred too because why not?
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Reply #22 posted 07/20/21 3:59pm

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kpowers said:



uPtoWnNY said:




kpowers said:



Well there was nothing wrong with the directing & the cast was good. What was bad about it was the story and the fault goes to James Schamus who wrote the story. Also blame the CGI staff for a horrible cheesy looking Hulk. Jurassic Park came out almost 10 years before Hulk and they were leaps and bounds ahead of Hulk. 100% agree with you and EmmaMcG that Joel Schumacher was a horrible and his approach sucked. Val Kilmer was perfect for the role and could have done several more Batman movies if they were worth his time.




The one good thing about 'Batman Forever'....it was better than the following film, 'Batman on Ice"..... disbelief disbelief disbelief disbelief disbelief . WB nearly killed the franchise with that shitfest.



MMMMM wow that's a tough one to answer, I like Val Kilmer way better than George Clooney. Wow hate to say this but Arnold Schwarzenegger did a better job than Jim Carey and Tommy Lee Jones did, and Arnold Schwarzenegger was horrible in the movie. I just tell people skip these movies and watch Batman the Animated Series instead.


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They're both awful but if I had to watch one, I'd choose Batman & Robin just because there's more to laugh at. Batman Forever is kind of sad. The only one that seemed to have taken it seriously (judging from interviews from that time) was Val Kilmer but it's clear that the movie they made was not the one he signed up for. B&R, on the other hand, seems like an effort was made to make it the worst superhero movie of all time. It's like they saw Superman IV: The Quest For Peace and thought "I bet we can make a worse movie" and then set out to do just that. Una Thurman's atrocious performance is worth the price of admission alone. Then you have Schwarzenegger going through the motions, clearly not giving a fuck. But as bas as the performances are and as bad as the script was, it's nothing compared to the rubber "ice" effects. When Mr Freeze shoots the batmobile with his ice gun and the batmobile drives away with what was supposed to be ice on it but instead is clearly rubber, bending and everything, you know you're in Plan 9 territory.
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Reply #23 posted 07/21/21 1:45am

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Never understood the hate for batman forever. Jim Carrey is hilarious.If you think he wasn't funny in anything other than "In loving color" then something is seriously wrong How can you not laugh when viewing "Me myself and Irene" or one of the great comedies of all time "Dumb and dumber"? He was a pretty good riddler. Supposedly Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones did not get along very well at all on set of batman forever.


There are people in this world that think or thought Jerry Lewis was funny, well sorry but that cringy stuff is not for me (he was good in King of Comedy tho) and that's the same I think of Jim Carey. Just different taste in comedy nothing more, nothing dramatic.
If you think he's funny then good for you enjoy it thumbs up! he has a big fan base but also a lot of people who don't think he's funny or like his lame slapstick humor. shrug

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Phase3 said:

Never understood the hate for batman forever. Jim Carrey is hilarious.If you think he wasn't funny in anything other than "In loving color" then something is seriously wrong How can you not laugh when viewing "Me myself and Irene" or one of the great comedies of all time "Dumb and dumber"? He was a pretty good riddler. Supposedly Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones did not get along very well at all on set of batman forever.

Because the Riddler is not suppose to be funny

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Reply #25 posted 07/21/21 2:47am

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EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

Why do I have this feeling if Tim Burton would have continue directing the Batman movies Johnny Depp would have been Batman and Helena Bonham Carter as the love intrest???????

I'm pretty sure he would have kept Michael Keaton but it's fun to think about an alternate Burton Batman movie with Johnny Depp as Batman, Helena Bonham Carter as Poison Ivy and Winona Ryder as a Burton-version Harley Quinn. Throw in Vincent Price as Alfred too because why not?

hmmm That sounds kinda interesting

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Reply #26 posted 07/21/21 3:29am

JorisE73

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said: I'm pretty sure he would have kept Michael Keaton but it's fun to think about an alternate Burton Batman movie with Johnny Depp as Batman, Helena Bonham Carter as Poison Ivy and Winona Ryder as a Burton-version Harley Quinn. Throw in Vincent Price as Alfred too because why not?

hmmm That sounds kinda interesting


Wasn't he with that (really hot) model back then who he put in every movie, she could have been a great Poison Ivy and I would have loved to see Depp go all creepy as a real riddler and throw in 90s Marie-Loise Parker as Harley Quinn.

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JorisE73 said:

kpowers said:

hmmm That sounds kinda interesting


Wasn't he with that (really hot) model back then who he put in every movie, she could have been a great Poison Ivy and I would have loved to see Depp go all creepy as a real riddler and throw in 90s Marie-Loise Parker as Harley Quinn.

Kate Moss??

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Reply #28 posted 07/21/21 12:59pm

Phase3

I always thought Kelly Preston could play a better poison ivy than una Thurman.
Especially going by her red hair look she had in "Jerry Maguire"
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I always thought Kelly Preston could play a better poison ivy than una Thurman.
Especially going by her red hair look she had in "Jerry Maguire"


Bill Cosby would be a better Poison Ivy than Uma Thurman.
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