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Reply #30 posted 10/30/17 5:04pm

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Yes, but it wasn't always seen that way. Even these terms of what molestation and the 'philia's' mean didn't come into play until the 1980s. And depending on the country today the age limits and what not are different.

When you turn 14 you officially stop being a ‘child’ and become a ‘young person’. This means that you can be held criminally liable for breaking the law. You will generally be dealt with under the Youth Justice system.

Once you’re 14 your parents are allowed to leave you at home without supervision.

A 14yr old can hold a job, have sex,

But technically 14 isn't a 'child'. They are teenagers. At that age throught most of humanities history 14 was that age a female could marry and bare children. 14yr old sat on thrones and ruled with advisors.

The age of consent is the age at which a person can legally consent to have sexual intercourse.[1] This is also the minimum age of the other person legally permitted to engage in sexual activity. Having sex with a person who is younger than the age of consent (but who agrees to have sex) is called statutory rape. The person below the minimum age is regarded as a victim, and their sex partner as the offender. Different countries have different laws regarding the age of consent. Some are as low as 12 or as high as 21.[2] Most countries have ages set between 13 and 16. But worldwide, the average age of consent is 16 years of age

PennyPurple said:

My bad. The age of 14 is still a child.

As child sexual abuse is not automatically an indicator that its perpetrator is a pedophile, offenders can be separated into two types: pedophilic and non-pedophilic (or preferential and situational).

OldFriends4Sale said:

It isn't a pedophile. Pedophilia is connected to 13yrs and younger

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12, criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13. A person who is diagnosed with pedophilia must be at least 16 years old, and at least five years older than the prepubescent child, for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilia

Reply was to SuperFurryAnimal post the Kevin 'molested' him.

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Reply #31 posted 10/30/17 5:06pm

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Anthony also talked aboiut this in a 2001 ADVOCATE magazine, he just didn't name Kevin

PennyPurple said:

My bad. The age of 14 is still a child. And also to add, it was your post #7 that was replying to Emma, that I was referring to.

As child sexual abuse is not automatically an indicator that its perpetrator is a pedophile, offenders can be separated into two types: pedophilic and non-pedophilic (or preferential and situational).

OldFriends4Sale said:

It isn't a pedophile. Pedophilia is connected to 13yrs and younger

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12, criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13. A person who is diagnosed with pedophilia must be at least 16 years old, and at least five years older than the prepubescent child, for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilia

Reply was to SuperFurryAnimal post the Kevin 'molested' him.

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Reply #32 posted 10/30/17 6:18pm

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sexton said:

Dasein said:

He's truly fucked.


It's begun. House of Cards has been canceled by Netflix after season 6.

The wors part about all this, thanks Anthony Rapp or whatever the fuck is his name. Come on, he is not predator just because of this, he was heavily drunk. We all do stupid things when we are drunk like killin people, so calling him a paedophile is unfair and over the top.

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Reply #33 posted 10/30/17 6:23pm

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PennyPurple said:

My bad. The age of 14 is still a child. And also to add, it was your post #7 that was replying to Emma, that I was referring to.

As child sexual abuse is not automatically an indicator that its perpetrator is a pedophile, offenders can be separated into two types: pedophilic and non-pedophilic (or preferential and situational).

OldFriends4Sale said:

It isn't a pedophile. Pedophilia is connected to 13yrs and younger

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12, criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13. A person who is diagnosed with pedophilia must be at least 16 years old, and at least five years older than the prepubescent child, for the attraction to be diagnosed as pedophilia

Reply was to SuperFurryAnimal post the Kevin 'molested' him.

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14 yo is not a child please.

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Reply #34 posted 10/30/17 6:33pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

Why is a 46 year old man revealing this now?

Why do you think?

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Reply #35 posted 10/30/17 6:36pm

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sexton said:

Dasein said:

He's truly fucked.


It's begun. House of Cards has been canceled by Netflix after season 6.

That was a great show. confused

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Reply #36 posted 10/30/17 6:51pm

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214 said:

PennyPurple said:

My bad. The age of 14 is still a child. And also to add, it was your post #7 that was replying to Emma, that I was referring to.

As child sexual abuse is not automatically an indicator that its perpetrator is a pedophile, offenders can be separated into two types: pedophilic and non-pedophilic (or preferential and situational).

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14 yo is not a child please.

14 yrs old is not an adult that's for damn sure. And to have someone twice his age on top of him, c'mon. Drunk or no drunk. I've been drunk and I haven't hopped on any kids. That's just sickening.

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Reply #37 posted 10/30/17 7:16pm

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This story makes me sick in my gut. I've ranted on social media, but I promise I will try to keep my comments here brief*.

First, in a case of molestation or abuse allegation, you always take the side of the victim until it's either proven to be true or proven to be a lie. You find out the truth one way or the other. But you always, for the moment, side with the victim. That's a part of history you don't wanna be on the wrong side of when it's over.

Second, Spacey - gay. DUH. We've known that for decades.

Third, BEING GAY HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING A SEXUAL PREDATOR. They are mutually exclusive and are wholly unrelated. I've fought this shit, as a gay man, for years with people automatically assuming I'm out to fuck children because I happen to like dick. How people automatically put those two things together only shows a couple of things: a) they're stupid; and b) they're a homophobe.

Fourth, Kevin throwing his little coming out party does nothing but detract from the allegation that a then-28-year-old drunk man carried a 14-year-old boy to his bedroom and laid on top of him, attempting to go much further. Spacey didn't lay on Rapp to keep him warm on a chilly night. He laid on him trying to get laid. Period. Thank God it did not go further than it did. But no grown man should be laying on a child in bed in a sexual (or any) manner.

This has really upset me today. Shame on Kevin for being a predator on a child. I don't necessarily believe he's that way today. (I don't know.) He's grown and probably in a relationship, and I would guess has no real inclinations to fuck children. (But he might.) The incident happened according to Rapp (or we have to assume it did until we know different). They need to hash it out between them, and people need to stop lumping predators in with the LGBTQA community. There is no P in LGBTQA.

*I wasn't brief. No fucks given.


yeahthat well said! clapping

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Reply #38 posted 10/30/17 7:30pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

sexton said:


It's begun. House of Cards has been canceled by Netflix after season 6.

That was a great show. confused

Great one. I don't know why Netflix has to cancelled the show. I mean, what does have to do with anything?

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Reply #39 posted 10/30/17 7:38pm

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PennyPurple said:

214 said:

14 yo is not a child please.

14 yrs old is not an adult that's for damn sure. And to have someone twice his age on top of him, c'mon. Drunk or no drunk. I've been drunk and I haven't hopped on any kids. That's just sickening.

PennyPurple

think of this stuff as 'evolution'

not long ago a 14 yr old could be married to a 27yr old and have a family.

You know how people assumed women(or better yet wives) outlived their husbands? It wasn't because nature took men out quicker. It was because the men tended to be older.
It is still that way to some degrees. Men 5-10yrs older than their wives is still regular.

At one time the legal drinking age was 16 in some place, And some states still have the legal drinking age under 21. In Canada I belive it is 18.17 you can fight in a war, people still consider even 17yr old kids.

Unless Kevin has a history of this, labelling him a child abuser, child molester, pedophile etc is wrong

Until we get a full story he shouldn't be crucified for this. Especially since nothing actually happened and he did not force anything.

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Reply #40 posted 10/30/17 7:40pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

14 yrs old is not an adult that's for damn sure. And to have someone twice his age on top of him, c'mon. Drunk or no drunk. I've been drunk and I haven't hopped on any kids. That's just sickening.

PennyPurple

think of this stuff as 'evolution'

not long ago a 14 yr old could be married to a 27yr old and have a family.

You know how people assumed women(or better yet wives) outlived their husbands? It wasn't because nature took men out quicker. It was because the men tended to be older.
It is still that way to some degrees. Men 5-10yrs older than their wives is still regular.

At one time the legal drinking age was 16 in some place, And some states still have the legal drinking age under 21. In Canada I belive it is 18.17 you can fight in a war, people still consider even 17yr old kids.

Unless Kevin has a history of this, labelling him a child abuser, child molester, pedophile etc is wrong

Until we get a full story he shouldn't be crucified for this. Especially since nothing actually happened and he did not force anything.

Damn right. And some people are quick to say Rapp might have some trauma, give me a break.

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Reply #41 posted 10/30/17 7:41pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

Why is a 46 year old man revealing this now?

That is the question.

I just read he talked about this in 2001 in an Advocate magazine interview.

And he told countless people not long after it happened, including his brother.

From reading what he's said he did not seem like he was afraid to talk about this before.

If Spacey never made it big, would this come up?

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Reply #42 posted 10/30/17 7:48pm

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214 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

That was a great show. confused

Great one. I don't know why Netflix has to cancelled the show. I mean, what does have to do with anything?


http://www.cbc.ca/news/en...-1.4379521

The show will end its run after an upcoming sixth season, the streaming service said.



Though the decision to end the series was announced on Monday, the decision to end the series was made several months ago, according to a person with knowledge of the situation who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the decision.

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Reply #43 posted 10/30/17 10:21pm

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Reply #44 posted 10/30/17 11:02pm

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The lower age of consent in other countries shouldn't be used as defense for stauatory rape in your own country. This wasn't even statuatory rape, it's attempted rape of a minor. This doesn't mean he's attracted to little boys, teens have physical characteristics very similar to adults 18-24. He just made a very bad mistake that has now ended his career and social life. If they haven't already filmed the final season of House of Cards they will have to write him out of the show.

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Reply #45 posted 10/31/17 12:31am

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PennyPurple said:



EmmaMcG said:


OldFriends4Sale said:




Right, but even Anthony said, he had no supervision by his mother and ended up at and adult party.
Is it possible that people(Kevin) did not know his age?


Also since nothing really happened, it could be easy to forget being turned down.



I'd say that's most likely what happened. I think it's very unfair and irresponsible of the media to portray Kevin Spacey as some sort of paedophile before knowing the full story. Then again, it will help sell a few more newspapers or get some more clicks so I don't see them stopping now.

C'mon, the kid was 14. That is a pedophile. It's not something the media is making up. The media is reporting on the story.



OldFriends, what do you mean nothing actually happened? Penetration may not have happened, but the kid was sexually assualted.



To label someone as a paedophile without actually knowing the full story is very irresponsible. I'm not saying that the media is making it up but they're definitely not waiting for proof before they label him a monster. He may not have actually done anything but his reputation and career is already damaged by the allegations.
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Reply #46 posted 10/31/17 4:42am

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The lower age of consent in other countries shouldn't be used as defense for stauatory rape in your own country. This wasn't even statuatory rape, it's attempted rape of a minor. This doesn't mean he's attracted to little boys, teens have physical characteristics very similar to adults 18-24. He just made a very bad mistake that has now ended his career and social life. If they haven't already filmed the final season of House of Cards they will have to write him out of the show.

Agree. There is nothing in it for Rapp coming forward now EXCEPT that he is obviously still upset about what Kevin Spacey did to him. Spacey has never dealt with doing this, his answer said it all. Uninvolved people saying it was no big deal is typical blame the victim shtick.

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Reply #47 posted 10/31/17 5:11am

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poppys said:

Hudson said:

The lower age of consent in other countries shouldn't be used as defense for stauatory rape in your own country. This wasn't even statuatory rape, it's attempted rape of a minor. This doesn't mean he's attracted to little boys, teens have physical characteristics very similar to adults 18-24. He just made a very bad mistake that has now ended his career and social life. If they haven't already filmed the final season of House of Cards they will have to write him out of the show.

Agree. There is nothing in it for Rapp coming forward now EXCEPT that he is obviously still upset about what Kevin Spacey did to him. Spacey has never dealt with doing this, his answer said it all. Uninvolved people saying it was no big deal is typical blame the victim shtick.

People have reason beyond the black n white in these situations.
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Why now in this way. When he has talked about it to friends coworkers and family not long after it happened. Not to mention he talked about it in the Advocate 2001.

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Maybe he his upset that this man he felt was still in the closet shouldn't be recognized and famous as he is, and he(Anthony) isn't.

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Reply #48 posted 10/31/17 5:25am

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So now it's career jealousy? I've read your many posts and do not share your opinions.

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Reply #49 posted 10/31/17 5:56am

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poppys said:

So now it's career jealousy? I've read your many posts and do not share your opinions.

rolleyes

you just proved how easily it is for someone to react with other motivations

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when you know all the facts you get back to us

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Have you ever heard of the salem witch trials?

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Reply #50 posted 10/31/17 8:50am

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214 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple

think of this stuff as 'evolution'

not long ago a 14 yr old could be married to a 27yr old and have a family.

You know how people assumed women(or better yet wives) outlived their husbands? It wasn't because nature took men out quicker. It was because the men tended to be older.
It is still that way to some degrees. Men 5-10yrs older than their wives is still regular.

At one time the legal drinking age was 16 in some place, And some states still have the legal drinking age under 21. In Canada I belive it is 18.17 you can fight in a war, people still consider even 17yr old kids.

Unless Kevin has a history of this, labelling him a child abuser, child molester, pedophile etc is wrong

Until we get a full story he shouldn't be crucified for this. Especially since nothing actually happened and he did not force anything.

Damn right. And some people are quick to say Rapp might have some trauma, give me a break.

He said kevin picked him up and laid on top of him...Doesnt sound like any actual relations went on but I can see how that would scare a teen being he was 26

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Reply #51 posted 10/31/17 11:22am

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paisleypark4 said:

214 said:

Damn right. And some people are quick to say Rapp might have some trauma, give me a break.

He said kevin picked him up and laid on top of him...Doesnt sound like any actual relations went on but I can see how that would scare a teen being he was 26

look at how the OP titled the thread: Kevin Spacey LATEST sexual assault

like sexual assault is a regular thing for Kevin

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Reply #52 posted 10/31/17 12:28pm

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entertainment industry has always been a rest haven for deviants and perverts...its pretty much a requirement, if you want any financial success

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Reply #53 posted 10/31/17 1:30pm

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14 ...26

Maybe Mr. Spacey was just trying to compare crater faces??

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Reply #54 posted 10/31/17 3:04pm

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EXCLUSIVE: Filming on the upcoming sixth and final season of Netflix’s Washington D.C.-set drama House Of Cards has been suspended indefinitely. Cast and crew of the MRC-produced series were told of the decision this morning.

The Emmy-nominated House of Cards had been in production in Baltimore, Maryland on its sixth season. Executives from Netflix and MRC arrived in Baltimore yesterday “to meet with our cast and crew to ensure that they continue to feel safe and supported” following the allegations against Spacey who had not been scheduled to be on set yesterday.

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Reply #55 posted 10/31/17 3:16pm

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Now it's Andy Dick

Actor and comedian Andy Dick has been fired from his role in the film Raising Buchanan following claims of sexual harassment and misconduct on set, he confirmed in an interview to The Hollywood Reporter Monday.

According to THR, Dick, 51, was accused of "groping people’s genitals, unwanted kissing/licking and sexual propositions of at least four members of the production."

In an interview with the outlet, however, Dick denied groping anyone.

"I don't grope people anymore. I don't expose myself anymore," he told The Hollywood Reporter by telephone. "I do understand that the temperature in the world right now is delicate."

"I didn't grope anybody. I might have kissed somebody on the cheek to say goodbye and then licked them. That's my thing," he continued. "It's me being funny. I'm not trying to sexually harass people."

In the interview, Dick, who is known for his often controversial comedy and behavior, also admitted to claims that he propositioned people.

"Of course I'm going to proposition people," he said. "I'm single, depressed, lonely and trying to get a date. They can just say no, and they probably did and then I was done."

https://www.usatoday.com/...817313001/

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Reply #56 posted 10/31/17 3:25pm

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paisleypark4 said:

214 said:

Damn right. And some people are quick to say Rapp might have some trauma, give me a break.

He said kevin picked him up and laid on top of him...Doesnt sound like any actual relations went on but I can see how that would scare a teen being he was 26

I don't buy it, not after one of my favorite shows has been cancelled indefinitely because of him.

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Reply #57 posted 10/31/17 3:26pm

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EmmaMcG said:

PennyPurple said:

C'mon, the kid was 14. That is a pedophile. It's not something the media is making up. The media is reporting on the story.


OldFriends, what do you mean nothing actually happened? Penetration may not have happened, but the kid was sexually assualted.

To label someone as a paedophile without actually knowing the full story is very irresponsible. I'm not saying that the media is making it up but they're definitely not waiting for proof before they label him a monster. He may not have actually done anything but his reputation and career is already damaged by the allegations.

Exactly.

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Reply #58 posted 10/31/17 3:26pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

paisleypark4 said:

He said kevin picked him up and laid on top of him...Doesnt sound like any actual relations went on but I can see how that would scare a teen being he was 26

look at how the OP titled the thread: Kevin Spacey LATEST sexual assault

like sexual assault is a regular thing for Kevin

Once again, damn right.

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Reply #59 posted 10/31/17 3:28pm

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214 said:

paisleypark4 said:

He said kevin picked him up and laid on top of him...Doesnt sound like any actual relations went on but I can see how that would scare a teen being he was 26

I don't buy it, not after one of my favorite shows has been cancelled indefinitely because of him.

They were said to have had a meeting with the cast to see if they felt safe filming with Spacey...I guess some of them didn't, thus is why they've stopped filming. And you can blame your hero Spacey for that.

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