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Reply #30 posted 09/17/20 12:13pm

EmmaMcG

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EmmaMcG said:


domainator2010 said:



No, I meant - people who became famous NOW-ish, how much longer are they going to remain famous? ie. now that the NET (such as Youtube, Facebook) is in full swing. 20 years back, the NET was just getting started....



Isn't it impossible to answer? Like, how can we say that Ariana Grande, for example, will still be around in 15-20 years? We won't know until that time. The questions you're asking are impossible to answer right now. But I think jaawwnn has come as close as anyone could to provide an adequate answer by using the previous generation's pop stars as examples. Also, the pop charts haven't changed all that much. The majority of popular music has always been bad. Sometimes people look back at the pop charts in the 80s and think of Michael Jackson, Prince, Springsteen etc and think that ALL music was of that quality. It wasn't. Most of it was shit. For every Prince there were 20 Jermaine Stewarts. Flash in the pan pop stars who are long since forgotten. It hasn't changed much. Some will be remembered. Most will not.

Jermaine Stewart - We Don't Have To Take Our Clothes Off GIF | Gfycat


I kinda liked his song whistling lurking



I don't mind that song either but he's a one hit wonder. I don't think many people people nowadays would remember his name. And artists like him were, and always have been, ten a penny.
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Reply #31 posted 09/17/20 2:57pm

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EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

Jermaine Stewart - We Don't Have To Take Our Clothes Off GIF | Gfycat

I kinda liked his song whistling lurking

I don't mind that song either but he's a one hit wonder. I don't think many people people nowadays would remember his name. And artists like him were, and always have been, ten a penny.

Well it is what it is. It's better to be a one hit wonder than a no hit wonder. Honestly I love one hit wonders (And yes it depends on where you live thses artist may have other hits in Europe, Canada, Australia, Uganda and so on). I think the 80's had some of the best one hit wonders and it really doesn't matter if people today don't know his name. 70's also had some good one hit wonders as well.

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Reply #32 posted 09/17/20 3:23pm

EmmaMcG

kpowers said:



EmmaMcG said:


kpowers said:


Jermaine Stewart - We Don't Have To Take Our Clothes Off GIF | Gfycat


I kinda liked his song whistling lurking



I don't mind that song either but he's a one hit wonder. I don't think many people people nowadays would remember his name. And artists like him were, and always have been, ten a penny.

Well it is what it is. It's better to be a one hit wonder than a no hit wonder. Honestly I love one hit wonders (And yes it depends on where you live thses artist may have other hits in Europe, Canada, Australia, Uganda and so on). I think the 80's had some of the best one hit wonders and it really doesn't matter if people today don't know his name. 70's also had some good one hit wonders as well.



Well my point was that nothing has changed in the music industry. The OP was asking if artists still have the longevity they used to and I'm making the point that nothing has changed. There are thousands of forgotten artists from the pre-internet days.
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Reply #33 posted 09/17/20 4:03pm

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EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:

Well it is what it is. It's better to be a one hit wonder than a no hit wonder. Honestly I love one hit wonders (And yes it depends on where you live thses artist may have other hits in Europe, Canada, Australia, Uganda and so on). I think the 80's had some of the best one hit wonders and it really doesn't matter if people today don't know his name. 70's also had some good one hit wonders as well.

Well my point was that nothing has changed in the music industry. The OP was asking if artists still have the longevity they used to and I'm making the point that nothing has changed. There are thousands of forgotten artists from the pre-internet days.

True there will always be one hit wonders.

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Reply #34 posted 09/22/20 6:26am

domainator2010

EmmaMcG said:

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And I'm very curious - how did you find these? Is there a way to type "GOOD music" into Google, and have it understand the word GOOD or something? lol

Well some of the artists I named are actually friends of mine but those that aren't, I found online. Some of them were recommendations from other orgers. I found some on YouTube. Quite a few good recommendations from Spotify too.


Well THAT'S pretty cool (them being your friends that is smile ) - but when you say you "found them online", what does that mean exactly? In short, was it from a machine (algorithm) or a human?

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Reply #35 posted 09/22/20 6:28am

domainator2010

Hey, talking of 1-hit wonders, anyone remember EMF and "Unbelievable"? smile

(Actually I shouldn't call em that, since I had one whole album and a CD single of stuff I used to love back then.... smile )

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Reply #36 posted 09/22/20 7:06am

EmmaMcG

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EmmaMcG said:


domainator2010 said:



And I'm very curious - how did you find these? Is there a way to type "GOOD music" into Google, and have it understand the word GOOD or something? lol



Well some of the artists I named are actually friends of mine but those that aren't, I found online. Some of them were recommendations from other orgers. I found some on YouTube. Quite a few good recommendations from Spotify too.


Well THAT'S pretty cool (them being your friends that is smile ) - but when you say you "found them online", what does that mean exactly? In short, was it from a machine (algorithm) or a human?



I literally explain it in the following two sentences lol
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Reply #37 posted 09/22/20 9:59am

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If you need help finding music by Donald Glover and Janelle Monae I'm not sure anyone on the org can help you.

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Reply #38 posted 09/22/20 10:56am

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MickyDolenz said:

There's also the case that hip hop is the #1 genre now. Unlike earlier music, rap songs really only fit the original artist. They don't get covered like Yesterday, Johnny B. Goode, I Heard It Through The Grapevine, or Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer. I've heard smooth jazz versions of rap hits and even versions by classical orchestras, but hip hop songs don't become standards. There's unlikely going to be a Rod Stewart Great American Hip Hop Rhymes Songbook. lol


You could also argue that Country is the #1 genre shrug

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Reply #39 posted 09/22/20 10:57am

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jaawwnn said:

If you need help finding music by Donald Glover and Janelle Monae I'm not sure anyone on the org can help you.


I've downloaded albums from both. lol Plus these two are multi-talented artists: perfromers, musician, actor, writer...






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Reply #40 posted 09/23/20 6:58am

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Come on, I like a lot of Ed Sheeran songs smile

Did you see that movie Yesterday?


I did. And I spent most of it asking, "Who the hell is Ed Sheeran?"

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
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Reply #41 posted 09/23/20 2:51pm

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Stars that have something to say face untimely deaths and 'accidents'.

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Reply #42 posted 09/23/20 4:44pm

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You could also argue that Country is the #1 genre shrug

Current country hits often have hip hop elements like trap beats or colabos with rappers. Who would have thought that Billy Ray Cyrus would have a big #1 pop hit in 2019? His daughter can't even do that now. razz There's the entire sub-genre "hick-hop", Cowboy Troy is probably the most known of these. Also hip hop is popular worldwide in many countries. I've heard rap in many languages, even in Bollywood movies. Country is primarily popular in the USA.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #43 posted 09/23/20 9:08pm

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If anything they've lasted longer than the stars of the past. Why the hell are some of these 1990s stars still around? If there had been style changes every five or ten years like there used to be, they would be history by now.

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #44 posted 09/23/20 9:13pm

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MickyDolenz said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

You could also argue that Country is the #1 genre shrug

Current country hits often have hip hop elements like trap beats or colabos with rappers. Who would have thought that Billy Ray Cyrus would have a big #1 pop hit in 2019? His daughter can't even do that now. razz There's the entire sub-genre "hick-hop", Cowboy Troy is probably the most known of these. Also hip hop is popular worldwide in many countries. I've heard rap in many languages, even in Bollywood movies. Country is primarily popular in the USA.

You've got that shit right. I've watched sexy Indians jack off on webcams from overseas that can't speak a word of English but they'll have that bullshit playing the background. It's an epidemic more widespread than the coranavirus. lol

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #45 posted 09/24/20 6:16am

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It doesn't seem most actors or artists(musicians) have longevity.

I think our times make it too easy for people. When people become 'celebs' by 'reality' shows just doing what we all do(overall) there is no real 'came thru the fire' substance

Yes there are stars who are very good, very crafted, but they tend to not be so known in broad sense.

A few are, but I'm just glad I was alive in the 70s and 80s...

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Reply #46 posted 09/24/20 9:52am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

It doesn't seem most actors or artists(musicians) have longevity.

I think having a long career is different than being a star. Singers like Solomon Burke, Bobby Rush, & Betty Lavette were never really big selling acts, but had decades long careers. Little Richard doesn't have all that many albums. He has remained famous his entire life, partly because he appeared on TV shows and commercials later on. Little Richard is mostly known for his late 1950s early music, not really for any of his records after that which are mostly out of print. I think being a radio star is pretty much something short lived anyway. It dries up for everybody, Top 40 has always been mainly focused on the teen & young adult audience. Like it wasn't grandmas screaming at The Beatles or Duran Duran or *NSYNC. Young people in general don't want to listen to their parents or grandparents music. They want artists of their own generation. The Grateful Dead only had 1 Top 40 hit single and I don't think any of their albums sold that much, but they were popular as a touring act. Same for Jimmy Buffett.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #47 posted 09/26/20 5:10pm

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I was just thinking about this today! I was born in 1961 so, a tad older than Brooke Shields and Jodie Foster and a tad younger then Marie Osmond and Valerie Bertinelli. We knew who the geriatric A listers from the past we’re. People nearly 60 years older then my. Katherine Hepburn, Bob Hope, Cary Grant, Jack Benny, George Burns, Phyllis Diller, Fred Astaire, etc. We could recognize them in a movie. People remained famous; fewer channels and Sunday was old 🍿 🎥 Classics day. I watched all the Bing Crosby and Humphrey Bogart movies. I don’t think Actors born from 1925 to 1960 are having the same shelf life.
There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin.
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Reply #48 posted 09/26/20 5:17pm

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MickyDolenz said:



OldFriends4Sale said:


It doesn't seem most actors or artists(musicians) have longevity.



I think having a long career is different than being a star. Singers like Solomon Burke, Bobby Rush, & Betty Lavette were never really big selling acts, but had decades long careers. Little Richard doesn't have all that many albums. He has remained famous his entire life, partly because he appeared on TV shows and commercials later on. Little Richard is mostly known for his late 1950s early music, not really for any of his records after that which are mostly out of print. I think being a radio star is pretty much something short lived anyway. It dries up for everybody, Top 40 has always been mainly focused on the teen & young adult audience. Like it wasn't grandmas screaming at The Beatles or Duran Duran or *NSYNC. Young people in general don't want to listen to their parents or grandparents music. They want artists of their own generation. The Grateful Dead only had 1 Top 40 hit single and I don't think any of their albums sold that much, but they were popular as a touring act. Same for Jimmy Buffett.


I knew who the Rat Pack was and Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis and Elvis. They were ALL before my time but I knew their sound.
There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin.
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Reply #49 posted 09/26/20 8:25pm

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Too many platforms along with too much demand on attention. It's about immediate gratification in entertainment. Not much reward as far as fame is concerned in developing mastery.
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


This moment is all there is...
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Reply #50 posted 09/27/20 6:09am

domainator2010

EmmaMcG said:

domainator2010 said:


Well THAT'S pretty cool (them being your friends that is smile ) - but when you say you "found them online", what does that mean exactly? In short, was it from a machine (algorithm) or a human?

I literally explain it in the following two sentences lol


Like, how? "found" on Youtube? I think YT's reco's are a combo of "human n machine", and Spotify's too - so which was it? (of course, you wouldn't *know*, which just....compounds the problem!!)

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Reply #51 posted 09/27/20 6:11am

domainator2010

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

Current country hits often have hip hop elements like trap beats or colabos with rappers. Who would have thought that Billy Ray Cyrus would have a big #1 pop hit in 2019? His daughter can't even do that now. razz There's the entire sub-genre "hick-hop", Cowboy Troy is probably the most known of these. Also hip hop is popular worldwide in many countries. I've heard rap in many languages, even in Bollywood movies. Country is primarily popular in the USA.

You've got that shit right. I've watched sexy Indians jack off on webcams from overseas that can't speak a word of English but they'll have that bullshit playing the background. It's an epidemic more widespread than the coranavirus. lol


Like, what the hell are you yapping about?

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Reply #52 posted 09/27/20 6:16am

EmmaMcG

domainator2010 said:



EmmaMcG said:


domainator2010 said:



Well THAT'S pretty cool (them being your friends that is smile ) - but when you say you "found them online", what does that mean exactly? In short, was it from a machine (algorithm) or a human?



I literally explain it in the following two sentences lol


Like, how? "found" on Youtube? I think YT's reco's are a combo of "human n machine", and Spotify's too - so which was it? (of course, you wouldn't *know*, which just....compounds the problem!!)



There was a specific YouTube channel I was subscribed to that used to promote new music from independent and small scale record labels. They even featured me on it a couple of times. Every month or so they would upload a top 50 new releases of that month. It wouldn't be the whole song, just 10 second long clips. But enough for you to get a feel for it. They'd have a different video for different genres. So they had funk, electro, rock, dance etc.
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Reply #53 posted 09/27/20 6:19am

domainator2010

EmmaMcG said:

domainator2010 said:


Like, how? "found" on Youtube? I think YT's reco's are a combo of "human n machine", and Spotify's too - so which was it? (of course, you wouldn't *know*, which just....compounds the problem!!)

There was a specific YouTube channel I was subscribed to that used to promote new music from independent and small scale record labels. They even featured me on it a couple of times. Every month or so they would upload a top 50 new releases of that month. It wouldn't be the whole song, just 10 second long clips. But enough for you to get a feel for it. They'd have a different video for different genres. So they had funk, electro, rock, dance etc.

AH!

NOW you're TALKING! smile A really cool thing you've talked about there - which channel was it? smile If it's not there any more, are there any others like it? smile

Hey - you got a vid of yourself on YT anywhere?

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Reply #54 posted 09/27/20 7:53am

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domainator2010 said:

Like, what the hell are you yapping about?

That's a typical Vainandy comment. lol He rarely posts on this site anymore but remains the same. Just know to never mention Whitney Houston or Anita Baker (or any hip hop other than Rappers Delight by Sugarhill Gang) when he's around. razz

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #55 posted 09/27/20 10:23am

EmmaMcG

domainator2010 said:



EmmaMcG said:


domainator2010 said:



Like, how? "found" on Youtube? I think YT's reco's are a combo of "human n machine", and Spotify's too - so which was it? (of course, you wouldn't *know*, which just....compounds the problem!!)



There was a specific YouTube channel I was subscribed to that used to promote new music from independent and small scale record labels. They even featured me on it a couple of times. Every month or so they would upload a top 50 new releases of that month. It wouldn't be the whole song, just 10 second long clips. But enough for you to get a feel for it. They'd have a different video for different genres. So they had funk, electro, rock, dance etc.

AH!

NOW you're TALKING! smile A really cool thing you've talked about there - which channel was it? smile If it's not there any more, are there any others like it? smile

Hey - you got a vid of yourself on YT anywhere?



I think it was something called New Vice City or something like that. They stopped uploading new videos about 3 years ago so I unsubscribed and haven't been able to find it since. I don't even know if I have the name right.
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Reply #56 posted 09/27/20 11:10am

domainator2010

EmmaMcG said:

domainator2010 said:

AH!

NOW you're TALKING! smile A really cool thing you've talked about there - which channel was it? smile If it's not there any more, are there any others like it? smile

Hey - you got a vid of yourself on YT anywhere?

I think it was something called New Vice City or something like that. They stopped uploading new videos about 3 years ago so I unsubscribed and haven't been able to find it since. I don't even know if I have the name right.

How'd you find it? The channel itself?

...and what about Your video? smile

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Reply #57 posted 09/27/20 3:04pm

EmmaMcG

domainator2010 said:



EmmaMcG said:


domainator2010 said:


AH!

NOW you're TALKING! smile A really cool thing you've talked about there - which channel was it? smile If it's not there any more, are there any others like it? smile

Hey - you got a vid of yourself on YT anywhere?



I think it was something called New Vice City or something like that. They stopped uploading new videos about 3 years ago so I unsubscribed and haven't been able to find it since. I don't even know if I have the name right.

How'd you find it? The channel itself?

...and what about Your video? smile



A friend of mine sent me a link to it because I was featured on it.

As far as I know, I've never had any videos on YouTube.
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Reply #58 posted 09/29/20 1:23am

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EmmaMcG said:

kpowers said:



EmmaMcG said:


domainator2010 said:



No, I meant - people who became famous NOW-ish, how much longer are they going to remain famous? ie. now that the NET (such as Youtube, Facebook) is in full swing. 20 years back, the NET was just getting started....



Isn't it impossible to answer? Like, how can we say that Ariana Grande, for example, will still be around in 15-20 years? We won't know until that time. The questions you're asking are impossible to answer right now. But I think jaawwnn has come as close as anyone could to provide an adequate answer by using the previous generation's pop stars as examples. Also, the pop charts haven't changed all that much. The majority of popular music has always been bad. Sometimes people look back at the pop charts in the 80s and think of Michael Jackson, Prince, Springsteen etc and think that ALL music was of that quality. It wasn't. Most of it was shit. For every Prince there were 20 Jermaine Stewarts. Flash in the pan pop stars who are long since forgotten. It hasn't changed much. Some will be remembered. Most will not.

Jermaine Stewart - We Don't Have To Take Our Clothes Off GIF | Gfycat


I kinda liked his song whistling lurking



I don't mind that song either but he's a one hit wonder. I don't think many people people nowadays would remember his name. And artists like him were, and always have been, ten a penny.


Actually Jermaine had a successful top 20 R&B hit in 1984 The Word Is Out
which some of us on the org used to dig better. Most pop fans think Cameo started with Word Up and Candy but they were stacking R&B hits since the late 70's.
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Reply #59 posted 09/29/20 1:26am

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If anything they've lasted longer than the stars of the past. Why the hell are some of these 1990s stars still around? If there had been style changes every five or ten years like there used to be, they would be history by now.





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