Graycap23 said:

robertlove said:

I believe her

The problem with people like her is that they never provide anything concrete that can be verified in simple terms that most people can relate 2.

or any basic technology trinkets. think about it, if only aliens would just bring with them to earth things like a cure-cancer zapper, or a pocket time-warper then us earthlings would be convinced from the get go.

XxAxX said:

Graycap23 said:

The problem with people like her is that they never provide anything concrete that can be verified in simple terms that most people can relate 2.

or any basic technology trinkets. think about it, if only aliens would just bring with them to earth things like a cure-cancer zapper, or a pocket time-warper then us earthlings would be convinced from the get go.

The reality is that it is easy 2 dismiss these type of people or reports or UFO's.

At some point, something concrete will come along that can't be dismissed.

Graycap23 said:

XxAxX said:

or any basic technology trinkets. think about it, if only aliens would just bring with them to earth things like a cure-cancer zapper, or a pocket time-warper then us earthlings would be convinced from the get go.

The reality is that it is easy 2 dismiss these type of people or reports or UFO's.

At some point, something concrete will come along that can't be dismissed.

in my opinion, that evidence has already come along. 1997, phoenix lights

XxAxX said:

Graycap23 said:

The reality is that it is easy 2 dismiss these type of people or reports or UFO's.

At some point, something concrete will come along that can't be dismissed.

in my opinion, that evidence has already come along. 1997, phoenix lights

There are many but of course the media doesn't get over involved in spreading real info of this nature.

Graycap23 said:

XxAxX said:

in my opinion, that evidence has already come along. 1997, phoenix lights

There are many but of course the media doesn't get over involved in spreading real info of this nature.

and in the case of the phoenix lights, the media deliberately spread disinformation about the event. i don't think any reasonable person could possibly deny that the US gov. has on many occasions, and for whatever reason, demonstrated its willingness to suppress information pertaining to sightings

XxAxX said:

Graycap23 said:

There are many but of course the media doesn't get over involved in spreading real info of this nature.

and in the case of the phoenix lights, the media deliberately spread disinformation about the event. i don't think any reasonable person could possibly deny that the US gov. has on many occasions, and for whatever reason, demonstrated its willingness to suppress information pertaining to sightings

What ever reason? They have a real reason.

C O N T R O L.

Graycap23 said:

XxAxX said:

and in the case of the phoenix lights, the media deliberately spread disinformation about the event. i don't think any reasonable person could possibly deny that the US gov. has on many occasions, and for whatever reason, demonstrated its willingness to suppress information pertaining to sightings

What ever reason? They have a real reason.

C O N T R O L.

maybe they won't admit aliens are here because the aliens refuse to pay federal taxes

XxAxX said:

Graycap23 said:

What ever reason? They have a real reason.

C O N T R O L.

maybe they won't admit aliens are here because the aliens refuse to pay federal taxes

I wish it were that simple.

this shit is laughable

JoeTyler said:

this shit is laughable

But thousands of people on the internet believe it

Millions also believed that the world would end in 2011... then 2012... oh wait.

JoeTyler said:

this shit is laughable

This particular case is laughable but let me ask u a question.

Which is more laughable, this case or:

The Zimmerman Case decision?

The current leadership in the U.S.?

The Magic Bullet theory in the Kennedy Murder?

The 911 Commmision?

Weapons of Mass Destruction and the Murder of Hussein?

The IRS getting a cut of every single penny u EARN?...................I could go on 4 days.

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Gunsnhalen said:

I believe in life out there in the universe for sure. But these stories are absolute shit and pretty hilarious! how are we supposed to believe something that sounds like a b movie sci-if writer came up with it.

I'm kind of here. I have no problem believing that there is a ton of sentient life all over the universe, but given the size of just this galaxy and the vast distance between solar systems, the idea that beings with the knowledge of science enough to travel these distances with all the multiple complications involved with moving living matter across distance, it doesn't match with the idea that they just hanging out around this planet, accidently getting seen, or that they are even sharing technology with our governments. If that were the case things should be so far more advanced, the energy problem should at least be solved. Unless these beings have one hell of a prime directive, which still doesn't match with the fact they keep being seen all over the place by just regular people, then I'd say they aren't the brightest of extraterrestrials.

morningsong said:

. If that were the case things should be so far more advanced, the energy problem should at least be solved.

Do u honestly think that those that are making BILLIONS on gas/oil would allow the energy question 2 be solved?

morningsong said:

Gunsnhalen said:

I believe in life out there in the universe for sure. But these stories are absolute shit and pretty hilarious! how are we supposed to believe something that sounds like a b movie sci-if writer came up with it.

I'm kind of here. I have no problem believing that there is a ton of sentient life all over the universe, but given the size of just this galaxy and the vast distance between solar systems, the idea that beings with the knowledge of science enough to travel these distances with all the multiple complications involved with moving living matter across distance, it doesn't match with the idea that they just hanging out around this planet, accidently getting seen, or that they are even sharing technology with our governments. If that were the case things should be so far more advanced, the energy problem should at least be solved. Unless these beings have one hell of a prime directive, which still doesn't match with the fact they keep being seen all over the place by just regular people, then I'd say they aren't the brightest of extraterrestrials.

You know something is amiss when the OP posts a crazy nut and asks "An actual visitor from another planet?" then later admits, "This particular case is laughable".

If the BEST example of a "visitor from another planet" that can be proferred is, according to the OP,"laughable", (not to mention the OP's next best example, the redoubtable Valiant Thor, who not even abovetopsecret.com regulars believe in), then you know you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to worry about here.

And think about this: Let's assume there are aliens with the ability to solve all our energy problems with the wave of their little green hands. We are to believe that Exxon/Mobil, Chevron, and/or the US government have the absolute ability to keep incredibly-advanced civilizations from coming here and helping us?

So, according to these alien conspiracists: Alien civilizations can fly here. They want to fly here. They want to help us. They can solve probably every environmental/energy problem we have.

But we - the most backward civilization in the galaxy - can not only stop them, we can keep their existence a secret.

Really. That's what some people actually believe.

Graycap23 said:

morningsong said:

. If that were the case things should be so far more advanced, the energy problem should at least be solved.

Do u honestly think that those that are making BILLIONS on gas/oil would allow the energy question 2 be solved?

Yes. I don't see why they can't make billions on a new energy source, while cutting out all these other middle men. Seems like a path of least resistance would makes more sense over this race and teeth pulling constantly trying to control the next major oil deposits and all the multiple problems in controlling self interest.

morningsong said:

Graycap23 said:

Do u honestly think that those that are making BILLIONS on gas/oil would allow the energy question 2 be solved?

Yes. I don't see why they can't make billions on a new energy source, while cutting out all these other middle men. Seems like a path of least resistance would makes more sense over this race and teeth pulling constantly trying to control the next major oil deposits and all the multiple problems in controlling self interest.

So if this new energy source is controlled by a new group of people, do u think the oil/gas folks would sit by and be driven out of business?

Graycap23 said:

robertlove said:

I believe her

The problem with people like her is that they never provide anything concrete that can be verified in simple terms that most people can relate 2.

I think that's the whole point. People like her appeal to those who have no use for concrete. It's a niche market.

If there was a new energy source, the most powerful people in the world would move to control it. There is no possible way these people would sit by and possibly let some other group gain control of it.

Given that the most powerful people in the world already control the current energy source, it is abundantly obvious that these people would definitely not wait one second to establish control of this new energy source. Again, there is no possible way they would let some other group displace them as Earth's energy barons.

But since we don't see any Exxon stations selling Moonbeam Levels to power our Jetsonsmobiles, we can safely assume there is no alternative alien energy source.

Tempest said:

Graycap23 said:

The problem with people like her is that they never provide anything concrete that can be verified in simple terms that most people can relate 2.

I think that's the whole point. People like her appeal to those who have no use for concrete. It's a niche market.

Not only that, but they always provide things that can be completely disproven.

Graycap23 said:

morningsong said:

Yes. I don't see why they can't make billions on a new energy source, while cutting out all these other middle men. Seems like a path of least resistance would makes more sense over this race and teeth pulling constantly trying to control the next major oil deposits and all the multiple problems in controlling self interest.

So if this new energy source is controlled by a new group of people, do u think the oil/gas folks would sit by and be driven out of business?

First it happens with everything else, why couldn't it happen with energy, if it's all about power, control and money? Making oil obsolete and invaluable. Secondly, if we are getting all this help from these extremely advanced beings, I'm sure they could pull a trick or two out of their bag of scientific knowledge that would be more than effective against the threat of other earthlings.

Tempest said:

Graycap23 said:

The problem with people like her is that they never provide anything concrete that can be verified in simple terms that most people can relate 2.

I think that's the whole point. People like her appeal to those who have no use for concrete. It's a niche market.

Who does she appeal 2? Have they been identified?

RodeoSchro said:

Tempest said:

I think that's the whole point. People like her appeal to those who have no use for concrete. It's a niche market.

Not only that, but they always provide things that can be completely disproven.

True. When people have no use for the truth (or concrete), they have no use for research either. In other words, they don't care to disprove or put forth any effort to find out what's true. Therefore, all is well to the niche market as long as they just "believe". Somehow for them, if they just "believe" something, that makes it "true".

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Tempest said:

RodeoSchro said:

Not only that, but they always provide things that can be completely disproven.

True. When people have no use for the truth (or concrete), they have no use for research either. In other words, they don't care to disprove or put forth any effort to find out what's true. Therefore, all is well to them as long as they just "believe". Somehow for them, if they just "believe" something, that makes it "true".

Lol..............like the Bible.

Graycap23 said:

Tempest said:

True. When people have no use for the truth (or concrete), they have no use for research either. In other words, they don't care to disprove or put forth any effort to find out what's true. Therefore, all is well to them as long as they just "believe". Somehow for them, if they just "believe" something, that makes it "true".

Lol..............like the Bible.

Graycap23 said:

Tempest said:

I think that's the whole point. People like her appeal to those who have no use for concrete. It's a niche market.

Who does she appeal 2? Have they been identified?

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They probably haven't been tagged by business research. However, they exist.

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There are people who believe that truth is relative (not absolute). For these lost souls, if they personally believe something, to them, it's "true". It doesn't matter what evidence you provide. Yes, I've met people like this and had discussions with them. They come in all shapes, sizes and intellectual capacities. Intellect has nothing to do with it. You can be really, really bright and for you, truth is relative. It's part a belief system or stronghold in the mind. I won't go into the spiritual aspects.

Tempest said:

Graycap23 said:

Who does she appeal 2? Have they been identified?

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They probably haven't been tagged by business research. However, they exist.

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There are people who believe that truth is relative (not absolute). For these lost souls,

Out of curiosity, what/who is a found Soul?

Tempest said:

Graycap23 said:

Who does she appeal 2? Have they been identified?

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They probably haven't been tagged by business research. However, they exist.

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There are people who believe that truth is relative (not absolute). For these lost souls, if they personally believe something, to them, it's "true". It doesn't matter what evidence you provide. Yes, I've met people like this and had discussions with them. They come in all shapes, sizes and intellectual capacities. Intellect has nothing to do with it. You can be really, really bright and for you, truth is relative. It's part a belief system or stronghold in the mind. I won't go into the spiritual aspects.

The same can be said about Star Trek fans. You have some REALLY interesting types involved with that genre. That's to say that anything could be given this definition, you'll find all types of people involved in a number of different things, real or unreal. I bet there all types of people who play golf from different social economic backgrounds, ways of speech, character and any number of other behavioral traits associated with people as a whole. You have doctors who have differing ideas about there profession and how it should be conducted.

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This niche market will even use phrases like, Well, that's "your truth" or refer to what they personally believe as "my truth". As if we can all have our own truth.

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Here's a typical conversation:

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Person A says: Hello, do you believe in God?

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Person B says: Well, no, I don't. Everyone can believe what they want to believe.

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Person A says: True, everyone can believe whatever they want to believe but that doesn't make whatever they believe true.

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Person B (gets restless & says): Everyone has their "own truth". The fact that God doesn't exist is "my truth".

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Person A says: Truth isn't relative. It's absolute. So, the TRUTH is, God either exists or He doesn't. It cannot be both ways.

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Person B (gets miffed and says): I believe that everyone has their own truth.

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Person A says: Well, you can believe that but that doesn't make it true. What you believe may not be true. It may in fact be a lie. If you do not believe in God, that's your belief but not "your truth". You don't own the truth. It is what it is. It's totally illogical and absurd to think that everyone can believe what they want, have totally opposing positions and somehow everyone has THE TRUTH. That's impossible. Logic dictates that everyone cannot have opposing beliefs and everyone believe THE TRUTH at the same time. Truth is not relative.

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Person B (not grasping the point) says: Well, that's your truth.

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Person A says: No, the truth is what it is. For example, is grass green or hot pink? Just because you believe that it's HOT PINK, doesn't make it HOT PINK. The TRUTH is, grass is green. If we're all looking at green grass and 50% of the people decide that they want it to be HOT PINK, the TRUTH is that it's green (not hot pink). So, it cannot be green and hot pink at the same time. Nor, can we all believe different things about the color of the grass and they all be TRUE.

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Person B gets miffed and walks away.

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End of conversation.

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Graycap23 said:

Tempest said:

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They probably haven't been tagged by business research. However, they exist.

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There are people who believe that truth is relative (not absolute). For these lost souls,

Out of curiosity, what/who is a found Soul?

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Those who personally meet and accept THE TRUTH (the Messiah):

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Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.

T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear
The hour I first believed.

Through many dangers, toils and snares
I have already come;
'Tis Grace that brought me safe thus far
and Grace will lead me home.

The Lord has promised good to me.
His word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be,
As long as life endures.

Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail,
And mortal life shall cease,
I shall possess within the veil,
A life of joy and peace.

When we've been here ten thousand years
Bright shining as the sun.
We've no less days to sing God's praise
Than when we've first begun.

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now I see.