kpowers said:

Margot said:

Are Super-Heroes a guy-thing?

Yes. Just like "Prince" and "Abba" are gay-things, Michael Jackson is a pedophile-thing and Hip-Hop is a black-thing

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

I think that is where DC projects are going now.

I think I read that WB want to have 4 DC movies per year, 2 cinema and 2 on HBO Max. The HBO releases will be for what they consider "risky" projects like Static Shock or pretty much any female-led movie. Things like Batman, Superman etc will be the ones to get cinema releases.

Is the CW goibg to stop doing DCTV shows or phase them out? I know Supergirl has one season left and there is a Clark and Lois series coming out. I stopped watching them because they all just are horrible and even the Flash is boring now.

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

Ask EmmaMcG that

And my daughter.

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

Is the CW goibg to stop doing DCTV shows or phase them out? I know Supergirl has one season left and there is a Clark and Lois series coming out. I stopped watching them because they all just are horrible and even the Flash is boring now.

Not that I know of. I don't have any interest in the CW shows. They all have a look of cheapness to them that just doesn't sit right with me. And it's a shame too because between DC and Marvel, I much prefer the DC characters but in terms of both movies and TV, Marvel's content has been so much better in recent years. And as a massive fan of Superman and Batman, that's a tough pill to swallow.

I was a bigger Marvel fan growing up...they had cooler characters (and more diversity). Superman & Batman became cool again in 1986, when DC revamped them with Frank Miller's 'Dark Knight Returns', and John Byrne's 'Man of Steel'.

Marvel set up their universe better, but I like the darkness of the DC films (Batman '89, Nolan trilogy, Man of Steel, BvS).

EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I was a bigger Marvel fan growing up...they had cooler characters (and more diversity). Superman & Batman became cool again in 1986, when DC revamped them with Frank Miller's 'Dark Knight Returns', and John Byrne's 'Man of Steel'.

Marvel set up their universe better, but I like the darkness of the DC films (Batman '89, Nolan trilogy, Man of Steel, BvS).

I like the Tim Burton Batman movies but I don't think Superman should ever be "dark". For some reason studios think that being dark and "edgy" is cool. It's not. That kind of thing can work for characters like Batman and Daredevil because that's part of who they are. But Superman and Spider-Man etc are different. Christopher Reeve is still (and will always be) the ultimate Superman to me. Plus, he's got the most recognisable theme tune of all heroes which, in my view, should be like the James Bond theme in that it appears in every movie whatever the actor. Same with Danny Elfman's Batman theme too.

Like someone else said on here I like the idea of a Batman horror movie through the eyes of his Rogues.

EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I was a bigger Marvel fan growing up...they had cooler characters (and more diversity). Superman & Batman became cool again in 1986, when DC revamped them with Frank Miller's 'Dark Knight Returns', and John Byrne's 'Man of Steel'.

Marvel set up their universe better, but I like the darkness of the DC films (Batman '89, Nolan trilogy, Man of Steel, BvS).

I like the Tim Burton Batman movies but I don't think Superman should ever be "dark". For some reason studios think that being dark and "edgy" is cool. It's not. That kind of thing can work for characters like Batman and Daredevil because that's part of who they are. But Superman and Spider-Man etc are different. Christopher Reeve is still (and will always be) the ultimate Superman to me. Plus, he's got the most recognisable theme tune of all heroes which, in my view, should be like the James Bond theme in that it appears in every movie whatever the actor. Same with Danny Elfman's Batman theme too.

The problem with Superman is, compared to Batman, he's a boring character. Man of Steel actually made him interesting. It's a true origin story - you see Clark/Kal-El going through things, slowly becomming Superman and deciding to become a beacon of hope. I loved the scenes of him discovering flight, and battling the Kryptonians.

I've read comments from some complaining about Supes killing Zod. Zod says hes going to make everyone on Earth suffer purely to spite Superman for siding with the humans. He's fanatical, murderous and driven by vengeance. There's no reasoning with him. Kal-El even tries up until the very last moment and Zod simply replies "never". Its an incredibly powerful moment. There was way more collateral damage in the Doomsday comic. Supes also killed Zod in main continuity at least twice that I know of, and he killed Zod in Superman 2.

MickyDolenz said:

"WHAT IF...?" the Hulk killed Wolverine was my favorite.

So far, the only Marvel project that interests me is Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. I was a big fan of Master of Kung-Fu comics back in the 70s.

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uPtoWnNY said:

uPtoWnNY said:

EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

The problem with Superman is, compared to Batman, he's a boring character. Man of Steel actually made him interesting. It's a true origin story - you see Clark/Kal-El going through things, slowly becomming Superman and deciding to become a beacon of hope. I loved the scenes of him discovering flight, and battling the Kryptonians.

I've read comments from some complaining about Supes killing Zod. Zod says hes going to make everyone on Earth suffer purely to spite Superman for siding with the humans. He's fanatical, murderous and driven by vengeance. There's no reasoning with him. Kal-El even tries up until the very last moment and Zod simply replies "never". Its an incredibly powerful moment. There was way more collateral damage in the Doomsday comic. Supes also killed Zod in main continuity at least twice that I know of, and he killed Zod in Superman 2.

I don't have any issues with Superman killing Zod. He presumably killed him in the Reeve movie too and in a much more brutal manner and that is still my favourite superhero movie of all time. Man Of Steel just didn't do it for me. Now I've read that Snyder initially planned a trilogy whereby Superman would gradually become closer to the "classic" version as he gets used to being the world's saviour but because WB insisted on rushing into their DCEU the proper Man of Steel sequel never came. So I can only judge it as it is. And it's ok but there's too much time spent on exploring his feelings. The Richard Donner movie has something of an origin story too but never felt like it was dragging on the way Man of Steel felt. Hopefully the Snyder cut of Justice League does well and they do a Man of Steel 2 so we may get a full appreciation of Cavill's version.

Emma is right and uPtoWny is wrong

EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

Smallville (the first 5 years) and Gotham were great. If it's a Greg Berlanti project it will suck and yes he's behind all the CW shows.

Yeah I liked most of Smallville and Gotham. But those Arrowverse shows just look terrible.

Constantine when it aired on NBC was a very good show. The most important part is the Greg Berlanti had no involvement with that series. All though it's good to see Matt Ryan reprise his role again as Constatine, Greg Berlanti ruined the character when he came to the CW.

kpowers said:

EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said: I don't have any issues with Superman killing Zod. He presumably killed him in the Reeve movie too and in a much more brutal manner and that is still my favourite superhero movie of all time. Man Of Steel just didn't do it for me. Now I've read that Snyder initially planned a trilogy whereby Superman would gradually become closer to the "classic" version as he gets used to being the world's saviour but because WB insisted on rushing into their DCEU the proper Man of Steel sequel never came. So I can only judge it as it is. And it's ok but there's too much time spent on exploring his feelings. The Richard Donner movie has something of an origin story too but never felt like it was dragging on the way Man of Steel felt. Hopefully the Snyder cut of Justice League does well and they do a Man of Steel 2 so we may get a full appreciation of Cavill's version.

Emma is right and uPtoWny is wrong

No, Emma has an opinion and I have an opinion

The next and final trailer for the Snyder cut JL movie will have a surprise moment. My guess it will be Michael Keaton as Batman.

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uPtoWnNY said:

kewlschool said:

kewlschool said:

The next and final trailer for the Snyder cut JL movie will have a surprise moment. My guess it will be Michael Keaton as Batman.

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Keaton will be in The Flash movie, I don;t think he'll be in Justice League.
Teh surprise moment will probably be Martian Manhunter or Green Lantern or something like that.

JoeTyler said:

I'm just loving the controversy surrounding WonderWoman84 (the random guy being possessed by Steve's spirit, and losing his life and becoming WW's sexual plaything, out of pure selfishness).

yeah people are uptight about everything these days, even fantasy comic book things.
I'm still waiting for Alien(s) to be cancelled by these idiots for facehuggers and the forced oral insemenation.

I think I saw a reference to "The Court of Owls" in The Batman trailer. That would be fucking awesome if they're in the movie.

uPtoWnNY said:

I think I saw a reference to "The Court of Owls" in The Batman trailer. That would be fucking awesome if they're in the movie.

I think they're the villains in the new arkham game

herb4 said:

EmmaMcG said:

kewlschool said:

The next and final trailer for the Snyder cut JL movie will have a surprise moment. My guess it will be Michael Keaton as Batman.

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If there's any "surprise" moment in the next trailer my guess is that it will be Jared Leto's Joker. Interestingly enough, both Jared Leto and Michael Keaton are in the upcoming Morbius movie. Leto is playing Morbius and Keaton is reprising his role from Spider-Man Homecoming. Tom Hardy is also appearing as Venom and JK Simmons is back as Jameson from the Spider-Man movies. I guess it's their way of tying the Sony movies in to the MCU. I also think it's strange that 2 years ago they announced that Maharshala Ali was going to be playing Blade and there's been nothing since. Giving him a cameo in Morbius would make sense, given that it's about a vampire. Plus it would be a good way of introducing the character to the wider MCU.

The joker is in the nightmare scene and wouldn't be a big surprise as Michael Keaton as Batman would. They are going to set up the multiverse in the JL movie (although, briefly) with flash.

JorisE73 said:

kewlschool said:

The next and final trailer for the Snyder cut JL movie will have a surprise moment. My guess it will be Michael Keaton as Batman.

[Edited 1/3/21 19:41pm]

Keaton will be in The Flash movie, I don;t think he'll be in Justice League.
Teh surprise moment will probably be Martian Manhunter or Green Lantern or something like that.

The Martian was in the original JL in human form and they showed a green lantern in the first JL.

Keaton is in the JL snyder cut as Batman and informs the viewers through Flash the beginnings of a multiverse.