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Finally!!! Amanda Bynes Hospitalized on 5150 Hold

Amanda Bynes
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-- TMZ just spoke to the woman whose driveway Amanda built the fire on, and she tells us, she had no idea what was going on until cops knocked on her front door. She says cops asked her, "Do you know anyone by the name of Amanda Bynes, or why she would have some vendetta against you?" She said no ... not surprising because the woman is elderly.

Cops then described to her that there was a young lady in her driveway, who had lit a fire and was carrying a "little red gas tank." The homeowner says cops told her Amanda had burned part of her clothing.

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Amanda Bynes
is currently hospitalized on a 5150 hold ... after starting a small fire in the driveway of some random person's house Monday night, TMZ has learned.

Law enforcement sources tell us, the fire department responded to the home in Thousand Oaks, CA around 9 PM -- near where Amanda was just accused of trespassing -- after someone noticed the small blaze in the driveway. The sheriff's department was subsequently called when Amanda was found standing near the campfire.

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When sheriff's deputies arrived, they questioned Amanda about what she was doing, and why she was doing it -- and based on her answers, they determined she needed to be hospitalized on a 5150 hold. Translation: her answers were really wacky.

A 5150 hold is an involuntary hospitalization for mental evaluation. Amanda can only be held for 72 hours though.

Britney Spears was famously taken in on a 5150 in 2008 during her pre-conservatorship period.

And just to give you an idea of what Amanda looked like yesterday, these photos were taken at Bloomingdales in Santa Monica just hours before the hospitalization ... around 5 PM.

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Reply #1 posted 07/23/13 6:20pm

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mental illness is very sad, if that is indeed her problem, otherwise could be drugs, or maybe a combo of the two together. hope she gets well soon.

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Reply #2 posted 07/23/13 6:52pm

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uniden said:

mental illness is very sad, if that is indeed her problem, otherwise could be drugs, or maybe a combo of the two together. hope she gets well soon.

It could be an act.

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Reply #3 posted 07/23/13 7:05pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

uniden said:

mental illness is very sad, if that is indeed her problem, otherwise could be drugs, or maybe a combo of the two together. hope she gets well soon.

It could be an act.

And if it is, it is still an indication of mental illness.

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Reply #4 posted 07/23/13 7:56pm

OlSchool

JustErin said:

uPtoWnNY said:

It could be an act.

And if it is, it is still an indication of mental illness.

yeahthat

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Reply #5 posted 07/23/13 8:34pm

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Hopefully this will help her get the help she most likely needs.

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Reply #6 posted 07/24/13 1:21pm

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10 to 1, it's drugs. They'll hold her for a couple of days. She'll swear she's going to rehab. They'll let her go. She'll check herself into a rehab center for a few days. She'll leave against the advice of the people there and this shit will keep playing itself out, with the media there to capture it and cheer it on until she completely self destructs or somebody that really cares about her, steps in.

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Reply #7 posted 07/24/13 3:40pm

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Amanda Bynes
Signs of Schizophrenia

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Amanda Bynes is exhibiting signs of schizophrenia ... and medical professionals and others WILL seek a 2 week extension on her 5150 psychiatric hold so doctors can properly diagnose her ... sources familiar with the situation tell TMZ.

We're told ... ever since Amanda was taken into custody Monday night -- after she lit a fire on an elderly woman's driveway in Thousand Oaks, CA -- people close to Bynes are convinced she's suffering from mental illness, specifically schizophrenia.

Sources tell us ... Amanda's parents will now ask a judge to put the 27-year-old in a conservatorship, a la Britney Spears, because they believe she is unable to care for herself and could be a danger to others.

Amanda's parents have wanted to take action for the past couple of months -- but they didn't have the goods because Amanda's conduct was not so over the line that a judge would take away her freedom.

Now, after the driveway fire incident ... the circumstances may have changed enough to convince a judge Amanda needs help and supervision.

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Reply #8 posted 07/25/13 6:54pm

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Amanda Bynes
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1 Hour of Crazy

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Amanda Bynes has been true to form in the hospital where she's being held on a psychiatric hold -- she's completely lucid for long stretches, and then goes off the handle crazy.

Sources with knowledge of the situation tell TMZ ... doctors have already determined Amanda is suffering from a severe mental illness "with schizophrenic tendencies." We're told she's aware "there's a good Amanda and a bad Amanda." When she talks about the bad Amanda she almost mimics an exorcism, pulling at her body as if to remove the demon, and even biting herself.

We're told yesterday Amanda was lucid for 10 hours -- she was kind, quiet and nice. During that 10 hour period the staff questioned her about the fire she started Monday and her personality changed radically. She got frustrated and "shut down." But she still remained "normal."

After 10 hours of normal, out of nowhere, her eyes widened, she started to grill the staff about her dog (the one she soaked in gasoline). The staff then told her the dog was safe with her parents, and Amanda went nuts, saying "They'll kill it, just like they tried to kill me." This went on for an hour.

Amanda then got incoherent and so out of control she had to be physically restrained.

And, we're told, Amanda was extensively drug-tested, and everything came up negative, except for marijuana.

And there's this. Initially Amanda was placed with another female patient, but she started berating and insulting her to the point they removed Bynes and put her in a room by herself.


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Reply #9 posted 07/25/13 7:31pm

Tempest

This young lady needs deliverance for real. She has very serious spiritual issues in addition to her mental & emotional issues. Secular assistance (medical help) will not cure her spiritual issues.

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Reply #10 posted 07/25/13 9:27pm

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It looked like mental illness from the jump to me. Her parents confessed it but some gossip hack on Entertainment Tonight ignored/dismissed it, because why let a little thing like mental illness get in the way of a story that keeps on giving?

My unprofessional opinion thinks Lindsay Lohan suffers fromn some sort of mental illness as well. Notice how quiet she is right now (thank God), but just wait. Once the manis phase of her gets going she'll do something crazy, and prance into court looking like a million bucks.

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Reply #11 posted 07/28/13 4:15pm

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Tempest said:

This young lady needs deliverance for real. She has very serious spiritual issues in addition to her mental & emotional issues. Secular assistance (medical help) will not cure her spiritual issues.




:eyeroll:


She needs JESUS! LOL.
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Reply #12 posted 07/28/13 6:00pm

Tempest

Yes, she certainly does. pray

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Reply #13 posted 07/29/13 3:57am

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Tempest said:

This young lady needs therapy for real. She has very serious personal issues in addition to her mental & emotional issues. Theological assistance (religious help) will not cure her psychological issues.


See what I did there?? It goes both ways... neutral

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Reply #14 posted 07/29/13 6:49am

Tempest

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Tempest said:

This young lady needs therapy for real. She has very serious personal issues in addition to her mental & emotional issues. Theological assistance (religious help) will not cure her psychological issues.


See what I did there?? It goes both ways... neutral

I wasn't speaking of "religion", "theology", "religious help" or "theological assistance." I'm speaking of actual, true to life Spirit filled / led deliverance that sets a person free. Religion and theology won't heal anything. In fact, they can and MANY TIMES do cause additional problems. When a person's life is bound by the demonic, it can and does affect them emotionally, spiritually, psychologically and can be the cause of many physical ailments as well. Have you ever witnessed or experienced deliverance and seen the results? Just curious. Btw, is there any way to edit "Tempest said" in your last post because Tempest didn't say that. Thanks.

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Reply #15 posted 07/29/13 12:21pm

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Tempest said:



RenHoek said:




Tempest said:


This young lady needs therapy for real. She has very serious personal issues in addition to her mental & emotional issues. Theological assistance (religious help) will not cure her psychological issues.




See what I did there?? It goes both ways... neutral





I wasn't speaking of "religion", "theology", "religious help" or "theological assistance." I'm speaking of actual, true to life Spirit filled / led deliverance that sets a person free. Religion and theology won't heal anything. In fact, they can and MANY TIMES do cause additional problems. When a person's life is bound by the demonic, it can and does affect them emotionally, spiritually, psychologically and can be the cause of many physical ailments as well. Have you ever witnessed or experienced deliverance and seen the results? Just curious. Btw, is there any way to edit "Tempest said" in your last post because Tempest didn't say that. Thanks.


Ok...so she doesnt need jesus? Im confused.
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Reply #16 posted 07/29/13 12:35pm

Tempest

To be honest, I'm not sure what you're confused about. neutral

What I'm confused about is why I'm being quoted as saying something I didn't say?

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Reply #17 posted 07/29/13 12:55pm

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Tempest said:

To be honest, I'm not sure what you're confused about. neutral



What I'm confused about is why I'm being quoted as saying something I didn't say?



I said she needs jesus....u agreed.

Then u proceded to say spiritual help was needed and religion might actually hurt and that things like religion ot theology eouldnt help.


Many see spiritual, theological, and religious views to be similar in relation to secular views. And to speak of them like they have nothing to do with each other is confusing to me.

When u s a y spirit and deliverance, what do u mean. I suppose i misunderstood you.
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Reply #18 posted 07/29/13 9:49pm

Tempest

I received some very sad news today and my heart is breaking at the moment. bheart A dear friend of mine from high school was involved in a very serious motorcycle accident on July 1st. A deer tried to leap over his bike (from the side) and got caught between him and the windshield. He was on a highway at the time of the accident. He's been in the hospital since July 1st in very serious condition and died today. He was like a big brother to me in high school and college. I promise to get back to this thread when I have more time. There's so much I'd like to share.

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Reply #19 posted 07/30/13 9:01am

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There’s a huge difference between religion and relationship. God is Spirit and desires to have fellowship with us through the Spirit. There are spiritual men and there are natural men. The natural man does not comprehend the things of the Spirit because they are spiritually discerned (1 Cor 2:14). God is Spirit and those that sincerely desire to worship Him must do so in Spirit and in Truth (John 4:24). This is the worship that’s acceptable to God. Religion, theology and the secular are man made and from the natural realm. There is no supernatural power or anointing associated with these things. They are strictly from the realm of the physical senses and the intellect. The things of God’s Spirit are supernatural and cannot be explained via the senses or the intellect. These things are foolishness to the “natural man”. To walk in the Spirit is to fellowship with God in the Spirit, to be led by His Spirit and to be empowered by His Spirit to do the works of His kingdom. Supernatural works of God flow from being connected to him in the Spirit (ie, Mark 16:15-20). The gifts of the Spirit (speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues, words of knowledge, words of wisdom, prophecy, discerning of spirits, healing, casting out demons, etc. * 1 Cor. 12) are all supernatural works / gifts of God. All that theology and religion can offer is man-made creeds, doctrines and bondage. Same with the secular. There is no supernatural life or power (anointing) in these things. Going to seminary is like going to the cemetery. There’s no life there. Attending church or joining a particular religious group doesn't make one "spiritual" either. There are a lot of zombies sitting in pews. True spirituality and relationship with God can only be obtained via the Spirit. This is where freedom is found and experienced. There’s so much more I could say but it would take weeks for me to share. I hope that helps to clarify things a bit.

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Tempest said:

There’s a huge difference between religion and relationship. God is Spirit and desires to have fellowship with us through the Spirit. There are spiritual men and there are natural men. The natural man does not comprehend the things of the Spirit because they are spiritually discerned (1 Cor 2:14). God is Spirit and those that sincerely desire to worship Him must do so in Spirit and in Truth (John 4:24). This is the worship that’s acceptable to God. Religion, theology and the secular are man made and from the natural realm. There is no supernatural power or anointing associated with these things. They are strictly from the realm of the physical senses and the intellect. The things of God’s Spirit are supernatural and cannot be explained via the senses or the intellect. These things are foolishness to the “natural man”. To walk in the Spirit is to fellowship with God in the Spirit, to be led by His Spirit and to be empowered by His Spirit to do the works of His kingdom. Supernatural works of God flow from being connected to him in the Spirit (ie, Mark 16:15-20). The gifts of the Spirit (speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues, words of knowledge, words of wisdom, prophecy, discerning of spirits, healing, casting out demons, etc. * 1 Cor. 12) are all supernatural works / gifts of God. All that theology and religion can offer is man-made creeds, doctrines and bondage. Same with the secular. There is no supernatural life or power (anointing) in these things. Going to seminary is like going to the cemetery. There’s no life there. Attending church or joining a particular religious group doesn't make one "spiritual" either. There are a lot of zombies sitting in pews. True spirituality and relationship with God can only be obtained via the Spirit. This is where freedom is found and experienced. There’s so much more I could say but it would take weeks for me to share. I hope that helps to clarify things a bit.





Ok...u have fun with all that. Amanda seems ti have a mental illness and more than likely needs some meds and therapy to get her braing to start processing typically instead of prompting her to set fires in driveways. Family and friends say shes been talking to herslef a lot which is a big indication of schizophreni . And/or mania, and/or other things. Its not usually a sign of a ack of spirituality. This affects some of the most spiritual people on the planet, so i dont deduce it is that.
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Reply #21 posted 07/30/13 12:09pm

Tempest

You wanted clarification on why I don't see the secular, religious, theology & spirituality as the same thing, similar, equals or related. So, I gave it to you. My last post was not a commentary about her (or her situation or spirituality) at all. Once again, we're not communicating or we're talking past one another. It's a lot easier to sit down and speak with someone face to face than it is to communicate on a forum. Things get misunderstood. Regarding talking to oneself and starting fires, demonized people do the same. Therefore, you can have your theory about what she may need and I can have mine. Right? At the end of the day, she can be healed by the power of God whether you want to call it a mental illness or she's in fact demonized. The answer is God either way when you're talking about complete healing. After all, meds don't heal. They help to keep people under control.

BobGeorge909 said:

Tempest said:

There’s a huge difference between religion and relationship. God is Spirit and desires to have fellowship with us through the Spirit. There are spiritual men and there are natural men. The natural man does not comprehend the things of the Spirit because they are spiritually discerned (1 Cor 2:14). God is Spirit and those that sincerely desire to worship Him must do so in Spirit and in Truth (John 4:24). This is the worship that’s acceptable to God. Religion, theology and the secular are man made and from the natural realm. There is no supernatural power or anointing associated with these things. They are strictly from the realm of the physical senses and the intellect. The things of God’s Spirit are supernatural and cannot be explained via the senses or the intellect. These things are foolishness to the “natural man”. To walk in the Spirit is to fellowship with God in the Spirit, to be led by His Spirit and to be empowered by His Spirit to do the works of His kingdom. Supernatural works of God flow from being connected to him in the Spirit (ie, Mark 16:15-20). The gifts of the Spirit (speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues, words of knowledge, words of wisdom, prophecy, discerning of spirits, healing, casting out demons, etc. * 1 Cor. 12) are all supernatural works / gifts of God. All that theology and religion can offer is man-made creeds, doctrines and bondage. Same with the secular. There is no supernatural life or power (anointing) in these things. Going to seminary is like going to the cemetery. There’s no life there. Attending church or joining a particular religious group doesn't make one "spiritual" either. There are a lot of zombies sitting in pews. True spirituality and relationship with God can only be obtained via the Spirit. This is where freedom is found and experienced. There’s so much more I could say but it would take weeks for me to share. I hope that helps to clarify things a bit.

Ok...u have fun with all that. Amanda seems ti have a mental illness and more than likely needs some meds and therapy to get her braing to start processing typically instead of prompting her to set fires in driveways. Family and friends say shes been talking to herslef a lot which is a big indication of schizophreni . And/or mania, and/or other things. Its not usually a sign of a ack of spirituality. This affects some of the most spiritual people on the planet, so i dont deduce it is that.

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Reply #22 posted 07/30/13 12:11pm

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I will bow out of this thead quietly now. Have a great day! smile

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Reply #23 posted 07/30/13 1:28pm

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Demons....wow. did the salem withc hunt happen just yesterday? Like i said...have fun with that. Ure welcome to your theories. .im not sure how much they may help you when a lobed one of yours is stricken wjth a serious mental illness...but im sure ull have fun with that too. This kind of thought process is a disservice to humanity and the progress we've in the field of mental illness.
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Reply #24 posted 07/30/13 1:45pm

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For the record, you know nothing of me or my loved ones. FYI, my mother was a mentally ill person (sociopath) so I know plenty about it. You DO NOT know my personal situation. Therefore, do not project on me or tell me that I'm out of touch or lack empathy. You have no idea what I've dealt with all my life. My mother would have been labeled a pathological liar & sociopath by medical science. I know for a fact that in her case, she was demonized (she passed in Sept 2012). I spoke to the demons on MANY occasions and had to deal with a level of evil and pain most people will never encounter in their lives. Over and out.

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Reply #25 posted 07/30/13 2:55pm

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Reading these posts, looks like another 5150 hold might be in order....

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Reply #26 posted 07/30/13 5:09pm

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JustErin said:

Reading these posts, looks like another 5150 hold might be in order....

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Reply #27 posted 07/31/13 3:49am

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JustErin said:

Reading these posts, looks like another 5150 hold might be in order....

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spot on though...

demons... doh!

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Reply #28 posted 07/31/13 6:21pm

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Thats gotta be fake? Right? R there demons waiting to eat you when you get to the edge of the ocean and fall of the edge of the planet?

I never said you lacked empathy. ..you efforts just seem to be misguided...imo(and maybe the opinion of billions of other minimally educated people).

I dont know your mothers situation personally, but i can assure you it doesnt/didn't involve demons.


Sociopaths r real...they include the likes of Ted Bundy and the Ice Man(mob hit man). The part of their brain that processes empathy is abnormal in some way and the pain or grief of others plays a much smaller role in their decision making than the typical person, among other things that are not typical about them.


The only "demons" i know about are actually Tasmanian devils, and maybe the "dragons", or should i say kimodo Dragons that live im n some island somewhere...but theyre dragons and not demons.


Im not trying to minimalize or sensationalize your mothers problems. My point is if we get more of a handle on the actual problem instead of hanging on to terribly outdated and inaccurate ideas, better ways to help peole can be found. Believeing in demons is a disservice to humanity.

Its sad that this discussion needs to be held in modern day america. Demons...wow.
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