I used to see Tyrese at the gym back when i lived in Hollywood and he seemed kind of liek an asshole but that is besides the point.

As many know for almost a year i have been doing personal training and have gotten in good shape and finally happy with my body...

And everyone has reasons for why they can't workout or diet 24/7(Whether it be work, money, kids etc.)

But he is right on the fact of if you don't like the way you look do somethign! i kept bitching for a long time and got my ass moving. Now he didn't have to sound like he has Tyson Beckfords dick up his ass while saying it but he is right if you want to get better then do something instead of complain. I used to do nothing but complain.. you know what that got me? calories and ice cream

imago said:

However, at all of my various weights, even when fat, I was cute. So, I'm not sure what this 'nasty' thing is implying

LadyCasanova said:

imago said:

However, at all of my various weights, even when fat, I was cute. So, I'm not sure what this 'nasty' thing is implying

I make an extremely cute fat person

LadyCasanova said:

tinaz said:

But you have to agree that they KNOW its bad for them, but they keep doing it anyway! It not like they live on a deserted island!

It really depends on the "they." If I cram a box of oreo's down my throat, that's my bad. I know

better. I have the income to have a better diet. I make enough to work less and have time

to make myself healthy meals. The area I live in is safe enough to exercise in.

I work for a company that does social justice work for the community. We hold health and positive

eating classes in some of the areas I am talking about. You would be horrified by some of the

questions we are asked/ answers we get to our questions.

One parent told me, "I make sure my kids eat healthy, I never give them soda, and they

take ramen to lunch, not hot chips or cookies." Ramen?!?! Really?

I agree that SOME of them know it is bad for them. I also believe that there is a difference

between being told something is bad for you and understanding why something is bad for you.

There is also a difference between understanding why something is bad for you and knowing

how to make healthy decisions.

But that's why I get involved. Thats why I do work around food justice. That's why I volunteer my

time at middle schools in the bay area that serve low income populations. I want them to have

resources. I want them to understand what healthy eating really means/is.

It isn't all their fault, but neither is it impossible to change.

[Edited 4/12/13 18:09pm]

I see what your saying... I really do!

But you are talking extreme cases.. I am talking about people I know, people I see who live in my area who i KNOW can read, write and watch television..

Hell, I have family members and friends who have health problems and KNOW its because they are overweight, yet post pics of every cheese covered deep fat fried swimming in heavy cream sauces meal they cook on FB.. And he works in the medical field!!


They choose to ignore it because its not easy... I see it everyday!

OR!

They try to take the easy way out by drinking stupid ass shakes from Body by Vi.. They KNOW howto do it, but dont want to make the effort...

[Edited 4/12/13 18:23pm]

[Edited 4/12/13 18:25pm]

tinaz said:

But you are talking extreme cases.. I am talking about people I know, people I see who live in my area who i KNOW can read, write and watch television..

Extreme but not uncommon. Really depends on where you are.

hmm, I wonder whose fault he thinks it is when people are totally insensitive

I guess the reason why i took this personally was because I have certain weight issues. As a Kid, I was real skinny and I would get comments about being pencil thin. However during Puberty I gained weight and got labeled as the fat kid. From the age of 12 to now, I tried so many things to lose weight, stupid things, which caused me to gain weight. I don't care what Tyrese says, but rather, i take it personally when people say that fat people don't try to lose weight. I try to lose weight, my diet isn't necessary bad. I don't know i got mostly offended by the comments here and the people saying that we just use a bunch of excuses. I've realized, that its in our nature to care what others think of us. I want to go against that notion , I don't care anymore. Truly

Do I believe that some people who are overweight are lazy? Sure. I can be lazy as hell as well, so I know how that feels.

But I mostly believe that the majority of people who are overweight at some point are doing something about it. The reason why they might fail is because maybe we think we know what we eat but often we do not.

Creating a healthy lifestyle also requires a change of awareness, and that's not always an easy thing to do because it does mean you may need to drop some belief systems.

We want to believe that there is at least some nutritional value in the food we eat, whether it is fastfood or we buy it at the supermarket. But most most of our food contain processed, refined ingredients and chemicals and is void of any nutrients. By processing food we destroy food.

Look at what companies like Monsanto do to food/crops worldwide. They want to increase their revenue above anything else, including your health.

Light, or low fat products are concoctions of chemicals, hydrogenated oils etc. They will never help you loose weight. I would suggest to get as much information about the food you buy and eat as possible. And try to get information from as many sources as possible, also go the 'alternative' route. Even if this does not appeal to you, it will increase your knowlegde about food.

MacDaddy said:

Do I believe that some people who are overweight are lazy? Sure. I can be lazy as hell as well, so I know how that feels.

But I mostly believe that the majority of people who are overweight at some point are doing something about it. The reason why they might fail is because maybe we think we know what we eat but often we do not.

Creating a healthy lifestyle also requires a change of awareness, and that's not always an easy thing to do because it does mean you may need to drop some belief systems.

We want to believe that there is at least some nutritional value in the food we eat, whether it is fastfood or we buy it at the supermarket. But most most of our food contain processed, refined ingredients and chemicals and is void of any nutrients. By processing food we destroy food.

Look at what companies like Monsanto do to food/crops worldwide. They want to increase their revenue above anything else, including your health.

Light, or low fat products are concoctions of chemicals, hydrogenated oils etc. They will never help you loose weight. I would suggest to get as much information about the food you buy and eat as possible. And try to get information from as many sources as possible, also go the 'alternative' route. Even if this does not appeal to you, it will increase your knowlegde about food.

I think there are a whole host of issues around weight, especialy in America. I think it also boils down to the physical activity we all have. I can't imagine how difficult it must be fore folks in cold weather climates, being that it severely limits not just what you can do but where you can do it--and for a lot overweight folks the thought of exercising in an inclosed environment around people who they think will snicker is horrifying.

But it's everything, isn't i? I mean, we [ America ] sneak corn sweatener into everything. We sneak aspertame (NOT HEALTH AT ALL) into everything (gum, diet sodas, toothpaste, even the ginger in Sushi).

We've been raised to think that our drinks must be flavored--that water only is just too dull.


There's a fascinating podcast I listened to about how food companies discovered there are upper limits to what humans consider delicious when it comes to sweet flavors. It's the limit where folks will go from liking the taste to being turned off by it or overwhelmed by it. (heat, salt, sugar, and 'fat' were tested) They max these out in our products to make us feel that we totally need them. [ There is no upper limit of our enjoyment of fat by the way--we never get tired of the 'fat' taste, so ice cream could theoretically be made super fat, and humans would never get tired of the taste--not true with sugar, spice, and salt. Anyways, when asked if these things could be eliminated or greatly reduced, the guys at 'Doritos' (i think) allowed the participants of the study to sample what products would taste like in their lab without these flavor additives---the results were not pretty. Fast food companies must make a profit, so they bombard us with flavors that have unhealthy consequences.


In all honesty, a person will to do some extra work can prepare really delicious food that not only aids in weight loss, but increases health as well. When I became an amaetuer raw vegan food chef, I made some amazingly flavorful dishes, AND I was losing weight rapidly while pigging out.

This thread has inspired me to step up my routine

BTW, macdaddy, you have always had the most gorgeous body, especially that ass.

imago said:

MacDaddy said:

Do I believe that some people who are overweight are lazy? Sure. I can be lazy as hell as well, so I know how that feels.

But I mostly believe that the majority of people who are overweight at some point are doing something about it. The reason why they might fail is because maybe we think we know what we eat but often we do not.

Creating a healthy lifestyle also requires a change of awareness, and that's not always an easy thing to do because it does mean you may need to drop some belief systems.

We want to believe that there is at least some nutritional value in the food we eat, whether it is fastfood or we buy it at the supermarket. But most most of our food contain processed, refined ingredients and chemicals and is void of any nutrients. By processing food we destroy food.

Look at what companies like Monsanto do to food/crops worldwide. They want to increase their revenue above anything else, including your health.

Light, or low fat products are concoctions of chemicals, hydrogenated oils etc. They will never help you loose weight. I would suggest to get as much information about the food you buy and eat as possible. And try to get information from as many sources as possible, also go the 'alternative' route. Even if this does not appeal to you, it will increase your knowlegde about food.

I think there are a whole host of issues around weight, especialy in America. I think it also boils down to the physical activity we all have. I can't imagine how difficult it must be fore folks in cold weather climates, being that it severely limits not just what you can do but where you can do it--and for a lot overweight folks the thought of exercising in an inclosed environment around people who they think will snicker is horrifying.

But it's everything, isn't i? I mean, we [ America ] sneak corn sweatener into everything. We sneak aspertame (NOT HEALTH AT ALL) into everything (gum, diet sodas, toothpaste, even the ginger in Sushi).

We've been raised to think that our drinks must be flavored--that water only is just too dull.


There's a fascinating podcast I listened to about how food companies discovered there are upper limits to what humans consider delicious when it comes to sweet flavors. It's the limit where folks will go from liking the taste to being turned off by it or overwhelmed by it. (heat, salt, sugar, and 'fat' were tested) They max these out in our products to make us feel that we totally need them. [ There is no upper limit of our enjoyment of fat by the way--we never get tired of the 'fat' taste, so ice cream could theoretically be made super fat, and humans would never get tired of the taste--not true with sugar, spice, and salt. Anyways, when asked if these things could be eliminated or greatly reduced, the guys at 'Doritos' (i think) allowed the participants of the study to sample what products would taste like in their lab without these flavor additives---the results were not pretty. Fast food companies must make a profit, so they bombard us with flavors that have unhealthy consequences.


In all honesty, a person will to do some extra work can prepare really delicious food that not only aids in weight loss, but increases health as well. When I became an amaetuer raw vegan food chef, I made some amazingly flavorful dishes, AND I was losing weight rapidly while pigging out.

This thread has inspired me to step up my routine

BTW, macdaddy, you have always had the most gorgeous body, especially that ass.

It's wonderful that people are becoming more aware of the importance of healthy eating. You become what you eat: healty or unhealthy.

Oh and

babynoz said:

Fat people can lose weight easier than he can fix his low IQ or his ugly mug, that's for sure.

I've always felt that Tyrese was sort of an asshole. Now this confirms it.

It's not the point that he was making that offends me, its his delivery. Of course if you don't like something about yourself, rather than making excuses, you can fix it...but to say it in such a way to put folks down is just rude as fuck. He really should be considering enrolling in the Actor's Studio for a few years because there aren't really excuses for his BAD acting. He's worked his ass off to take shitty roles and act shitty in them.

Note to Tyrese: Dude no one's really checking for you. The only reason why women pay to see you onscreen or buy your shitty mediocre music is because they like the way your body looks, not your fuckin' face. Get a clue mitch and stfu.

[Edited 4/13/13 5:41am]

Timmy84 said:

Celebrities and social issues/politics should be kept separate.

I don't think celebrities are above or below having an opinion if it's at least informed and/or quasi-literate.

Tyrese, however, doesn't fall in that category, so he is more than welcome to go have a seat and keep his mouth shut. That mouth should never be opened for anything other than singing a love ballad on a tv awards show. Ever.

missfee said:

babynoz said:

Fat people can lose weight easier than he can fix his low IQ or his ugly mug, that's for sure.

I've always felt that Tyrese was sort of an asshole. Now this confirms it.

It's not the point that he was making that offends me, its his delivery. Of course if you don't like something about yourself, rather than making excuses, you can fix it...but to say it in such a way to put folks down is just rude as fuck. He really should be considering enrolling in the Actor's Studio for a few years because there aren't really excuses for his BAD acting. He's worked his ass off to take shitty roles and act shitty in them.

Note to Tyrese: Dude no one's really checking for you. The only reason why women pay to see you onscreen or buy your shitty mediocre music is because they like the way your body looks, not your fuckin' face. Get a clue mitch and stfu.

[Edited 4/13/13 5:41am]

I'd much rather spend time with a nice, intelligent big dude than a fit, ignorant jackass.

Hahaha... why do some "fit" dudes always gotta be the assholes? That's why no one likes 'em.

Timmy84 said:

Celebrities and social issues/politics should be kept separate.

Why? They are people with opinions also.

[Edited 4/13/13 17:04pm]

LadyCasanova said:

He needs to actually do some research about food disparity in the United States before he starts running his mouth.

There are reasons why when you go into neighborhoods in East Oakland all that is within walking distance is liquor stores and fast food places.

They get their targeted group at a young age by ramming themselves into every low income neighborhood they can get into and making their poison cheap. Hell, it took us 6 months to get

the liquor store near RMS to start carrying (limited) fruit options.

Of course my people are growing up with unhealthy eating habits. That is what is made available.

I also believe it is an addiction. It takes a long time to unlearn the lessons you internalized as a

child. Hell, there is talk about changing things so that EBT can be used at fast food places, most

liquor stores have already done that.

Also, not everyone that is overweight is sick, eating unhealthy, or not exercising.

Yes, being 250+ of fat is not (usually) healthy, but neither (usually) is being a size 0-1 when you're a grown ass adult.

It is also easy to be fit when people are paying you for the use of your body. Tyrese doesn't

know what the fuck he is talking about. He can afford a personal trainer, gets paid to exercise,

and prob has someone else cooking his meals too.

(Spacing edit)

[Edited 4/12/13 16:54pm]

Whew for a minute there I thought someone was going to bring up personal responsibility.

I'm guessing the government should provide healthier options . How? By telling McDonald's what to serve or a store to carry?

When is the last time a supermarket was profitable in a low income neighborhood with customers and clients both ripping off the store?

When the store closes due to its unprofitability, every cries about what someone is taking away.

LadyCasanova said:

tinaz said:

But you have to agree that they KNOW its bad for them, but they keep doing it anyway! It not like they live on a deserted island!

It really depends on the "they." If I cram a box of oreo's down my throat, that's my bad. I know

better. I have the income to have a better diet. I make enough to work less and have time

to make myself healthy meals. The area I live in is safe enough to exercise in.

I work for a company that does social justice work for the community. We hold health and positive

eating classes in some of the areas I am talking about. You would be horrified by some of the

questions we are asked/ answers we get to our questions.

One parent told me, "I make sure my kids eat healthy, I never give them soda, and they

take ramen to lunch, not hot chips or cookies." Ramen?!?! Really?

I agree that SOME of them know it is bad for them. I also believe that there is a difference

between being told something is bad for you and understanding why something is bad for you.

There is also a difference between understanding why something is bad for you and knowing

how to make healthy decisions.

But that's why I get involved. Thats why I do work around food justice. That's why I volunteer my

time at middle schools in the bay area that serve low income populations. I want them to have

resources. I want them to understand what healthy eating really means/is.

It isn't all their fault, but neither is it impossible to change.

[Edited 4/12/13 18:09pm]

Right because throughout history we've never had to learn what to eat and not to eat. And how much would make us sick or kill us.

What do you mean uneducated about what you eat?

It makes more sense to say, that as a practical matter, sweet, high fat and salty foods are cheap and filling. That and simply having the ability to be a consumer likely fuels a lot of it.

You at least have something in your stomach and it's not constantly growling.

Knowing better has never made people DO better. Why people seem to expect it when it comes to their pet projects is beyond me.

LadyCasanova said:

tinaz said:

But you have to agree that they KNOW its bad for them, but they keep doing it anyway! It not like they live on a deserted island!

It really depends on the "they." If I cram a box of oreo's down my throat, that's my bad. I know

better. I have the income to have a better diet. I make enough to work less and have time

to make myself healthy meals. The area I live in is safe enough to exercise in.

I work for a company that does social justice work for the community. We hold health and positive

eating classes in some of the areas I am talking about. You would be horrified by some of the

questions we are asked/ answers we get to our questions.

One parent told me, "I make sure my kids eat healthy, I never give them soda, and they

take ramen to lunch, not hot chips or cookies." Ramen?!?! Really?

I agree that SOME of them know it is bad for them. I also believe that there is a difference

between being told something is bad for you and understanding why something is bad for you.

There is also a difference between understanding why something is bad for you and knowing

how to make healthy decisions.

But that's why I get involved. Thats why I do work around food justice. That's why I volunteer my

time at middle schools in the bay area that serve low income populations. I want them to have

resources. I want them to understand what healthy eating really means/is.

It isn't all their fault, but neither is it impossible to change.

[Edited 4/12/13 18:09pm]

I find it hard to believe that you aren't condescending there also.

You can be fat and be healthy . What he points out about them they can find a whole bunch of stuff wrong with him besides the world is a toy box : dolls , care bears , ragdolls and the list goes on.

Frankly, he's right about 80% of all over-weight people (although his phrasing is quite clumsy). I'd say that most over-weight people (who moan about being fat) could actually actively do something about it and are at fault for becoming fat.

However, his comments are ignorant towards the many other over-weight people who do not have that much of a choice due to illness or their genes. And somehow you have to differenciate between those two, when commenting that harshly on over-weight people.

MacDaddy said:

Do I believe that some people who are overweight are lazy? Sure. I can be lazy as hell as well, so I know how that feels.

You being lazy? That's the craziest thing I've heard in a while. I believe you're very, very self-disciplined and hard-working, also when it comes to keeping your body in shape. At least that's the impression I got!

Instead of worrying about fat people, Tyrese should focus on his own character.

I guess when you are fit its easy to knock people who aren't. Why is it that people knock on others struggles but never fix their own? They criticize others openly but try to hide hide or deny their own flaws.

I wonder if someone pointed out his flaws would he be so accepting of the criticism?

Tyrese: "Yes, I am a judgemental vain jerk... I cheat and I also neglect my own child. I guess I would be a deadbeat dad if I wasn't so rich. Guess I should work on those flaws."

As far as fat people go...

being fat is sure as hell not "nasty" and to correlate the two together means that he has issues of hate towards overweight people.

Fat people are not nasty people. You can be nasty without being fat. Fat has shit to do with being nasty. I know plenty of skinny nasty asses too.

If you are nasty and fat... you can lose all the weight and be nasty and skinny.

Dave1992 said:

Frankly, he's right about 80% of all over-weight people (although his phrasing is quite clumsy). I'd say that most over-weight people (who moan about being fat) could actually actively do something about it and are at fault for becoming fat.

However, his comments are ignorant towards the many other over-weight people who do not have that much of a choice due to illness or their genes. And somehow you have to differenciate between those two, when commenting that harshly on over-weight people.

Actually...

100% of people who bitch moan and whine will do so for any reason for attention.

So some of those fat asses whine about being fat... they lose the weight, bet you they will moan about something else.

"I am fat..."

"Exercising is hard..."

"I am losing weight too slowly"

"I can't fit my clothes anymore"

"My friends are jealous of me"

"Everyone hates me because I am thin and beautiful"

LadyCasanova said:

tinaz said:

But you have to agree that they KNOW its bad for them, but they keep doing it anyway! It not like they live on a deserted island!

It really depends on the "they." If I cram a box of oreo's down my throat, that's my bad. I know

better. I have the income to have a better diet. I make enough to work less and have time

to make myself healthy meals. The area I live in is safe enough to exercise in.

I work for a company that does social justice work for the community. We hold health and positive

eating classes in some of the areas I am talking about. You would be horrified by some of the

questions we are asked/ answers we get to our questions.

One parent told me, "I make sure my kids eat healthy, I never give them soda, and they

take ramen to lunch, not hot chips or cookies." Ramen?!?! Really?

I agree that SOME of them know it is bad for them. I also believe that there is a difference

between being told something is bad for you and understanding why something is bad for you.

There is also a difference between understanding why something is bad for you and knowing

how to make healthy decisions.

But that's why I get involved. Thats why I do work around food justice. That's why I volunteer my

time at middle schools in the bay area that serve low income populations. I want them to have

resources. I want them to understand what healthy eating really means/is.

It isn't all their fault, but neither is it impossible to change.

[Edited 4/12/13 18:09pm]

I applaud your work. Do keep it up.

yeah, whatever...

grabbing for my 8th piece of pizza...

Dave1992 said:

Frankly, he's right about 80% of all over-weight people (although his phrasing is quite clumsy). I'd say that most over-weight people (who moan about being fat) could actually actively do something about it and are at fault for becoming fat.

However, his comments are ignorant towards the many other over-weight people who do not have that much of a choice due to illness or their genes. And somehow you have to differenciate between those two, when commenting that harshly on over-weight people.

SUPRMAN said:

LadyCasanova said:

It really depends on the "they." If I cram a box of oreo's down my throat, that's my bad. I know

better. I have the income to have a better diet. I make enough to work less and have time

to make myself healthy meals. The area I live in is safe enough to exercise in.

I work for a company that does social justice work for the community. We hold health and positive

eating classes in some of the areas I am talking about. You would be horrified by some of the

questions we are asked/ answers we get to our questions.

One parent told me, "I make sure my kids eat healthy, I never give them soda, and they

take ramen to lunch, not hot chips or cookies." Ramen?!?! Really?

I agree that SOME of them know it is bad for them. I also believe that there is a difference

between being told something is bad for you and understanding why something is bad for you.

There is also a difference between understanding why something is bad for you and knowing

how to make healthy decisions.

But that's why I get involved. Thats why I do work around food justice. That's why I volunteer my

time at middle schools in the bay area that serve low income populations. I want them to have

resources. I want them to understand what healthy eating really means/is.

It isn't all their fault, but neither is it impossible to change.

[Edited 4/12/13 18:09pm]

I find it hard to believe that you aren't condescending there also.

If anyone is being condescending, it is you.

SUPRMAN said:

Why people seem to expect it when it comes to their pet projects is beyond me.

I'm sorry, but I don't consider bringing resources into the communities I grew up in a "pet project."

Nor do I consider working with the low income population that I stem from a "pet project."

The children and adults that I work with are people I grew up with, are people who are related to

me, and are people who welcome me into their schools, home, and lives.

I do not consider myself "better" than any of my community members. I do recognize my privilege

and simply wish to bring back to the people I consider family.

If you don't want to recognize social inequalities, that fine with me. Ill do me and you can do you.