morningsong said:

Not a whole lot of men want breakfast-es cooked by 6 year olds eaten with a smile, or gold spray-painted macaroni art cherished like a picasso, mudcakes and what not. There are years of that first before anything else.

http://youtu.be/xH1XDyUkd6Y

TD3 said:

Belated Happy Father's Day. To all the men who put in love, time and work to rear their children.

I saw kcools thread but I thought to myself...


"Damn, he's (kcools) about a week early, why not start the thread the day before or day of. Anywho. I had plans on posting something later but time got away from me. I was too busy celebrating my baby daddy day.

JustErin said:

CocoRock said:

And there it is!!!

Reverse sexism is prolly the best way I can think to put it. Which sucks, because it sounds too much like reverse racism, which is an oxymoron. But that's for another thread.

Nailed it MBB!

Actually, I don't think that's it.

It's not as popular because most men really don't give a shit about getting cards and homemade gifts from their kids.

And let's be honest here, they simply don't long for validation like women do.

Granted, "reverse sexism" may not be THE reason, but I think it's up there.

Along with the point you brought up, which is valid too.

outsideofthebox said:

and kcool is not a fool....ive dealt with him and he is a very cool guy.

CocoRock said:

As a Dad of 11 years, I can't help but notice how year after year, Father's Day gets maybe HALF the pub that Mother's Day receives. Now, I'm not saying Moms don't deserve ALL the respect due for the work they do, but there are indeed Fathers who are taking care of they chirrens just as well, if not better than their female counterparts. Yes, it's true, there are still men who do their thing when it comes to their kids. SURPRISE! Case in point, I check the org to see if there's a Father's Day thread (WTF is wrong with kfoolmusic anyway? ), and the shit had like 55 views and 2 replies. Seriously? Obviously, I ain't referring to those fools who just skeet 'n' skate (they can all eat a dick in a bad way ), but damn, no props OR pounds for the guys actually putting in work? What the deal? Scream at me y'all.

morningsong said:

As a second thought I'm not sure what this person is referring to, the corporate commercialization of a day, therefore fathers aren't getting as much advertisement time as mothers, because I'm sure, majority wise (definitely not all, just like moms), those that are putting in the time, effort and energy are getting the acknowledgement within their own home. I've heard from a dad or two who got spoiled yesterday, of course that was after years of enduring burnt toast and weird ties.

If by "thius person", you mean me, I'm talking 'bout the whole she-bangbang.

If you wanna talk about the corporate comercialization, notice how FD gets lumped in with graduates?

If wanna talk about at home, I got my homemade card and was cool with that, but some fellas don't even get that.

TD3 said:

morningsong said:

As a second thought I'm not sure what this person is referring to, the corporate commercialization of a day, therefore fathers aren't getting as much advertisement time as mothers, because I'm sure, majority wise (definitely not all, just like moms), those that are putting in the time, effort and energy are getting the acknowledgement within their own home. I've heard from a dad or two who got spoiled yesterday, of course that was after years of enduring burnt toast and weird ties.

I got a kick out of seeing children treating their dads on their special day yesterday. We went out or ice cream and saw a couple of kids treating dad's to ice cream. Thi lil girl (maybe 4 years of age) pulled out this wad of cash to pay for her dad's Sunday; she turned around and asked him if he wanted anything else.

Everyone cracked up laughing. Very touching...

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OldFriends4Sale said:

CocoRock said:

I totally agree. But is physical endurance the sole reason Dads bascially get the shaft?

Even on Father's Day?

(no need to hide either)

It's not about the actual birth process.

I think most men, even still, have a harder time 'emotionally' connecting,

Even though the father might be actually putting in more work for his kids and family in other ways.

.

Most kids/teens don't get it until later in life, that did did a lot for me/us.

.

A lot of men, not until 'mortality' hit's in different ways do we get it, that you have to be more emotionally available.

.

But a lot of this is because society and the times dictact a lot of it.

My cousins wife, was talking about needing her husband to be more connecting more open etc and then her 5yr old fell and started to cry and instictly she said "boys don't cry"

.

I think fathers no matter the age would appreciate more for Fathers Day and maybe kids would do more, if it matched the things that made them open and relaxed. Maybe a day on the Lake fishing, or doing whatever he like and would like to share with his family this time of year.

.

I got my card for my dad the day before, and the store-I was shocked was 1/2 way out of Fathers Cards, and then we took him to a steak house and I expected a 15-20 minute wait tops. I was shocked there it took about 40 min to get a spot. usually Fathers day you can get it anywhere quick.

Does that mean it's not worth the effort?

Beautifulstarr123 said:

My pops passed on two years ago, but I wished my brother-in-law Happy Father's Day.

I have an amazing Dad. He's 81 and still going strong. Him and my mom were married for 60 years before she passed 2 years ago.

My Dad is the poster boy for what a real father should be. He worked hard for over 45 years. Had held 2 jobs at a time when I was a kid and was always there for us. He was also an amazing husband and he's a caring, loving grandfather too.

I wish my Dad many more years of life.

CocoRock said:

KingBAD said:

qwik spin,

i am by NO MEANS the best father in the world

my three are by three. i wasn't missin in action

but i wasn't in the home either.

the thing is i've seen GOOD FATHERS get dogged out

by women just because they couldn't hold on.

and then the ones that have (as eddie griffin puts it)

the ole 'keep a nigga/man' babies. knowin that it ain't an option.

people drag dads without one minit thinkin 'bout t he evil

that women do. obscoundin with a man's child, not informin them

about the pregnancy ( for hope of profit with a better prospect )

waitin 'til they cann't hack it THEN holla about lack of child suport.

so when you wonder whut makes a bad dad one has to review the source

of the bad report.

EVERYDAY IS FATHERS DAY enjoy the 'gettin' to be one.

some feel they HAVE to be one. myself, i see i GET to be one...

I see some generalization here, so it's all about who the shoe fits. No one should have to pay for someone else's evils. I think honor should go to those well deserving, whether they're mothers or fathers, and that includes every day.

CocoRock said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

My pops passed on two years ago, but I wished my brother-in-law Happy Father's Day.

Maybe................just maybe if people stop getting caught up in these man made holidays their stress levels can remain at a reasonable levels. Holidays like this were designed 2 get people into spending theitr hard earned money on nonsense they DON'T need.

morningsong said:

CocoRock said:

If by "thius person", you mean me, I'm talking 'bout the whole she-bangbang.

If you wanna talk about the corporate comercialization, notice how FD gets lumped in with graduates?

If wanna talk about at home, I got my homemade card and was cool with that, but some fellas don't even get that.

Yeah, the whole "this person" thing was tacky, and wasn't meant as it read. I'm just not sure what you were getting at. Moms get flowers and candy and dinner traditionally men haven't wanted that stuff even I think some do and just won't admit it. Not to knock people over the head for things other people have done, I won't get into the throws of baby mama drama stuff, not many of us are living the perfect ideal life. I know I'm not and have some chapters I've closed. I just know that if more dads had the honest response like the Dave Chappell video you posted they'd get acknowledge more, unfortunately the hard truth is his response isn't typical and that's sad.

My dad passed on almost 20 yrs ago, so I don't acknowledge the day beyond remembering him, cause that man deserves gold, diamonds and furs. He put in countless hours of hair ripping, nail biting hours, days, years trying to deal with my stubborn behind.

Happy Belated Father's Day!

Empress said:

I have an amazing Dad. He's 81 and still going strong. Him and my mom were married for 60 years before she passed 2 years ago.

My Dad is the poster boy for what a real father should be. He worked hard for over 45 years. Had held 2 jobs at a time when I was a kid and was always there for us. He was also an amazing husband and he's a caring, loving grandfather too.

I wish my Dad many more years of life.

Graycap23 said:

Maybe................just maybe if people stop getting caught up in these man made holidays their stress levels can remain at a reasonable levels. Holidays like this were designed 2 get people into spending theitr hard earned money on nonsense they DON'T need.

"stress levels"?

I think folks are getting caught up with cards and shit. It ain't about that.

I'm talking ABOUT the SENTIMENT!

CocoRock said:

Graycap23 said:

Maybe................just maybe if people stop getting caught up in these man made holidays their stress levels can remain at a reasonable levels. Holidays like this were designed 2 get people into spending theitr hard earned money on nonsense they DON'T need.

"stress levels"?

People get stressed out over the expectations that these so called Holiday's create.

It is 100% man made nonsense.

Do u really need a holiday 2 say u love one of your parents?

Graycap23 said:

CocoRock said:

"stress levels"?

People get stressed out over the expectations that these so called Holiday's create.

It is 100% man made nonsense.

Do u really need a holiday 2 say u love one of your parents?

Obviously, the answer is no. But since they are there, why is one more revered than the other is what I'm after.

Subtract the "Days" set aside for parents, and I'm sure the respect, love or whatever you care to call it would lean towards Mothers.

CocoRock said:

Graycap23 said:

People get stressed out over the expectations that these so called Holiday's create.

It is 100% man made nonsense.

Do u really need a holiday 2 say u love one of your parents?

Obviously, the answer is no. But since they are there, why is one more revered than the other is what I'm after.

Subtract the "Days" set aside for parents, and I'm sure the respect, love or whatever you care to call it would lean towards Mothers.

Why?

More Mothers raising kids than fathers mostly, plus people spend way more $$$ on Mther's day than Fathers day.

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Graycap23 said:

CocoRock said:

Obviously, the answer is no. But since they are there, why is one more revered than the other is what I'm after.

Subtract the "Days" set aside for parents, and I'm sure the respect, love or whatever you care to call it would lean towards Mothers.

Why?

More Mothers raising kinds than fathers mostly, plus people spend way more $$$ on Mther's day than Fathers day.

Never. Mind.

(NOT nevermind edit)

I think you're confusing the issue. While we can safely assume there are more Moms fufilling their duties as parents, there ARE Dads who are doing the same, yet the recognition level is not the same.

That. Is. All.

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CocoRock said:

Graycap23 said:

Why?

More Mothers raising kinds than fathers mostly, plus people spend way more $$$ on Mther's day than Fathers day.

Never. Mind.

(NOT nevermind edit)

I think you're confusing the issue. While we can safely assume there are more Moms fufilling their duties as parents, there ARE Dads who are doing the same, yet the recognition level is not the same.

That. Is. All.

[Edited 6/18/13 10:25am]

I agree with u but women care more this sort of stuff so that is where the focus is.

Graycap23 said:

CocoRock said:

Never. Mind.

(NOT nevermind edit)

I think you're confusing the issue. While we can safely assume there are more Moms fufilling their duties as parents, there ARE Dads who are doing the same, yet the recognition level is not the same.

That. Is. All.

[Edited 6/18/13 10:25am]

I agree with u but women care more this sort of stuff so that is where the focus is.

MoBetterBliss said:

the world is an unbelievably sexist place... that manifests in many different ways

MoBetterBliss said:

ZombieKitten said:

MoBetterBliss said:

the world is an unbelievably sexist place... that manifests in many different ways

What about the fact that Father's Day isn't even until September

yep... australia is rife with delayed sexism

MoBetterBliss said:

ZombieKitten said:

MoBetterBliss said: What about the fact that Father's Day isn't even until September

yep... australia is rife with delayed sexism

Graycap23 said:

CocoRock said:

Never. Mind.

(NOT nevermind edit)

I think you're confusing the issue. While we can safely assume there are more Moms fufilling their duties as parents, there ARE Dads who are doing the same, yet the recognition level is not the same.

That. Is. All.

[Edited 6/18/13 10:25am]

I agree with u but women care more this sort of stuff so that is where the focus is.

sorta like Valentines Day

CocoRock said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It's not about the actual birth process.

I think most men, even still, have a harder time 'emotionally' connecting,

Even though the father might be actually putting in more work for his kids and family in other ways.

.

Most kids/teens don't get it until later in life, that did did a lot for me/us.

.

A lot of men, not until 'mortality' hit's in different ways do we get it, that you have to be more emotionally available.

.

But a lot of this is because society and the times dictact a lot of it.

My cousins wife, was talking about needing her husband to be more connecting more open etc and then her 5yr old fell and started to cry and instictly she said "boys don't cry"

.

I think fathers no matter the age would appreciate more for Fathers Day and maybe kids would do more, if it matched the things that made them open and relaxed. Maybe a day on the Lake fishing, or doing whatever he like and would like to share with his family this time of year.

.

I got my card for my dad the day before, and the store-I was shocked was 1/2 way out of Fathers Cards, and then we took him to a steak house and I expected a 15-20 minute wait tops. I was shocked there it took about 40 min to get a spot. usually Fathers day you can get it anywhere quick.

Does that mean it's not worth the effort?

Not at all, it's definately worth the effort, and like I said, that isn't all men, every father & family is different. You made a family now do the things to better yourself so you can be available...

Emotions are emotions, if you can be open emotionally for a sport that you cry laugh shout get angry, then you can do it for your kids...

.

But it can make it harder. People from certain cultures may have it a lot easier, some cultures/ethnic groups are very emotional and expressive.