Tempest said:

I'm crazy? The middle ages? Right.

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Well, Yeshua believed in demons and cast them out many times (ie. Mark 16:15).

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He told his followers to do the same. (ie. Mark 16:15).

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If Yeshua believed in them & cast them out, then I guess I'm in good company.

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I suppose you're going to tell me that Yeshua was crazy too?

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If you wanna see crazy, look in a mirror.

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Middle ages?

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Yeshua & the demons He cast out were LONG before the middle ages. So, there goes the middle ages theory.

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What did the demons just go away forever when He no longer walked the planet?

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It's wise not to speak authoritatively about things you don't have a clue about.

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Same goes for you.

Dave1992 said:

Tempest said:

The woman got herself into her sinful "condition". Obviously, no one should have filmed her however she's responsible for her own downfall. I didn't watch the video but it sounds like someone totally out of her skull. If she was on drugs, writhing in the streets and fingering herself in public, that's demonic. What she needs is deliverance and I highly doubt any of those people standing about filming (etc.) were up to the task. Were they able to call the cops? YES. And, should have.

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That "poor thing" got herself into her condition. Let's hold her accountable for her own outrageous behavior. She didn't get that way from being a "good girl." There are some seriously strong demonic forces attached to sexual sin. SERIOUSLY strong & EXTREMELY vile. She got herself into that predicament through her own sin, promiscuity & porn "career".

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I know Orgers are going to throw stones at me for bringing up the demonic but I'm just telling it like it is. I've seen sexual demonic activity in action with my own 2 eyes. I've prayed for people with serious sexual issues that wanted help. These things are VERY real and nothing to fool around with.

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There are no such things as "demons" or "demonic behaviour". It's a typical christian - catholic and/or American protestant - misbelief which stems from the middle ages.

I wasn't going to go here but I will...

That's what you think, other have and believe differently. The word opinion, should be emphasized. That being said...

That situation in my opinion has nothing to do with what Tempest has defined as "demonic" behavior but with self-destructive behaviour. That video wasn't funny or "hot" it was just pathetic and sad. Ms. Vargas may be struggling with some serious issues, that wouldn't surprise me considering the industry she works in. As other mentioned, the fact that folks flipped out their phones, press record, and laughed about what they were seeing was just as disturbing to me as her hedonistic exhibitionism.

"Let's hold her accountable for her own outrageous behavior."

Are you serious Tempest? What do you want to do? Stone Vargas to death? Shake you finger in Vargas' face? What about compassion? She may not believe in GOD, does that mean Vargas should not have be helped? Some one should have gotten that woman out of the damn street, she could have been ran over by a car.

People are walking contradictions, we don't always live by what we say we believe in. People justify shit away that suit their needs often. I've seen the Bible thumper's drape themselves in "The Word" to do all type of evil in the name of the Lord. Just as I've seen self proclaimed agnostics and atheist admit they've called on or prayed when they were in a bad spot. " I ain't religious but I prayed that night ...." Contradictions and hypocrisy can and does flow both ways. My two cents.

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databank said:

Tempest said:

I'm crazy? The middle ages? Right.

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Well, Yeshua believed in demons and cast them out many times (ie. Mark 16:15).

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He told his followers to do the same. (ie. Mark 16:15).

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If Yeshua believed in them & cast them out, then I guess I'm in good company.

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I suppose you're going to tell me that Yeshua was crazy too?

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If you wanna see crazy, look in a mirror.

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Middle ages?

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Yeshua & the demons He cast out were LONG before the middle ages. So, there goes the middle ages theory.

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What did the demons just go away forever when He no longer walked the planet?

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It's wise not to speak authoritatively about things you don't have a clue about.

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[Edited 10/31/13 3:40am]

I didn't say YOU are crazy I said that what you SAY is crazy. It's very different.

I believe in God, I may add, so atheism is not the issue here. But there are no such things as demons or the Devil: these things in the Bible are METAPHORS. The Devil and the demons are US. There are a SYMBOL of our most pathetic instincts and self degradation, of the evil WE can do to others and ourselves. As long as we'll keep putting away OUR responsibilities for OUR actions on God, angels, the Devil and Demons, we'll keep evading the whole point of that goddamn book! I don't necessarly deny that there may be some spiritual beings roaming here and there, ghosts, souls between 2 incarnations, whatever, and I don't care whether they exist or not, what I know is that we must take responsibility for our actions! If someone is insane that's called a psychiatric issue but it's not the Devil. If someone is into self destruction or the destruction of others and isn't mentally ill it's then a matter of morality and one's own ethic values. But demons don't possess us no more than Jesus saves us. WE doom ourselves and WE save ourselves, because neither God not any other real or imaginary magic creatures can make our decisions at our place.

+ If you start taking the things in the holy scriptures literally then that's a ticket straight back to the Dark Ages or a theocratic terror à la Talibans. The Bible is a goddamn METAPHOR! So is the Quran and each and every one of these holy books from every religion.

Now I know perfectly that I've just wasted my time writing this and that I won't change a single thing in what you believe no matter what I say, so don't even waste you time in return trying to tell me how wrong I am or why I'm wrong, I just said it because in my soul I feel I have to tell these things, to fight for a long overdue holy marriage between religion and rationality, spirituality and logic, because even if the person I'm debating with is never the one who's gonna believe my words, someone else may overhear

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I'm a HUGE advocate for personal responsibility. HUGE, HUGE, HUGE, HUGE!

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The Bible & the entities within are NOT metaphors. They're real, living & active.

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I'm not putting anything off on anything. If you go back & read from the start, I said that the woman writhing in the street is responsible for her own condition. Drugs & demons were not forced on her. She was a willing participant. Sin opened the door. Demons just don't jump on people and take over for no reason. There's always a spiritual reason behind the entry. Habitual sin tops the chart. They have a legal right to enter under those conditions.

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Yes, there's no point in me debating anything with you. And, I won't.

tinaz said:

DATABANK!! you are a voice of reason!! thank you!!

Tempest said:

databank said:

I didn't say YOU are crazy I said that what you SAY is crazy. It's very different.

I believe in God, I may add, so atheism is not the issue here. But there are no such things as demons or the Devil: these things in the Bible are METAPHORS. The Devil and the demons are US. There are a SYMBOL of our most pathetic instincts and self degradation, of the evil WE can do to others and ourselves. As long as we'll keep putting away OUR responsibilities for OUR actions on God, angels, the Devil and Demons, we'll keep evading the whole point of that goddamn book! I don't necessarly deny that there may be some spiritual beings roaming here and there, ghosts, souls between 2 incarnations, whatever, and I don't care whether they exist or not, what I know is that we must take responsibility for our actions! If someone is insane that's called a psychiatric issue but it's not the Devil. If someone is into self destruction or the destruction of others and isn't mentally ill it's then a matter of morality and one's own ethic values. But demons don't possess us no more than Jesus saves us. WE doom ourselves and WE save ourselves, because neither God not any other real or imaginary magic creatures can make our decisions at our place.

+ If you start taking the things in the holy scriptures literally then that's a ticket straight back to the Dark Ages or a theocratic terror à la Talibans. The Bible is a goddamn METAPHOR! So is the Quran and each and every one of these holy books from every religion.

Now I know perfectly that I've just wasted my time writing this and that I won't change a single thing in what you believe no matter what I say, so don't even waste you time in return trying to tell me how wrong I am or why I'm wrong, I just said it because in my soul I feel I have to tell these things, to fight for a long overdue holy marriage between religion and rationality, spirituality and logic, because even if the person I'm debating with is never the one who's gonna believe my words, someone else may overhear

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I'm a HUGE advocate for personal responsibility. HUGE, HUGE, HUGE, HUGE!

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The Bible & the entities within are NOT metaphors. They're real, living & active.

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I'm not putting anything off on anything. If you go back & read from the start, I said that the woman writhing in the street is responsible for her own condition. Drugs & demons were not forced on her. She was a willing participant. Sin opened the door. Demons just don't jump on people and take over for no reason. There's always a spiritual reason behind the entry. Habitual sin tops the chart. They have a legal right to enter under those conditions.

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Yes, there's no point in me debating anything with you. And, I won't.

I love u nonetheless

TD3 said:

Dave1992 said:

There are no such things as "demons" or "demonic behaviour". It's a typical christian - catholic and/or American protestant - misbelief which stems from the middle ages.

I wasn't going to go here but I will...

That's what you think, other have and believe differently. The word opinion, should be emphasized. That being said...

That situation in my opinion has nothing to do with what Tempest has defined as "demonic" behavior but with self-destructive behaviour. That video wasn't funny or "hot" it was just pathetic and sad. Ms. Vargas may be struggling with some serious issues and that wouldn't surprise me considering the industry she works in. As other mentioned, the fact that folks flipped out their phones, press record, and laughed about what they were seeing was just as disturbing to me as her hedonistic exhibitionism.

"Let's hold her accountable for her own outrageous behavior."

Are you serious Tempest? What do you want to do? Stone Vargas to death? Shake you finger in Vargas' face? What about compassion? She may not believe in GOD, does that mean Vargas should not have be helped? Some one should have gotten that woman out of the damn street, she could have been ran over by a car.

People are walking contradictions, we don't always live by what we say we believe in. People justify shit away that suit their needs often. I've seen the Bible thumper's drape themselves in "The Word" to do all type of evil in the name of the Lord. Just as I've seen self proclaimed agnostics and atheist admit they've called on or prayed when they were in a bad spot. " I ain't religious but I prayed that night ...." Contradictions and hypocrisy can and does flow both ways.

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You try getting a naked, drugged out demonized person off the street sometime. OK? Have you ever come in contact with one when in full manifestation? I highly doubt it. Would you know what to do? Or, how to control people under demonic control like that? I highly doubt it. Let's not forget that she was naked as well. Do you want to get involved with being accused of trying to rape her, feel her out or or the like in public? You don't think people were concerned about what they may be accused of if they try to grab ahold of her & restrain her? Calling the police was the correct thing to do because no one standing around her had a friggin' clue what to do or how to handle it.

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Don't lecture me about compassion. When was the last time you got in the trenches, prayed for the sick for hours and cast out demons? Please spare me the BS. It's getting old.

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Stymie said:

Tempest said:

I'm crazy? The middle ages? Right.

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Well, Yeshua believed in demons and cast them out many times (ie. Mark 16:15).

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He told his followers to do the same. (ie. Mark 16:15).

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If Yeshua believed in them & cast them out, then I guess I'm in good company.

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I suppose you're going to tell me that Yeshua was crazy too?

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If you wanna see crazy, look in a mirror.

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Middle ages?

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Yeshua & the demons He cast out were LONG before the middle ages. So, there goes the middle ages theory.

*

What did the demons just go away forever when He no longer walked the planet?

*

It's wise not to speak authoritatively about things you don't have a clue about.

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Same goes for you.

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I prolly have a better clue than you sweetheart. When was the last time you cast out a demon? It's obvious you study the Bible often. Not.

Tempest said:

Stymie said:

Same goes for you.

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I prolly have a better clue than you sweetheart. When was the last time you cast out a demon? It's obvious you study the Bible often. Not.

Since you seem to be a professionnal exorcist why don't you tell us about your experiences? Don't speak in general, don't quote the Bible. Tell us exactly what happened, tell us which demons you cast out, from whom, when, how, every detail... You won't convince anyone with vague concepts, now if you have interesting, factual first hands experiences to share I'm all ears

TonyVanDam said:

728huey said:

Even if she is a porn star and was looking for publicity, she looked like she was high on something while masturbating, because she was rolling around in the middle of the street, and other people were trying to cover her up. I could see a stunt like this at spring beak someplace, but even in New York City this kind of stuff would be uncalled for in public.

.......not to mention that she is giving invitation to potential rapists.

My apologies to every woman that find THIS^ statement out of order, but I'm calling this controversy for what it is.

Rape is rape. Stupidity is never an invitation or a justification to rape... that's some men bullshit excuse. Healthy men wake up with a hard firm erection every morning. So, should men be able justify why a woman could be raped? It is what it is.

databank said:

Tempest said:

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I prolly have a better clue than you sweetheart. When was the last time you cast out a demon? It's obvious you study the Bible often. Not.

Since you seem to be a professionnal exorcist why don't you tell us about your experiences? Don't speak in general, don't quote the Bible. Tell us exactly what happened, tell us which demons you cast out, from whom, when, how, every detail... You won't convince anyone with vague concepts, now if you have interesting, factual first hands experiences to share I'm all ears

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I'll keep my stories to myself. I'm happy to share (and do share) with those who are humble, curious and seeking God's glory. I refuse to share with smart asses & those that denigrate God's people, His power & His word. In other words, I don't cast my pearls before swine. Matthew 7:6

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Have a nice day.

I'll add that I used to be more open to these things when I was younger. Then I realized 2 things: as recently as one century ago Europe was full of ghost and possessions stories, first hands experiences but now very few people go through supernatural experiences. It still happen every once in a while that someone witnesses strange things, I know people who've been thru odd experiences, it even happened to me a few times, but it's very rare and even what I've seen may just be odd coincidences for all I know. And then I travelled to many developping countries in Asia, and I now live in India. There, strangely, possessions and ghosts and curses are still parts of many peoples daily life. So I thought: isn't it strange that these things happen so commonly in countries and times where and when religion and superstition are HUGE, and that just because people get more educated and less religious they stop happening? If these things were all REAL wouldn't they keep happening every day in the West? I mean just because people will quit believing in thunder and lightnings, lightnings won't stop striking Earth or become less common, will they?

So even if such things and such creatures exist, we'd have to admit that these manifestations are highly exceptionnal, that it's one in a million, and that the rest is just hallucinations and mass hysteria.

Tempest said:

Stymie said:

Same goes for you.

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I prolly have a better clue than you sweetheart. When was the last time you cast out a demon? It's obvious you study the Bible often. Not.

Since I don't believe there is such a thing as a demon, I can tell I have not cast out any. There is no proof such a thing exists so..........

You have zero idea what I know about the bible. Like I said your words apply to you as well.

People such as you push people away from believing instead of bringing them closer.

Who the hell are you to try to tell anyone what's wrong with them when you clearly have your own issues?

Tempest said:

databank said:

Since you seem to be a professionnal exorcist why don't you tell us about your experiences? Don't speak in general, don't quote the Bible. Tell us exactly what happened, tell us which demons you cast out, from whom, when, how, every detail... You won't convince anyone with vague concepts, now if you have interesting, factual first hands experiences to share I'm all ears

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I'll keep my stories to myself. I'm happy to share (and do share) with those who are humble, curious and seeking God's glory. I refuse to share with smart asses & those that denigrate God's people, His power & His word. In other words, I don't cast my pearls before swine. Matthew 7:6

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Have a nice day.

In other words, you are lying.

Databank comes off as genuinely interested in what you have to share and just like the hypocrite you are, you back down.

Tempest said:

databank said:

Since you seem to be a professionnal exorcist why don't you tell us about your experiences? Don't speak in general, don't quote the Bible. Tell us exactly what happened, tell us which demons you cast out, from whom, when, how, every detail... You won't convince anyone with vague concepts, now if you have interesting, factual first hands experiences to share I'm all ears

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I'll keep my stories to myself. I'm happy to share (and do share) with those who are humble, curious and seeking God's glory. I refuse to share with smart asses & those that denigrate God's people, His power & His word. In other words, I don't cast my pearls before swine. Matthew 7:6

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Have a nice day.

How convenient It's like that girl who came a few months ago, claiming to be an ex Prince employee and cursing him every day on every thread but who never accepted to say who she was or even tell us a single little story or fact about Prince and why he was so evil GIVE ME A BREAK!

+ true believers should start by learning one thing before all: humility. We are all God's creatures, each and every one of us "swines", and God doesn't love you more tha he loves us, so if you can help a soul to get closer to him please swallow you pride and "do the work".

+ if you know a single fact isn't it your duty to cast your pearls before the swine? Did Jesus hesitate to cast his pearls before the swine, knowing that 1 out of 1000 people would believe him and knowing that he'll die on the cross eventually for opening his mouth. Didn't Bahah'u'llah spend most of his life in jail for speaking the word of God? It was a lot less safe in these times to cast one's pearls before the swine than to do it on a Prince forum under a pseudonym in 2013, still they felt it was their holy duty to fight in the name of God and speak his word no matter whether one or 1000 would listen. The less you owe them is to do the same from the safety of your home.

I still love u, though

Tempest said:

TD3 said:

I wasn't going to go here but I will...

That's what you think, other have and believe differently. The word opinion, should be emphasized. That being said...

That situation in my opinion has nothing to do with what Tempest has defined as "demonic" behavior but with self-destructive behaviour. That video wasn't funny or "hot" it was just pathetic and sad. Ms. Vargas may be struggling with some serious issues and that wouldn't surprise me considering the industry she works in. As other mentioned, the fact that folks flipped out their phones, press record, and laughed about what they were seeing was just as disturbing to me as her hedonistic exhibitionism.

"Let's hold her accountable for her own outrageous behavior."

Are you serious Tempest? What do you want to do? Stone Vargas to death? Shake you finger in Vargas' face? What about compassion? She may not believe in GOD, does that mean Vargas should not have be helped? Some one should have gotten that woman out of the damn street, she could have been ran over by a car.

People are walking contradictions, we don't always live by what we say we believe in. People justify shit away that suit their needs often. I've seen the Bible thumper's drape themselves in "The Word" to do all type of evil in the name of the Lord. Just as I've seen self proclaimed agnostics and atheist admit they've called on or prayed when they were in a bad spot. " I ain't religious but I prayed that night ...." Contradictions and hypocrisy can and does flow both ways.

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You try getting a naked, drugged out demonized person off the street sometime. OK? Have you ever come in contact with one when in full manifestation? I highly doubt it. Would you know what to do? Or, how to control people under demonic control like that? I highly doubt it. Let's not forget that she was naked as well. Do you want to get involved with being accused of trying to rape her, feel her out or or the like in public? You don't think people were concerned about what they may be accused of if they try to grab ahold of her & restrain her? Calling the police was the correct thing to do because no one standing around her had a friggin' clue what to do or how to handle it.

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Don't lecture me about compassion. When was the last time you got in the trenches, prayed for the sick for hours and cast out demons? Please spare me the BS. It's getting old.

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Getting involved could have been something as simple and non threatening as calling the police. If it makes you feel in better, maybe some one should have yelled out "the blood of Jesus" as they dialed 911. Get a grip! Ain't nobody lecturing you on compassion but since you've mentioned it, you appear to be void of it. Even more disturbing, having common sense seems to have eluded you as well. Last time I prayed? I just finished praying for you.

Here's a Scripture to ponder for the day. You think Yeshua just went around healing everyone at anytime? Doing miracles in front of everyone whenever he pleased? WRONG! In his own hometown of Nazareth, BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBELIEF (which includes unbelief, mocking, making fun of, etc) he could do NO MIGHT WORK there.

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So, if you're under the impression that Yeshua just went around doing whatever and in front of whoever, you're wrong. UNBELIEF, mocking, making fun of God & His power, His people, taunting etc., Yeshua Himself could do no mighty work. When you mock God, you get what you asked for. . . . . NOTHING!

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Jesus Rejected at Nazareth (from Mark 6)

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He went away from there and came to chis hometown, and his disciples followed him. 2 And on the Sabbath he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things? What is the wisdom given to him? How are such mighty works done by his hands? 3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?” And ithey took offense at him. 4 And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.” 5 And he could do no mighty work there, except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6 And he marveled because of their unbelief.

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I'm marveling at all of you too.

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He preached to the masses but shared his secrets with his close friends.

To me the true lost souls of this world are the followers of organized religion. Pretty sad really.

JustErin said:

To me the true lost souls of this world are the followers of organized religion. Pretty sad really.

Which is why I chose to follow a DISorganized religion

WOW, is this still in GD? i'm surprised.

can't say i DON'T KNOW THE BIBLE,

no, i don't do the quote thing, HOWEVER,

there are several books that didn't make it to the bible,

there are books written by joseph's other son, and

cousins of jesus that spoke of his childhood

and books that give women equal standings to men.

due to political restraint AND the fact the jesus as a child

did a couple of things that were childish it was deemed that it

would be best to gloss over those things.

shit, if they kept all the things that were to be in the bible in,

nobody coulda carried the book.

it's kinda fun to GENERALY DISCUSS religion in GD

KingBAD said:

WOW, is this still in GD? i'm surprised.

can't say i DON'T KNOW THE BIBLE,

no, i don't do the quote thing, HOWEVER,

there are several books that didn't make it to the bible,

there are books written by joseph's other son, and

cousins of jesus that spoke of his childhood

and books that give women equal standings to men.

due to political restraint AND the fact the jesus as a child

did a couple of things that were childish it was deemed that it

would be best to gloss over those things.

shit, if they kept all the things that were to be in the bible in,

nobody coulda carried the book.

The Bible would have been several volumes. The King James Edition is a cliff-note versions of the Gospels.

KingBAD said:

WOW, is this still in GD? i'm surprised.

can't say i DON'T KNOW THE BIBLE,

no, i don't do the quote thing, HOWEVER,

there are several books that didn't make it to the bible,

there are books written by joseph's other son, and

cousins of jesus that spoke of his childhood

and books that give women equal standings to men.

due to political restraint AND the fact the jesus as a child

did a couple of things that were childish it was deemed that it

would be best to gloss over those things.

shit, if they kept all the things that were to be in the bible in,

nobody coulda carried the book.

Historically speaking the value of the 4 canonical Gospels is very controversial, since they were most likely written by second, third or even fourth hand witnesses, at dates that may be as far as 100+ years after the death of Christ. Therefore it is very unlikely that what they depict is an accurate telling of the factual life of the historical figure of Jesus. My take on that is that we don't care, that if u're a christian, despite knowing that, u'll assume that:

1/ the writers were inspired by God.

2/ the people who chose which gospels were canonical and which weren't were inspired by God.

3/ therefore, this is the message Christ wanted to be passed on about himself.

4/Therefore, the 4 gospels are the word of God.

In other words it's probably and for the most part a fairie tale loosely based on true events but believing in the divine value of the story these gospels tell is an act of faith, not the act of an historian. And the value of these texts is spiritual, not historical. It's the same with Siddharta Gautama: the dude never wrote a line and what he really did and say has most likely been distorted and exagerated before it was first written in stone. Nonetheless Buddhism is an amazingly enlightened philosophy. That's why I keep saying that all this is a bunch of metaphors and that we don't give a fuck whether what it says is true or not factually speaking. I mean I know there are still creationists in 2013 but we just happen to KNOW that the world wasn't created in 7 days: there is no possible doubt about this. And obviously that whole apple story with Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden makes no sense at all either if taken first degree. Now will a christian dismiss these stories because they are not historically accurate? Obviously not. And if you start to wonder what the Genesis tells us about God and the human soul, you'll probably realizes that it tells us many insightful things, but only if you care enough to read between the lines. If you don't, you may just as well take Snow White and the 7 Dwarves and say it happened for real and make it a religion

All speaking GENERALLY of course, since this is GD

databank said:

KingBAD said:

WOW, is this still in GD? i'm surprised.

can't say i DON'T KNOW THE BIBLE,

no, i don't do the quote thing, HOWEVER,

there are several books that didn't make it to the bible,

there are books written by joseph's other son, and

cousins of jesus that spoke of his childhood

and books that give women equal standings to men.

due to political restraint AND the fact the jesus as a child

did a couple of things that were childish it was deemed that it

would be best to gloss over those things.

shit, if they kept all the things that were to be in the bible in,

nobody coulda carried the book.

Historically speaking the value of the 4 canonical Gospels is very controversial, since they were most likely written by second, third or even fourth hand witnesses, at dates that may be as far as 100+ years after the death of Christ. Therefore it is very unlikely that what they depict is an accurate telling of the factual life of the historical figure of Jesus. My take on that is that we don't care, that if u're a christian, despite knowing that, u'll assume that:

1/ the writers were inspired by God.

2/ the people who chose which gospels were canonical and which weren't were inspired by God.

3/ therefore, this is the message Christ wanted to be passed on about himself.

4/Therefore, the 4 gospels are the word of God.

In other words it's probably and for the most part a fairie tale loosely based on true events but believing in the divine value of the story these gospels tell is an act of faith, not the act of an historian. And the value of these texts is spiritual, not historical. It's the same with Siddharta Gautama: the dude never wrote a line and what he really did and say has most likely been distorted and exagerated before it was first written in stone. Nonetheless Buddhism is an amazingly enlightened philosophy. That's why I keep saying that all this is a bunch of metaphors and that we don't give a fuck whether what it says is true or not factually speaking. I mean I know there are still creationists in 2013 but we just happen to KNOW that the world wasn't created in 7 days: there is no possible doubt about this. And obviously that whole apple story with Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden makes no sense at all either if taken first degree. Now will a christian dismiss these stories because they are not historically accurate? Obviously not. And if you start to wonder what the Genesis tells us about God and the human soul, you'll probably realizes that it tells us many insightful things, but only if you care enough to read between the lines. If you don't, you may just as well take Snow White and the 7 Dwarves and say it happened for real and make it a religion

All speaking GENERALLY of course, since this is GD

WHAOH, WHAOH, WHAOH....

are you sayin Snowhite and the Seven Drwarves is fake???

you blind fukker, eat an apple

heheheheEdit

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Back in my day, religion was the last thing that came to mind when a woman masturbated in the street

orger said:

Back in my day, religion was the last thing that came to mind when a woman masturbated in the street

Stymie said:

Tempest said:

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I'll keep my stories to myself. I'm happy to share (and do share) with those who are humble, curious and seeking God's glory. I refuse to share with smart asses & those that denigrate God's people, His power & His word. In other words, I don't cast my pearls before swine. Matthew 7:6

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Have a nice day.

In other words, you are lying.

Databank comes off as genuinely interested in what you have to share and just like the hypocrite you are, you back down.

The funny thing is that I was really genuinely interested: come with me with vague foggy concepts and you'll bore me to death, but come with me with a story, something you claim to have experienced by yourself and I will sincerely be interested and most likely believe you - no matter how odd your story - unless I have proof you're lying (or unless you're an obvious madman or mythomaniac but this is something I can tell only in real life, not thru an internet thread). So basically she could have told me the most insane exorcism story, I'd have believed every word she'd have said and certainly not have mocked her. But since I'm a swine...

orger said:

Back in my day, religion was the last thing that came to mind when a woman masturbated in the street

orger said:

Back in my day, religion was the last thing that came to mind when a woman masturbated in the street