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Thread started 01/24/21 12:38pm

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Anyone else over medicated?

I have a friend of mine who has been over medicated lately.He has been on medicine for a good 12 years.Medicines for sleep,anxiety,depression,almost anything you can think of.Currently he is on 12 different medicines.He will be be doing great with the medicines but then the doctor will either substitute the medicine or increase the dosage.
The medicines have bad side effects for him sometimes.
So far he has wrecked his vehicle while sleep walking taking a sleeping pill.He had no recollection of the wreck.
He also cant focus right.He will lose and misplace stuff.Lose his balance and he will fall in the middle of the night.
Throughout the day he is very exhausted and yawns constantly.Even when he gets a full night sleep he is still tired
I begged with him to get off the medicines and he says he cant just get off all of it at once because it will have a negative side effect.
Is that true?
I have anxiety issues too in public but because of my friends behavior sometimes,I refuse to take anything for it.
I have seen what all it can do
I really worry about the effects of pills.Even more so because it claimed a lot of lives.I lost my stepmom due to sleeping pills.Any advice is welcome
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Reply #1 posted 01/24/21 2:44pm

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Go see a doctor to get meds re-adjusted or changed. See another doctor for a 2nd opinion.

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Reply #2 posted 01/24/21 4:26pm

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Sorry to hear that, hope he can fix his regime and get a second opinion on what meds could work without being on too many of them. The car wrecking sounds really scary, it may be a wise decision to not drive that often or set limits of when to do it (eg. not to get behind the wheel after taking a certain med and planning around that)

Going cold turkey is not a good idea, it may result in psychosis. It’s clear he needs meds but a better combination than the current one. I went cold turkey on meds before and had to face a lot of consequences as a result, but tried a few more meds before I found a combination that works. Thankfully I’m not on sleeping pills, the ones I take sedate me anyways so maybe he needs something like that to take at night
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Reply #3 posted 01/24/21 6:17pm

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If he wanted off the meds, he would have to be withdrawn gradually under medical supervision,

otherwise he could have life-threatening seizures. He likely needs to research and find the best doctor he can to re-evaluate.

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Reply #4 posted 01/24/21 8:24pm

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PROBIOTICS can change a lot of that. Get natural ones, sold in a health food store that need to be refrigerated. Some have tons of probiotics in them and can really change you for the good.

For me, I've never had a prescription for anything in my adult life. Maybe needed something from time to time, but I just refuse to be part of big pharma that way. I get it, some people need it, benefit from it. I'm not judging that. Just stating my own conviction.

And if you want to come off drugs, def don't go cold turkey. Talk to your doctor about it, and if they want you to stay on it, find another doctor. There is more to life's solutions than another pill.

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Reply #5 posted 01/24/21 10:48pm

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The seriousness of the types of medications cannot be emphasized enough. Many pills used for sleep/anxiety etc are addictive and the body becomes accustomed to them which is why they can't be stopped cold turkey...seizures. He also likely should not be driving at all.

This person likely needs to be talking to a therapist regarding anxiety/sleep etc.

Why is a young person on 12 medications??

Good nutrition, daily exercise, talk therapy should be part of his/her life as well as gradual, supervised withdrawal of the unnecessary meds per an MD. He needs to get a second opinion by an MD who is well-respected.

I'm a bit rattled by this story as it seems dangerous on many levels

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Reply #8 posted 01/26/21 9:10am

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Is he taking Ambien for insomnia? It's a horrible drug that should be taken off the market.

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Reply #9 posted 01/26/21 9:11am

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PROBIOTICS can change a lot of that. Get natural ones, sold in a health food store that need to be refrigerated. Some have tons of probiotics in them and can really change you for the good.

For me, I've never had a prescription for anything in my adult life. Maybe needed something from time to time, but I just refuse to be part of big pharma that way. I get it, some people need it, benefit from it. I'm not judging that. Just stating my own conviction.

And if you want to come off drugs, def don't go cold turkey. Talk to your doctor about it, and if they want you to stay on it, find another doctor. There is more to life's solutions than another pill.


Probiotics aren't going to do squat for someone who is overusing (and probably addicted to) the kinds of medications being discussed here. Sorry to be so blunt - but it's true.

I do agree that the friend is going to need professional help getting off this stuff. I took a miniscule dose of fluoxetine (I'm talking 10 mg/day - which is barely a therapeutic dose, at all) for four years, and I still had to be weaned off. I had palpitations and felt like I was coming out of my skin for a good month. It's going to take a long time and be very difficult.

I don't know what sleeping pill he takes, but I had a couple frightening experiences with Ambien. Nothing as extreme as getting in a car and driving, but lapses in memory that were enough to convince me that my correct dosage was a quarter of what my doctor prescribed. (Seriously. Where most people take 5 mg or even 10 of that stuff, I cut a 5 mg tablet into four tiny pieces.)

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Reply #11 posted 01/26/21 10:47am

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Is he taking Ambien for insomnia? It's a horrible drug that should be taken off the market.


Yes ambien is one of his medications.
He is so medicated that some days he will not know what day it is and will start seeing people that aren't really here.
He will be like that for a day or 2 then he will be back to normal and have no memory of days before.
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Reply #12 posted 01/26/21 10:48am

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He talked to his doctor this morning and she is going to decrease his dosage on some and he gonna slowly lean him off of some medicines.
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Reply #13 posted 01/26/21 11:22am

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Here's the thing: the shorter acting a medication is (for example, Ambien has a half-life of three hours), the more potentially addictive it is. I hope that if your friend is on short-acting meds for anxiety and insomnia, his doctor not only tries to wean him off - but can maybe switch some to longer-acting alternatives.

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Reply #14 posted 01/26/21 5:02pm

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Here's the thing: the shorter acting a medication is (for example, Ambien has a half-life of three hours), the more potentially addictive it is. I hope that if your friend is on short-acting meds for anxiety and insomnia, his doctor not only tries to wean him off - but can maybe switch some to longer-acting alternatives.


I sure hope so as well
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Reply #15 posted 01/26/21 6:34pm

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Genesia said:



TrivialPursuit said:


PROBIOTICS can change a lot of that. Get natural ones, sold in a health food store that need to be refrigerated. Some have tons of probiotics in them and can really change you for the good.

For me, I've never had a prescription for anything in my adult life. Maybe needed something from time to time, but I just refuse to be part of big pharma that way. I get it, some people need it, benefit from it. I'm not judging that. Just stating my own conviction.

And if you want to come off drugs, def don't go cold turkey. Talk to your doctor about it, and if they want you to stay on it, find another doctor. There is more to life's solutions than another pill.




Probiotics aren't going to do squat for someone who is overusing (and probably addicted to) the kinds of medications being discussed here. Sorry to be so blunt - but it's true.

I do agree that the friend is going to need professional help getting off this stuff. I took a miniscule dose of fluoxetine (I'm talking 10 mg/day - which is barely a therapeutic dose, at all) for four years, and I still had to be weaned off. I had palpitations and felt like I was coming out of my skin for a good month. It's going to take a long time and be very difficult.

I don't know what sleeping pill he takes, but I had a couple frightening experiences with Ambien. Nothing as extreme as getting in a car and driving, but lapses in memory that were enough to convince me that my correct dosage was a quarter of what my doctor prescribed. (Seriously. Where most people take 5 mg or even 10 of that stuff, I cut a 5 mg tablet into four tiny pieces.)



I’m on prozac/fluoxetine as well, sorry to hear it didn’t work out
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Reply #16 posted 01/28/21 10:09am

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Go see a doctor to get meds re-adjusted or changed. See another doctor for a 2nd opinion.

doctors are the problem...theyve become nothing more than drug runners for the pharmaceutical companies...im pretty sure the friend's doctor is who got them hooked in the first place... they need a natural cleansing...lots of flouride free water...plenty of bananas and avocados and spinach... and isolation from stress anddistractions...there is no drug that can help you get off another drug... youre just asking for more problems like that.... everything that friends needs for help is already in his/her body or easily available at a health food store...its just gonna require ALOT of discipline and sacrifice...more doctors and more drugs will only exacerbate the problems

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Reply #17 posted 01/28/21 10:18pm

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RJOrion said:

luv4u said:

Go see a doctor to get meds re-adjusted or changed. See another doctor for a 2nd opinion.

doctors are the problem...theyve become nothing more than drug runners for the pharmaceutical companies...im pretty sure the friend's doctor is who got them hooked in the first place... they need a natural cleansing...lots of flouride free water...plenty of bananas and avocados and spinach... and isolation from stress anddistractions...there is no drug that can help you get off another drug... youre just asking for more problems like that.... everything that friends needs for help is already in his/her body or easily available at a health food store...its just gonna require ALOT of discipline and sacrifice...more doctors and more drugs will only exacerbate the problems

Some mental health issues have to be treated with medication, which should be non-addictive.

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Reply #18 posted 01/28/21 10:49pm

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Benzos (Xanax, Valium, Ativan, Klonipin etc) are often prescribed for anxiety, insomnia etc., are particularly addictive and difficult/dangerous to wean from.

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Reply #19 posted 01/29/21 7:04am

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Genesia said:


Probiotics aren't going to do squat for someone who is overusing (and probably addicted to) the kinds of medications being discussed here. Sorry to be so blunt - but it's true.

I do agree that the friend is going to need professional help getting off this stuff. I took a miniscule dose of fluoxetine (I'm talking 10 mg/day - which is barely a therapeutic dose, at all) for four years, and I still had to be weaned off. I had palpitations and felt like I was coming out of my skin for a good month. It's going to take a long time and be very difficult.

I don't know what sleeping pill he takes, but I had a couple frightening experiences with Ambien. Nothing as extreme as getting in a car and driving, but lapses in memory that were enough to convince me that my correct dosage was a quarter of what my doctor prescribed. (Seriously. Where most people take 5 mg or even 10 of that stuff, I cut a 5 mg tablet into four tiny pieces.)

I’m on prozac/fluoxetine as well, sorry to hear it didn’t work out


Oh, the medication worked fine. It was getting off that was the problem.

Of course, I had a reaction when I stopped taking Zyrtec (an antihistamine), too. I had a junkie itch that lasted a good month - even though I took only half of the standard dose. I may just be someone whose system amplifies or hangs onto medications.

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Reply #20 posted 01/29/21 7:18am

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Margot said:

Benzos (Xanax, Valium, Ativan, Klonipin etc) are often prescribed for anxiety, insomnia etc., are particularly addictive and difficult/dangerous to wean from.

and thats exactly (especially in the psychiatric field) how doctors create addicts and virtual zombies by KNOWINGLY prescribing medications that the patient cant capably function without...no different than a crack/cocaine/heroin/opiate dealer, except for the legality of the hustle... there have ALWAYS been natural and holistic remedies for whatever ails the human mind & body.... but at this point in history, almost everyone is brainwashed to trust a total stranger with their life and health, just because he has a nice office with plaques on the wall and he's wearing a nice white robe, and has a beautiful home and car (thanks to "sick" people)...no surprise that the Universal symbol (The Caduceus} for doctors, medicine, and pharmacies and hospitals, is two serpents wrapped around a winged staff... a dark ANCIENT symbol associated with Alchemy, Wisdom, Thieves, Trade, Liars and Eloquence

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Reply #21 posted 01/29/21 9:44am

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RJOrion said:

Margot said:

Benzos (Xanax, Valium, Ativan, Klonipin etc) are often prescribed for anxiety, insomnia etc., are particularly addictive and difficult/dangerous to wean from.

and thats exactly (especially in the psychiatric field) how doctors create addicts and virtual zombies by KNOWINGLY prescribing medications that the patient cant capably function without...no different than a crack/cocaine/heroin/opiate dealer, except for the legality of the hustle... there have ALWAYS been natural and holistic remedies for whatever ails the human mind & body.... but at this point in history, almost everyone is brainwashed to trust a total stranger with their life and health, just because he has a nice office with plaques on the wall and he's wearing a nice white robe, and has a beautiful home and car (thanks to "sick" people)...no surprise that the Universal symbol (The Caduceus} for doctors, medicine, and pharmacies and hospitals, is two serpents wrapped around a winged staff... a dark ANCIENT symbol associated with Alchemy, Wisdom, Thieves, Trade, Liars and Eloquence

There are some conditions that do require medication such as bi-polar, psychosis,

extreme trauma/PTSD.

But I agree that many just have difficulty w/the everyday ups and downs of life and want a pill.

Doctors and ER'S are besieged w/demands from patients who demand drugs for 'pain', 'nerves' etc.

This behavior swallows up an inordinant amount of an MD's time and sometimes they aquiesce just to get them out of the ofc/ER.

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Reply #22 posted 01/29/21 10:12am

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RJOrion said:




luv4u said:


Go see a doctor to get meds re-adjusted or changed. See another doctor for a 2nd opinion.






doctors are the problem...theyve become nothing more than drug runners for the pharmaceutical companies...im pretty sure the friend's doctor is who got them hooked in the first place... they need a natural cleansing...lots of flouride free water...plenty of bananas and avocados and spinach... and isolation from stress anddistractions...there is no drug that can help you get off another drug... youre just asking for more problems like that.... everything that friends needs for help is already in his/her body or easily available at a health food store...its just gonna require ALOT of discipline and sacrifice...more doctors and more drugs will only exacerbate the problems



Some mental health issues have to be treated with medication, which should be non-addictive.



Yeah exactly, it was very hard to function without meds but the ones I’m taking are helpful
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Reply #23 posted 01/29/21 3:01pm

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In the past couple of years, I found myself amassing more and more pill bottles on my nightstand.

I finally had a heart-to-heart with my (new) doctor & told him that I did NOT want to live popping 6 pills a day.

Eating right and exercise should allow me to remain off a few. The blood pressure and cholesterol pills will be reevaluated in a couple of months.

...and I refused a sleeping pill. My pre-bedtime routine had to change and I have been sleeping soundly for the most part.

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Reply #24 posted 01/29/21 3:39pm

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PurpleJedi said:

In the past couple of years, I found myself amassing more and more pill bottles on my nightstand.

I finally had a heart-to-heart with my (new) doctor & told him that I did NOT want to live popping 6 pills a day.

Eating right and exercise should allow me to remain off a few. The blood pressure and cholesterol pills will be reevaluated in a couple of months.

...and I refused a sleeping pill. My pre-bedtime routine had to change and I have been sleeping soundly for the most part.

I am guilty of late night screen time which can disrupt sleep

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RJOrion said:

luv4u said:

Go see a doctor to get meds re-adjusted or changed. See another doctor for a 2nd opinion.

doctors are the problem...theyve become nothing more than drug runners for the pharmaceutical companies...im pretty sure the friend's doctor is who got them hooked in the first place... they need a natural cleansing...lots of flouride free water...plenty of bananas and avocados and spinach... and isolation from stress anddistractions...there is no drug that can help you get off another drug... youre just asking for more problems like that.... everything that friends needs for help is already in his/her body or easily available at a health food store...its just gonna require ALOT of discipline and sacrifice...more doctors and more drugs will only exacerbate the problems


So are the drug companies

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Reply #26 posted 01/30/21 7:23pm

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If a crackhead was also a Prince fanatical....would they choose crack over a deluxe set??
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Reply #27 posted 01/30/21 8:38pm

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If a crackhead was also a Prince fanatical....would they choose crack over a deluxe set??

I would say yes because a crackhead probably couldn't afford a prince deluxe set because he/she blows their money on crack
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Yes for that too
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