Are you saying it's wrong that people are abandoning Ray Rice?
Unless I have written those words, why assume that's what I meant? I wrote two sentences. Please leave it at that
"People jumping ship" generally is a negative connotation, and I wasn't (and still am not) sure if you're saying people jumping off the S.S. Ray Rice is good or bad.
Unless I have written those words, why assume that's what I meant? I wrote two sentences. Please leave it at that
"People jumping ship" generally is a negative connotation, and I wasn't (and still am not) sure if you're saying people jumping off the S.S. Ray Rice is good or bad.
I see what you mean. Well, I guess it can be positive and negative. Positive because what he did was horrible but negative because this is probably the time where he needs therapy, emotional support from his brothers/players in the league and others that have had similar problems. No man is an island, even dirtbags. I wish them the best and I hope that everyone involved gets the help that they apparently needed like yesterday.
A law enforcement official says he sent a video of Ray Rice punching his then-fiancee to an NFL executive three months ago, while league officers have insisted they didn't see the violent images until this week.
The person played The Associated Press a 12-second voicemail from an NFL office number on April 9 confirming the video arrived. A female voice expresses thanks and says: "You're right. It's terrible."
A law enforcement official says he sent a video of Ray Rice punching his then-fiancee to an NFL executive three months ago, while league officers have insisted they didn't see the violent images until this week.
The person played The Associated Press a 12-second voicemail from an NFL office number on April 9 confirming the video arrived. A female voice expresses thanks and says: "You're right. It's terrible."
Thanks for posting this, will check out the link. Man, this Goodell dude is really not having a good year so far. Looks like Condi Rice is gonna be the next Comissioner of the NFL!
Roger Goodell isn't going anywhere. He has 32 bosses who only care about $$$$$. He's made plenty of that for them during his tenure. Since Americans aren't boycotting NFL games anytime soon, the Ray Rice incident won't hurt the league's 'bottom line'.
A law enforcement official says he sent a video of Ray Rice punching his then-fiancee to an NFL executive three months ago, while league officers have insisted they didn't see the violent images until this week.
The person played The Associated Press a 12-second voicemail from an NFL office number on April 9 confirming the video arrived. A female voice expresses thanks and says: "You're right. It's terrible."
Thanks for posting this, will check out the link. Man, this Goodell dude is really not having a good year so far. Looks like Condi Rice is gonna be the next Comissioner of the NFL!
Yeah Goodell is doing a horrible job on all levels. He's like the only person on this planet that wants an NFL team in Europe, man put a team in LA first (and then Hawaii....so I can see a NFL regular season game). Also Bob Costas has got to go. He acts like everyone cares what he thinks.
Rice should never be allowed 2 play in the NFL agains but:
1. A privately owned bank know as the Federal Reserve Bank should be allowed 2 rob the US citizens blind to the tune of billions $ per day
2. Politians should be allowed to sell it's citizens to highest bidder at the State and Federal level on a regular basis.
3. Racism, sexism, and ageism is rampant around the World.
4. The exploitation of woman and children are at an all time high.
5. The US is involved in several wars around the Globe including supporting the nonsense over in Isreal.
I could go on for days.....but I won't.
I agree with all 5 of your points. But you forgot about "classism". It's not an official word in the American English dictionary, but it needs to be. The issue of class (especially rich VS. poor) can never be overlooked.
Hey, let's get all up in arms about a private matter that has NOTHING 2 do with us as individuals.
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True in the grand scheme of things but the reality is that people have wives,sisters,
mothers,cousins,aunts,and friends who have experienced this directly or indirectly
and to expect women who have been down this road to not react passionately about domestic violence would be unrealistic.
While you are at it put down, #6.
6. Black people (children, men, & woman) are shot down like dogs in the street.
But wait, "black = criminal"
Oh, never mind "we" have other issues.
As if the powers that be gives a rats ass about "you" or your well being in the boarder context of the World. Your ho-hum indifference -- what does this have to do with me attitude-- allows the things you've listed to take place in the 1st place.
Roger Goodell isn't going anywhere. He has 32 bosses who only care about $$$$$. He's made plenty of that for them during his tenure. Since Americans aren't boycotting NFL games anytime soon, the Ray Rice incident won't hurt the league's 'bottom line'.
It's hard to pull off effective boycotts especially in the highly individualistic environment that exists in America. We could change the course of history if we wised up and spent our money in better ways but everyone is all about themselves here so it will never happen unfortunately. I mean, a boycott of pro sports would be enormous and highly effective but too many meatheads who live their lives through pro sports would fill in the cracks left by the rest who want to see real change.
I agree with all 5 of your points. But you forgot about "classism". It's not an official word in the American English dictionary, but it needs to be. The issue of class (especially rich VS. poor) can never be overlooked.
Hey, let's get all up in arms about a private matter that has NOTHING 2 do with us as individuals.
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what an absolutely ridiculous thing to say
are we to have no thoughts on issues like this because we're not directly involved, or bcause there's other stuff going on in the world?
not sure what your motivation is for not wanting people to have their say about this
Thanks for posting this, will check out the link. Man, this Goodell dude is really not having a good year so far. Looks like Condi Rice is gonna be the next Comissioner of the NFL!
Yeah Goodell is doing a horrible job on all levels. He's like the only person on this planet that wants an NFL team in Europe, man put a team in LA first (and then Hawaii....so I can see a NFL regular season game). Also Bob Costas has got to go. He acts like everyone cares what he thinks.
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Bob Costas had a way of ruining baseball coverage as well. I never forget a time he once called himself a "baseball fundamentalist". I have never forgotten that because it was like, wow, this guy really is a delusional troll. LOL I guess he missed an opportunity to be a baseball player as a kid or something.
Yeah Goodell is doing a horrible job on all levels. He's like the only person on this planet that wants an NFL team in Europe, man put a team in LA first (and then Hawaii....so I can see a NFL regular season game). Also Bob Costas has got to go. He acts like everyone cares what he thinks.
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Bob Costas had a way of ruining baseball coverage as well. I never forget a time he once called himself a "baseball fundamentalist". I have never forgotten that because it was like, wow, this guy really is a delusional troll. LOL I guess he missed an opportunity to be a baseball player as a kid or something.
He also ruins the Olympics (well let's face it, he's just poison). I look forward to the Olympics but then when I hear it's gonna be on NBC I'm like "Oh great Bob Costas again". I liked the fact that he had pink eye and missed a few days of coverage last Olympics.
Bob Costas had a way of ruining baseball coverage as well. I never forget a time he once called himself a "baseball fundamentalist". I have never forgotten that because it was like, wow, this guy really is a delusional troll. LOL I guess he missed an opportunity to be a baseball player as a kid or something.
He also ruins the Olympics (well let's face it, he's just poison). I look forward to the Olympics but then when I hear it's gonna be on NBC I'm like "Oh great Bob Costas again". I liked the fact that he had pink eye and missed a few days of coverage last Olympics.
Ha, so it seems that there actually IS some good that can come out of pink eye. LOL
Hey, let's get all up in arms about a private matter that has NOTHING 2 do with us as individuals.
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what an absolutely ridiculous thing to say
are we to have no thoughts on issues like this because we're not directly involved, or bcause there's other stuff going on in the world?
not sure what your motivation is for not wanting people to have their say about this
Ok....please tell me how this impacts u.
Again, ridiculous
Men that hit women are scum. If I want to say so, I will
I actually did grow up in a house filled with domestic violence. But that's not even the point. The concept that we have to be directly affected by something to state our distaste for it is flawed, to say the least
TYT has shown the proof that the NFL actually did received copy of the uncut elevator footage months BEFORE TMZ went public with their own copy!:
It looks like Rodeo was right. Some NFL officials knew about the footage and NEVER went public about it.
Fellow orgers and NFL fans alike, I think it's about time for Roger Goddell to resign or be fired from his role as NFL commissioner. This dude is nothing but a freaking liar in the first degree.
TYT has shown the proof that the NFL actually did received copy of the uncut elevator footage months BEFORE TMZ went public with their own copy!:
It looks like Rodeo was right. Some NFL officials knew about the footage and NEVER went public about it.
Fellow orgers and NFL fans alike, I think it's about time for Roger Goddell to resign or be fired from his role as NFL commissioner. This dude is nothing but a freaking liar in the first degree.
Tony-thanks for posting this. Will check it out now. Who do you think will/can replace Goodell? My gut feeling is that Condi Rice is poking her head around but not sure if she wants to be the one to come in on the heels of much scandal and stupidity. This sounds like a coverup by the NFL and since they passed that violence against women act a year or so ago in Congress, they might make a huge example out of the entire league for this and other transgressions of its players. I wonder why you never hear about drama that coaches have? Makes me wonder about the relationship that the media has with the NFL and pro sports in general. Afterall, they both need each other in a lot of ways!
TYT has shown the proof that the NFL actually did received copy of the uncut elevator footage months BEFORE TMZ went public with their own copy!:
It looks like Rodeo was right. Some NFL officials knew about the footage and NEVER went public about it.
Fellow orgers and NFL fans alike, I think it's about time for Roger Goddell to resign or be fired from his role as NFL commissioner. This dude is nothing but a freaking liar in the first degree.
Tony-thanks for posting this. Will check it out now. Who do you think will/can replace Goodell? My gut feeling is that Condi Rice is poking her head around but not sure if she wants to be the one to come in on the heels of much scandal and stupidity. This sounds like a coverup by the NFL and since they passed that violence against women act a year or so ago in Congress, they might make a huge example out of the entire league for this and other transgressions of its players. I wonder why you never hear about drama that coaches have? Makes me wonder about the relationship that the media has with the NFL and pro sports in general. Afterall, they both need each other in a lot of ways!
The next NFL commissioner will have to be a good Jewish businessman with an excellent human AND civil rights record who knows what is really best for business in American football.
are we to have no thoughts on issues like this because we're not directly involved, or bcause there's other stuff going on in the world?
not sure what your motivation is for not wanting people to have their say about this
Ok....please tell me how this impacts u.
Fighting in public makes it a public issue.... there is NO way most men walking past a man hitting a woman in public would not get invovled out of concern. It becomes a public safety issue, because women should be safe to walk the streets with men, and not live in fear that their guy can hand them a beatdown on a whim. The public will get involved because we can't co-sign abuse by allowing it around us, in any fashion. Our society demands a peaceful co-existence between the sexes... otherwise, it would be cavemen clubbing women around all the live long day.
Luckily for her, it was a public fight and the world gets to criticize and but in. Now she is forced to stop denying there is something wrong and hopefully she makes changes for her safety and well being.
Hey, let's get all up in arms about a private matter that has NOTHING 2 do with us as individuals.
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what an absolutely ridiculous thing to say
are we to have no thoughts on issues like this because we're not directly involved, or bcause there's other stuff going on in the world?
not sure what your motivation is for not wanting people to have their say about this
Despite what some would say, the publicity and exposure about this has had some positive effect. As I posted below, the National Domestic Violence Hotline is experiencing an gigantic increase in phone calls.
So no doubt there are some women (and men) that are going to be able to summon the courage to escape a violent situation because of the attention focused on this.
I'm going through this right now, as one of our friends was beaten up by her husband over the weekend. She works with us, and we're keeping the office door locked in case the husband comes here, looking for her (I hope he does, but that's just me).
It's an ugly situation, and talking about it is ALWAYS helpful.
Fighting in public makes it a public issue.... there is NO way most men walking past a man hitting a woman in public would not get invovled out of concern. It becomes a public safety issue, because women should be safe to walk the streets with men, and not live in fear that their guy can hand them a beatdown on a whim. The public will get involved because we can't co-sign abuse by allowing it around us, in any fashion. Our society demands a peaceful co-existence between the sexes... otherwise, it would be cavemen clubbing women around all the live long day.
Luckily for her, it was a public fight and the world gets to criticize and but in. Now she is forced to stop denying there is something wrong and hopefully she makes changes for her safety and well being.
Fighting in public makes it a public issue.... there is NO way most men walking past a man hitting a woman in public would not get invovled out of concern. It becomes a public safety issue, because women should be safe to walk the streets with men, and not live in fear that their guy can hand them a beatdown on a whim. The public will get involved because we can't co-sign abuse by allowing it around us, in any fashion. Our society demands a peaceful co-existence between the sexes... otherwise, it would be cavemen clubbing women around all the live long day.
Luckily for her, it was a public fight and the world gets to criticize and but in. Now she is forced to stop denying there is something wrong and hopefully she makes changes for her safety and well being.
http://prince.org/msg/105/410402
All abuse is wrong... men shouldn't hit women period, but the link speaks of police brutality. A different situation from domestic violence were it is law vs. civilians and most who try to interfere will be subject to charges being filed against them. When police take advantage of their position, it is always wrong... but this has always been an issue as far as I know in certain areas of the country.
There is outrage in police brutality too... look at the protests going on in many places over that. In this thread is a topic of domestic violence. A slightly differnt can of worms so to speak.
Domestic violence can affect us all... The Ray Rice issue is NOT a race or class issue, but a world-wide issue that can affect any household, including the affluent. So just because they are black does not mean that that is a black issue nor should it be thought as such, because domestic violence is far reaching (it can affect every household, it plagues every corner in society) and no one talks about it, there is no outrage and finally there is real discussion over it. Many women are beaten daily and no one speaks on it, there is never public outcry, especially when those women are minority women... and then people want to pull attention away from the subject as soon as it is brought up.
All abuse is wrong... men shouldn't hit women period, but the link speaks of police brutality. A different situation from domestic violence were it is law vs. civilians and most who try to interfere will be subject to charges being filed against them. When police take advantage of their position, it is always wrong... but this has always been an issue as far as I know in certain areas of the country.
There is outrage in police brutality too... look at the protests going on in many places over that. In this thread is a topic of domestic violence. A slightly differnt can of worms so to speak.
Domestic violence can affect us all... The Ray Rice issue is NOT a race or class issue, but a world-wide issue that can affect any household, including the affluent. So just because they are black does not mean that that is a black issue nor should it be thought as such, because domestic violence is far reaching (it can affect every household, it plagues every corner in society) and no one talks about it, there is no outrage and finally there is real discussion over it. Many women are beaten daily and no one speaks on it, there is never public outcry, especially when those women are minority women... and then people want to pull attention away from the subject as soon as it is brought up.
It would be hard for anyone to argue the points you've made here but I call naivete on all this attention actually changing people's nature in terms of their reaction to domestic violence. We have to accept the fact that once a couple decides to stay together, any "power" WE have is non-existent. He went through the courts, the woman didn't press charges, and everyone seemingly knew about it.
But now that this thing has become a story (And that's all it is now. It's business) now you have to start looking into motivation. For anyone who looks past the initial shock of the video you have to wonder why this couple? The media is an insidious monster. Once the dust settles and everyone feels they've had enough of that boring domestic violence story what will remain is the legacy and image of Ray and Janay Rice; the endemic poster children of black dysfunction. But it's more on a subliminal level. It's on the sly.
All abuse is wrong... men shouldn't hit women period, but the link speaks of police brutality. A different situation from domestic violence were it is law vs. civilians and most who try to interfere will be subject to charges being filed against them. When police take advantage of their position, it is always wrong... but this has always been an issue as far as I know in certain areas of the country.
There is outrage in police brutality too... look at the protests going on in many places over that. In this thread is a topic of domestic violence. A slightly differnt can of worms so to speak.
Domestic violence can affect us all... The Ray Rice issue is NOT a race or class issue, but a world-wide issue that can affect any household, including the affluent. So just because they are black does not mean that that is a black issue nor should it be thought as such, because domestic violence is far reaching (it can affect every household, it plagues every corner in society) and no one talks about it, there is no outrage and finally there is real discussion over it. Many women are beaten daily and no one speaks on it, there is never public outcry, especially when those women are minority women... and then people want to pull attention away from the subject as soon as it is brought up.
It would be hard for anyone to argue the points you've made here but I call naivete on all this attention actually changing people's nature in terms of their reaction to domestic violence. We have to accept the fact that once a couple decides to stay together, any "power" WE have is non-existent. He went through the courts, the woman didn't press charges, and everyone seemingly knew about it.
But now that this thing has become a story (And that's all it is now. It's business) now you have to start looking into motivation. For anyone who looks past the initial shock of the video you have to wonder why this couple? The media is an insidious monster. Once the dust settles and everyone feels they've had enough of that boring domestic violence story what will remain is the legacy and image of Ray and Janay Rice; the endemic poster children of black dysfunction. But it's more on a subliminal level. It's on the sly.
Sadly, you are right... when women are battered they choose to stay and the frustarting thing about it is that these women who choose to stay accept this reality as normalcy.
Also, in the AA/Latino communities, seeking professional mental help is still stigamtized... people like Janay never seek therapy and even if they leave their abuser, they go out and find another abusive guy who beats them.
It is a cycle, how young boys grow up to beat women, how girls grow up to hate men.... no respect shown to either side. You would think people would have spoken up about domestic violence when Tina Turner's movie came out - "What's Love Got To Do With It" .... she was to be the perfect poster child for overcomming domestic violence... still things remain the same for too many.
All abuse is wrong... men shouldn't hit women period, but the link speaks of police brutality. A different situation from domestic violence were it is law vs. civilians and most who try to interfere will be subject to charges being filed against them. When police take advantage of their position, it is always wrong... but this has always been an issue as far as I know in certain areas of the country.
There is outrage in police brutality too... look at the protests going on in many places over that. In this thread is a topic of domestic violence. A slightly differnt can of worms so to speak.
Domestic violence can affect us all... The Ray Rice issue is NOT a race or class issue, but a world-wide issue that can affect any household, including the affluent. So just because they are black does not mean that that is a black issue nor should it be thought as such, because domestic violence is far reaching (it can affect every household, it plagues every corner in society) and no one talks about it, there is no outrage and finally there is real discussion over it. Many women are beaten daily and no one speaks on it, there is never public outcry, especially when those women are minority women... and then people want to pull attention away from the subject as soon as it is brought up.
All abuse is wrong... men shouldn't hit women period, but the link speaks of police brutality. A different situation from domestic violence were it is law vs. civilians and most who try to interfere will be subject to charges being filed against them. When police take advantage of their position, it is always wrong... but this has always been an issue as far as I know in certain areas of the country.
There is outrage in police brutality too... look at the protests going on in many places over that. In this thread is a topic of domestic violence. A slightly differnt can of worms so to speak.
Domestic violence can affect us all... The Ray Rice issue is NOT a race or class issue, but a world-wide issue that can affect any household, including the affluent. So just because they are black does not mean that that is a black issue nor should it be thought as such, because domestic violence is far reaching (it can affect every household, it plagues every corner in society) and no one talks about it, there is no outrage and finally there is real discussion over it. Many women are beaten daily and no one speaks on it, there is never public outcry, especially when those women are minority women... and then people want to pull attention away from the subject as soon as it is brought up.
It would be hard for anyone to argue the points you've made here but I call naivete on all this attention actually changing people's nature in terms of their reaction to domestic violence. We have to accept the fact that once a couple decides to stay together, any "power" WE have is non-existent. He went through the courts, the woman didn't press charges, and everyone seemingly knew about it.
But now that this thing has become a story (And that's all it is now. It's business) now you have to start looking into motivation. For anyone who looks past the initial shock of the video you have to wonder why this couple? The media is an insidious monster. Once the dust settles and everyone feels they've had enough of that boring domestic violence story what will remain is the legacy and image of Ray and Janay Rice; the endemic poster children of black dysfunction. But it's more on a subliminal level. It's on the sly.
All abuse is wrong... men shouldn't hit women period, but the link speaks of police brutality. A different situation from domestic violence were it is law vs. civilians and most who try to interfere will be subject to charges being filed against them. When police take advantage of their position, it is always wrong... but this has always been an issue as far as I know in certain areas of the country.
There is outrage in police brutality too... look at the protests going on in many places over that. In this thread is a topic of domestic violence. A slightly differnt can of worms so to speak.
Domestic violence can affect us all... The Ray Rice issue is NOT a race or class issue, but a world-wide issue that can affect any household, including the affluent. So just because they are black does not mean that that is a black issue nor should it be thought as such, because domestic violence is far reaching (it can affect every household, it plagues every corner in society) and no one talks about it, there is no outrage and finally there is real discussion over it. Many women are beaten daily and no one speaks on it, there is never public outcry, especially when those women are minority women... and then people want to pull attention away from the subject as soon as it is brought up.
I agree, it is not about race, and we should not even drudge that up.
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I worked with a woman who of Welsh descent(she was proud of her heritage) she and her husband worked hard and made a very affluent life for themselves. One day we were talking about a case of a woman hired to take care of a mans father in their home, he was elderly and such. They sense over time something wasn't right, the father wouldn't say anything. So they put cameras in the room and they saw the woman spanking the father, grabbing him, slamming him etc he's crying and such. And I told her I would go crazy and beat the hell out of that woman.
Well K(the Welsh descendant) woman told me she didn't believe in 'revenge violence' or something and muttered if everytime her husband had a drunk and hit her.... and she can of phased out the sentence. Yes it happens to everyone and in all walks of life.
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