Dave1992 said:

MacDaddy said:

Do I believe that some people who are overweight are lazy? Sure. I can be lazy as hell as well, so I know how that feels.

You being lazy? That's the craziest thing I've heard in a while. I believe you're very, very self-disciplined and hard-working, also when it comes to keeping your body in shape. At least that's the impression I got!

Ha thanks

I mean that I am lazy as well sometimes, as in I want to hang on a couch and read a book and nothing else. That has no impact on my own gym routine, I just meant to say that I know how it feels to be lazy.

Also something to think about;

Timmy84 said:

Hahaha... why do some "fit" dudes always gotta be the assholes? That's why no one likes 'em.

Sometimes its the fat guys who can be worse assholes than the fit ones. I've encountered some overweight men who would have the audacity to look at women and say "not interested in her, she needs to join a gym" Really, when you really need to join a fat camp with your jelly roll donut stomach sitting out like you are pregnant?

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LadyCasanova said:

SUPRMAN said:

Why people seem to expect it when it comes to their pet projects is beyond me.

I'm sorry, but I don't consider bringing resources into the communities I grew up in a "pet project."

Nor do I consider working with the low income population that I stem from a "pet project."

The children and adults that I work with are people I grew up with, are people who are related to

me, and are people who welcome me into their schools, home, and lives.

I do not consider myself "better" than any of my community members. I do recognize my privilege

and simply wish to bring back to the people I consider family.

If you don't want to recognize social inequalities, that fine with me. Ill do me and you can do you.

Does 'sacred cows' make you feel better?

It's not a lack of recognition of social inequalities, but c'mon, the idea that people have zero clue about what is or isn't good for them?

Plenty of green stuff grows free why not eat that?

Whether it's from television, extended family diet, school, playmates,children and people in general acquire a basis knowledge of what to eat.

Just because people know better, that is no guarantee they will do better. Some will and some will not.

I know I might sound too much like Brother Andy (Vainandy), but.........

If actor/model/recording artist Tyrese really wants to help "fat" people lose weight and decrease body fat, he needs to start increasing the got damn tempo in his music. Overweight people can NOT lose weight unless the music is play uptempo so people can dance to burn away the excess calories.

I'm always amazed when some people speak from their point of view or of the realties of their neighborhood or community than its suspect. What may be going on in your part of world may not be happening or isn't common knowledge in another part of the word, good grief.

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I've mentioned this before, its when you leave the US do you realize how BAD food is here. For the most part nothing taste as it should or once did. Our fish, fruits, meats, and vegetables have been genetically altered, sprayed with chemicals, and shot up with antibiotics, steroids or numerous growth hormones. Its one of the reasons why young girls ages of 8, 9, 10 are wearing training bras already. FDA pretty much has allowed these farm conglomerates / food manufactures do whatever they please. There's been little if any studies done on the possible long term effects of an altered food chain. I suspect that some of these diseases that have jumped up and off the charts in the past 3 decades such as Alzheimer's, Autism, Dementia, some types of cancer, and yes obesity / Diabetes is due in part with significant changes in how our food is grown. Our food isn't being changed for our well being, it's been altered for higher profits.

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Processed foods are no good, fast food chains, or anything you can buy in a box, can or jar at your locale grocery store. How many people are eating food prepared fresh these days? Though there are healthy meals you can whip up in minutes, cooking takes time; if you want something quick, you should make yourself a sandwich. Cooking from scratch is becoming a lost art.

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To speak to LadyCasanova and Tina's experiences. What is sold and what isn't sold in a community has an impact on the types are food purchased and the habits developed. Farm markets, poultry, meats markets were a mainstay throughout the US. Farm market prices tend to be much cheaper than grocery chain stores. We had one of the last fresh market food stores close in Chicago last year. There's a greater chance many families who brought their fruits and vegetable from that store will now limit or eliminate certain foods from their diets because they can't afford them. For example, black people cook string beans but they cook pole beans aka Kentucky Wonders. They don't sell pole beans in Kogers, Jewel's, Walmart, Meijer... The beans those stores sale are meant to be blanched / steamed and covered in some butter and almonds.

So when we speak of food and health eating there are other dimensions of the debate that must be looked at. (IMHO)

paintedlady said:

I hope he falls deeply in love with someone other than himself, like a perfectly curvy woman and she gets fat as shit on him.... after he marries her and she takes all his money.

I hope his daughter gets fat as hell too.

love it!

Obesity is a symptom. People are obese due to emotional issues. It's no different than being a drug addict or alcoholic, except food is being used as the drug of choice. Any reasonable and prudent person would never tell a drug addict or alcololic that they want to be that way. They would advise the addict to get help because people know addiction is a symptom of something much deeper. Obesity needs to be treated from the inside first, then the outside. We do it the other way around, which is why so many of us struggle. Studies prove that sugar and flour release chemicals in the brain to make you feel better, just like cocaine. People go on these fad diets and exercise for 2 hours every day and lose a bunch of weight. Then, as soon as life starts to happen, the weight comes back on because food is the way that they deal. It's not as easy as exercising 8 hours a day, drinking protein shakes and eating salads all day. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, but I've always felt Tyrese was an ass-wipe and his ignorant, uneducated statements have just confirmed my feelings.

Not sure why anyone would care what this dudes says. He's entitled to his opinion and certainly can find whatever he wants to be "disgusting".

However, after reading a lot of the comments on here...let's be real here.

Most people are NOT overweight and obese because of a medical condition.

And I also don't really find the excuse that eating healthy is too expensive to be a reason why people do not eat well.

People are fat for a number of reasons.

The term "lazy" is really stupid. The image of the fat, lazy no good sitting on the couch all day stuffing his face is really not representative of most people. Most are hard working people who are on the go every day and at the end of the day most really do not want to head out to the gym or go running/walking to take off the extra weight that they have put on over time. Does that make them lazy? No, it makes them people not wanting to put in the EXTRA effort - for whatever reason.

People are also fat because of emotional eating, and I'm not talking about the woman that is eating a tub of ice cream because her bf dumped her. Food is comfort in general. We get together over food, we celebrate with food, it's our culture to equate happiness with food.

As for the healthy vs unhealthy food. Come on, guys...people eat the crap food because it freaking tastes better. If "bad" food tasted like shit, no one would eat it. That's really all there is to that.

Our culture in general is unhealthy...period. It's just that some people wear their unhealthiness and others don't due to metabolism and all that jazz.

Am fat, but far from nasty. Don't get Ving Rhamesed, Baby Boy.

missfee said:

Timmy84 said:

Hahaha... why do some "fit" dudes always gotta be the assholes? That's why no one likes 'em.

Sometimes its the fat guys who can be worse assholes than the fit ones. I've encountered some overweight men who would have the audacity to look at women and say "not interested in her, she needs to join a gym" Really, when you really need to join a fat camp with your jelly roll donut stomach sitting out like you are pregnant?

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Yup. Remember Michael in 'Waiting to Exhale' ? That character thought he was all that and the bag of chips he ate before hookin' up with Lela Rochon's character and reminded me of many a a well heeled acquaintance that would hold up a more intensive physical standard for the women they would vs. what's acceptable for themselves, the hypocrisy of which still always cracked me up.

Still, Tyrese needs to go sit his ass down somewhere and CEASE SPEAKING, unless he's got a cue card gig that does not require him to go off script. It NEVER works out well for him whenever he opens his mouth about anything other than a music release. Ever. He seems to be the only one who hasn't figured that out yet.

paintedlady said:

I hope he falls deeply in love with someone other than himself, like a perfectly curvy woman and she gets fat as shit on him.... after he marries her and she takes all his money.

I hope his daughter gets fat as hell too.

and wouldn't be just cheeky as hell if he gained about 100 or so pounds due to a dormant food disorder. (i don't wish it upon him - but you know how karma can be )

imo tyrese should be careful how he labels others, lest he become a victim of his own labeling. ["fat and nasty"]. he should consider the issues of those with eating disorders.

or what if he get bigger and his shower mirrors never fog up! then he'll meet his own "mr. fat and nasty."

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missfee said:

Timmy84 said:

Hahaha... why do some "fit" dudes always gotta be the assholes? That's why no one likes 'em.

Sometimes its the fat guys who can be worse assholes than the fit ones. I've encountered some overweight men who would have the audacity to look at women and say "not interested in her, she needs to join a gym" Really, when you really need to join a fat camp with your jelly roll donut stomach sitting out like you are pregnant?

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So assholes don't discriminate.

TD3 said:

yeah, whatever...

grabbing for my 8th piece of pizza...

#1 - Tyresse is an idiot. We don't know the context of his comments (was he trying to be funny?) but as a "celebrity" he should know better. If he really meant what he said, then he's not just an idiot but an asshole as well.

#2 - There is Overweight and there is Obese. Overweight is when you're carrying a few extra pounds...you can be healthy and active but carrying around a few extra pounds. Obesity is when your weight is a bonafide health concern that not only decreases your quality of life but leads to all sorts of illnesses and an early grave.

#3 - The factors that lead to being overweight and obese are many. Being "lazy" (in the traditional sense) is one of them. There's also metabolism, depression, poor diet, etc., etc. But yes, laziness is one of them. Laziness can lead to poor diet choices (along with the other factors that LadyCasanova mentioned)...but yeah, let me tell you...as a single dad it is VERY easy to pop some Ellio's frozen pizza in the oven and call it "dinner", as opposed to preparing some meat the night before, then coming home after work and cooking it, then making some pasta, and steaming some broccoli, then fighting for twenty minutes with the kids & threatening to throw their Xbix out the window if they don't eat some damn vegetables.
Frozen pizza = easy

Real dinner = hard

Now...if I can only get my lazy ass off this site and go hit the gym...

PurpleJedi said:

Now...if I can only get my lazy ass off this site and go hit the gym...

You are a very handsome man. The entire org seems to agree with me on this, despite the way you dress and all.

I feel the same way about his hate comments about fat people, the same as I feel when people make hate comments about people due to their race or sexuality. If he don't like it, fuck him. He ain't paying nobody's bills so ain't nobody got to answer to him or even give a damn what he feels about them. Simply tell him to kiss your ass if he don't like it and if your ass is fat, then you've got even more ass he can kiss. Don't worry about assholes that don't care about you and simply worry about those that do care.

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PurpleJedi said:

TD3 said:

yeah, whatever...

grabbing for my 8th piece of pizza...

and good evenin'!

....this is the typical sage advice Tyrese likes to bestow on us (this 'men's men' talk ). Lord, his delivery really needs work :

There's like no happy medium with this guy, he sees or has only ever encountered everything in black or white, dude has zero understanding of shade or nuance or any semblance of variation in life experiences or the kinds of people you can encounter in life. His life just sounds like one big old fat stereotype. One that has nothing to do with anyone I know or how they manage their relationships.

imago said:

I've been skinny, fat, and medium. I'm somewhere between fat and medium now, and edging slowly downward with no intention to be 'skinny' again. It was, is, and always will be a choice.

However, at all of my various weights, even when fat, I was cute. So, I'm not sure what this 'nasty' thing is implying on his part unless he's talking about morbidly obese women or something ( yeah, yeah--I know, we're supposed to say all sizes are beatufiul ).

What I don't get about his statement is that it publically helps no one. You can't criticize a fat person into losing weight. It's not like they don't know or they haven't tried before. Nobody wants to be called 'nasty' in public or told that they are ugly--It's almost like trying to get someone to score a perfect 100% on an exam by telling them they are stupid because of a history of C grades. It doesn't work that way.

Same here. I've been all sizes and when I've lost weight, I've lost it very quickly. Mainly because when I'm hellbent on something, I'm very hellbent on it to the point of obsession. But it never would have happened if I hadn't lost a lot of weight in one week. Well, the first week you always lose about 10 pounds because you're losing water so I expected that. But I also lost 10 pounds the second week and the third week. If I only only lost 2 pounds each week like the doctor was saying was going to happen, I would have given up because I'm too damn impatient. If I don't see quick, immediate results, I don't have time for it because I get bored with it. But I'm talking 30 pounds in only three weeks so I was starting to get noticed and that motivated me even more.

Did I exercise, hell no. Not one single lick. Hell, exercise is boring and I don't do boring. It's also painful and I don't do pain either. I simply cut out as much red meat as possible, switched to diet soft drinks instead of regular ones, started reading labels and buying low fat brands instead of regular ones, and switched from regular Budweiser on weekends, to Bud Light. No, I didn't cut out beer and no I didn't drink only two or three beers. Fuck that, I'm always gonna have fun. Life with no fun is not worth living. When I drank on the weekends, I drank the same way I always did, almost a 12 pack a night on Fridays, Saturdays, and holidays. I also did strictly baked chicken breasts, baked fish, or ground turkey breast instead of ground beef. After three weeks, then I started losing either 5 or 7 pounds a week which was still more than 2 pounds a week that the doctor said would start happening. I ate one meal a day and that was when I got off work in the evening and when I ate that meal, I ate the hell out of some food but it was still all the bland stuff that I had picked out with the least amount of fat possible. I stayed hungry as hell all day. When I'd get hungry, I'd drink a Diet Coke and that would satisfy me temporarily. I smoked the hell out of some cigarettes too to get my mind off food. If I lost the normal 2 pounds a week, I got pissed. When the 2 pounds a week started, I started punishing myself by cutting out meat some days so I could still lose the 5 or more pounds a week.

It was miserable as hell but my goal was to get down to the weight I wanted as quickly as possible so that I could afford some fuck ups by eating some actual GOOD food. Food that is actually good is very pleasurable. It tastes delicious and it is irresistable. I can deny myself it temporarily but not for the rest of my life. It's too damn good to give up. I knew if I got to the weight I wanted, if I gained 10 pounds from fucking up, I could easily be miserable for a week and lose it right back again. I lost 100 pounds in less than a year back in 2001 and kept it off until 2007 when my mother was dying and I didn't have the strength to be miserable from not having anything GOOD to eat and also deal with what was going on with her too. Finally, I just said fuck it and it started creeping back as each year passed. Plus, I was in my 30s then and I'm 45 now and I've always heard if you're going to lose weight, you better do it before you get in your 40s because your body changes and it's even harder to lose it.

About once every few months I say I'm going to try to lose about half of what I lost before. I didn't gain it all back but I only lack about 20 or 30 pounds of gaining it all back. I have no desire to lose it all back because I'm 6' 5" and people were begging me to stop when I got down to about 215 or 220. I had gotten down to 175 and some folks were saying I looked like a well dressed crackhead. But if I don't lose one single pound or even if I gain some more, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I've got enough money and car problems to lose sleep over without having to worry about losing weight which is the least of my worries right now and if it's someone else's worry, well fuck 'em, it ain't none of their fucking business anyway. I'm just glad I've got more ass available for them to kiss if they don't like it and as for "nasty", honey, I've been nasty as hell for decades whether I was small, medium, or large. If somebody wants to see how nasty I am, tell 'em to unzip their pants and I'll show 'em.

But if Tyrese would like to buy me a brand new car and also buy me a paid for house and give me enough money to where I have no financial worries, I will gladly go right back on the diet tomorrow. Oh yeah, he's going to have to pay for my food too because that damn baked fish and baked chicken breasts cost some big time money that I don't have. And he can also hire and pay for me a personal chef to come up with interesting low fat dishes to keep me from getting bored and getting off the diet and they also need to cook it for me too because I don't know how to cook it. And those ingredients for those creative dishes costs some money too because it takes a lot of different ingredients to put some flavor in that bland shit. If I'm going to do it again, I'm not going to go through the misery I went through the first time. And as for the personal exercise trainer, I don't need one of those because, like I said before, I don't do boring. He can come over personally and I'll get my exercise thrusting my hips and stomach while I face fuck his face. Remember honey, if Andy don't get no fun out of it, he gets bored REAL easily.

So it's up to him. I'm not lazy, I'm very willing if it can be interesting and flavorful enough foods to keep me from getting bored with it and quitting. But the question is, is he too lazy to foot the bill for it? If he is, then he can simply mind his own business. Oh so it shouldn't be up to him to finance someone else's problems. Well, I think it is if he thinks it's important enought to run his mouth about folks. See, you done got me typing paragraphs about that little asshole.

Stymie said:

Do people remotely care about the drivel that falls from their lips anymore? Sure, people who are overweight can do something about it but if its not harming YOU, then you really need to shut your yap. Does it offend him to have to look at us? Also I feel if someone is not perfect, which no one is, they need to keep such judgements to themselves. I can fix being fat. I hope he can fix his assholeness.

I know you've said plenty of times before about people have talked about you for your weight but I mean this with every fiber of my body. If they don't like it, fuck 'em. It's not your problem, it's theirs. There are assholes in this world who will hate you for something that is absolutely none of their fucking business for the sheer pleasure of making themselves feel good by looking down on someone else. They will talk all that bullshit and make excuses for their hate such as "you've only done it to yourself" or "they're worried about your health", but the truth is, they say those things so that people won't see the real reason why they talk that shit which is because they really and truly get enjoyment out of the hate because it makes them feel like they're better than someone else. Yes, weight can be unhealthy and yes there are people that worry about your health. But the ones that are really and truly worried about your health, are close friends or family members. Some asshole stranger ain't worried about your health whatsoever. They're only worried about getting a laugh by putting you down in front of their friends who are usually assholes too. So like I said before, if somebody don't like it, fuck 'em.

When I was successful at losing my weight, I didn't tell one single person I was going on a diet. I had tried many times before and told people and always failed and the bastards got true enjoyment out of seeing me fail. I didn't tell one single person that way, if I did fail, no one would know so no one could gloat. When I did start losing it, I noticed that those same people didn't like that I was losing it. Then I started getting accused of smoking crack or having AIDS by them and they were right there seeing the misery I was going through being hungry all the time. See what I mean, they want you to fail so they will have someone to feel superior to and when you're actually successful at losing it, then they start making up lies. But then again, when I did lose it, I threw my nose up in the air and looked down at them, gloated, at enjoyed it. Oh, I HAD to. That's the evil bitch in me. If somebody pisses me off, I'm GOING to enjoy revenge and gloating so that's why they started telling the lies. For once, I had gotten back at their asses and was loving it! But the whole time I kept the weight off, I never developed their attitude towards the people that weren't successful at losing it, nor the ones that didn't even try to lose it because you can only lose it when the circumstances are right for you and when you do lose it, there is a very good chance it will come back and you've got to think of that also. Never turn your nose up at someone if you might be in their shoes again. I've always loved Nell Carter's attitude though. She was a big bitch and you couldn't tell her shit. She saw herself as beautiful, she knew was, and she flaunted it.

TonyVanDam said:

I know I might sound too much like Brother Andy (Vainandy), but.........

If actor/model/recording artist Tyrese really wants to help "fat" people lose weight and decrease body fat, he needs to start increasing the got damn tempo in his music. Overweight people can NOT lose weight unless the music is play uptempo so people can dance to burn away the excess calories.

You got that right!

I say I never exercised when I lost my weight but I actually did. Every weekend, I was out shaking ass. It was the early 2000s so it was some of that tired ass trance shit but I did get a little ass shaking in. And every Saturday a few years later, WGN was showing the old episodes of "Soul Train" that I hadn't seen in ages and seeing those heffers shake that ass, got me to shaking my ass watching the TV too. But no, it ain't no fun shaking ass at home alone so music really DOES need to change back for the better so there is public ass shaking again. As for shaking it at home alone to the old episodes of "Soul Train", no you can't just throw in a DVD you recorded because it's not a surprise because you know what to expect. It has to feel like something you're experiencing for the first time, not something you've experienced over and over. Plus, I was getting rewarded with plenty of dick at that time too. Hell, I made up for lost time. I had always had one on one dick but I when I lost that weight, I was having foursomes and fivesomes. I was an absolute whore, slut, and tramp all rolled up into one and was loving it!

imago said:

PurpleJedi said:

Now...if I can only get my lazy ass off this site and go hit the gym...

You are a very handsome man. The entire org seems to agree with me on this, despite the way you dress and all.

Ottensen said:

....this is the typical sage advice Tyrese likes to bestow on us (this 'men's men' talk ). Lord, his delivery really needs work :

There's like no happy medium with this guy, he sees or has only ever encountered everything in black or white, dude has zero understanding of shade or nuance or any semblance of variation in life experiences or the kinds of people you can encounter in life. His life just sounds like one big old fat stereotype. One that has nothing to do with anyone I know or how they manage their relationships.

This idiot has no idea what being an independent woman is. And I wish this fuckwads would stop lumping all of us together.

TonyVanDam said:

I know I might sound too much like Brother Andy (Vainandy), but.........

If actor/model/recording artist Tyrese really wants to help "fat" people lose weight and decrease body fat, he needs to start increasing the got damn tempo in his music. Overweight people can NOT lose weight unless the music is play uptempo so people can dance to burn away the excess calories.

Right on! He need to be ranting about that dull-ass, predictable, generic album he's releasing with Tank and Ginuwine! Was that mess ever released?

When he starts having kids and dealing with real life problems then he can come aand tell me its a choice!

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JustErin said:

Not sure why anyone would care what this dudes says. He's entitled to his opinion and certainly can find whatever he wants to be "disgusting".

However, after reading a lot of the comments on here...let's be real here.

Most people are NOT overweight and obese because of a medical condition.

And I also don't really find the excuse that eating healthy is too expensive to be a reason why people do not eat well.

People are fat for a number of reasons.

The term "lazy" is really stupid. The image of the fat, lazy no good sitting on the couch all day stuffing his face is really not representative of most people. Most are hard working people who are on the go every day and at the end of the day most really do not want to head out to the gym or go running/walking to take off the extra weight that they have put on over time. Does that make them lazy? No, it makes them people not wanting to put in the EXTRA effort - for whatever reason.

People are also fat because of emotional eating, and I'm not talking about the woman that is eating a tub of ice cream because her bf dumped her. Food is comfort in general. We get together over food, we celebrate with food, it's our culture to equate happiness with food.

As for the healthy vs unhealthy food. Come on, guys...people eat the crap food because it freaking tastes better. If "bad" food tasted like shit, no one would eat it. That's really all there is to that.

Our culture in general is unhealthy...period. It's just that some people wear their unhealthiness and others don't due to metabolism and all that jazz.

"bad" or processed food is always enhanced to give it a nice smell and a great taste. But the smell and taste are manufactured. Here's a company that enhances the taste of processed food: http://www.iff.com/compan...rview.aspx

I do not think that fastfood tastes good, no matter which kind. But that's just personal. I do think it is important to realise what's being done to food.

Cinny said:

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Yessss, let the for crusade Public Ass Shakin' begin!

Dear Tyrese, Some men like banging us nasty fatties and get very very sad when we decide to take those pounds off. Having been a size 2x and now a 16 I have made some men not-so-happy. Unfortunately, many men a closet fat lovers. This can be shown by how many man have a mistress who is fatter then their wife. Anyway, thanks for your opinion, Deadflow3r.