Graycap23 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Nothing much he can do until Amar'e & Bargnani's contracts come off the books.

Really? I've seen scrub like Joe Johnson traded with $100mil left on a contract.

Joe Johnson is a lot more valuable than Bargnani and Stoudemire, though. Amar'e is having a pretty nice season so far, which is nice to see.

I think expectations of the Knicks always seem to be set too high. Carmelo has never struck me as a superduper star - a borderline top 10 player usually (though he's probably inside of that mark in 2013 and 2014). I don't see any other player that is a top 15 starter at his position on that roster. Hardaway Jr. and Shumpert are nice young players with limited ceilings, but outside of that? Yikes.

Moonbeam said:

uPtoWnNY said:

^ Oscar at 13? No no no. Top 5 easily. He could do anything he wanted to on the court. He set the standard.

Best offensive player? Kareem, hands down. That sky hook was deadliest weapon in NBA history.

Yeah, Oscar was amazingly good. To be among the top 5, though? That's really rarefied air. What argument does he have over someone like Magic, Shaq, or Duncan? I think all of those guys may have had more success with those Cincinnati squads than Oscar did.

Oscar Robertson was an NBA Immortal - the numbers don't lie. Magic & Larry never averaged a triple-double for an ENTIRE season. Can't hold it against him that he only won one title. He dominated his position.

http://www.nba.com/history/players/robertson_summary.html

That sucks about Jabari Parker, done for the year with a torn ACL - shit.

As for my 5-22 Knicks, BLOW IT UP PHIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited 12/17/14 5:55am]

Moonbeam said:

Graycap23 said:

Really? I've seen scrub like Joe Johnson traded with $100mil left on a contract.

Joe Johnson is a lot more valuable than Bargnani and Stoudemire, though. Amar'e is having a pretty nice season so far, which is nice to see.

I think expectations of the Knicks always seem to be set too high. Carmelo has never struck me as a superduper star - a borderline top 10 player usually (though he's probably inside of that mark in 2013 and 2014). I don't see any other player that is a top 15 starter at his position on that roster. Hardaway Jr. and Shumpert are nice young players with limited ceilings, but outside of that? Yikes.

There has 2 be quite a few teams that could use Stoudemire but I guess his salary is just 2 high 2 make it work. Dude can still play at a high level.

Still cannot stand the bastad.

Graycap23 said:

Moonbeam said:

Joe Johnson is a lot more valuable than Bargnani and Stoudemire, though. Amar'e is having a pretty nice season so far, which is nice to see.

I think expectations of the Knicks always seem to be set too high. Carmelo has never struck me as a superduper star - a borderline top 10 player usually (though he's probably inside of that mark in 2013 and 2014). I don't see any other player that is a top 15 starter at his position on that roster. Hardaway Jr. and Shumpert are nice young players with limited ceilings, but outside of that? Yikes.

There has 2 be quite a few teams that could use Stoudemire but I guess his salary is just 2 high 2 make it work. Dude can still play at a high level.

Dallas shot 73% against the Knicks in the first quarter....BLOW IT UP!!!!!!!

Knicks upcoming schedule.....Bulls, Suns, Raptors, Wizards, Kings.....5 more losses......

Rajon Rondo and Dwight Powell to the Mavericks for Brandan Wright, Jameer Nelson & Jae Crowder and a pair of draft picks.

Rondo, Ellis, Parsons, Dirk & Chandler.....nice.

Graycap23 said:

Moonbeam said:

Kobe continues to embarrass himself...

Agree.........dude is misfiring on all cylinders.

Graycap23 said:

Except for my sorry-ass Knicks, lot of good matchups Xmas Day.