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Reply #30 posted 07/29/16 7:49pm

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JustErin said:

NinaB said:


Oh, I see, that can be tricky. Sometimes my friendliness/down 2 earthness gets read as flirting
eek & a man has 2 make it plain 2 me he likes me too.


Yeah, it is tricky.

I just reread everything I wrote. I'm all over the place. Its dumb.

I need to just let it go even though my curiousity is driving me nuts.

Plus, I accidentally/purposely forgot to mention he is not available.

But still tension is bitter/sweet for sure.

Yeah, don't listen 2 my evil twin! lol she don't show up much but she's trouble still lol
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Reply #31 posted 07/29/16 7:51pm

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NinaB said:

JustErin said:



Yeah, it is tricky.

I just reread everything I wrote. I'm all over the place. Its dumb.

I need to just let it go even though my curiousity is driving me nuts.

Plus, I accidentally/purposely forgot to mention he is not available.

But still tension is bitter/sweet for sure.

Yeah, don't listen 2 my evil twin! lol she don't show up much but she's trouble still lol


:lol:

We all have an evil twin in there...just need to supress them!
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Reply #32 posted 07/29/16 7:55pm

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JustErin said:

NinaB said:


Yeah, don't listen 2 my evil twin! lol she don't show up much but she's trouble still lol


:lol:

We all have an evil twin in there...just need to supress them!

Or not evillol
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Reply #33 posted 07/29/16 8:18pm

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NinaB said:

JustErin said:



:lol:

We all have an evil twin in there...just need to supress them!

Or not evillol


I'm gonna be a good girl for once and be tempted but do or say nothing.

Ugh.
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Reply #34 posted 07/29/16 8:51pm

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"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #35 posted 07/29/16 11:47pm

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JustErin said:

NinaB said:


Oh, I see, that can be tricky. Sometimes my friendliness/down 2 earthness gets read as flirting
eek & a man has 2 make it plain 2 me he likes me too.


Yeah, it is tricky.

I just reread everything I wrote. I'm all over the place. Its dumb.

I need to just let it go even though my curiousity is driving me nuts.

Plus, I accidentally/purposely forgot to mention he is not available.

But still tension is bitter/sweet for sure.



If he's with someone else, then you are probably better off not going for it and just living with the tension. Even if he does like you too, situations like that can get messy. I speak from experience... As soon as his relationship is over though, I'd make my move. What's the worst that could happen? This guy will probably think all his Christmases and birthdays have come together when you let him know you're interested. You're very attractive and from what I can make out you're a good person so why wouldn't he be interested?
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Reply #36 posted 07/30/16 4:44am

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I'm thinking it's a coworker. If so, been there and yeah it's a really shitty situation to be in. It's like putting a slice of pizza in front of my face and not being able to take a bite.
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Reply #37 posted 07/30/16 9:09am

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EmmaMcG said:

JustErin said:



Yeah, it is tricky.

I just reread everything I wrote. I'm all over the place. Its dumb.

I need to just let it go even though my curiousity is driving me nuts.

Plus, I accidentally/purposely forgot to mention he is not available.

But still tension is bitter/sweet for sure.



If he's with someone else, then you are probably better off not going for it and just living with the tension. Even if he does like you too, situations like that can get messy. I speak from experience... As soon as his relationship is over though, I'd make my move. What's the worst that could happen? This guy will probably think all his Christmases and birthdays have come together when you let him know you're interested. You're very attractive and from what I can make out you're a good person so why wouldn't he be interested?


His relationship won't end and I don't want it to. I'm honestly not looking for that to happen. I'm obviously just feeling a bit confused because I've never gotten fairly close to a male (safe one that I didn't find attractive) where I did not eventually hook up with them. It's not typical for me to even regularly be around an unavailable guy that I feel attracted to.

So that is where this awareness of temptation and tension came from. I'm just not used to it. I'm used to just acting on everything. I like it but I hate it at the same time.
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Reply #38 posted 07/30/16 9:24am

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I'm thinking it's a coworker. If so, been there and yeah it's a really shitty situation to be in. It's like putting a slice of pizza in front of my face and not being able to take a bite.


Yeah, of course it's a co worker so it's not possible to stay fully away. People are already talking about us. He has told me about rude comments from some of the other guys there and if we are together there is usually a look or comment made. That doesn't bother me really because nothing is happening. Actually there are other co-workers having sex on the not so down low. LOL.

Its now painfully obvious that this thread is a desperate attempt to actually talk about this because I certainly can't just bring it up to people I know. Its been eating me up inside.
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Reply #39 posted 07/30/16 11:39am

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Is it affecting your job performance? When I was in your situation I could not for the life of me concentrate on what she was saying, because I constantly was fantasizing about her ... and the clothing she wore didn't help. lol

If it's not impacting your job performance, then enjoy it.

Think of it this way, you're spending presumably 40 hours a week with somebody you're really into. People who date tend to be together what, 15-20 hours a week tops? I'd take the 40 office hours over the 20 dating hours, especially because it makes work a lot more enjoyable and the workday flies by a lot faster.

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Reply #40 posted 07/30/16 12:34pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

Is it affecting your job performance? When I was in your situation I could not for the life of me concentrate on what she was saying, because I constantly was fantasizing about her ... and the clothing she wore didn't help. lol

If it's not impacting your job performance, then enjoy it.

Think of it this way, you're spending presumably 40 hours a week with somebody you're really into. People who date tend to be together what, 15-20 hours a week tops? I'd take the 40 office hours over the 20 dating hours, especially because it makes work a lot more enjoyable and the workday flies by a lot faster.



Not really affecting my work BUT if I do have to go see him for something I tend to not realize that I've just spent like an hour with him. When this happens I make sure to make up for lost time. The thing is it's happening more and more lately. I can't seem to help it. I say to myself, ok today I'm staying at my desk all day...but you know...

We have joked saying we should just stay away from each other but there is always a reason to meet up, then we start to talk and oops I've been missing for way too long.

To be fair he does get along with everyone and everyone does really like him - especially the women. I think he just loves to be around women in general and believe it or not does not ever give off a creepy dude vibe.

But being a tyical female I want to know if it's at least different with me since we do spend the most time together and have talked about some pretty personal issues. I don't really want anything to happen between us I just want to know if it could.

You can't really just flat out ask "hey, are you sexually attracted to me?"
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Reply #41 posted 07/30/16 3:19pm

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JustErin said:

Pokeno4Money said:

Is it affecting your job performance? When I was in your situation I could not for the life of me concentrate on what she was saying, because I constantly was fantasizing about her ... and the clothing she wore didn't help. lol

If it's not impacting your job performance, then enjoy it.

Think of it this way, you're spending presumably 40 hours a week with somebody you're really into. People who date tend to be together what, 15-20 hours a week tops? I'd take the 40 office hours over the 20 dating hours, especially because it makes work a lot more enjoyable and the workday flies by a lot faster.



Not really affecting my work BUT if I do have to go see him for something I tend to not realize that I've just spent like an hour with him. When this happens I make sure to make up for lost time. The thing is it's happening more and more lately. I can't seem to help it. I say to myself, ok today I'm staying at my desk all day...but you know...

We have joked saying we should just stay away from each other but there is always a reason to meet up, then we start to talk and oops I've been missing for way too long.

To be fair he does get along with everyone and everyone does really like him - especially the women. I think he just loves to be around women in general and believe it or not does not ever give off a creepy dude vibe.

But being a tyical female I want to know if it's at least different with me since we do spend the most time together and have talked about some pretty personal issues. I don't really want anything to happen between us I just want to know if it could.

You can't really just flat out ask "hey, are you sexually attracted to me?"



I've done that. If I didn't ask, I wouldn't know, right? I felt a bit stupid afterwards but the way I did it meant they didn't know the real reason I asked. What you could do (which is what I did) is talk to him about another guy. It doesn't have to be a real guy, just make someone up. But tell him that you're not sure if this other guy is into you and ask his opinion on whether he finds you attractive enough that this other, made up, guy would be interested. His response should give you an idea of whether he likes you or not.
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Reply #42 posted 07/30/16 4:11pm

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JustErin said:

Not really affecting my work BUT if I do have to go see him for something I tend to not realize that I've just spent like an hour with him. When this happens I make sure to make up for lost time. The thing is it's happening more and more lately. I can't seem to help it. I say to myself, ok today I'm staying at my desk all day...but you know... We have joked saying we should just stay away from each other but there is always a reason to meet up, then we start to talk and oops I've been missing for way too long. To be fair he does get along with everyone and everyone does really like him - especially the women. I think he just loves to be around women in general and believe it or not does not ever give off a creepy dude vibe. But being a tyical female I want to know if it's at least different with me since we do spend the most time together and have talked about some pretty personal issues. I don't really want anything to happen between us I just want to know if it could. You can't really just flat out ask "hey, are you sexually attracted to me?"


I totally get what you're saying, it's no different than when a guy gets a really friendly/flirty server at a restaurant ... is she that friendly/flirty with all the male customers, or does she have a genuine interest in just you.

Two things that have honest to God worked for me in the past with flirtatious coworkers:

1) The best way to really get to know ANY coworker is to see what they're like outside of work. That's when their true personalities and thoughts come out, in a non-work environment. What you could do is organize an informal gathering of coworkers for drinks after work at a nearby establishment. You could make up an excuse for it like somebody's birthday or an upcoming holiday or whatever, but a specific reason for the gathering is not necessary. When people drink, their true feelings tend to come out. And if he's truly interested, you and him will be the last two at the establishment after everyone else leaves. If he's one of the first to leave after just one or two drinks, or if he doesn't give a valid reason for not going at all, then there's your answer.

2) You want to know if he's into you without putting the question out there? Simple, just talk to him about how hard it is to find a guy that's funny, intelligent, fun etc ... and then say something like "Do you have an identical twin brother somewhere that's available?" and smile/laugh when you say it. It's the perfect line, it really is!! Because it tells him that you would be attracted to someone just like him, but you're not putting yourself out there by expressing an interest in him specifically. His reaction and response will give you the answers you are seeking.



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Reply #43 posted 07/30/16 4:57pm

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Oh. Oh, God. No. neutral

Some friends and I were very recently mocking the universal and transparent "someone like you" line recently. Maybe I am just extraordinarily cynical, and so are my friends. Trust that it absolutely indicates interest in that individual. If transparency is your goal and you want to go about it that way, go for it, but yeah, I think it is pretty transparent.
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Reply #44 posted 07/30/16 5:06pm

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EmmaMcG said:

JustErin said:



Not really affecting my work BUT if I do have to go see him for something I tend to not realize that I've just spent like an hour with him. When this happens I make sure to make up for lost time. The thing is it's happening more and more lately. I can't seem to help it. I say to myself, ok today I'm staying at my desk all day...but you know...

We have joked saying we should just stay away from each other but there is always a reason to meet up, then we start to talk and oops I've been missing for way too long.

To be fair he does get along with everyone and everyone does really like him - especially the women. I think he just loves to be around women in general and believe it or not does not ever give off a creepy dude vibe.

But being a tyical female I want to know if it's at least different with me since we do spend the most time together and have talked about some pretty personal issues. I don't really want anything to happen between us I just want to know if it could.

You can't really just flat out ask "hey, are you sexually attracted to me?"



I've done that. If I didn't ask, I wouldn't know, right? I felt a bit stupid afterwards but the way I did it meant they didn't know the real reason I asked. What you could do (which is what I did) is talk to him about another guy. It doesn't have to be a real guy, just make someone up. But tell him that you're not sure if this other guy is into you and ask his opinion on whether he finds you attractive enough that this other, made up, guy would be interested. His response should give you an idea of whether he likes you or not.


This makes total sense but I'm pretty sure he would know exactly what I was doing if I did that. Lol

He is pretty sharp and one thing I've picked up from him is that he notices everything. Like everything. That's why his comment about not knowing when someone is into him seems like bullshit.
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Reply #45 posted 07/30/16 5:44pm

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How long has he been with his woman? They got any kids? Me personally, once I know he's got a woman I lose interest. I just ain't into other women's men. Mixing & blending. I've been on the receiving end, it wasn't pretty, she was a grass too. Came 2 find out my girl was a repeat offender, what we call a man teef. She's gonna lose some teef if I ever buck up on her. lol jokingnotjoking
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Reply #46 posted 07/30/16 6:11pm

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Pokeno4Money said:



JustErin said:


Not really affecting my work BUT if I do have to go see him for something I tend to not realize that I've just spent like an hour with him. When this happens I make sure to make up for lost time. The thing is it's happening more and more lately. I can't seem to help it. I say to myself, ok today I'm staying at my desk all day...but you know... We have joked saying we should just stay away from each other but there is always a reason to meet up, then we start to talk and oops I've been missing for way too long. To be fair he does get along with everyone and everyone does really like him - especially the women. I think he just loves to be around women in general and believe it or not does not ever give off a creepy dude vibe. But being a tyical female I want to know if it's at least different with me since we do spend the most time together and have talked about some pretty personal issues. I don't really want anything to happen between us I just want to know if it could. You can't really just flat out ask "hey, are you sexually attracted to me?"


I totally get what you're saying, it's no different than when a guy gets a really friendly/flirty server at a restaurant ... is she that friendly/flirty with all the male customers, or does she have a genuine interest in just you.

Two things that have honest to God worked for me in the past with flirtatious coworkers:

1) The best way to really get to know ANY coworker is to see what they're like outside of work. That's when their true personalities and thoughts come out, in a non-work environment. What you could do is organize an informal gathering of coworkers for drinks after work at a nearby establishment. You could make up an excuse for it like somebody's birthday or an upcoming holiday or whatever, but a specific reason for the gathering is not necessary. When people drink, their true feelings tend to come out. And if he's truly interested, you and him will be the last two at the establishment after everyone else leaves. If he's one of the first to leave after just one or two drinks, or if he doesn't give a valid reason for not going at all, then there's your answer.

2) You want to know if he's into you without putting the question out there? Simple, just talk to him about how hard it is to find a guy that's funny, intelligent, fun etc ... and then say something like "Do you have an identical twin brother somewhere that's available?" and smile/laugh when you say it. It's the perfect line, it really is!! Because it tells him that you would be attracted to someone just like him, but you're not putting yourself out there by expressing an interest in him specifically. His reaction and response will give you the answers you are seeking.







The outside of work situation would be great but I can't see that happening. The environment has really grown and changed since I started there about 5 years ago. I've heard stories of them all hanging out but no one does that anymore. Would be cool if it did though. I work with some pretty hilarious people.

Last week we stayed an hour and a half longer after my shift ended (his ended an hour before mine) just talking, but people were still milling around. We were actually talking about relationships and the struggles of monogomy and infidelity. He confessed a few very personal things and I was kinda surprised. So I was like, this is interesting. But then he said something that made me think ok, I'm just another co worker. Then the next day he actually came to my office to clarify what he said and I started to think that maybe he is feeling me out or realized that the comment kinda upset me so he made sure I knew what he really meant.

Ok, I'm rambling.
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Reply #47 posted 07/30/16 6:12pm

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Horsefeathers said:

Oh. Oh, God. No. neutral Some friends and I were very recently mocking the universal and transparent "someone like you" line recently. Maybe I am just extraordinarily cynical, and so are my friends. Trust that it absolutely indicates interest in that individual. If transparency is your goal and you want to go about it that way, go for it, but yeah, I think it is pretty transparent.


No, it indicates you don't see that person as anything more than a friend/coworker only because they are already taken and/or because they are a coworker.

Haven't you ever told a friend of the opposite sex who has been happily married for a long time that you wish you could find someone like them? It's not a come-on, it's a compliment. Only the person on the receiving end can turn it into something more, by indicating "Why not me"?

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Reply #48 posted 07/30/16 6:13pm

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Horsefeathers said:

Oh. Oh, God. No. neutral

Some friends and I were very recently mocking the universal and transparent "someone like you" line recently. Maybe I am just extraordinarily cynical, and so are my friends. Trust that it absolutely indicates interest in that individual. If transparency is your goal and you want to go about it that way, go for it, but yeah, I think it is pretty transparent.


He's been told that line many times before. I've heard it said to him.

I'm not going there.
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Reply #49 posted 07/30/16 6:15pm

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How long has he been with his woman? They got any kids? Me personally, once I know he's got a woman I lose interest. I just ain't into other women's men. Mixing & blending. I've been on the receiving end, it wasn't pretty, she was a grass too. Came 2 find out my girl was a repeat offender, what we call a man teef. She's gonna lose some teef if I ever buck up on her. lol jokingnotjoking


Yeah, marriage, adult child.

I'm not into other women's either! I'm not interested in breaking anything up!
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Reply #50 posted 07/30/16 6:18pm

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Pokeno4Money said:



Horsefeathers said:


Oh. Oh, God. No. neutral Some friends and I were very recently mocking the universal and transparent "someone like you" line recently. Maybe I am just extraordinarily cynical, and so are my friends. Trust that it absolutely indicates interest in that individual. If transparency is your goal and you want to go about it that way, go for it, but yeah, I think it is pretty transparent.


No, it indicates you don't see that person as anything more than a friend/coworker only because they are already taken and/or because they are a coworker.

Haven't you ever told a friend of the opposite sex who has been happily married for a long time that you wish you could find someone like them? It's not a come-on, it's a compliment. Only the person on the receiving end can turn it into something more, by indicating "Why not me"?

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I totally get that this would be good to say just not in this case. Its an old tired line with him. I know it is.
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Reply #51 posted 07/30/16 6:28pm

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JustErin said:

But then he said something that made me think ok, I'm just another co worker.


These days men are very careful about what they say to female coworkers. You can't really talk about certain subjects or compliment them on anything without fear of being hauled into HR if the female views it as inappropriate. Sucks that I can't even say "nice dress" or "like what you did with your hair", but that's today's world. So if your coworker seems to pull back at times, it's possible he's afraid whatever he says will get used against him someday. That slight fear is always in the back of our minds.

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Reply #52 posted 07/30/16 6:30pm

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JustErin said:

NinaB said:

How long has he been with his woman? They got any kids? Me personally, once I know he's got a woman I lose interest. I just ain't into other women's men. Mixing & blending. I've been on the receiving end, it wasn't pretty, she was a grass too. Came 2 find out my girl was a repeat offender, what we call a man teef. She's gonna lose some teef if I ever buck up on her. lol jokingnotjoking


Yeah, marriage, adult child.

I'm not into other women's either! I'm not interested in breaking anything up!


Seen. Sounds like a waste of time & energy. Plenty of available single penis out there lol
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Reply #53 posted 07/30/16 6:34pm

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Pokeno4Money said:



Horsefeathers said:


Oh. Oh, God. No. neutral Some friends and I were very recently mocking the universal and transparent "someone like you" line recently. Maybe I am just extraordinarily cynical, and so are my friends. Trust that it absolutely indicates interest in that individual. If transparency is your goal and you want to go about it that way, go for it, but yeah, I think it is pretty transparent.


No, it indicates you don't see that person as anything more than a friend/coworker only because they are already taken and/or because they are a coworker.

Haven't you ever told a friend of the opposite sex who has been happily married for a long time that you wish you could find someone like them? It's not a come-on, it's a compliment. Only the person on the receiving end can turn it into something more, by indicating "Why not me"?

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Not since I've been an adult. Swear I'm not even being sarcastic. My best friend of 30ish years-- a dude, and the stereotypically decent looking nice guy that women fawn all over (lololol)-- gets it all the freaking time. And lawdyhammercy when we go out for lunch or anything and women think he's taken (hahahahaha), they drop that line and nearly grind their crotches in his face. I am apparently an excellent wing man. Woman. Whatever.

But no. Every time I have heard it, no matter the source, it always sounds like a tired old cheesy & obvious pick up line.
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Reply #54 posted 07/30/16 6:38pm

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Pokeno4Money said:



JustErin said:


But then he said something that made me think ok, I'm just another co worker.


These days men are very careful about what they say to female coworkers. You can't really talk about certain subjects or compliment them on anything without fear of being hauled into HR if the female views it as inappropriate. Sucks that I can't even say "nice dress" or "like what you did with your hair", but that's today's world. So if your coworker seems to pull back at times, it's possible he's afraid whatever he says will get used against him someday. That slight fear is always in the back of our minds.



Yes, you're right. And I know for a fact that he is concerned with coming off as inappropriate or creepy. And that is because other guys at work are totally inappropriate all the time.
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Reply #55 posted 07/30/16 6:39pm

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(Not to imply that "taken" is any of the appeal for Erin. It sure is for a lot of other people, though.)
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Reply #56 posted 07/30/16 6:43pm

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I don't really want anything to happen between us I just want to know if it could.


May I ask why? I really don't understand why you want to know if he's interested, even though you have no desire of pursuing him if he is. You don't strike me as someone who has a hard time getting guys, so I don't think this is a confidence-building thing. wink

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Reply #57 posted 07/30/16 6:46pm

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Chemistry is a bitch even if it's only a perception. I can relate to that.
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Reply #58 posted 07/30/16 6:49pm

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Pokeno4Money said:



JustErin said:


I don't really want anything to happen between us I just want to know if it could.


May I ask why? I really don't understand why you want to know if he's interested, even though you have no desire of pursuing him if he is. You don't strike me as someone who has a hard time getting guys, so I don't think this is a confidence-building thing. wink



Ok maybe I'm not being totally honest with myself.

But I don't want to ruin or break anything up.
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Reply #59 posted 07/30/16 6:49pm

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Horsefeathers said:

(Not to imply that "taken" is any of the appeal for Erin. It sure is for a lot of other people, though.)

I don't mean 2 imply that either. And yeah it sure is.
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