Graycap23 said:

Interesting that he should be banned for life but folks with known "isms" can simply carry on with thier lives and careers. Dude is a 100% chump for beating a woman and should be punished but it seems a bit harsh 2 effectively end his career.

Reminds me of the Vick situation yet there are folks around the world killing animals every single day of the week for sport. None of those folks are in prison. It would be great 2 see a bit of common sense when it comes 2 handing out punishment for everyone across the board. It seems that the brothers ALWAYS take the hardest hit.

Of course..........we all know race has nothing 2 do with his punishment. If that is your stance, show me another player and any other sport banned for this same action. I'll wait.

Still waiting.........................

[Edited 9/11/14 12:56pm]

Graycap23 said:

Graycap23 said:

Interesting that he should be banned for life but folks with known "isms" can simply carry on with thier lives and careers. Dude is a 100% chump for beating a woman and should be punished but it seems a bit harsh 2 effectively end his career.

Reminds me of the Vick situation yet there are folks around the world killing animals every single day of the week for sport. None of those folks are in prison. It would be great 2 see a bit of common sense when it comes 2 handing out punishment for everyone across the board. It seems that the brothers ALWAYS take the hardest hit.

Of course..........we all know race has nothing 2 do with his punishment. If that is your stance, show me another player and any other sport banned for this same action. I'll wait.

Still waiting.........................

[Edited 9/11/14 12:56pm]

It sure is convenient how you overlook the fact that Ray Rice - a black man - was given preferential treatment by both the police AND the NFL, until what he actually did was seen by the public.

So it seems the police, the prosecutors and the NFL was on Ray Rice's side, and still would be if not for the release of the video. How come you never give the police, the prosecutors or the NFL credit for covering up for, and taking care of, Ray Rice?

TonyVanDam said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Tony-thanks for posting this. Will check it out now. Who do you think will/can replace Goodell? My gut feeling is that Condi Rice is poking her head around but not sure if she wants to be the one to come in on the heels of much scandal and stupidity. This sounds like a coverup by the NFL and since they passed that violence against women act a year or so ago in Congress, they might make a huge example out of the entire league for this and other transgressions of its players. I wonder why you never hear about drama that coaches have? Makes me wonder about the relationship that the media has with the NFL and pro sports in general. Afterall, they both need each other in a lot of ways!

The next NFL commissioner will have to be a good Jewish businessman with an excellent human AND civil rights record who knows what is really best for business in American football.

[Edited 9/10/14 22:41pm]

Is Goodell Jewish or are you being sarcastic here?

SeventeenDayze said:

TonyVanDam said:

The next NFL commissioner will have to be a good Jewish businessman with an excellent human AND civil rights record who knows what is really best for business in American football.

[Edited 9/10/14 22:41pm]

Is Goodell Jewish or are you being sarcastic here?

paintedlady said:

CynicKill said:

It would be hard for anyone to argue the points you've made here but I call naivete on all this attention actually changing people's nature in terms of their reaction to domestic violence. We have to accept the fact that once a couple decides to stay together, any "power" WE have is non-existent. He went through the courts, the woman didn't press charges, and everyone seemingly knew about it.

But now that this thing has become a story (And that's all it is now. It's business) now you have to start looking into motivation. For anyone who looks past the initial shock of the video you have to wonder why this couple? The media is an insidious monster. Once the dust settles and everyone feels they've had enough of that boring domestic violence story what will remain is the legacy and image of Ray and Janay Rice; the endemic poster children of black dysfunction. But it's more on a subliminal level. It's on the sly.

Sadly, you are right... when women are battered they choose to stay and the frustarting thing about it is that these women who choose to stay accept this reality as normalcy.

Also, in the AA/Latino communities, seeking professional mental help is still stigamtized... people like Janay never seek therapy and even if they leave their abuser, they go out and find another abusive guy who beats them.


It is a cycle, how young boys grow up to beat women, how girls grow up to hate men.... no respect shown to either side. You would think people would have spoken up about domestic violence when Tina Turner's movie came out - "What's Love Got To Do With It" .... she was to be the perfect poster child for overcomming domestic violence... still things remain the same for too many.

That's true what you said about the black community and Latino community having stigmas placed about mental health and getting therapy. It's like the communities are in the dark ages when it comes to that kind of thing. Black folks, the majority, see therapy as too secular or "too white" or the minute they hear that someone is getting treated for mental health issues, they disappear from that person's life. It's really sad on so many levels.

SeventeenDayze said:

ScarletScandal said:

...really?

Wow. Men are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. I'm glad I don't have that problem in the gay world. Sheesh.

I thought domestic violence was a serious issue in the gay community?

I wouldn't know anything about that. A man isn't putting his hands on me, gay or otherwise.

paintedlady said:

ScarletScandal said:

...but she hit him first...

Seriously???

Women aren't physical equals to men for the most part. Men tend to be stronger, so a man punching a woman pretty much seals it for her and she will usually get her lights knocked out... especially if said dude is an althlete. Only a bully would hit a woman.

Its not an even match.... so MEN are supposed to walk away when a woman is acting foolish enough to think she can take on a guy. If she persists, then he is to call police and press charges.

If she is abusive and can't keep her hands to herself then she needs to be cut off and deemed undatable.

It is a pure punk move for a guy to hit a woman under any circumstance... with the ONLY exception being if his life is in danger.

BUT... YOU should already know this!

I don't know anything about women, and I'm not trying to learn. So would it be a punk move for a woman to hit a man? I don't understand this. Women want to be equal to men and shit, but don't want to get hit like one. Whatever. Straight problems.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paintedlady said:

All abuse is wrong... men shouldn't hit women period, but the link speaks of police brutality. A different situation from domestic violence were it is law vs. civilians and most who try to interfere will be subject to charges being filed against them. When police take advantage of their position, it is always wrong... but this has always been an issue as far as I know in certain areas of the country.

There is outrage in police brutality too... look at the protests going on in many places over that. In this thread is a topic of domestic violence. A slightly differnt can of worms so to speak.

Domestic violence can affect us all... The Ray Rice issue is NOT a race or class issue, but a world-wide issue that can affect any household, including the affluent. So just because they are black does not mean that that is a black issue nor should it be thought as such, because domestic violence is far reaching (it can affect every household, it plagues every corner in society) and no one talks about it, there is no outrage and finally there is real discussion over it. Many women are beaten daily and no one speaks on it, there is never public outcry, especially when those women are minority women... and then people want to pull attention away from the subject as soon as it is brought up.

I agree, it is not about race, and we should not even drudge that up.

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I worked with a woman who of Welsh descent(she was proud of her heritage) she and her husband worked hard and made a very affluent life for themselves. One day we were talking about a case of a woman hired to take care of a mans father in their home, he was elderly and such. They sense over time something wasn't right, the father wouldn't say anything. So they put cameras in the room and they saw the woman spanking the father, grabbing him, slamming him etc he's crying and such. And I told her I would go crazy and beat the hell out of that woman.

Well K(the Welsh descendant) woman told me she didn't believe in 'revenge violence' or something and muttered if everytime her husband had a drunk and hit her.... and she can of phased out the sentence. Yes it happens to everyone and in all walks of life.

Why are some of you so quick to say it's "not about race" the minute that someone wants to introduce the issue of race into a topic? If you don't want to talk about race, then don't talk about it but to belittle someone who wants to bring it up is just plain stupid. Why don't you folks who have a problem with any and all conversations about race (unless of course you bring up how whites are oppressed in America) just get over it already? There are people whose lives are very much shaped by the culture and community that they are in. White have a tendency to hear a black person talk about race in terms of "this doesn't happen to white folks" and that's just not reality. We aren't saying it doesn't happen to other races, we are talking about when it happens to OUR RACE. That's why the issue of racism/race and domestic violence/therapy for domestic violence was brought up because there is a cultural issue that comes into play because many black folks bemoan therapy! Get it now?

XxAxX said:

ScarletScandal said:

...but she hit him first...

yeah i noticed that too. she threw the first smack.

women can be aggressors/abusers too. i once lived next door to a couple who were constantly fighting. used to hear them breaking things, shouting, bodies slam against the wall... one day i saw them together, she was about six feet tall and maybe 300 pounds. he was just a little guy, 5'4" and 120. clearly, all that time she'd been tossing him 'round. he had bruises...

Plus, as usual, opinions and lies flare up because of something seen out of context. There are obviously other factors leading up to this. As soon as a man hits a woman, he's dogged out like all he does with his time is smack women around. It's never taken into consideration what the female could have done or been doing. What happened before they went into the elevator? They were obviously arguing about something...but let's ignore all that and dog the man out because he hit her BACK. Whatever. Females get too much credit and get away with too much. If she knocked him out in the elevator, she would get a purple heart, a magazine cover, and a book and movie deal.

SeventeenDayze said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agree, it is not about race, and we should not even drudge that up.

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I worked with a woman who of Welsh descent(she was proud of her heritage) she and her husband worked hard and made a very affluent life for themselves. One day we were talking about a case of a woman hired to take care of a mans father in their home, he was elderly and such. They sense over time something wasn't right, the father wouldn't say anything. So they put cameras in the room and they saw the woman spanking the father, grabbing him, slamming him etc he's crying and such. And I told her I would go crazy and beat the hell out of that woman.

Well K(the Welsh descendant) woman told me she didn't believe in 'revenge violence' or something and muttered if everytime her husband had a drunk and hit her.... and she can of phased out the sentence. Yes it happens to everyone and in all walks of life.

Why are some of you so quick to say it's "not about race" the minute that someone wants to introduce the issue of race into a topic? If you don't want to talk about race, then don't talk about it but to belittle someone who wants to bring it up is just plain stupid. Why don't you folks who have a problem with any and all conversations about race (unless of course you bring up how whites are oppressed in America) just get over it already? There are people whose lives are very much shaped by the culture and community that they are in. White have a tendency to hear a black person talk about race in terms of "this doesn't happen to white folks" and that's just not reality. We aren't saying it doesn't happen to other races, we are talking about when it happens to OUR RACE. That's why the issue of racism/race and domestic violence/therapy for domestic violence was brought up because there is a cultural issue that comes into play because many black folks bemoan therapy! Get it now?

Shhh................it's never about race.

Michael Vick, not about race.

Wesley Snipes, not about race.

Mike Tyson, not about race.

The treatment of Obama, not about race.

Ferguson, not about race.

Why u want 2 bring up race?

Graycap23 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Why are some of you so quick to say it's "not about race" the minute that someone wants to introduce the issue of race into a topic? If you don't want to talk about race, then don't talk about it but to belittle someone who wants to bring it up is just plain stupid. Why don't you folks who have a problem with any and all conversations about race (unless of course you bring up how whites are oppressed in America) just get over it already? There are people whose lives are very much shaped by the culture and community that they are in. White have a tendency to hear a black person talk about race in terms of "this doesn't happen to white folks" and that's just not reality. We aren't saying it doesn't happen to other races, we are talking about when it happens to OUR RACE. That's why the issue of racism/race and domestic violence/therapy for domestic violence was brought up because there is a cultural issue that comes into play because many black folks bemoan therapy! Get it now?

Shhh................it's never about race.

Michael Vick, not about race.

Wesley Snipes, not about race.

Mike Tyson, not about race.

The treatment of Obama, not about race.

Ferguson, not about race.

Why u want 2 bring up race?

We didn't.

You did.

If someone called me a two-bit hustler, I would laugh and not be offended and demand that people stopped talking about two-bit hustlers, unless of course I were a two-bit hustler

Graycap23 said:

Interesting that he should be banned for life but folks with known "isms" can simply carry on with thier lives and careers. Dude is a 100% chump for beating a woman and should be punished but it seems a bit harsh 2 effectively end his career.

Reminds me of the Vick situation yet there are folks around the world killing animals every single day of the week for sport. None of those folks are in prison. It would be great 2 see a bit of common sense when it comes 2 handing out punishment for everyone across the board. It seems that the brothers ALWAYS take the hardest hit.

Of course..........we all know race has nothing 2 do with his punishment. If that is your stance, show me another player and any other sport banned for this same action. I'll wait.

Let the record reflect that not a single word was uttered about race until the post above.

SeventeenDayze said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agree, it is not about race, and we should not even drudge that up.

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I worked with a woman who of Welsh descent(she was proud of her heritage) she and her husband worked hard and made a very affluent life for themselves. One day we were talking about a case of a woman hired to take care of a mans father in their home, he was elderly and such. They sense over time something wasn't right, the father wouldn't say anything. So they put cameras in the room and they saw the woman spanking the father, grabbing him, slamming him etc he's crying and such. And I told her I would go crazy and beat the hell out of that woman.

Well K(the Welsh descendant) woman told me she didn't believe in 'revenge violence' or something and muttered if everytime her husband had a drunk and hit her.... and she can of phased out the sentence. Yes it happens to everyone and in all walks of life.

Why are some of you so quick to say it's "not about race" the minute that someone wants to introduce the issue of race into a topic? If you don't want to talk about race, then don't talk about it but to belittle someone who wants to bring it up is just plain stupid. Why don't you folks who have a problem with any and all conversations about race (unless of course you bring up how whites are oppressed in America) just get over it already? There are people whose lives are very much shaped by the culture and community that they are in. White have a tendency to hear a black person talk about race in terms of "this doesn't happen to white folks" and that's just not reality. We aren't saying it doesn't happen to other races, we are talking about when it happens to OUR RACE. That's why the issue of racism/race and domestic violence/therapy for domestic violence was brought up because there is a cultural issue that comes into play because many black folks bemoan therapy! Get it now?

I can't speak for everyone, and I've been discussing this since we first started talking about it. Everything isn't about race. I can ask, why is it everytime an AA person is involved that some of you are quick to say it 'is about race'? Is that fair to say.

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This is about the NFL and domestic abuse.

Did I belittle you? Can you point out the post where someone belittle you? Because I KNOW I did NOT.

Again why are you responding to my post like I represent everyone and anyone that says it's not about race?

I don't have a problems discussing race where it is, and don't presume to know me or who it is on the other side of the cyberspace screen.

The issue of her getting therapy and how some AA people don't like therapy is not the point. That's a different area of discussion. There are a lot of African-Americans that get therapy. But THIS topic isn't about race.
Get it now?

OldFriends4Sale said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Why are some of you so quick to say it's "not about race" the minute that someone wants to introduce the issue of race into a topic? If you don't want to talk about race, then don't talk about it but to belittle someone who wants to bring it up is just plain stupid. Why don't you folks who have a problem with any and all conversations about race (unless of course you bring up how whites are oppressed in America) just get over it already? There are people whose lives are very much shaped by the culture and community that they are in. White have a tendency to hear a black person talk about race in terms of "this doesn't happen to white folks" and that's just not reality. We aren't saying it doesn't happen to other races, we are talking about when it happens to OUR RACE. That's why the issue of racism/race and domestic violence/therapy for domestic violence was brought up because there is a cultural issue that comes into play because many black folks bemoan therapy! Get it now?

I can't speak for everyone, and I've been discussing this since we first started talking about it. Everything isn't about race. I can ask, why is it everytime an AA person is involved that some of you are quick to say it 'is about race'? Is that fair to say.

.

This is about the NFL and domestic abuse.

Did I belittle you? Can you point out the post where someone belittle you? Because I KNOW I did NOT.

Again why are you responding to my post like I represent everyone and anyone that says it's not about race?

I don't have a problems discussing race where it is, and don't presume to know me or who it is on the other side of the cyberspace screen.

The issue of her getting therapy and how some AA people don't like therapy is not the point. That's a different area of discussion. There are a lot of African-Americans that get therapy. But THIS topic isn't about race.
Get it now?

Did you actually read what I wrote or did you just hit "send" after blowing off more steam? I'm serious, not trying to be rude but it seems that you are picking and choosing what you want to see. First of all, did you not see the post that I did earlier in which I said that the issue of race was to a LESSER EXTENT involved in this? The reason why it matters is because many people of color know that blacks are only valuable to the majority of whites as entertainers or athletes. If Ray Rice were the UPS man, they wouldn't care and would throw him under the jail. He gets the treatment he would get if he were a white male of a meager existence would get. A slap on the wrist. So, in that case Ray Rice, indirectly, BENEFITS FROM the fact that he's a black man who is an entertainer/athlete. Tell me, how many white folks do YOU know that have jerseys, posters and other garmets that reflect the name of a black man who is NOT an athlete. Are you guys wearing jerseys with Dr. Ben Carson's name on it? Doubt it because black neurologists just ain't entertaining you know.

You can belittle someone by taking the position that something is not about race when there are people who believe that race is a FACTOR but no one here has said it was the focal point of the discussion. So, as many of you like to say about racism, just get over it already. This is America and racism has existed for hundreds of years and no matter how much you want to wish it away or silence anyone who dare say brings it up on a public forum or in a town hall meeting will not exterminate the reality that it exists and it is a complicated matter! Period. I have YET to see a post where you say it is about race unless it involves Jews.

Your comments are representative of many people here who are quick to say it's "not about race". I never crowned you as the spokesperson of a minority opinion here but when you make those kind of blanket remarks that reflect what most others in your mindset have said, you are putting yourself in the position to be viewed as such.

Get it now?

ScarletScandal said:

paintedlady said:

Seriously???

Women aren't physical equals to men for the most part. Men tend to be stronger, so a man punching a woman pretty much seals it for her and she will usually get her lights knocked out... especially if said dude is an althlete. Only a bully would hit a woman.

Its not an even match.... so MEN are supposed to walk away when a woman is acting foolish enough to think she can take on a guy. If she persists, then he is to call police and press charges.

If she is abusive and can't keep her hands to herself then she needs to be cut off and deemed undatable.

It is a pure punk move for a guy to hit a woman under any circumstance... with the ONLY exception being if his life is in danger.

BUT... YOU should already know this!

I don't know anything about women, and I'm not trying to learn. So would it be a punk move for a woman to hit a man? I don't understand this. Women want to be equal to men and shit, but don't want to get hit like one. Whatever. Straight problems.

I'm going to have to say paintedlady, it's never that black in white.
A friend of mine, his mother used to beat his step fathers ASS every payday if he didn't come straight home. He was not a fighter at all, and she and her sisters were fighters. They were pretty as hell but would go head to head with any man, quick.

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And I'm sorry for a loooong time, a man calling the cops to say his wife was beating him up would usually be followed by laughter. It's still that way to a huge extend. Most men/boy do not report abuse/beating etc

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You said men tend to be... strong. That really depends on the person. Just because he's a man doesn't mean that, way too many circumstances. See we have an image of a man that fuels that ideal. Do you remember Don Knotts? and Bea Aurther? That image represents MF relationships. No doubt Bea could woop Don. We can't just assume a man is strong and knows how to fight or even protect himself. Being a man doesn't automatically equal skills in handling himself physically. And being a woman doesn't automatically equal she is weak and can't fight.

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And you typed something about 'what a man is supposed to do' lol that isn't always the case, sometimes you can't get away, sometimes you get cornered, sometimes it comes out of no where. The law also does not agree with that ideal. The law gives anyone the right to protect themselves. And I've said it before, no one knows the situation from the start if it will end in his/her life being in danger.

SeventeenDayze said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I can't speak for everyone, and I've been discussing this since we first started talking about it. Everything isn't about race. I can ask, why is it everytime an AA person is involved that some of you are quick to say it 'is about race'? Is that fair to say.

.

This is about the NFL and domestic abuse.

Did I belittle you? Can you point out the post where someone belittle you? Because I KNOW I did NOT.

Again why are you responding to my post like I represent everyone and anyone that says it's not about race?

I don't have a problems discussing race where it is, and don't presume to know me or who it is on the other side of the cyberspace screen.

The issue of her getting therapy and how some AA people don't like therapy is not the point. That's a different area of discussion. There are a lot of African-Americans that get therapy. But THIS topic isn't about race.
Get it now?

Did you actually read what I wrote or did you just hit "send" after blowing off more steam? I'm serious, not trying to be rude but it seems that you are picking and choosing what you want to see. First of all, did you not see the post that I did earlier in which I said that the issue of race was to a LESSER EXTENT involved in this? The reason why it matters is because many people of color know that blacks are only valuable to the majority of whites as entertainers or athletes. If Ray Rice were the UPS man, they wouldn't care and would throw him under the jail. He gets the treatment he would get if he were a white male of a meager existence would get. A slap on the wrist. So, in that case Ray Rice, indirectly, BENEFITS FROM the fact that he's a black man who is an entertainer/athlete. Tell me, how many white folks do YOU know that have jerseys, posters and other garmets that reflect the name of a black man who is NOT an athlete. Are you guys wearing jerseys with Dr. Ben Carson's name on it? Doubt it because black neurologists just ain't entertaining you know.

You can belittle someone by taking the position that something is not about race when there are people who believe that race is a FACTOR but no one here has said it was the focal point of the discussion. So, as many of you like to say about racism, just get over it already. This is America and racism has existed for hundreds of years and no matter how much you want to wish it away or silence anyone who dare say brings it up on a public forum or in a town hall meeting will not exterminate the reality that it exists and it is a complicated matter! Period. I have YET to see a post where you say it is about race unless it involves Jews.

Your comments are representative of many people here who are quick to say it's "not about race". I never crowned you as the spokesperson of a minority opinion here but when you make those kind of blanket remarks that reflect what most others in your mindset have said, you are putting yourself in the position to be viewed as such.

Get it now?

Oh I read your post, And do you get that I'm still asking out of the other people including paintedlady:The Ray Rice issue is NOT a race or class issue, but a world-wide issue that can affect any household, including the affluent. why did you choose to respond to my post? You should have made a general post.

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You can only be belittle in that kind of instance if your mind is in that state. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are trying to belittle you.

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HUH? a post where you say it is about race unless it involves Jews?? what are you talking about?

Again, you made it personal. Others said 'it isn't about race' before me.

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You need to get that you are out of place, You crowned me as the spokesperson when you responded to my post, yet others have said the same thing before me. Get it?

[Edited 9/11/14 14:47pm]

OldFriends4Sale said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Did you actually read what I wrote or did you just hit "send" after blowing off more steam? I'm serious, not trying to be rude but it seems that you are picking and choosing what you want to see. First of all, did you not see the post that I did earlier in which I said that the issue of race was to a LESSER EXTENT involved in this? The reason why it matters is because many people of color know that blacks are only valuable to the majority of whites as entertainers or athletes. If Ray Rice were the UPS man, they wouldn't care and would throw him under the jail. He gets the treatment he would get if he were a white male of a meager existence would get. A slap on the wrist. So, in that case Ray Rice, indirectly, BENEFITS FROM the fact that he's a black man who is an entertainer/athlete. Tell me, how many white folks do YOU know that have jerseys, posters and other garmets that reflect the name of a black man who is NOT an athlete. Are you guys wearing jerseys with Dr. Ben Carson's name on it? Doubt it because black neurologists just ain't entertaining you know.

You can belittle someone by taking the position that something is not about race when there are people who believe that race is a FACTOR but no one here has said it was the focal point of the discussion. So, as many of you like to say about racism, just get over it already. This is America and racism has existed for hundreds of years and no matter how much you want to wish it away or silence anyone who dare say brings it up on a public forum or in a town hall meeting will not exterminate the reality that it exists and it is a complicated matter! Period. I have YET to see a post where you say it is about race unless it involves Jews.

Your comments are representative of many people here who are quick to say it's "not about race". I never crowned you as the spokesperson of a minority opinion here but when you make those kind of blanket remarks that reflect what most others in your mindset have said, you are putting yourself in the position to be viewed as such.

Get it now?

Oh I read your post, And do you get that I'm still asking out of the other people including paintedlady:The Ray Rice issue is NOT a race or class issue, but a world-wide issue that can affect any household, including the affluent. why did you choose to respond to my post? You should have made a general post.

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You can only be belittle in that kind of instance if your mind is in that state. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are trying to belittle you.

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HUH? a post where you say it is about race unless it involves Jews?? what are you talking about?

Again, you made it personal. Others said 'it isn't about race' before me.

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You need to get that you are out of place, You crowned me as the spokesperson when you responded to my post, yet others have said the same thing before me. Get it?

[Edited 9/11/14 14:47pm]

You didn't answer any of my questions. It's hard to admit when you get schooled, right? Anyway, go back and read the thread that YOU started about the Jewish influence on Prince's music/Purple Rain/career and how that thread turned into a discussion about Family Name and Jewish control of the entertainment industry. Thanks and let's just agree to disagree at this point because you didn't even bother to acknowledge anything that I wrote in the previous post because the truth hurts. Now, run along and get your Ben Carson jersey before it's too late. Be sure to cheer for him loudly when he has his next medical breakthrough discovery.

SeventeenDayze said:

TonyVanDam said:

The next NFL commissioner will have to be a good Jewish businessman with an excellent human AND civil rights record who knows what is really best for business in American football.

[Edited 9/10/14 22:41pm]

Is Goodell Jewish or are you being sarcastic here?

1. Hell no. Roger Goddell is an irresponsible Protestant.

2. It took you long enough to notice my wicked level of sarcasm in my previous post.

Graycap23 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Is Goodell Jewish or are you being sarcastic here?

THIS thread is awesome.

TonyVanDam said:

Graycap23 said:

THIS thread is awesome.

It would be better if Graycap would stop race-baiting.

ScarletScandal said:

paintedlady said:

Seriously???

Women aren't physical equals to men for the most part. Men tend to be stronger, so a man punching a woman pretty much seals it for her and she will usually get her lights knocked out... especially if said dude is an althlete. Only a bully would hit a woman.

Its not an even match.... so MEN are supposed to walk away when a woman is acting foolish enough to think she can take on a guy. If she persists, then he is to call police and press charges.

If she is abusive and can't keep her hands to herself then she needs to be cut off and deemed undatable.

It is a pure punk move for a guy to hit a woman under any circumstance... with the ONLY exception being if his life is in danger.

BUT... YOU should already know this!

I don't know anything about women, and I'm not trying to learn. So would it be a punk move for a woman to hit a man? I don't understand this. Women want to be equal to men and shit, but don't want to get hit like one. Whatever. Straight problems.

Yes, it would be a punk move for a woman to throw the first punch at a gay man. That would count as an assault AND (maybe) a hate crime.

RodeoSchro said:

TonyVanDam said:

THIS thread is awesome.

It would be better if Graycap would stop race-baiting.

Gray is not race-baiting. He's just "true to the game".

SeventeenDayze said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Oh I read your post, And do you get that I'm still asking out of the other people including paintedlady:The Ray Rice issue is NOT a race or class issue, but a world-wide issue that can affect any household, including the affluent. why did you choose to respond to my post? You should have made a general post.

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You can only be belittle in that kind of instance if your mind is in that state. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are trying to belittle you.

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HUH? a post where you say it is about race unless it involves Jews?? what are you talking about?

Again, you made it personal. Others said 'it isn't about race' before me.

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You need to get that you are out of place, You crowned me as the spokesperson when you responded to my post, yet others have said the same thing before me. Get it?

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You didn't answer any of my questions. It's hard to admit when you get schooled, right? Anyway, go back and read the thread that YOU started about the Jewish influence on Prince's music/Purple Rain/career and how that thread turned into a discussion about Family Name and Jewish control of the entertainment industry. Thanks and let's just agree to disagree at this point because you didn't even bother to acknowledge anything that I wrote in the previous post because the truth hurts. Now, run along and get your Ben Carson jersey before it's too late. Be sure to cheer for him loudly when he has his next medical breakthrough discovery.

Admit what Seventeen days?

You have a problem. You have race problem. Are you SERIOUS??? Are you seriously upset about a general post about that Jewish post. Those were NOT my words. I just post something I saw on the web. I don't even think I had a response to it. AND IT WASN'T EVEN A SERIOUS POST!!!! ARE YOU SERIOUSLY pulling up some old thread about PURPLE RAIN an those Jewish people in the group? SERIOUSLY?

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You don't deserve for me to answer questions.

You have race issue boo boo.

Just because someone doesnt' agree with you doesn't mean they have race issues.

TonyVanDam said:

RodeoSchro said:

It would be better if Graycap would stop race-baiting.

Gray is not race-baiting. He's just "true to the game".

No my friend, he's flat-out race-baiting. This thread was about the actual act itself - and the NFL's reaction to it - until Graycap tried to make it about race in reply #24.

It's awfully dang funny that Graycap is trying to turn a wife-beater into a victim. Actually, it's sad rather than funny. Here we have a grown man - a professional athlete - that viciously struck and knocked out a woman, and Graycap wants to take the focus off that and try to make excuses for Rice based on his race.

That's not right. And ironically, Rice - a black man - was given preferential treatment until the video leaked. But for some reason, Graycap turns a blind eye to the preferential treatment given to Rice.

RodeoSchro said:

TonyVanDam said:

THIS thread is awesome.

It would be better if Graycap would stop race-baiting.

i don't see his comment as race baiting, i think he's right. black men have been proven to receive disproportionately harsher sentencing compared to white men with similar criminal charges. check it:

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/black-americans-given-longer-sentences-than-white-americans-for-same-crimes?news=843984

http://newsone.com/1859475/black-people-receive-60-longer-sentences-for-same-crimes/

http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/rd_sentencing_review.pdf

OldFriends4Sale said:

SeventeenDayze said:

You didn't answer any of my questions. It's hard to admit when you get schooled, right? Anyway, go back and read the thread that YOU started about the Jewish influence on Prince's music/Purple Rain/career and how that thread turned into a discussion about Family Name and Jewish control of the entertainment industry. Thanks and let's just agree to disagree at this point because you didn't even bother to acknowledge anything that I wrote in the previous post because the truth hurts. Now, run along and get your Ben Carson jersey before it's too late. Be sure to cheer for him loudly when he has his next medical breakthrough discovery.

Admit what Seventeen days?

You have a problem. You have race problem. Are you SERIOUS??? Are you seriously upset about a general post about that Jewish post. Those were NOT my words. I just post something I saw on the web. I don't even think I had a response to it. AND IT WASN'T EVEN A SERIOUS POST!!!! ARE YOU SERIOUSLY pulling up some old thread about PURPLE RAIN an those Jewish people in the group? SERIOUSLY?

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You don't deserve for me to answer questions.

You have race issue boo boo.

Just because someone doesnt' agree with you doesn't mean they have race issues.

Unless u actually bother 2 read my post, I won't bother to respond.

XxAxX said:

RodeoSchro said:

It would be better if Graycap would stop race-baiting.

i don't see his comment as race baiting, i think he's right. black men have been proven to receive disproportionately harsher sentencing compared to white men with similar criminal charges. check it:

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/black-americans-given-longer-sentences-than-white-americans-for-same-crimes?news=843984

http://newsone.com/1859475/black-people-receive-60-longer-sentences-for-same-crimes/

http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/rd_sentencing_review.pdf

But Ray Rice - a black man - received a lighter sentence. In fact, if he completes his "Diversionary Program", he will have no record at all.

So I don't think there's any doubt whatsoever that Graycap is race-baiting. In fact, as you can see by reading the first 25 posts in this thread, no one brought up race in any way, shape or form - until Graycap did.

He made this thread about race, which was his intent.

OldFriends4Sale said:

SeventeenDayze said:

You didn't answer any of my questions. It's hard to admit when you get schooled, right? Anyway, go back and read the thread that YOU started about the Jewish influence on Prince's music/Purple Rain/career and how that thread turned into a discussion about Family Name and Jewish control of the entertainment industry. Thanks and let's just agree to disagree at this point because you didn't even bother to acknowledge anything that I wrote in the previous post because the truth hurts. Now, run along and get your Ben Carson jersey before it's too late. Be sure to cheer for him loudly when he has his next medical breakthrough discovery.

Admit what Seventeen days?

You have a problem. You have race problem. Are you SERIOUS??? Are you seriously upset about a general post about that Jewish post. Those were NOT my words. I just post something I saw on the web. I don't even think I had a response to it. AND IT WASN'T EVEN A SERIOUS POST!!!! ARE YOU SERIOUSLY pulling up some old thread about PURPLE RAIN an those Jewish people in the group? SERIOUSLY?

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You don't deserve for me to answer questions.

You have race issue boo boo.

Just because someone doesnt' agree with you doesn't mean they have race issues.

Graycap23 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Admit what Seventeen days?

You have a problem. You have race problem. Are you SERIOUS??? Are you seriously upset about a general post about that Jewish post. Those were NOT my words. I just post something I saw on the web. I don't even think I had a response to it. AND IT WASN'T EVEN A SERIOUS POST!!!! ARE YOU SERIOUSLY pulling up some old thread about PURPLE RAIN an those Jewish people in the group? SERIOUSLY?

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You don't deserve for me to answer questions.

You have race issue boo boo.

Just because someone doesnt' agree with you doesn't mean they have race issues.

Unless u actually bother 2 read my post, I won't bother to respond.

LMAO, did you just admit you're SeventeenDayze?