morningsong said:

I watch his movies and I enjoy them, including this last one. But I've hardly ever seen him personally in interviews, so I was under the impression it was the whole jumping on the couch on Oprah that got people, especially women, not liking him so much anymore, the whole getting overly excited about dumping the old wife in exchange for the brand new shiny new wife. I don't know. I still watch his movies, I just don't watch him too closely, he's cute and all but he really doesn't register on my radar. Plus he just strikes me as being really overly intense and tightly strung, not my cup of tea.

Yeah some folks were a little uneasy about that.

hate takes a lot of energy.

I'm not all the impressed with his acting. I think Cruise would have been better served if he had been a character actor... a little of him goes a long country mile way. I never forgave him for making the "Mission Impossible"e trilogy a fucking joke. M.I. trilogy should have never "aped" the classic TV series, that hot mess he pushed out should have been call, Tom Cruise Does The Impossible Again, and Again. Good grief.

Even so...

I don't get the hate either and I never saw why soooo many folks got their bras and bvd's in a bunch because he was excited about being in love.. jumping on a couch. If Cruise had come on Winfrey Show and talked about ex-wives like a dog, I swear a lot of folks would've ate it up and not objected.

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I believe the distrust of Scientology, the over enthusiastic Oprah moment tied in with the Brooke Shields debacle led a good chunk of the public to not like Tom Cruise. Also, those holier than though Scientology videos that hit the web showing his disdain for those that are not following Scientology.

Tom Cruise was used in my acting class as an example of what not to do when acting. The problem with Tom is that he acts he doesn't be the character (see Daniel Day Lewis).

To show his limitations as an actor one just needs to see him grind his teeth to show that his character is "angry"-(That's acting not being.)

War of The Worlds is a good example of his limited skills, not that he doesn't have his moments, but they are few and far between.

kewlschool said:

I believe the distrust of Scientology, the over enthusiastic Oprah moment tied in with the Brooke Shields debacle led a good chunk of the public to not like Tom Cruise. Also, those holier than though Scientology videos that hit the web showing his disdain for those that are not following Scientology.

Tom Cruise was used in my acting class as an example of what not to do when acting. The problem with Tom is that he acts he doesn't be the character (see Daniel Day Lewis).

To show his limitations as an actor one just needs to see him grind his teeth to show that his character is "angry"-(That's acting not being.)

War of The Worlds is a good example of his limited skills, not that he doesn't have his moments, but they are few and far between.

but he has never said he's a great actor, that's what I meant, the guy knows his place, he's a star, not a great actor, as far as I can remember, he has never bitched about "not being nominated/respected enough"

deep down, I believe that he mocks the whole celebrity circus, but at the same time he loves the money it represents, he's a charming cynic, no more and no less

kewlschool said:

kewlschool said:

I believe the distrust of Scientology, the over enthusiastic Oprah moment tied in with the Brooke Shields debacle led a good chunk of the public to not like Tom Cruise. Also, those holier than though Scientology videos that hit the web showing his disdain for those that are not following Scientology.

Tom Cruise was used in my acting class as an example of what not to do when acting. The problem with Tom is that he acts he doesn't be the character (see Daniel Day Lewis).

To show his limitations as an actor one just needs to see him grind his teeth to show that his character is "angry"-(That's acting not being.)

War of The Worlds is a good example of his limited skills, not that he doesn't have his moments, but they are few and far between.

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I remember the Oprah moment on the sofa. I think I saw it on YouTube after the fact cuz everyone was chatting about it. It was odd.

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I haven't seen any of the Scientology videos (thank goodness). Have no desire to do so. Therefore, I'll take your word for it on those. Obviously, disdain isn't good. Like I mentioned previously, I think Tom comes across as brainwashed. Sad but true.

Scientology, thing? Folks may not agree or distrust their faith but nobodies putting a gun to any-ones head insisting you believe or join their religion. Religious bigotry... perhaps? Scientology seems strange to me but their religion hasn't been responsible for killing millions of people around the world (as we speak) as monotheistic religions have been. Live and let live... Mr. Cruise apologized to Ms. Shields for his remarks. If Shields was able to let it go than folks who don't know the man should let it go too.

lazycrockett said:

Every role though is Tom Cruise as <insert character>. Ive never walked out of a TC movie having been lost in a performance of his. I mean half way thru Julia & Julie, Meryl stops being Meryl and become Julia Child. Now I know thats a high bar for TC to bear, but I don't think I ever seen him lost in a character.

Have you seen him in 'Tropic Thunder'? I never thought he could be so damn funny. Besides that, he's most definitely NOT Tom Cruise as that character.

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TD3 said:

I Love Tom Cruise the actor and have just about every movie on dvd.

The Oprah event for me was embarressing from Nicole, I was not please but it only stayed with me for the time I watched it. Afterwards I was like on to the next movie.

I could give a damn about the Scientology

I think he is fine as hell especially in MI 2 When he flips that fucking bike around and starts shooting...oh yeah that has been viewed several times. If you are a real die hard like my sister for the original Mission series then yeah I can understand the critques, especially killing off the whole crew in the first one....I was even like WTF, BUT they are entertaining on thier own.

I look forward to the running in his movies cuz ya know it's coming. For the most part all I hear is how folks can't stand him. When I ask why they usually say the Oprah incident...I'm like let that shit go already

kewlschool said:

Tom Cruise was used in my acting class as an example of what not to do when acting. The problem with Tom is that he acts he doesn't be the character (see Daniel Day Lewis).

To show his limitations as an actor one just needs to see him grind his teeth to show that his character is "angry"-(That's acting not being.)

War of The Worlds is a good example of his limited skills, not that he doesn't have his moments, but they are few and far between.

That's Jack Nicholson and Robert DiNero lately as well (although DiNero was better in Silver Linings Playbook). Not to mention guys like Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury? No...Samuel L. Jackson in an eyepatch lol)...Ryan Renolds, Whoopi Goldberg...hell, damn near 95% of Hollywood, actually.

TD3 said:

Scientology, thing? Folks may not agree or distrust their faith but nobodies putting a gun to any-ones head insisting you believe or join their religion. Religious bigotry... perhaps? Scientology seems strange to me but their religion hasn't been responsible for killing millions of people around the world (as we speak) as monotheistic religions have been. Live and let live... Mr. Cruise apologized to Ms. Shields for his remarks. If Shields was able to let it go than folks who don't know the man should let it go too.

He apologized because he hurt his friend, not because he didn't mean what he said.

Stymie said:

TD3 said:

Scientology, thing? Folks may not agree or distrust their faith but nobodies putting a gun to any-ones head insisting you believe or join their religion. Religious bigotry... perhaps? Scientology seems strange to me but their religion hasn't been responsible for killing millions of people around the world (as we speak) as monotheistic religions have been. Live and let live... Mr. Cruise apologized to Ms. Shields for his remarks. If Shields' was able to let it go than folks who don't know the man should let it go too.

He apologized because he hurt his friend, not because he didn't mean what he said.

That's very true..

I recall him saying something about regretting his tone... his dismissiveness of Shields' point of view.

TD3 said:

Stymie said:

He apologized because he hurt his friend, not because he didn't mean what he said.

That's very true..

I recall him saying something about regretting his tone... his dismissiveness of Shields' point of view.

I have no problem with whatever people want to believe but the moment you start spouting your point of view as the right one, I am done fucking with you.

Stymie said:

TD3 said:

That's very true..

I recall him saying something about regretting his tone... his dismissiveness of Shields' point of view.

I have no problem with whatever people want to believe but the moment you start spouting your point of view as the right one, I am done fucking with you.

Look, that's my point of view and I'm right dammit.

Well, know that I've killed another friendship, I guess I'll go back to rent-a-friend.com.

Joking aside, agree to disagree and keep it moving. It takes opinionated folks a long time to grasp that concept... I personally wouldn't know anything about that though.

TD3 said:

Scientology, thing? Folks may not agree or distrust their faith but nobodies putting a gun to any-ones head insisting you believe or join their religion. Religious bigotry... perhaps? Scientology seems strange to me but their religion hasn't been responsible for killing millions of people around the world (as we speak) as monotheistic religions have been. Live and let live... Mr. Cruise apologized to Ms. Shields for his remarks. If Shields was able to let it go than folks who don't know the man should let it go too.

I agree. I'm actually okay with whatever religion makes him happy. I have to also be honest, the "reasons" why people wanna hate Tom don't seem right. That said, I couldn't see myself in Scientology or jumping on couches but hey. Least his career hasn't hit the tubes like another 1980s movie star we know of who burned his own bridges. *coughMelcough*

Stymie said:

TD3 said:

That's very true..

I recall him saying something about regretting his tone... his dismissiveness of Shields' point of view.

I have no problem with whatever people want to believe but the moment you start spouting your point of view as the right one, I am done fucking with you.

Ironically, when someone starts spouting their point of view as the right one, that's exactly when I start fucking with them lol

Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

Scientology, thing? Folks may not agree or distrust their faith but nobodies putting a gun to any-ones head insisting you believe or join their religion. Religious bigotry... perhaps? Scientology seems strange to me but their religion hasn't been responsible for killing millions of people around the world (as we speak) as monotheistic religions have been. Live and let live... Mr. Cruise apologized to Ms. Shields for his remarks. If Shields was able to let it go than folks who don't know the man should let it go too.

I agree. I'm actually okay with whatever religion makes him happy. I have to also be honest, the "reasons" why people wanna hate Tom don't seem right. That said, I couldn't see myself in Scientology or jumping on couches but hey. Least his career hasn't hit the tubes like another 1980s movie star we know of who burned his own bridges. *coughMelcough*

You wait into you fall deeply in love... You'll be doing cartwheels and shit.

No Cruise hasn't...

I think some of this is the great American past time of building people up and than tearing them apart, a piece at a time. You have to have some true grit to sustain the constant public scrutiny.

Byron said:

kewlschool said:

Tom Cruise was used in my acting class as an example of what not to do when acting. The problem with Tom is that he acts he doesn't be the character (see Daniel Day Lewis).

To show his limitations as an actor one just needs to see him grind his teeth to show that his character is "angry"-(That's acting not being.)

War of The Worlds is a good example of his limited skills, not that he doesn't have his moments, but they are few and far between.

That's Jack Nicholson and Robert DiNero lately as well (although DiNero was better in Silver Linings Playbook). Not to mention guys like Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury? No...Samuel L. Jackson in an eyepatch lol)...Ryan Renolds, Whoopi Goldberg...hell, damn near 95% of Hollywood, actually.

True.

Byron said:

kewlschool said:

Tom Cruise was used in my acting class as an example of what not to do when acting. The problem with Tom is that he acts he doesn't be the character (see Daniel Day Lewis).

To show his limitations as an actor one just needs to see him grind his teeth to show that his character is "angry"-(That's acting not being.)

War of The Worlds is a good example of his limited skills, not that he doesn't have his moments, but they are few and far between.

That's Jack Nicholson and Robert DiNero lately as well (although DiNero was better in Silver Linings Playbook). Not to mention guys like Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury? No...Samuel L. Jackson in an eyepatch lol)...Ryan Renolds, Whoopi Goldberg...hell, damn near 95% of Hollywood, actually.

Nicholson has always been accused of this, and it's true...except that he is emotionally believable in every role I have seen him in. I can't say that of DeNiro (especially lately), who has definitely transformed himself for roles in the past.

I don't actually think you have to transform yourself like Daniel Day Lewis does to be a great actor. I'm okay with a Tom Hanks, as long as I believe him. I never really believe Tom Cruise.

NDRU said:

Byron said:

That's Jack Nicholson and Robert DiNero lately as well (although DiNero was better in Silver Linings Playbook). Not to mention guys like Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury? No...Samuel L. Jackson in an eyepatch lol)...Ryan Renolds, Whoopi Goldberg...hell, damn near 95% of Hollywood, actually.

Nicholson has always been accused of this, and it's true...except that he is emotionally believable in every role I have seen him in. I can't say that of DeNiro (especially lately), who has definitely transformed himself for roles in the past.

I don't actually think you have to transform yourself like Daniel Day Lewis does to be a great actor. I'm okay with a Tom Hanks, as long as I believe him. I never really believe Tom Cruise.

Good point............

NDRU said:

Byron said:

That's Jack Nicholson and Robert DiNero lately as well (although DiNero was better in Silver Linings Playbook). Not to mention guys like Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury? No...Samuel L. Jackson in an eyepatch lol)...Ryan Renolds, Whoopi Goldberg...hell, damn near 95% of Hollywood, actually.

Nicholson has always been accused of this, and it's true...except that he is emotionally believable in every role I have seen him in. I can't say that of DeNiro (especially lately), who has definitely transformed himself for roles in the past.

I don't actually think you have to transform yourself like Daniel Day Lewis does to be a great actor. I'm okay with a Tom Hanks, as long as I believe him. I never really believe Tom Cruise.

He's pretty believable emotionally in this scene:

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

I agree. I'm actually okay with whatever religion makes him happy. I have to also be honest, the "reasons" why people wanna hate Tom don't seem right. That said, I couldn't see myself in Scientology or jumping on couches but hey. Least his career hasn't hit the tubes like another 1980s movie star we know of who burned his own bridges. *coughMelcough*

You wait into you fall deeply in love... You'll be doing cartwheels and shit.

No Cruise hasn't...

I think some of this is the great American past time of building people up and than tearing them apart, a piece at a time. You have to have some true grit to sustain the constant public scrutiny.

And it's clear he still does from the reception he's gotten for his last few films.

Graycap23 said:

I think he will get an oscar for his next movie.

Just because he deserves one.

Let me be clear I am not anti-Cruise. Nor will I be. He plays certain types well, others not so well. He is great in Top Gun and Risky Business.

He's actually a great actor, just look at him in Magnolia or Risky Business or even a general flop like the recent Oblivion. He's good. and very professional on the set from what I've read over all these years.

And in personal life he's the guy that rushed to save someone getting crushed,, and then there was even another incident where he helped someone.

He's the victim of the village mob mentality based on bad publicity and media reports (I don't think anyone on here actually knows him or knows anything abut him outside what is reported in the news or magazines), his chosen "religion", his high profile divorce, and also the whole in the closet status in pop culture perception.

I did meet a guy that was his personal assistant for a few years recently. And he did say that Tom Cruise really tries to enforce Scientology principles onto everyone working for him.

Did you all know Beck is a Scientologist?

ufoclub said:

He's actually a great actor, just look at him in Magnolia or Risky Business or even a general flop like the recent Oblivion. He's good. and very professional on the set from what I've read over all these years.

And in personal life he's the guy that rushed to save someone getting crushed,, and then there was even another incident where he helped someone.

He's the victim of the village mob mentality based on bad publicity and media reports (I don't think anyone on here actually knows him or knows anything abut him outside what is reported in the news or magazines), his chosen "religion", his high profile divorce, and also the whole in the closet status in pop culture perception.

I did meet a guy that was his personal assistant for a few years recently. And he did say that Tom Cruise really tries to enforce Scientology principles onto everyone working for him.

Did you all know Beck is a Scientologist?

Yes I know Beck is a Scientologist but I have never heard him say the type of crap Tom Cruise does. I don't need to knopw someone personally to know if I will dig them or not.

Stymie said:

I don't need to knopw someone personally to know if I will dig them or not.

Be careful not to get trapped into prejudice.