cherrystar said:

[SNIP]

If you are that you say, then it seems like you've brought your emotional baggage of abuse, abandonment, and lack of love into the marriage, especially when you said this

As a result of my upbringing, I don't feel I any longer need to accept someone not treating me, my mind, my heart, my spirit, or my body respectfully.

The solution begins with you, and it requires self-healing, so that you begin loving yourself. Otherwise it's going to continue to be that vicious cycle of attracting people, especially men whom has no respect for you.

^^^If you cannot show love, how can you get it back. It is possible that's why he cheated.

Not to derail this thread talking about Prince, but he has his own abandonment issues, too. Like you, he left home at an early age. That's why he goes through so many women, in and out of his life. Therefore, you can identify with Prince.

However, his music continues to be an inspiration to many.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

cherrystar said:

[SNIP]

If you are that you say, then it seems like you've brought your emotional baggage of abuse, abandonment, and lack of love into the marriage, especially when you said this

As a result of my upbringing, I don't feel I any longer need to accept someone not treating me, my mind, my heart, my spirit, or my body respectfully.

The solution begins with you, and it requires self-healing, so that you begin loving yourself. Otherwise it's going to continue to be that vicious cycle of attracting people, especially men whom has no respect for you.

I disagree...

just because she doesn't want to put up with a cheating husband means that she is incapable of loving a man?

Looks to me like HE cheated not her. If SHE was the cheater I would agree with you because many people with abandonment issues tend to run away from their obligations since they never had anyone reliable in their own life.

I could blame a break down in communication. That can happen in any relationship, for a variety of reasons... her upbringing is not a factor. If hubby was all that he could have tried to go to a marriage/family counselor before taking measures into obtaining a jump-off.

Cheating doesn't happen in one moment... a cheating man works to get in between a mistress's legs. He does this by gaining sympathy with her... and selling himself to her under the guise of love.

IMHO Miss Cherrystar has learned her worth and to love herself enough to walk away from a marriage and stability. She ain't putting up with no BS. She loves herself enough to move on. If she didn't love herself she would enable her husband and accept the cheating because she thinks she deserves it because of her upbringing. Now women from her background tend to stay in abusive relationships and allow themselves to be beaten. Miss Cherrystar doesn't sound like a doormat type who enables cheating.

Again, she isn't the one fucking outside her marriage, and no matter how bad things get with communication, they BOTH should have gone to a therapist. He didn't, he cheated. He's wrong.

That husband is like most other assholes who cheat... he is a selfish fuck who is sloppy with his game and got caught.

Besides.... we are speaking of her personality right? He married her AND her personality. If she was OFF in any way, he chose to marry that! So why would he be complaining about her personality flaws now? If she was withdrawn of whatever then she was that way shen he met her. But trust me... he IS using her personality flaws as a veiled excuse to find reason for his cheating, when the real reason is because he is immature and should be a better man in dealing with his issues at home. He cheated, his fault.

It is always better to console a woman or man who was cheated on, instead of trying to knock them down and find reason for why they were cheated on. WTH?

Beautifulstarr123 said:

cherrystar said:

[SNIP]

If you are that you say, then it seems like you've brought your emotional baggage of abuse, abandonment, and lack of love into the marriage, especially when you said this

As a result of my upbringing, I don't feel I any longer need to accept someone not treating me, my mind, my heart, my spirit, or my body respectfully.

The solution begins with you, and it requires self-healing, so that you begin loving yourself. Otherwise it's going to continue to be that vicious cycle of attracting people, especially men whom has no respect for you.

Everybody brings themselves and their bagage into their life.

It's not as black and white that a person with bagage is to blame for a nasty turn of events.

He obviously did something that was hurtful. He had no right to hurt somebody like that.

I'm amazed that everybody just assumes that she is the crazy one, overhere.

It's also known that people that have been emotionally abused are more prone to attach themselves to narcisistic or sociopathic partners.

So, maybe she did response to his naricism and she paid the price for it.

I really don't understand why people are so prone to put hur in the crazy category and feel sorry for this guy.\

That is the strategy of most Sociapaths though. They drive their partner crazy and when she snaps, he will use that as prove and play the victim.

"You see how crazy this woman is?" And as long as the crowd doesn't want to think beyond the first picture that is offered to them, these kind of sociapaths will get away with it.

I just hope that a lot of people will learn about narcisists and recognize the behavior. That is the way to heal and stay out of these kind of nasty manipulation games.

paintedlady said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

The solution begins with you, and it requires self-healing, so that you begin loving yourself. Otherwise it's going to continue to be that vicious cycle of attracting people, especially men whom has no respect for you.

I disagree...

just because she doesn't want to put up with a cheating husband means that she is incapable of loving a man?

Looks to me like HE cheated not her. If SHE was the cheater I would agree with you because many people with abandonment issues tend to run away from their obligations since they never had anyone reliable in their own life.

I could blame a break down in communication. That can happen in any relationship, for a variety of reasons... her upbringing is not a factor. If hubby was all that he could have tried to go to a marriage/family counselor before taking measures into obtaining a jump-off.

Cheating doesn't happen in one moment... a cheating man works to get in between a mistress's legs. He does this by gaining sympathy with her... and selling himself to her under the guise of love.

IMHO Miss Cherrystar has learned her worth and to love herself enough to walk away from a marriage and stability. She ain't putting up with no BS. She loves herself enough to move on. If she didn't love herself she would enable her husband and accept the cheating because she thinks she deserves it because of her upbringing. Now women from her background tend to stay in abusive relationships and allow themselves to be beaten. Miss Cherrystar doesn't sound like a doormat type who enables cheating.

Again, she isn't the one fucking outside her marriage, and no matter how bad things get with communication, they BOTH should have gone to a therapist. He didn't, he cheated. He's wrong.

That husband is like most other assholes who cheat... he is a selfish fuck who is sloppy with his game and got caught.

Besides.... we are speaking of her personality right? He married her AND her personality. If she was OFF in any way, he chose to marry that! So why would he be complaining about her personality flaws now? If she was withdrawn of whatever then she was that way shen he met her. But trust me... he IS using her personality flaws as a veiled excuse to find reason for his cheating, when the real reason is because he is immature and should be a better man in dealing with his issues at home. He cheated, his fault.

It is always better to console a woman or man who was cheated on, instead of trying to knock them down and find reason for why they were cheated on. WTH?

Exactly.

I hope that a lot of women will not have themselves manipulated and cornered anymore by their man.

And the same goes for men who get cornered and maltreated by their woman, btw.

If he would have treated her right, this would not have happened at all.

He knew what he was doing and just didn't care about what effect it had on her and how much she was hurt. Maybe he even enjoyed her dispair when he hurted her.

paintedlady said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

The solution begins with you, and it requires self-healing, so that you begin loving yourself. Otherwise it's going to continue to be that vicious cycle of attracting people, especially men whom has no respect for you.

I disagree...

just because she doesn't want to put up with a cheating husband means that she is incapable of loving a man?

Looks to me like HE cheated not her. If SHE was the cheater I would agree with you because many people with abandonment issues tend to run away from their obligations since they never had anyone reliable in their own life.

I could blame a break down in communication. That can happen in any relationship, for a variety of reasons... her upbringing is not a factor. If hubby was all that he could have tried to go to a marriage/family counselor before taking measures into obtaining a jump-off.

Cheating doesn't happen in one moment... a cheating man works to get in between a mistress's legs. He does this by gaining sympathy with her... and selling himself to her under the guise of love.

IMHO Miss Cherrystar has learned her worth and to love herself enough to walk away from a marriage and stability. She ain't putting up with no BS. She loves herself enough to move on. If she didn't love herself she would enable her husband and accept the cheating because she thinks she deserves it because of her upbringing. Now women from her background tend to stay in abusive relationships and allow themselves to be beaten. Miss Cherrystar doesn't sound like a doormat type who enables cheating.

Again, she isn't the one fucking outside her marriage, and no matter how bad things get with communication, they BOTH should have gone to a therapist. He didn't, he cheated. He's wrong.

That husband is like most other assholes who cheat... he is a selfish fuck who is sloppy with his game and got caught.

Besides.... we are speaking of her personality right? He married her AND her personality. If she was OFF in any way, he chose to marry that! So why would he be complaining about her personality flaws now? If she was withdrawn of whatever then she was that way shen he met her. But trust me... he IS using her personality flaws as a veiled excuse to find reason for his cheating, when the real reason is because he is immature and should be a better man in dealing with his issues at home. He cheated, his fault.

It is always better to console a woman or man who was cheated on, instead of trying to knock them down and find reason for why they were cheated on. WTH?

You attract what you are, until you change it.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

paintedlady said:

I disagree...

just because she doesn't want to put up with a cheating husband means that she is incapable of loving a man?

Looks to me like HE cheated not her. If SHE was the cheater I would agree with you because many people with abandonment issues tend to run away from their obligations since they never had anyone reliable in their own life.

I could blame a break down in communication. That can happen in any relationship, for a variety of reasons... her upbringing is not a factor. If hubby was all that he could have tried to go to a marriage/family counselor before taking measures into obtaining a jump-off.

Cheating doesn't happen in one moment... a cheating man works to get in between a mistress's legs. He does this by gaining sympathy with her... and selling himself to her under the guise of love.

IMHO Miss Cherrystar has learned her worth and to love herself enough to walk away from a marriage and stability. She ain't putting up with no BS. She loves herself enough to move on. If she didn't love herself she would enable her husband and accept the cheating because she thinks she deserves it because of her upbringing. Now women from her background tend to stay in abusive relationships and allow themselves to be beaten. Miss Cherrystar doesn't sound like a doormat type who enables cheating.

Again, she isn't the one fucking outside her marriage, and no matter how bad things get with communication, they BOTH should have gone to a therapist. He didn't, he cheated. He's wrong.

That husband is like most other assholes who cheat... he is a selfish fuck who is sloppy with his game and got caught.

Besides.... we are speaking of her personality right? He married her AND her personality. If she was OFF in any way, he chose to marry that! So why would he be complaining about her personality flaws now? If she was withdrawn of whatever then she was that way shen he met her. But trust me... he IS using her personality flaws as a veiled excuse to find reason for his cheating, when the real reason is because he is immature and should be a better man in dealing with his issues at home. He cheated, his fault.

It is always better to console a woman or man who was cheated on, instead of trying to knock them down and find reason for why they were cheated on. WTH?

You attract what you are, until you change it.

Well, she surely made some drastic changes in her life! That's for sure.

Genesia said:

That woman clearly had a big plate of crazy for lunch.

Without condoning her husband's actions, what she's done here is illegal. I hope she kept a record of what she made at that garage sale, because she's going to have to fork at least half of it over to him.

She'll have to fork over a lot more than half of the money she received. Any personal property that exclusively belonged to the husband (ie: not "community" or "marital" property) cannot be sold, given away, destroyed or disposed unless it's deemed by the courts that the husband abandoned the property. Since he was gone for only a weekend, didn't give consent to sell the stuff, and didn't declare that he had no intention of reclaiming said property, abandonment is inapplicable.

As such, the wife would be financially responsible for 100% of replacement value of the property sold. The amount of proceeds she received for said property is immaterial.

paintedlady said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

The solution begins with you, and it requires self-healing, so that you begin loving yourself. Otherwise it's going to continue to be that vicious cycle of attracting people, especially men whom has no respect for you.

I disagree...

just because she doesn't want to put up with a cheating husband means that she is incapable of loving a man?

Looks to me like HE cheated not her. If SHE was the cheater I would agree with you because many people with abandonment issues tend to run away from their obligations since they never had anyone reliable in their own life.

I could blame a break down in communication. That can happen in any relationship, for a variety of reasons... her upbringing is not a factor. If hubby was all that he could have tried to go to a marriage/family counselor before taking measures into obtaining a jump-off.

Cheating doesn't happen in one moment... a cheating man works to get in between a mistress's legs. He does this by gaining sympathy with her... and selling himself to her under the guise of love.

IMHO Miss Cherrystar has learned her worth and to love herself enough to walk away from a marriage and stability. She ain't putting up with no BS. She loves herself enough to move on. If she didn't love herself she would enable her husband and accept the cheating because she thinks she deserves it because of her upbringing. Now women from her background tend to stay in abusive relationships and allow themselves to be beaten. Miss Cherrystar doesn't sound like a doormat type who enables cheating.

Again, she isn't the one fucking outside her marriage, and no matter how bad things get with communication, they BOTH should have gone to a therapist. He didn't, he cheated. He's wrong.

That husband is like most other assholes who cheat... he is a selfish fuck who is sloppy with his game and got caught.

Besides.... we are speaking of her personality right? He married her AND her personality. If she was OFF in any way, he chose to marry that! So why would he be complaining about her personality flaws now? If she was withdrawn of whatever then she was that way shen he met her. But trust me... he IS using her personality flaws as a veiled excuse to find reason for his cheating, when the real reason is because he is immature and should be a better man in dealing with his issues at home. He cheated, his fault.

It is always better to console a woman or man who was cheated on, instead of trying to knock them down and find reason for why they were cheated on. WTH?

How can you state her upbringing is NOT a factor?!!! It certainly is. To quote Bono, [T]he only thing you bring to love is all that you can't leave behind."

She admits she hasn't left her upbringing behind.

You like her, so I understand defending her.

Do we know there was no counseling?

He is wrong for cheating. He should have left her or better yet, not married her.

You seem to know a lot about him. Stereotyping? Projecting? Or all cheating men act just the same?

dJJ said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

The solution begins with you, and it requires self-healing, so that you begin loving yourself. Otherwise it's going to continue to be that vicious cycle of attracting people, especially men whom has no respect for you.

Everybody brings themselves and their bagage into their life.

It's not as black and white that a person with bagage is to blame for a nasty turn of events.

He obviously did something that was hurtful. He had no right to hurt somebody like that.

I'm amazed that everybody just assumes that she is the crazy one, overhere.

It's also known that people that have been emotionally abused are more prone to attach themselves to narcisistic or sociopathic partners.

So, maybe she did response to his naricism and she paid the price for it.

I really don't understand why people are so prone to put hur in the crazy category and feel sorry for this guy.\

That is the strategy of most Sociapaths though. They drive their partner crazy and when she snaps, he will use that as prove and play the victim.

"You see how crazy this woman is?" And as long as the crowd doesn't want to think beyond the first picture that is offered to them, these kind of sociapaths will get away with it.

I just hope that a lot of people will learn about narcisists and recognize the behavior. That is the way to heal and stay out of these kind of nasty manipulation games.

Her actions is why she is assumed to be the crazy one.

We don't know that he is with anyone except her say so.

It's not obvious he did something hurtful. IT IS OBVIOUS that he is being accused of something hurtful and everyone wants to believe he did it without any evidence.

Being human, she could be wrong, but we aren't going to accept that because, if there was a doubt, why would she destroy and sell his property like that? SMH. Very faulty logic.

It would be nice to hear his side of the story and not accept hers as gospel because she labelled him a cheat.

dJJ said:

paintedlady said:

I disagree...

just because she doesn't want to put up with a cheating husband means that she is incapable of loving a man?

Looks to me like HE cheated not her. If SHE was the cheater I would agree with you because many people with abandonment issues tend to run away from their obligations since they never had anyone reliable in their own life.

I could blame a break down in communication. That can happen in any relationship, for a variety of reasons... her upbringing is not a factor. If hubby was all that he could have tried to go to a marriage/family counselor before taking measures into obtaining a jump-off.

Cheating doesn't happen in one moment... a cheating man works to get in between a mistress's legs. He does this by gaining sympathy with her... and selling himself to her under the guise of love.

IMHO Miss Cherrystar has learned her worth and to love herself enough to walk away from a marriage and stability. She ain't putting up with no BS. She loves herself enough to move on. If she didn't love herself she would enable her husband and accept the cheating because she thinks she deserves it because of her upbringing. Now women from her background tend to stay in abusive relationships and allow themselves to be beaten. Miss Cherrystar doesn't sound like a doormat type who enables cheating.

Again, she isn't the one fucking outside her marriage, and no matter how bad things get with communication, they BOTH should have gone to a therapist. He didn't, he cheated. He's wrong.

That husband is like most other assholes who cheat... he is a selfish fuck who is sloppy with his game and got caught.

Besides.... we are speaking of her personality right? He married her AND her personality. If she was OFF in any way, he chose to marry that! So why would he be complaining about her personality flaws now? If she was withdrawn of whatever then she was that way shen he met her. But trust me... he IS using her personality flaws as a veiled excuse to find reason for his cheating, when the real reason is because he is immature and should be a better man in dealing with his issues at home. He cheated, his fault.

It is always better to console a woman or man who was cheated on, instead of trying to knock them down and find reason for why they were cheated on. WTH?

Exactly.

I hope that a lot of women will not have themselves manipulated and cornered anymore by their man.

And the same goes for men who get cornered and maltreated by their woman, btw.

If he would have treated her right, this would not have happened at all.

He knew what he was doing and just didn't care about what effect it had on her and how much she was hurt. Maybe he even enjoyed her dispair when he hurted her.

You are projecting way too much.

Pokeno4Money said:

Genesia said:

That woman clearly had a big plate of crazy for lunch.

Without condoning her husband's actions, what she's done here is illegal. I hope she kept a record of what she made at that garage sale, because she's going to have to fork at least half of it over to him.

She'll have to fork over a lot more than half of the money she received. Any personal property that exclusively belonged to the husband (ie: not "community" or "marital" property) cannot be sold, given away, destroyed or disposed unless it's deemed by the courts that the husband abandoned the property. Since he was gone for only a weekend, didn't give consent to sell the stuff, and didn't declare that he had no intention of reclaiming said property, abandonment is inapplicable.

As such, the wife would be financially responsible for 100% of replacement value of the property sold. The amount of proceeds she received for said property is immaterial.

Co-sign. And I would award him punitive damages also.

SUPRMAN said:

paintedlady said:

I disagree...

just because she doesn't want to put up with a cheating husband means that she is incapable of loving a man?

Looks to me like HE cheated not her. If SHE was the cheater I would agree with you because many people with abandonment issues tend to run away from their obligations since they never had anyone reliable in their own life.

I could blame a break down in communication. That can happen in any relationship, for a variety of reasons... her upbringing is not a factor. If hubby was all that he could have tried to go to a marriage/family counselor before taking measures into obtaining a jump-off.

Cheating doesn't happen in one moment... a cheating man works to get in between a mistress's legs. He does this by gaining sympathy with her... and selling himself to her under the guise of love.

IMHO Miss Cherrystar has learned her worth and to love herself enough to walk away from a marriage and stability. She ain't putting up with no BS. She loves herself enough to move on. If she didn't love herself she would enable her husband and accept the cheating because she thinks she deserves it because of her upbringing. Now women from her background tend to stay in abusive relationships and allow themselves to be beaten. Miss Cherrystar doesn't sound like a doormat type who enables cheating.

Again, she isn't the one fucking outside her marriage, and no matter how bad things get with communication, they BOTH should have gone to a therapist. He didn't, he cheated. He's wrong.

That husband is like most other assholes who cheat... he is a selfish fuck who is sloppy with his game and got caught.

Besides.... we are speaking of her personality right? He married her AND her personality. If she was OFF in any way, he chose to marry that! So why would he be complaining about her personality flaws now? If she was withdrawn of whatever then she was that way shen he met her. But trust me... he IS using her personality flaws as a veiled excuse to find reason for his cheating, when the real reason is because he is immature and should be a better man in dealing with his issues at home. He cheated, his fault.

It is always better to console a woman or man who was cheated on, instead of trying to knock them down and find reason for why they were cheated on. WTH?

How can you state her upbringing is NOT a factor?!!! It certainly is. To quote Bono, [T]he only thing you bring to love is all that you can't leave behind."

She admits she hasn't left her upbringing behind.

You like her, so I understand defending her.

Do we know there was no counseling?

He is wrong for cheating. He should have left her or better yet, not married her.

You seem to know a lot about him. Stereotyping? Projecting? Or all cheating men act just the same?

I am not projecting... you are with your automatic hatred of women. Fast on the attack of cherrystar calling her a nutjob.

I never defend a cheater PERIOD.

A married person (man or woman) has no business commiting adultry no matter the reason. If the marriage is that bad, then end it first before getting other people mixed in some love triangle.

I have not stereotyped him, only cheaters. My thoughts on cheaters can apply to both sexes from any background.

A person who cheats is selfish and only thinks of themselves... they acquire a jump off by seeking sympathy. Any person who lays down and decides to become that jump off is just plain stupid.

Truth. Plain and simple.

paintedlady said:

SUPRMAN said:

How can you state her upbringing is NOT a factor?!!! It certainly is. To quote Bono, [T]he only thing you bring to love is all that you can't leave behind."

She admits she hasn't left her upbringing behind.

You like her, so I understand defending her.

Do we know there was no counseling?

He is wrong for cheating. He should have left her or better yet, not married her.

You seem to know a lot about him. Stereotyping? Projecting? Or all cheating men act just the same?

I am not projecting... you are with your automatic hatred of women. Fast on the attack of cherrystar calling her a nutjob.

I never defend a cheater PERIOD.

A married person (man or woman) has no business commiting adultry no matter the reason. If the marriage is that bad, then end it first before getting other people mixed in some love triangle.

I have not stereotyped him, only cheaters. My thoughts on cheaters can apply to both sexes from any background.

A person who cheats is selfish and only thinks of themselves... they acquire a jump off by seeking sympathy. Any person who lays down and decides to become that jump off is just plain stupid.

Truth. Plain and simple.

cherrystar said:

[SNIP]

Cherrystar,

There are other ways you could have handled the situation that would have gotten your point across just as well, without making yourself vulnerable to a lawsuit.

Sincerely,

Lorena Bobbitt

paintedlady said:

SUPRMAN said:

How can you state her upbringing is NOT a factor?!!! It certainly is. To quote Bono, [T]he only thing you bring to love is all that you can't leave behind."

She admits she hasn't left her upbringing behind.

You like her, so I understand defending her.

Do we know there was no counseling?

He is wrong for cheating. He should have left her or better yet, not married her.

You seem to know a lot about him. Stereotyping? Projecting? Or all cheating men act just the same?

I am not projecting... you are with your automatic hatred of women. Fast on the attack of cherrystar calling her a nutjob.

I never defend a cheater PERIOD.

A married person (man or woman) has no business commiting adultry no matter the reason. If the marriage is that bad, then end it first before getting other people mixed in some love triangle.

I have not stereotyped him, only cheaters. My thoughts on cheaters can apply to both sexes from any background.

A person who cheats is selfish and only thinks of themselves... they acquire a jump off by seeking sympathy. Any person who lays down and decides to become that jump off is just plain stupid.

Truth. Plain and simple.

First line aside, we're good then.

[Edited 3/17/13 17:04pm]

cherrystar said:

[SNIP]

Good to see you're happy and moving on. Better luck and trust in your next relationship.

Better karma too.

cherrystar said:

[SNIP]

Well none of this was know to me or others in advance.

Glad to see you actions are fully justified. Enjoy yourself.

dJJ said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

You attract what you are, until you change it.

Well, she surely made some drastic changes in her life! That's for sure.

Yep, she sure did, and I'm very pleased.

morningsong said:

Wiped out the bank account? And nothing was set aflame? Piissh, yeah somebody was reigning it in. Glad you were able to sell the house so fast and move on.

The mistress could wipe out his bank accout

Have you seen Tyler Perry's movie "Diary Of A Mad Black Woman" when the husband left for the mistress, and she cleaned out his bank account?

That's karma for you

cherrystar said:

[SNIP]

Thanks for posting in this thread and giving everybody the background info.

I cheer for you and the way you feel like going forward right now.

Have a lot of fun with your girl friends and enjoy the dignity and self esteem you reclaimed!

SUPRMAN said:

cherrystar said:

[SNIP]

Good to see you're happy and moving on. Better luck and trust in your next relationship.

Better karma too.

SUPRMAN said:

Women support each other? Ha!

You think you're at your best destroying each other.

If you replace "women" with "black men", you might understand how ridicilous this statement is.

Pokeno4Money said:

cherrystar said:

[SNIP]

Cherrystar,

There are other ways you could have handled the situation that would have gotten your point across just as well, without making yourself vulnerable to a lawsuit.

Sincerely,

Lorena Bobbitt

Mrs Bobbitt did not act out of the bleu.

Mr. Bobbit should have handled her respectfully and not drive her to a act of despair.

She did set a standard, examplifying that there really is no need to stay in a situation where somebody hurts you. Psychological abuse is as harmfull and aggressive as physical abuse. It's even worse, because it's difficult to gather evidence. The aggressor manipulates people by gossiping and labeling her as a nutcase. It's a very refined way of hurting somebody and leaving the victime helpless.

Fortunately there is more attention for this kind of aggressive abuse. Hopefully general attitude will change and not be as qquick to blame the ususal suspect. Which oftentimes is the "hysterical" or "emotionally challenged" woman.

Sucks that we only have one side of this story. I'd love to hear what hubby has to say.