XxAxX said:

RodeoSchro said:

It would be better if Graycap would stop race-baiting.

i don't see his comment as race baiting, i think he's right. black men have been proven to receive disproportionately harsher sentencing compared to white men with similar criminal charges. check it:

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/black-americans-given-longer-sentences-than-white-americans-for-same-crimes?news=843984

http://newsone.com/1859475/black-people-receive-60-longer-sentences-for-same-crimes/

http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/rd_sentencing_review.pdf

Why bother 2 bring up any FACTS related 2 this subject. Dude has an agenda and he sticks 2 it. I'm used 2 it.

[Edited 9/11/14 15:49pm]

RodeoSchro said:

XxAxX said:

i don't see his comment as race baiting, i think he's right. black men have been proven to receive disproportionately harsher sentencing compared to white men with similar criminal charges. check it:

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/black-americans-given-longer-sentences-than-white-americans-for-same-crimes?news=843984

http://newsone.com/1859475/black-people-receive-60-longer-sentences-for-same-crimes/

http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/rd_sentencing_review.pdf

But Ray Rice - a black man - received a lighter sentence. In fact, if he completes his "Diversionary Program", he will have no record at all.

So I don't think there's any doubt whatsoever that Graycap is race-baiting. In fact, as you can see by reading the first 25 posts in this thread, no one brought up race in any way, shape or form - until Graycap did.

He made this thread about race, which was his intent.

All this coming from a person whose tagline is "Second Funkiest White Man in America" GTFOHWTBS Ok, I gotta go back to not responding to you anymore. LOL

SeventeenDayze said:

RodeoSchro said:

But Ray Rice - a black man - received a lighter sentence. In fact, if he completes his "Diversionary Program", he will have no record at all.

So I don't think there's any doubt whatsoever that Graycap is race-baiting. In fact, as you can see by reading the first 25 posts in this thread, no one brought up race in any way, shape or form - until Graycap did.

He made this thread about race, which was his intent.

All this coming from a person whose tagline is "Second Funkiest White Man in America" GTFOHWTBS Ok, I gotta go back to not responding to you anymore. LOL

LOL, and just where do you think the Second Funkiest White Man in America ranks in the list of All The Funkiest Men in America?

BobGeorge909 said:

I don't see that its about race. I see its about the morality of mean beating women. As well as about the failed attempt of the NFL to protect its image with a subject it need no do that with. Only magnifying the number of antiquated views on domestic violence floating around. Race may be some tiny element in reporting or reaction...simply cuz of race permeate the u.s. but i don't see this being about race at all. I don't understand how u feel its about race orhow its involved so heavily seventeendayz

If u read my comment, it isn't about race. It is about how when blackman are involved.......the punishment is more harsh than normal. What part of this isn't clear?

BobGeorge909 said:

I don't see that its about race. I see its about the morality of mean beating women. As well as about the failed attempt of the NFL to protect its image with a subject it need no do that with. Only magnifying the number of antiquated views on domestic violence floating around. Race may be some tiny element in reporting or reaction...simply cuz of race permeate the u.s. but i don't see this being about race at all. I don't understand how u feel its about race orhow its involved so heavily seventeendayz

Maybe I'm speaking Calculus to those who struggle in Algebra but I never said this issue was about RACE. I said to a LESSER EXTENT race was a factor. Did you not read what I wrote to OldFriendsforSale? Man, this is a complicated issue for a number of reasons but if you want to pin the tail on the "educated Nigress" then be my guest.

Graycap23 said:

BobGeorge909 said:

I don't see that its about race. I see its about the morality of mean beating women. As well as about the failed attempt of the NFL to protect its image with a subject it need no do that with. Only magnifying the number of antiquated views on domestic violence floating around. Race may be some tiny element in reporting or reaction...simply cuz of race permeate the u.s. but i don't see this being about race at all. I don't understand how u feel its about race orhow its involved so heavily seventeendayz

If u read my comment, it isn't about race. It is about how when blackman are involved.......the punishment is more harsh than normal. What part of this isn't clear?

What the *&#$?!?!?!?!? Care to read your own words again?

Graycap23 said:

Interesting that he should be banned for life but folks with known "isms" can simply carry on with thier lives and careers. Dude is a 100% chump for beating a woman and should be punished but it seems a bit harsh 2 effectively end his career.

Reminds me of the Vick situation yet there are folks around the world killing animals every single day of the week for sport. None of those folks are in prison. It would be great 2 see a bit of common sense when it comes 2 handing out punishment for everyone across the board. It seems that the brothers ALWAYS take the hardest hit.

Of course..........we all know race has nothing 2 do with his punishment. If that is your stance, show me another player and any other sport banned for this same action. I'll wait.

SeventeenDayze said:

RodeoSchro said:

But Ray Rice - a black man - received a lighter sentence. In fact, if he completes his "Diversionary Program", he will have no record at all.

So I don't think there's any doubt whatsoever that Graycap is race-baiting. In fact, as you can see by reading the first 25 posts in this thread, no one brought up race in any way, shape or form - until Graycap did.

He made this thread about race, which was his intent.

All this coming from a person whose tagline is "Second Funkiest White Man in America" GTFOHWTBS Ok, I gotta go back to not responding to you anymore. LOL

Lol....dude has a race baiting sigline. The irony...........

BTW, is there a way 2 filter out posters?

I will say this...

Yes he did initially get preferential treatment, BUT...

Of course that didn't last. He lost his career, his family is ridiculed and embarrassed, and everyone wants his head on a stick.

All of this would seem somewhat reasonable HAD Janay pressed charges. She didn't, so now BOTH of them have to be badgered into compliance, meanwhile no one is going to put a life that the two of them seemed to be getting on with back together. All for our entertainment, because believe me no one (based on their actions) cares THIS much about the domestic lives of people we have no connection to.

If it's your mother, sister, close relative or friend? Yes. And like I said before if the couple insists on sticking it out...

But since they're celebrities now they have to be symbols and conveniently, black.

That being said I will say I don't think anyone here personally has race in mind but that hardly matters because of the way this thing is playing out on all fronts.

RodeoSchro said:

XxAxX said:

i don't see his comment as race baiting, i think he's right. black men have been proven to receive disproportionately harsher sentencing compared to white men with similar criminal charges. check it:

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/black-americans-given-longer-sentences-than-white-americans-for-same-crimes?news=843984

http://newsone.com/1859475/black-people-receive-60-longer-sentences-for-same-crimes/

http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/rd_sentencing_review.pdf

But Ray Rice - a black man - received a lighter sentence. In fact, if he completes his "Diversionary Program", he will have no record at all.

So I don't think there's any doubt whatsoever that Graycap is race-baiting. In fact, as you can see by reading the first 25 posts in this thread, no one brought up race in any way, shape or form - until Graycap did.

He made this thread about race, which was his intent.

to be fair, this thread has been about a lot of things so far. just look back over it. as always on the ORG, the topic lurches around like a drunk moose in an orchard. lots of people have posted regarding topics that are offshoots of the central theme, not just Gray.

we all have our own points of view and imo Gray wasn't trying to jack the thread as much as just post his view. can't he just do that? please don't harsh him off the ORG. he just came back to us

XxAxX said:

RodeoSchro said:

It would be better if Graycap would stop race-baiting.

i don't see his comment as race baiting, i think he's right. black men have been proven to receive disproportionately harsher sentencing compared to white men with similar criminal charges. check it:

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/black-americans-given-longer-sentences-than-white-americans-for-same-crimes?news=843984

http://newsone.com/1859475/black-people-receive-60-longer-sentences-for-same-crimes/

http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/rd_sentencing_review.pdf

I hope u realize none of these will be responded 2 by the person making race baiting claims.

CynicKill said:

I will say this...

Yes he did initially get preferential treatment, BUT...

Of course that didn't last. He lost his career, his family is ridiculed and embarrassed, and everyone wants his head on a stick.

All of this would seem somewhat reasonable HAD Janay pressed charges. She didn't, so now BOTH of them have to be badgered into compliance, meanwhile no one is going to put a life that the two of them seemed to be getting on with back together. All for our entertainment, because believe me no one (based on their actions) cares THIS much about the domestic lives of people we have no connection to.

If it's your mother, sister, close relative or friend? Yes. And like I said before if the couple insists on sticking it out...

But since they're celebrities now they have to be symbols and conveniently, black.

That being said I will say I don't think anyone here personally has race in mind but that hardly matters because of the way this thing is playing out on all fronts.

I'm dealing with this right now. One of our friends, who works for us, was beaten up by her husband last weekend. He threatened to come back and hurt her, and their kids, real bad. He got arrested but now he's out of jail.

We don't know where he is or who he's staying with. We figure he's on meth. He could show up at my office any time.

It's very sad to see people like Graycap turn this into a race-baiting game. Domestic violence happens across all races.

Most people are now madder at Roger Goodell and the NFL for the way they've lied about this (which, of course, protected a black man but that's not a fact the race-baiters want to acknowledge) than they are at Ray Rice.

Graycap23 said:

XxAxX said:

i don't see his comment as race baiting, i think he's right. black men have been proven to receive disproportionately harsher sentencing compared to white men with similar criminal charges. check it:

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/black-americans-given-longer-sentences-than-white-americans-for-same-crimes?news=843984

http://newsone.com/1859475/black-people-receive-60-longer-sentences-for-same-crimes/

http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/rd_sentencing_review.pdf

I hope u realize none of these will be responded 2 by the person making race baiting claims.

Is this your version of "Cream"? You know - a post you wrote while looking in the mirror?

Graycap23 said:

Interesting that he should be banned for life but folks with known "isms" can simply carry on with thier lives and careers. Dude is a 100% chump for beating a woman and should be punished but it seems a bit harsh 2 effectively end his career.

Reminds me of the Vick situation yet there are folks around the world killing animals every single day of the week for sport. None of those folks are in prison. It would be great 2 see a bit of common sense when it comes 2 handing out punishment for everyone across the board. It seems that the brothers ALWAYS take the hardest hit.

Of course..........we all know race has nothing 2 do with his punishment. If that is your stance, show me another player and any other sport banned for this same action. I'll wait.

Graycap23 said:

BTW, is there a way 2 filter out posters?

Now that would be something special, LOL

SeventeenDayze said:

Graycap23 said:

BTW, is there a way 2 filter out posters?

Now that would be something special, LOL

2 sho.

BobGeorge909 said:

Ijust dont see HIS PUNISHMENT(2 b clear) being about race. I see it about the morality of men beating women. As well as the NFL's failed attempts to control PR. Does he happen to be black? Yes. If it was about race I think it would have started out as an indefinite suspension. It didn't. It started as a 2 game suspension. Did his race change in the process?

As I stated, what other player has been suspened indefinitely 4 this?

Sheesh...whatever happened to "Keep your hands to yourself"?

ScarletScandal said:

Sheesh...whatever happened to "Keep your hands to yourself"?

That would be good, but when yout leadership is involved in multiple conflicts on a regular basis....that impacts it's citizens as well.

Graycap23 said:

BobGeorge909 said:

I don't see that its about race. I see its about the morality of mean beating women. As well as about the failed attempt of the NFL to protect its image with a subject it need no do that with. Only magnifying the number of antiquated views on domestic violence floating around. Race may be some tiny element in reporting or reaction...simply cuz of race permeate the u.s. but i don't see this being about race at all. I don't understand how u feel its about race orhow its involved so heavily seventeendayz

If u read my comment, it isn't about race. It is about how when blackman are involved.......the punishment is more harsh than normal. What part of this isn't clear?

Exactly. I think some people deliberately confuse the issue of "race" and "racism". Ray Rice is a black man who most likely got preferential treatment in his life because he's a stellar athlete. From pee wee league all the way to the pros, I'm assuming he may have had a modicum of defacto white privelege because he can run fast and he's amazing to watch on the field. He brings value to any team that he is on. I can't judge him per se but there have been countless reports of star athletes not being held to the same standard in school because they don't want the wrath of the coach, other players or (especially) the athletic boosters that bankroll many of these school teams. So, who is he going to be without his identity as a football player? Does he have basic business skills? Many young kids, especially black boys, are steered into sports because that's just how America is but once their sports days are over, they are cast out like yesterday's news. In that regard, he's not had the typical black male experience.

Who else but Chris Brown, Ray Rice and even Ray Lewis walk away from such harsh penalties that the rest of folks, especially black men as XXaXX pointed out? These men are given a pass because they are athletes, not because they are black men. They are having a very different life experience because of that. Now that Ray Rice can kiss his career goodbye, he's going to be in for a very rude awakening that will be exacerbated by his domestic violence scandal in the NFL.

BobGeorge909 said:

Ijust dont see HIS PUNISHMENT(2 b clear) being about race. I see it about the morality of men beating women. As well as the NFL's failed attempts to control PR. Does he happen to be black? Yes. If it was about race I think it would have started out as an indefinite suspension. It didn't. It started as a 2 game suspension. Did his race change in the process?

Even though I disagree with you, I have an idea of what you are trying to say. To answer your question, please see what I just wrote a few lines up. I was basically saying that Ray Rice gets a pass from the NFL (before TMZ blew this up) because he's a valuable player, not because he's a black man. But, the fact that he's getting all these attacks on his character, as he should, introduces some of hypocrisy that many people have already alluded to. This thread is pretty long but go back and read the posts about the MMA fighter who is blackballed from the association because of domestic violence. There are pictures and everything else that are horrific but it wasn't played out in the media very much at all. Granted that the NFL is the most profitable league, I assume, that still shows a double standard in media coverage, at the very least.

BobGeorge909 said:

Ijust dont see HIS PUNISHMENT(2 b clear) being about race. I see it about the morality of men beating women. As well as the NFL's failed attempts to control PR. Does he happen to be black? Yes. If it was about race I think it would have started out as an indefinite suspension. It didn't. It started as a 2 game suspension. Did his race change in the process?

Bingo.

SeventeenDayze said:

Graycap23 said:

If u read my comment, it isn't about race. It is about how when blackman are involved.......the punishment is more harsh than normal. What part of this isn't clear?

Exactly. I think some people deliberately confuse the issue of "race" and "racism". Ray Rice is a black man who most likely got preferential treatment in his life because he's a stellar athlete. From pee wee league all the way to the pros, I'm assuming he may have had a modicum of defacto white privelege because he can run fast and he's amazing to watch on the field. He brings value to any team that he is on. I can't judge him per se but there have been countless reports of star athletes not being held to the same standard in school because they don't want the wrath of the coach, other players or (especially) the athletic boosters that bankroll many of these school teams. So, who is he going to be without his identity as a football player? Does he have basic business skills? Many young kids, especially black boys, are steered into sports because that's just how America is but once their sports days are over, they are cast out like yesterday's news. In that regard, he's not had the typical black male experience.

Who else but Chris Brown, Ray Rice and even Ray Lewis walk away from such harsh penalties that the rest of folks, especially black men as XXaXX pointed out? These men are given a pass because they are athletes, not because they are black men. They are having a very different life experience because of that. Now that Ray Rice can kiss his career goodbye, he's going to be in for a very rude awakening that will be exacerbated by his domestic violence scandal in the NFL.

Exactly.........but look how harsh and how fast that pass has been revoked.

Graycap23 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Exactly. I think some people deliberately confuse the issue of "race" and "racism". Ray Rice is a black man who most likely got preferential treatment in his life because he's a stellar athlete. From pee wee league all the way to the pros, I'm assuming he may have had a modicum of defacto white privelege because he can run fast and he's amazing to watch on the field. He brings value to any team that he is on. I can't judge him per se but there have been countless reports of star athletes not being held to the same standard in school because they don't want the wrath of the coach, other players or (especially) the athletic boosters that bankroll many of these school teams. So, who is he going to be without his identity as a football player? Does he have basic business skills? Many young kids, especially black boys, are steered into sports because that's just how America is but once their sports days are over, they are cast out like yesterday's news. In that regard, he's not had the typical black male experience.

Who else but Chris Brown, Ray Rice and even Ray Lewis walk away from such harsh penalties that the rest of folks, especially black men as XXaXX pointed out? These men are given a pass because they are athletes, not because they are black men. They are having a very different life experience because of that. Now that Ray Rice can kiss his career goodbye, he's going to be in for a very rude awakening that will be exacerbated by his domestic violence scandal in the NFL.

Exactly.........but look how harsh and how fast that pass has been revoked.

Wow, the NFL sure got to Bill Polian in a hurry! Polian was interviewed twice on ESPN this morning, in the span of 20 minutes. Both times, he was specifically asked if he, as someone who has worked in the NFL office, thought it was possible for an NFL executive to have obtained a copy of the tape showing Ray Rice knocking out his then-fiancée in an elevator, as was reported by the AP yesterday, and not have shown that tape to Roger Goodell or any other NFL execs. Check out the transcripts of the two answers and tell me if you see anything that changed, LOL:

http://deadspin.com/bill-...1633593081

NUMBER 1:
It is very puzzling to me. As a matter of fact, I worked as a vice president in the NFL office in 1993, with respect to football operations. I know how the office works, I've physically been there—it was a different building, not the one they're in now—but it's very difficult for me to understand how that could happen. Especially when you're in a situation that is as high-profile as that particular incident is. It's puzzling, and I have as many questions as everyone else. It's outside my area of expertise. For all the years that I was in the NFL, NFL security, and the NFL's ability to protect its integrity, the so-called "protection of the shield," was unmatched in American business. Forget about sports—in American business. I mean, you did not step out of line in the NFL, and if you did, there was an unwritten rule that when you were called into the office—and met with someone who was the commissioner or there at the behest of the commissioner—that you better come clean, that you better tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. And if you work in the office, you better be on top of the details. The office was there to make sure that the clubs, the players, the reputation of the NFL reamined unsullied. That goes back to the 1960's with the administration of Pete Rozelle. So this is totally, totally out of character for what I know of the NFL office.

NUMBER 2:
Well it can happen. It's a very large organization, much larger than when I served in the league office, maybe much larger by a factor of 10. When you have a large, bureaucratic organization, which that is, and there are some that think it is too large, very honestly. Things can slip through the cracks. Someone can make a value judgement who has no right to make that judgement. The CEO, who is in effect Roger Goodell, doesn't get all the information he needs all the time. That's a fact of life in bureaucracies. In this case, we'll find out what happened, and they'll absolutely, they being the NFL and Roger, will have to take steps to make sure it never happens again.

RodeoSchro said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Graycap23 said: