All these ''quotes'' people say she said did she really say them?

People quote her as if she was some amazing philosopher to the people. People always put up picture sof her with quotes, then go ''omg so true she was a visionaire''

Is all this true? all the movies i watched with her she played the same role. Always the silly blonde looking for male attention. Acting wise i never got what was so special about her.

They said she read books everyday and it was her favorite past tme (Besides being a homewrecker) And that she wrote a letter to Einstein?

So, my fellow movie history gurus. Is everything said about her true?

she was naive, never stupid.

on most times, very 'on point'...

Most of them are not true...

Ive looked up alot of them that people like to post on FB like its shit thats coming straight out of Gods mouth..

It gets annoying...

she always struck me as kind of dumb, no offense, I mean slighty low-IQ and all

she sure had instinct when it came to business $$$ (her body, adequate roles, adequate connections), but I think that's about it...

reading a lot of books? what books, anyway?

if she had some kind of high intelligence that she kept secret, well, she never left anything to measure it...did she?

Rest in Peace, anyway, such a beautiful, sweet, troubled woman, a true icon of Hollywood (with all its good/bad connotations included...maybe more bad than good... )

True she played the 'not too bright blond roles' but not all the time. I think she might have tried to appear less intelligent at times due to the 'time' in which she lived. In "Gentlemen Prefer Blonds" she replies to Esmond Senior when he says, "I thought you were dumb"..."I can be smart when it’s important," Lorelei replies. "But most men don’t like it."

I never thought she was dumb at all.

http://moreintelligentlif...lyn-monroe

When her career first picked up, Marilyn Monroe forewent the typical starlet route of extravagant partying and instead enrolled in night classes at the University of California in Los Angeles. Having never graduated from high school, she was a voracious reader throughout her career, leaving behind a 400-book library with works by Milton, Dostoyevsky, Whitman, Hemingway and Kerouac. Monroe would occasionally write, too, jotting down notes and poems on hotel stationery, scrap paper and the first few pages of new journals.

Nearly 50 years after her death, these bits of writings have been collected and published as a beautiful book, "Fragments: Poems, Intimate Notes, Letters", edited by Stanley Buchthal and Bernard Comment. The glossy pages feature photo reproductions of the hand- and type-written originals—complete with arrows, crossed-out words and spelling mistakes—along with biographical sketches and some captivating and occasionally silly pictures of Marilyn reading the greats.

Monroe was very private with this work, revealing it to only a few friends and intimates.

These personal fragments now lend a charming glimpse into her psyche, and also capture some of her pain. At times she shows a real talent for poetry and its rhythm, and uses the disquiet in herself to capture the humanity around her. Arthur Miller, her third and last husband, once said about her: "To have survived she would have had to be either more cynical or even further from reality than she was. Instead she was a poet on a street corner trying to recite to a crowd pulling at her clothes."

Here are five particularly poignant fragments from the book.

On travelling by bus to Salinas:
I was the only person
woman with about
sixty Italian fisherman...such charming gentleman...
and (they hoped) fish were
waiting for them. Some
could hardly speak English
not only do I love Greeks
(illegible) I love Italians.
they're warm, lusty and friendly as hell—I'd love to go to
Italy someday

On sailors:
I saw a lot of lonely young
sailors who/ they looked too
young to be so sad. They reminded me of
young slender trees still growing & painful

On trees:
Sad sweet trees—
I wish for you—rest
but you must be wakeful

On love:
My love sleeps besides me—
in the faint light...
but he will look like this when he is dead
oh unbearable fact inevitable
yet sooner would I rather his love die
than/ or him?

And marriage:
I guess I have always been
deeply terrified to really be someone's
wife
since I know from life
one cannot love another,
ever, really

And marriage:
I guess I have always been
deeply terrified to really be someone's
wife
since I know from life
one cannot love another,
ever, really

Especially when you're a homewrecker

Gunsnhalen said:

And marriage:
I guess I have always been
deeply terrified to really be someone's
wife
since I know from life
one cannot love another,
ever, really

Especially when you're a homewrecker

Lots of those in Hollywood...some much smarter than others. I wasn't there...

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/336626/Not-just-a-dumb-blonde

"Marilyn had an IQ of 163 and at a lunch thrown for Dinesen by novelist Carson McCullers she was described as “gay and witty in this company, easily holding her own.”

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Marilyn was dyslexic and bipolar yet she was not unaware of her problems and explored psychoanalysis.

But whatever demons haunted her, the spirit of intellectual enquiry never abandoned her.

Susan Strasberg, daughter of her acting coach Lee Strasberg, said: “When she wasn’t an expert on a subject but wanted to be, she got hold of someone and picked their brains… She collected experts, one on the stock market, one on poetry, one on the world situation.”

As Lois Banner concludes: “These are not the habits of a vapid woman. The realisation that one has more to learn and the thirst for knowledge are the hallmarks of the most intelligent. She may not have had formal schooling but Marilyn was a woman not only self-educated but brilliantly so.”

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I don't know. But she had Borderline Personality Disorder.

It's been shown through her journals and notes that she absolutely was a deep thinker and was very intelligent. She was also extremely business savvy (had script and director approval, started her own production company and independent film company), was very serious about her acting, was a champion of civil rights, was very active in several charities and not all of her movies were dumb bubbly blonde (which he hated playing) roles. She was excellent in Bus Stop and The Misfits.

She was a woman that was treated like shit from the very beginning which subsequently led to some poor decisions when it came to men and a strong desire to finally find love but she was also painfully aware of how others perceived her and tormented by her emotional issues.

JustErin said:

It's been shown through her journals and notes that she absolutely was a deep thinker and was very intelligent. She was also extremely business savvy (had script and director approval, started her own production company and independent film company), was very serious about her acting, was a champion of civil rights, was very active in several charities and not all of her movies were dumb bubbly blonde (which he hated playing) roles. She was excellent in Bus Stop and The Misfits.

She was a woman that was treated like shit from the very beginning which subsequently led to some poor decisions when it came to men and a strong desire to finally find love but she was also painfully aware of how others perceived her and tormented by her emotional issues.

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It's unfortunate to think that if Marilyn had been a man instead, with the same good looks and talent, she would have been taken a lot more seriously and not handled like a "sex kitten" and "dumb blone".

VenusBlingBling said:

JustErin said:

It's been shown through her journals and notes that she absolutely was a deep thinker and was very intelligent. She was also extremely business savvy (had script and director approval, started her own production company and independent film company), was very serious about her acting, was a champion of civil rights, was very active in several charities and not all of her movies were dumb bubbly blonde (which he hated playing) roles. She was excellent in Bus Stop and The Misfits.

She was a woman that was treated like shit from the very beginning which subsequently led to some poor decisions when it came to men and a strong desire to finally find love but she was also painfully aware of how others perceived her and tormented by her emotional issues.

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It's unfortunate to think that if Marilyn had been a man instead, with the same good looks and talent, she would have been taken a lot more seriously and not handled like a "sex kitten" and "dumb blone".

Well, here's the thing. She totally played up that role, knowing full well that it would get her the attention she wanted. What's a shame is that a women needs to go that route at all....but hey, I'm pretty sure most of us are guilty of doing the same in one way or another.

JustErin said:

VenusBlingBling said:

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It's unfortunate to think that if Marilyn had been a man instead, with the same good looks and talent, she would have been taken a lot more seriously and not handled like a "sex kitten" and "dumb blone".

Well, here's the thing. She totally played up that role, knowing full well that it would get her the attention she wanted. What's a shame is that a women needs to go that route at all....but hey, I'm pretty sure most of us are guilty of doing the same in one way or another.

You're right there, she did play along and she got what she wanted... partly. But as you say, Marilyn felt that she had to because she was a woman and I suppose she saw it as the best way forward. Her self esteem didn't seem to have been the best either so maybe she didn't think anyone would care about her if she didn't use her sex appeal. It's unfortunate that many of us women feel that way. Btw, I think it's the exact same tactic Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashion are using. Beneath all those layers of "dumbness", I see smart, business savvy women who simply take advantage of their looks and reputation to get what they want.

noimageatall said:

On love:
My love sleeps besides me—
in the faint light...
but he will look like this when he is dead
oh unbearable fact inevitable
yet sooner would I rather his love die
than/ or him?

That quote is as beautiful as she was

JustErin said:

VenusBlingBling said:

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It's unfortunate to think that if Marilyn had been a man instead, with the same good looks and talent, she would have been taken a lot more seriously and not handled like a "sex kitten" and "dumb blone".

Well, here's the thing. She totally played up that role, knowing full well that it would get her the attention she wanted. What's a shame is that a women needs to go that route at all....but hey, I'm pretty sure most of us are guilty of doing the same in one way or another.

Just like Paris Hilton

I think she was probably more intelligent than people gave her credit for being. (It takes brains to play dumb. See also: Judy Holliday.) But a deep thinker? That, I question.

JustErin said:

VenusBlingBling said:

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It's unfortunate to think that if Marilyn had been a man instead, with the same good looks and talent, she would have been taken a lot more seriously and not handled like a "sex kitten" and "dumb blone".

Well, here's the thing. She totally played up that role, knowing full well that it would get her the attention she wanted. What's a shame is that a women needs to go that route at all....but hey, I'm pretty sure most of us are guilty of doing the same in one way or another.

up until the '60s/'70s women played the weak sex objects. TRUE!!!

but even if they weren't playin, if they showed a passion for livin on

their terms, they were talked about by other women who sat at home

and drank alone, puttin on a front of bein 'happy home makers'

one of the biggest holdbacks to women are other women.

today Erin, your argument is valid.

in the fifties, she was more liberated than most (of that time)

I don't know about her being a deep thinker but she was definitely more intelligent than let on.

I don't get the "she was a symbol of a liberated woman"

ANY actress of the '30s and '40s enjoyed the same privileges/freedom

if anything, Monroe represented (with her roles) those women who COULD but were NOT allowed to liberate/express themselves, hence the "I can be smart when it’s important, but most men don’t like it."

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Isnt there a quote out there bout her "knowing how to play dumb."?

I doubt she was a deep thinker. More like a deep throater.

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I honestly don't get all the hoopla surrounding her. Never have.

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She was anything but "liberated". She was spiritually in a very dark place. BOUND TO THE MAX!

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And what is this supposed to mean? "I can be smart when it’s important, but most men don’t like it."

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Dear Marilyn,

Either you're using men as an excuse to act / be dumb, you have a very negative impression of men in general, OR, you're socializing with the wrong men. TRUE!

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I honestly have YET to know a man who wants his woman to be dumb (or act stupid). I'm sure they're out there but I highly doubt that's the "norm". I give men A LOT MORE credit than that. I think most intelligent men thoroughly enjoy a woman who's intelligent, can carry on interesting conversations & has a terrific sense of humor. Big boobs and talking stupid can only take you so far in life. SHALLOW!

JoeTyler said:

I don't get the "she was a symbol of a liberated woman"

ANY actress of the '30s and '40s enjoyed the same privileges/freedom

if anything, Monroe represented (with her roles) those women who COULD but were NOT allowed to liberate/express themselves, hence the "I can be smart when it’s important, but most men don’t like it."

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I often see her being referred to as a "liberated woman" on Tumblr but I don't get what was so liberating about her.

Remember...she lived in the 50s. Not a great time for women's lib. Women today are still suffering through abuse by partners, molestation, rape, rights to our own bodies being taken away...think about what it was like back then without the progress we've made today.

Anyway, I thought this was an informative article...

http://www.vanityfair.com...roe-201011

lazycrockett said:

Isnt there a quote out there bout her "knowing how to play dumb."?

Judy Holliday said,

You have to be smart to play a dumb blonde over and over and keep the audience's attention without extraordinary physical equipment.

She had an IQ of 172.

Genesia said:

lazycrockett said:

Isnt there a quote out there bout her "knowing how to play dumb."?

Judy Holliday said,

You have to be smart to play a dumb blonde over and over and keep the audience's attention without extraordinary physical equipment.

She had an IQ of 172.

N Judy played dumb wonderfuly. Just watched Adam's Rib a couple days ago.

Genesia said:

lazycrockett said:

Isnt there a quote out there bout her "knowing how to play dumb."?

Judy Holliday said,

You have to be smart to play a dumb blonde over and over and keep the audience's attention without extraordinary physical equipment.

She had an IQ of 172.

wow, really?

I'm not denying it, it's just that it's puzzling that a person with an IQ of 172 became ...just an actor, no offense...

Everyone needs to read this entire article. It's very good & many of the things that are written there I've either heard about or read previously. She was a real piece of work.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2062542/Marilyn-Monroe-talentless-lazy-self-absorbed-model-todays-C-listers.html

JoeTyler said:

Genesia said:

Judy Holliday said,

You have to be smart to play a dumb blonde over and over and keep the audience's attention without extraordinary physical equipment.

She had an IQ of 172.

wow, really?

I'm not denying it, it's just that it's puzzling that a person with an IQ of 172 became ...just an actor, no offense...

I cant find any info, but I thought she invented some sort of mathamatic something that helped in WW2. But I may have her confused with another starlet.

Tempest said:

Everyone needs to read this entire article. It's very good & many of the things that are written there I've either heard about or read previously. She was a real piece of work.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2062542/Marilyn-Monroe-talentless-lazy-self-absorbed-model-todays-C-listers.html

we get it... you dont like her... Ive only heard 2 people in my life who displayed such dislike for someone they didnt know (Marilyn Monroe)... One was my Mother in law... Who is a TOTAL judgemental bitch... And then theres you...

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Obviously, you don't know many people. I know LOTS of people who have no time for Marilyn. She was a screwed up mess. I have no disdain for her. I just don't get the cult thing. There's no substance to the woman. She was a total mess. I love how people jump on people here at the Org who don't share their cult like adoration of screwballs. Beyond strange.

Tempest said:

Obviously, you don't know many people. I know LOTS of people who have no time for Marilyn. She was a screwed up mess. I have no disdain for her. I just don't get the cult thing. There's no substance to the woman. She was a total mess. I love how people jump on people here at the Org who don't share their cult like adoration of screwballs. Beyond strange.