It went up in BLACK smoke = gasoline fire.

RodeoSchro said:

paintedlady said:

No. He didn't tell those two hostages he didn't kill those innocent people (not to mention the INNOCENT COPS he killed). He told the hostages he didn't want to kill THEM (the hostages).

He clearly said in his manifesto that he was going to kill family members of those he felt had wronged him.

BTW, Shorty - don't you EVER accuse me of not reading something. Because it's about to be abundantly clear that not only did I read it, but YOU NEVER DID. Either that, or you've got a value system messed up beyond belief.

Here you go. Read these excerpts taken DIRECTLY from his manifesto, and tell me there's any doubt in your mind that he's anything but a cold-blooded murderer:

I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be vilified by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name.

<snip>

The attacks will stop when the department states the truth about my innocence, PUBLICLY!!! (NOTE: This is an admission to the attacks, i.e. the murders of the daughter and fiance, who were COMPLETELY INNOCENT BYSTANDERS - RS)

<snip>

To those children of the officers who are eradicated, your parent was not the individual you thought they were. As you get older,you will see the evidence that your parent was a tyrant who loss their ethos and instead followed the path of moral corruptness. They conspired to hide and suppress the truth of misconduct on others behalf’s. (NOTE: He is justifying his killing of cops. He said earlier in his manifesto that "No one wants to grow up to be a cop killer" but he sure seemed to be looking forward to it when he wrote this manifesto - RS).

<snip>

I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours. XXXX, XXXX, XXXX (names redacted), and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead. (NOTE: Here he is, telling us that he is going to kill the children of people he doesn't like - which is exactly what he did - RS)

<snip>

They (LAPD) created the situation. I will harm no outside agency unless it is a deadly force/IDOL situation. (NOTE: Well, is this PIECE OF SHIT a nice guy! He'll kill cops, and he'll kill the children of cops, but he won't harm anyone from an outside agency. Personally, I hope every single cop pissed on his charred, smoldering body. FUCK THIS PIECE OF SHIT - RS)

<snip>

Unfortunately, are you aware that I obtained class III weapons (suppressors) without a background check thru NICS or DROS completely LEGALLY several times? I was able to use a trust account that I created on quicken will maker and a $10 notary charge at a mailbox etc. to obtain them legally. Granted, I am not a felon, nor have a DV misdemeanor conviction or active TRO against me on a NCIC file. I can buy any firearm I want, but should I be able to purchase these class III weapons (SBR’s, and suppressors) without a background check and just a $10 notary signature on a quicken will maker program? The answer is NO. I’m not even a resident of the state i purchased them in. Lock n Load just wanted money so they allow you to purchase class III weapons with just a notarized trust, military ID. Shame on you, Lock n Load. NFA and ATF need new laws and policies that do not allow loopholes such as this. In the end, I hope that you will realize that the small arms I utilize should not be accessed with the ease that I obtained them. Who in there right mind needs a (expletive) silencer!!! who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!! (NOTE: An in an ironic twist of fate, the guy is for an assault weapons ban. "Hey, I shouldn't have been able to buy these weapons but I did and now I'm going to use them to kill cops and their kids. But it's YOUR fault for letting me buy these weapons! - RS)

<snip>

To my friends listed below, I wish we could have grown old together and spent more time together. When you reminisce of our friendship and experiences, think of that and that only. Do not dwell on my recent actions the last few days. This was a necessary evil that had to be executed in order for me to obtain my NAME back. The only thing that changes policy and garners attention is death. (NOTE: Again, this PIECE OF SHIT admits he's killed innocent people. That's the way to get his fucking name back?!? Really? FUCK HIM. I hope the cops pissed on his body AND SHIT ON IT TOO. - RS)

<snip>

Wayne LaPierre, President of the NRA, you’re a vile and inhumane piece of (expletive). You never even showed 30 seconds of empathy for the children, teachers, and families of Sandy Hook. (NOTE: WHAT THE FUCK?!? A guy who has already killed two innocent people, and says he's going to kill more, is upset over Sandy Hook? Gee, Shorty - you really know how to pick your heroes - RS)

http://ktla.com/2013/02/1...z2KwOSzRAR

I don't want ANYONE to tell me I haven't read this PIECE OF SHIT'S manifesto. And after reading it (or these excerpts) and if any of you think this PIECE OF SHIT is anything other than a PIECE OF SHIT, then I want nothing ever to with you again.

EVER.

ON TELEVISION, the hostages SAID that Dorner told them that he wanted to CLEAR HIS NAME, that DORNER told them that he didn't kill those people, and that he didn't want to kill them.

The LAPD said Dorner killed those people and that they saw Dorner drop off a helmet and guns to a dumpster.

There are unanswered questions, and I believe the full truth will never be known.

Oh and Rhodeo...

you said Dorner is a piece of shit because he killed innocent people, targeted them out and shot them up.

Piece of shit....

Well, by that standard its what the LAPD did when they shot up INNOCENT people, citizens on the street.

By your own standard the LAPD are pieces of shit too, they created their own monster that turned on them.

Again, why tell someone you want to clear your name if you knew you shot up people?

The police made damn sure that some questions will not be answered. Their hands are dirty in this.

RodeoSchro said:

BTW, Shorty - don't you EVER accuse me of not reading something. Because it's about to be abundantly clear that not only did I read it, but YOU NEVER DID. Either that, or you've got a value system messed up beyond belief.

oh shut up! I didn't "accuse" you of anything!

my exact quote:

"Did you read his manifesto? seems as though you didn't."

since when was asking someone a question, and saying it seems otherwise an accusation? You just made more of an accusation that I NEVER DID than I even came close to making.

and I never called him my hero....so there you go again making shit up. Shut the fuck up!

[Edited 2/15/13 7:03am]

paintedlady said:

Oh and Rhodeo...

you said Dorner is a piece of shit because he killed innocent people, targeted them out and shot them up.

Piece of shit....

Well, by that standard its what the LAPD did when they shot up INNOCENT people, citizens on the street.

By your own standard the LAPD are pieces of shit too, they created their own monster that turned on them.

Again, why tell someone you want to clear your name if you knew you shot up people?

The police made damn sure that some questions will not be answered. Their hands are dirty in this.

Sure, anyone that murderers innocent people like Dorner did is the same thing Dorner is. What could possibly make you think that two wrongs make a right?

He VERY CLEARLY said he wanted to "clear his (piece of shit) name" with respect to what happened with the LAPD. He also VERY CLEARLY said in his manifesto that he'd killed innocent people, that when people heard what he did (BEFORE he went to the cabin) that they wouldn't believe it but it was "necessary". If you can't put two and two together, then I don't know how to help you.

If you've got video of those hostages saying what you claim, post it. I heard the hostages interviewed on TV and all they said was Dorner said he didn't WANT to kill them (he left open the possibility that he WOULD kill them).

Shorty said:

RodeoSchro said:

oh shut up! I didn't "accuse" you of anything!

my exact quote:

"Did you read his manifesto? seems as though you didn't."

since when was asking someone a question, and saying it seems otherwise an accusation? You just made more of an accusation that I NEVER DID than I even came close to making.

and I never called him my hero....so there you go again making shit up. Shut the fuck up!

[Edited 2/15/13 7:03am]

You can hide behind semantics all you want, but cleary I DID read the manifesto, and you DID NOT.

For if you had, there is no other conclusion you could have come to but that Dorner targeted innocent people (not even addressing the cops he killed), he killed innocent people, he said he would kill MORE innocent family members, and he justified killing innocent people as "necessary".

Tell me, how would YOU feel if someone that didn't like you and thought you'd screwed them over decided that, to get back at you, it was "necessary" to kill your kids?

Would THAT person be your hero? Would you root for that person to get away with it? Would you root for that person to not be found? Would you at the thought of him killing more people (possibly including additional members of your family?).

And spare me the total bullshit about him not being your hero. You CLEARLY were rooting for him, you wanted him to get away with it, you hoped he never got caught, and if he killed any more cops? Well, you just didn't give a shit. After all, that's what means.

Shorty, I am done with you. Completely done. Go ahead and have the last word if you want. I feel dirty even responding to you.

RodeoSchro said:

Shorty said:

oh shut up! I didn't "accuse" you of anything!

my exact quote:

"Did you read his manifesto? seems as though you didn't."

since when was asking someone a question, and saying it seems otherwise an accusation? You just made more of an accusation that I NEVER DID than I even came close to making.

and I never called him my hero....so there you go again making shit up. Shut the fuck up!

[Edited 2/15/13 7:03am]

You can hide behind semantics all you want, but cleary I DID read the manifesto, and you DID NOT.

For if you had, there is no other conclusion you could have come to but that Dorner targeted innocent people (not even addressing the cops he killed), he killed innocent people, he said he would kill MORE innocent family members, and he justified killing innocent people as "necessary".

Tell me, how would YOU feel if someone that didn't like you and thought you'd screwed them over decided that, to get back at you, it was "necessary" to kill your kids?

Would THAT person be your hero? Would you root for that person to get away with it? Would you root for that person to not be found? Would you at the thought of him killing more people (possibly including additional members of your family?).

And spare me the total bullshit about him not being your hero. You CLEARLY were rooting for him, you wanted him to get away with it, you hoped he never got caught, and if he killed any more cops? Well, you just didn't give a shit. After all, that's what means.

Shorty, I am done with you. Completely done. Go ahead and have the last word if you want. I feel dirty even responding to you.

'THAT'S SO RAVEN' STAR
THANK GOD DORNER'S DEAD
'Cause People Thought I Was Him

"That's So Raven" star Rondell Sheridan breathed a HUGE sigh of relief when he found out Christopher Dorner was dead ... 'cause they look so much alike, Rondell says he was legitimately scared to go out in public.

Rondell -- who played Raven Symone's dad on the Disney sitcom -- tells TMZ ... ever since the manhunt for Dorner began, he noticed people were giving him strange looks in public ... the kind of looks that say, "I could get a reward if I capture this dude."

"Honestly I know it’s nothing to laugh about, but I will admit I was a little nervous flying to LAX last Sunday, " Sheridan says.

"I was like 'Are people checking me out cause I was on [TV], or cause I look like that guy everybody’s looking for?'"

Rondell says the confusion got so bad, people notified him about an "RIP Chris Dorner" Facebook page that mistakenly featured the actor's photo.

Still, Rondell says he would jump at the chance to star as Dorner in the inevitable movie ... "But with my luck they'll give it to LL Cool J."

Or Anthony Anderson.

http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2Kzly0Tok

NaughtyKitty said:

'THAT'S SO RAVEN' STAR
THANK GOD DORNER'S DEAD
'Cause People Thought I Was Him

EXCLUSIVE

"That's So Raven" star Rondell Sheridan breathed a HUGE sigh of relief when he found out Christopher Dorner was dead ... 'cause they look so much alike, Rondell says he was legitimately scared to go out in public.

Rondell -- who played Raven Symone's dad on the Disney sitcom -- tells TMZ ... ever since the manhunt for Dorner began, he noticed people were giving him strange looks in public ... the kind of looks that say, "I could get a reward if I capture this dude."

"Honestly I know it’s nothing to laugh about, but I will admit I was a little nervous flying to LAX last Sunday, " Sheridan says.

"I was like 'Are people checking me out cause I was on [TV], or cause I look like that guy everybody’s looking for?'"

Rondell says the confusion got so bad, people notified him about an "RIP Chris Dorner" Facebook page that mistakenly featured the actor's photo.

Still, Rondell says he would jump at the chance to star as Dorner in the inevitable movie ... "But with my luck they'll give it to LL Cool J."

Or Anthony Anderson.

http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2Kzly0Tok

Damn, that's a hell of a resemblance... I know we all have doppelgangers; I know, I saw a picture of mine a long time ago...

RodeoSchro said:

paintedlady said:

Oh and Rhodeo...

you said Dorner is a piece of shit because he killed innocent people, targeted them out and shot them up.

Piece of shit....

Well, by that standard its what the LAPD did when they shot up INNOCENT people, citizens on the street.

By your own standard the LAPD are pieces of shit too, they created their own monster that turned on them.

Again, why tell someone you want to clear your name if you knew you shot up people?

The police made damn sure that some questions will not be answered. Their hands are dirty in this.

Sure, anyone that murderers innocent people like Dorner did is the same thing Dorner is. What could possibly make you think that two wrongs make a right?

He VERY CLEARLY said he wanted to "clear his (piece of shit) name" with respect to what happened with the LAPD. He also VERY CLEARLY said in his manifesto that he'd killed innocent people, that when people heard what he did (BEFORE he went to the cabin) that they wouldn't believe it but it was "necessary". If you can't put two and two together, then I don't know how to help you.

If you've got video of those hostages saying what you claim, post it. I heard the hostages interviewed on TV and all they said was Dorner said he didn't WANT to kill them (he left open the possibility that he WOULD kill them).

YOU are the one who believes two wrongs make a right.

Dorner killed folks and its OK for the LAPD to take a street gang style approach in shooting up people. The LAPD was sloppy at best in their "manhunt".

They damn near shot up LA like it was noon at the OK Corral.

The police are supposed to work within the justice system. The LAW is on thier side and the truth comes out most times in these situations.

What I am pointing out is that Dorner told the hostages that he wanted to "Clear his name".

That he didn't want to hurt them (hostages) but that he didn't kill those people.

You are the one so dead set on the fact that Dorner was a killing machine.

Dorner, by accounts of the hosatages seems IMHO to suffer from PTSD but a calm person who was level-headed enough not to freak his hostages out nor did he hold them for a long time.

Dorner may have been set up. This IS a possibility... but the LAPD made sure all leads to the truth would be stopped.

If you want to believe Dorner's manefesto (that Dorner was even the true author)

then believe the ENTIRE manefesto.

That Dorner did kill the people who hurt him. Meaning they were NOT innocent. It was revenge, they ruined his life, fucked with him, threatened him...

so he turned on them.

Its like Dorner is the Frankenstein monster... and the LAPD is Dr. Frankenstien.

They created that "peice of shit", and that Peice of Shit got tired of the shit they were doing to him.

They should have allowed the Justice system to do its work.

purplethunder3121 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

'THAT'S SO RAVEN' STAR
THANK GOD DORNER'S DEAD
'Cause People Thought I Was Him

EXCLUSIVE

"That's So Raven" star Rondell Sheridan breathed a HUGE sigh of relief when he found out Christopher Dorner was dead ... 'cause they look so much alike, Rondell says he was legitimately scared to go out in public.

Rondell -- who played Raven Symone's dad on the Disney sitcom -- tells TMZ ... ever since the manhunt for Dorner began, he noticed people were giving him strange looks in public ... the kind of looks that say, "I could get a reward if I capture this dude."

"Honestly I know it’s nothing to laugh about, but I will admit I was a little nervous flying to LAX last Sunday, " Sheridan says.

"I was like 'Are people checking me out cause I was on [TV], or cause I look like that guy everybody’s looking for?'"

Rondell says the confusion got so bad, people notified him about an "RIP Chris Dorner" Facebook page that mistakenly featured the actor's photo.

Still, Rondell says he would jump at the chance to star as Dorner in the inevitable movie ... "But with my luck they'll give it to LL Cool J."

Or Anthony Anderson.

http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2Kzly0Tok

Damn, that's a hell of a resemblance... I know we all have doppelgangers; I know, I saw a picture of mine a long time ago...

he kinda looked like LL cool J too.

LLCoolJ bears a striking resemblance, and so does actor/comedian Anthony Anderson.

Heck EVERY black man in LA breathed a huge sigh of relief it seems when Dorner was killed off.

The LAPD was on a shoot anyone who farted too loud type of strategy. Black, white, heck even middle-aged Latino women who were bulky up top with staches were looking over their shoulder!

One loud fart and BAM! Dead! Don't be driving and that "any color/any model" pick-up truck... heck ANY truck... shit just be driving and be scared!

NaughtyKitty said:

'THAT'S SO RAVEN' STAR
THANK GOD DORNER'S DEAD
'Cause People Thought I Was Him

EXCLUSIVE

"That's So Raven" star Rondell Sheridan breathed a HUGE sigh of relief when he found out Christopher Dorner was dead ... 'cause they look so much alike, Rondell says he was legitimately scared to go out in public.

Rondell -- who played Raven Symone's dad on the Disney sitcom -- tells TMZ ... ever since the manhunt for Dorner began, he noticed people were giving him strange looks in public ... the kind of looks that say, "I could get a reward if I capture this dude."

"Honestly I know it’s nothing to laugh about, but I will admit I was a little nervous flying to LAX last Sunday, " Sheridan says.

"I was like 'Are people checking me out cause I was on [TV], or cause I look like that guy everybody’s looking for?'"

Rondell says the confusion got so bad, people notified him about an "RIP Chris Dorner" Facebook page that mistakenly featured the actor's photo.

Still, Rondell says he would jump at the chance to star as Dorner in the inevitable movie ... "But with my luck they'll give it to LL Cool J."

Or Anthony Anderson.

http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2Kzly0Tok

OMG, thank you naughty kitty!

Believe it or not I have been wracking my brain since Sunday trying to remember this guy's name. He looks just like him.

My sons kept naming Anthony Anderson and LL and they kept laughing at me cuz I was like nooo...that other guy, whatshisname.

Scary as hell that he ended up on a FB page with Dorner's name...

paintedlady said:

YOU are the one who believes two wrongs make a right.

Dorner killed folks and its OK for the LAPD to take a street gang style approach in shooting up people. The LAPD was sloppy at best in their "manhunt".

They damn near shot up LA like it was noon at the OK Corral.

The police are supposed to work within the justice system. The LAW is on thier side and the truth comes out most times in these situations.

What I am pointing out is that Dorner told the hostages that he wanted to "Clear his name".

That he didn't want to hurt them (hostages) but that he didn't kill those people.

You are the one so dead set on the fact that Dorner was a killing machine.

Dorner, by accounts of the hosatages seems IMHO to suffer from PTSD but a calm person who was level-headed enough not to freak his hostages out nor did he hold them for a long time.

Dorner may have been set up. This IS a possibility... but the LAPD made sure all leads to the truth would be stopped.

If you want to believe Dorner's manefesto (that Dorner was even the true author)

then believe the ENTIRE manefesto.

That Dorner did kill the people who hurt him. Meaning they were NOT innocent. It was revenge, they ruined his life, fucked with him, threatened him...

so he turned on them.

Its like Dorner is the Frankenstein monster... and the LAPD is Dr. Frankenstien.

They created that "peice of shit", and that Peice of Shit got tired of the shit they were doing to him.

They should have allowed the Justice system to do its work.

Are you kidding me?!? This piece of shit kills TWO INNOCENT PEOPLE, and you think he was some kind of knight, crusading for the common good? (Not to mention that the two cops he murdered had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with his case. NOTHING.)

You tell me what in the Sam Hill the daughter of his LAPD defender, and her fiance, could have POSSIBLY done to deserve to get killed.

You said "Believe the entire manifesto.

That Dorner did kill the people who hurt him. Meaning they were NOT innocent. It was revenge, they ruined his life, fucked with him, threatened him..."

You tell me RIGHT FUCKING NOW what that young girl could have possibly done to deserve murder. You tell me RIGHT FUCKING NOW what her fiance could have possibly done to deserve murder.

Hell, you tell me what ANYONE possibly could have done to deserve murder.

Why in the hell are you taking the word of an admitted cold-blooded murderer? A cold-blooded murderer who started his rampage by killing an innocent young lady and her fiance? I don't give a flying FUCK what anyone at the LAPD did or didn't do to him. You tell me with a straight face how killing those innocent, uninvolved young people was in any possible way the right thing to do.

And if you don't think Dorner killed them, you're blind. You can't seriously believe someone else wrote that manifesto, can you?

That's nuts. Completely nuts. You'd have to be totally crazy to even consider that. I know you aren't crazy. Therefore, I can only assume you didn't actually read the manifesto.

Well, you should. You will see that he CLEARLY says he's going to kill the FAMILIES of those he claimed hurt him. You will see that he CLEARLY goes into great detail about things an LAPD cop would know. My God, anyone that thinks Dorner didn't write this is just completely, totally batshit insane.

You tell me RIGHT FUCKING NOW what you could possibly to anyone that would justify them KILLING YOUR CHILDREN. Because that is EXACTLY what Dorner did. No, really - tell me RIGHT FUCKING NOW what you could possibly do to someone that would justify them killing YOUR children. Don't puss out and say, "Oh, I would never do something that bad". No, you tell me RIGHT FUCKING NOW what you - or anyone - could possibly do to someone that justifies them killing your children.

And you want to blame the LAPD for this?!? That's sick.

This piece of shit wasn't crazy. Not in the least bit. If you read his manifesto, you'd know that. if you saw how he prepared for this, you'd know that.

He was a cold-blooded murderer. He planned to murder people. He planned to murder the families of those he felt wronged him. For some reason that I cannot begin to fathom, you take at face value that he was wronged. You're so eager to believe the story of a cold-blooded murderer that killed FAMILY MEMBERS, yet you won't consider for a second that he was, in fact, guilty of what he was charged?

You said, "You are the one so dead set on the fact that Dorner was a killing machine."

You are damn right about that.

Dorner was hiding in nearby condo during manhunt

Updated 11:07 PM ET

SAN BERNARDINO, CALIF.Fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner hid in a mountain condominium as a door-to-door manhunt took place outside and, after he finally made his break, apparently killed himself with a gunshot to the head amid a fiery battle with police.

Dorner is believed to have entered the condo through an unlocked door sometime Feb. 7, soon after he arrived in the resort area of Big Bear Lake after killing three people. He locked the door and hunkered down for six days until the condo's owners came to clean it, San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon told reporters Friday.

Deputies knocked on the door that first night but moved on when they found it locked and no sign of a break-in, McMahon said.

"Our deputy knocked on that door and did not get an answer, and in hindsight it's probably a good thing that he did not answer based on his actions before and after that event," the sheriff said of Dorner.

When the owners arrived, he tied them up and fled in their car, leading to a chase, a shootout that killed a sheriff's deputy and, ultimately, Dorner's death in a remote cabin where he barricaded himself for a last stand.

Police initially weren't sure if Dorner was killed by one of their bullets or by a fire sparked when they launched incendiary tear gas inside. Now they believe he died by his own hand as the cabin was going up in flames.

"When about a quarter of the cabin was on fire, we heard a distinct single gunshot come from inside the house which was a much different-sounding shot than what he'd been shooting at us," sheriff's Capt. Kevin Lacy said.

Dorner was equipped with an arsenal of weapons, including assault rifles with flash suppressors that masked the sound of gunfire and the location it was coming from as he pelted the first two deputies to arrive at the cabin, killing Det. Jeremiah MacKay.

"Our officers had not even pulled their guns out at that point and were not prepared to engage anybody and they were ambushed," McMahon said.

The next five responding deputies got into a fierce firefight with bullets whizzing through trees. They deployed smoke bombs to block Dorner's view so they could pull the wounded to safety as other officers provided cover with a hail of bullets, said Capt. Gregg Herbert.

"Every time they tried to move, Dorner was shooting at them," he said. "There was bullets snapping through the trees."

Worried he was lying in wait to ambush them, they eventually used heavy machinery to peel back walls and windows to see if they could see Dorner, who used smoke bombs to obscure their view. They eventually resorted to the tear gas, though McMahon said they didn't intend to start the fire.

The search for the former cop began last week after authorities said the former Navy reservist launched a violent revenge campaign against the Los Angeles Police Department for firing him, warning in an angry manifesto on Facebook that he would bring "warfare" to LAPD officers and their families.

Dorner was dismissed for filing a false police report that accused his training officer of kicking a mentally disabled man.

His first victims were Monica Quan and her fiance, Keith Lawrence, both gunned down outside their Orange County condominium Feb. 3. Quan was the daughter of former LAPD Capt. Randal Quan, who Dorner said did not properly defend him before a disciplinary board.

After ambushing and killing Riverside police officer Michael Crain and seriously wounding his partner at a traffic light, Dorner fled to the San Bernardino National Forest, about 80 miles east of Los Angeles. His burned-out truck, with a broken axle was found within walking distance of the Big Bear Lake condo where he hid 100 feet across the street from the command post set up for the manhunt.

Dorner entered the condo through a door left unlocked for a maintenance man, McMahon said. He locked it and stayed there as officers went door-to-door checking vacation cabins and condos and used heat-seeking helicopters to search for the fugitive in the forest.

He didn't appear to be in contact with anyone or have help while on the run, McMahon said.

While some residents have criticized the search for missing Dorner so close by, the sheriff emphatically supported his department, raising his voice and saying deputies "performed flawlessly."

"Understand we found the door locked at that condominium," he said. "My instructions were that we were not going to kick the doors open to unoccupied residences or ones where nobody answered."

It was the condo's owners, Karen and Jim Reynolds, who finally found Dorner when they arrived Tuesday and unlocked the door that they assumed the maintenance man had locked. Dorner pointed a gun at them, tied them up and fled in their purple Nissan Rogue SUV.

"I really thought it could be the end," Karen Reynolds said afterward. Even though she was bound, she managed to 911 moments after he left.

Local game wardens picked up the chase some 20 miles down the road, but Dorner quickly lost them on a side road, where he crashed the SUV and then carjacked a pickup truck from a man at gunpoint.

As he passed other wardens, he fired on them from his open window.

Dorner eventually crashed the truck and ran to the vacant cabin where the fierce gunbattle and standoff lasted hours until tear gas and fire apparently forced the gunman who began the rampage to bring it to an end.

CBS News correspondent Carter Evans was there caught in the crossfire when the gun battle took place on Tuesday. It was so intense that Evans was forced to take cover, but left a cell phone on. At the very beginning of the shootout, one can hear authorities near the phone talking about burning Dorner out of the cabin he was holed up in:

Officer 1: "Burn that (expletive) house down."

Officer 2: "Get going right now."

Officer 1: (expletive) burn that mother(expletive)

After the crack of the distinctive gunshot, investigators only heard ammunition popping in the flames as the cabin burned to the ground. Dorner's body was later found in the basement.

The day after the shootout, McMahon had insisted that authorities did not burn down the cabin on purpose. At Friday's press conference with the sheriff's department, correspondent Evans asked about that. "We did not intentionally burn that cab down," said McMahon. "I stand by that remark. They had just been involved in probably one of the most fierce firefights. Sometimes, because we're humans, they say things they may or may not be appropriate."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57569728/dorner-was-hiding-in-nearby-condo-during-manhunt/

^In addition to being a murdering piece of shit, Dorner was the poorest excuse for Rambo I've ever seen.

What a stupid fucking pussy he was.

It's sad how people defended this clown as if he was some martyr. The cops ain't no better but let's call it like it is. The man pre-meditated this in his manifesto what he was gonna do and he still got caught despite some in the media wanting him to get away. No way was he gonna end it peacefully. There's a lot of corruptness in the police department but Dorner didn't have to remind me of that. I knew that from jump street. The attention whore got what he wanted.

The manefesto appeared on a brand new account on FB set up by Dorner???

The day of or before the shooting began?

Sounds shady.

Who the fuck writes out a public kill list then goes on a killing rampage ... not just any people... people tied to police. The Chief of police's daughter... a grown woman and her fiance.

So convenient this menefesto would surface in such a way.

Let's get one thing straight.... I NEVER called this guy a hero/knight/or any other positive adjective.

I said he was fucking Frankenstein Monster.

That girl was killed because she was tied in that shit or made a easy target for a set up.

Her fiance was killed by means of asscoiation.

Were they innocent? They knew something ... enough to get them killed.

Did Dorner do it?

Why would he start some BS FB account and print that shit online?

Who is that stupid?

Dorner didn't even have any friends on that brand new account....

but yeah, go ahead and believe that he just wanted to kill these people

because he was fired... YEARS before.

Why didn't this piece of shit kill these assholes sooner? He was so quick to shoot people right?

I am telling you Dorner knew some shit and this whole situation stinks.

For all we know the LAPD killed them all and covered all that shit up.

I am sorry that woman and her man died, but why not get answers before the execution.

They just wanted blood, not justice.

To me, Dorner was the tool of distraction from a bigger evil.

^Yeah, daughters and fiances are ALWAYS tied up in police business.

Oh, and of COURSE he didn't post the manifesto until he was ready to begin murdering people. What kind of fucking moron would have posted that weeks earlier, and given law enforcement the chance to find out about it and at least question him? Do you really think a cold-blooded pre-meditated murderer like Dorner was going to give a WARNING to his victims? Fuck no! He posted that so that morons like some here would think he was "justified" in killing whoever the fuck he wanted.

You know what the worst part about your position is? Aside from the fact that you have no problem whatsoever with the killing of family members of people that someone doesn't like?

It's that you take Dorner's word as fact. You take the word of a cold-blooded killer - a man who killed family members, and cops who had NOTHING to do whatsoever with whatever wrong he thought he'd suffered.

This cold-blooded monster is somehow credible in your world.

Well he isn't in mine.

When he was found guilty of whatever it was, let me ask you - was his picture ever in "Time" magazine? Did Dan Rather ever talk aobut him on the CBS Evening News? Did they write about him in The Wall Street Journal? Did LA's version of "Texas Monthly" ever write a 1,000+ word article about him? Was he ever reported on in the radio, all the local newspapers, and most of the papers in the state?

Did he ever appeal a verdict all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States of America?

Well, me, my father, and my family was, and did. All that and more. We had FAR FAR more taken away from us by the government than Dorner could ever dream. Not just our money ($$$$$$$$ more than Dorner could ever count), not just our businesses, not just our jobs - our entire reputations.

We never ONCE thought that was justification to kill the SOBs that screwed us out of everything we had - much less did we think that killing their FAMILIES was the "right" thing to do.

Outside of the dozen or so cops involved in Dorner's case, do you think anyone in LA knew who the fuck Dorner was? Fuck no. No one in LA could have given two shits about Dorner. He could have gone ANYWHERE and gotten a job.

For awhile, my name was known all over the state. I live in Houston, and I'd go to Dallas, and I'd hear the whispers and the pointing. Did Dorner EVER have to go through anything like that, just because he got dismissed by the LAPD?

FUCK NO HE DIDN'T.

We didn't kill anyone. We were plenty fucking mad, no doubt about it. But we didn't kill anyone, we didn't punch anyone, we didn't cry like a little fucking baby about it. By the way, Christopher Dorner is a motherfucking disgrace to the United States Navy.

God knows why you and Shorty are defending this piece of shit (and Shorty was ever ROOTING for him, which is unbelievable to me), but you shouldn't be.

I feel strongly about this because that piece of shit killed people, and especially because he said he would kill family members and HE DID KILL FAMILY MEMBERS. You think a college basketball coach "knew enough to get killed" (which, I presume you have no problem with because you haven't criticized Dorner one iota for killing them)? ARE YOU FUCKING HIGH?

There's no justification for murder, and in Dorner's case I am more than qualified to speak on it. I've been through far more, and lost way, WAY more than that piece of shit ever dreamed about having.

I didn't kill anyone. I got mad, got over my anger, and showed the SOBs by building it all back and restoring my reputation.

That fuckhead murderer Dorner never considered that. What a total pussy and piece of shit he was.

RodeoSchro said:

^Yeah, daughters and fiances are ALWAYS tied up in police business.

Oh, and of COURSE he didn't post the manifesto until he was ready to begin murdering people. What kind of fucking moron would have posted that weeks earlier, and given law enforcement the chance to find out about it and at least question him? Do you really think a cold-blooded pre-meditated murderer like Dorner was going to give a WARNING to his victims? Fuck no! He posted that so that morons like some here would think he was "justified" in killing whoever the fuck he wanted.

You know what the worst part about your position is? Aside from the fact that you have no problem whatsoever with the killing of family members of people that someone doesn't like?

It's that you take Dorner's word as fact. You take the word of a cold-blooded killer - a man who killed family members, and cops who had NOTHING to do whatsoever with whatever wrong he thought he'd suffered.

This cold-blooded monster is somehow credible in your world.

Well he isn't in mine.

When he was found guilty of whatever it was, let me ask you - was his picture ever in "Time" magazine? Did Dan Rather ever talk aobut him on the CBS Evening News? Did they write about him in The Wall Street Journal? Did LA's version of "Texas Monthly" ever write a 1,000+ word article about him? Was he ever reported on in the radio, all the local newspapers, and most of the papers in the state?

Did he ever appeal a verdict all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States of America?

Well, me, my father, and my family was, and did. All that and more. We had FAR FAR more taken away from us by the government than Dorner could ever dream. Not just our money ($$$$$$$$ more than Dorner could ever count), not just our businesses, not just our jobs - our entire reputations.

We never ONCE thought that was justification to kill the SOBs that screwed us out of everything we had - much less did we think that killing their FAMILIES was the "right" thing to do.

Outside of the dozen or so cops involved in Dorner's case, do you think anyone in LA knew who the fuck Dorner was? Fuck no. No one in LA could have given two shits about Dorner. He could have gone ANYWHERE and gotten a job.

For awhile, my name was known all over the state. I live in Houston, and I'd go to Dallas, and I'd hear the whispers and the pointing. Did Dorner EVER have to go through anything like that, just because he got dismissed by the LAPD?

FUCK NO HE DIDN'T.

We didn't kill anyone. We were plenty fucking mad, no doubt about it. But we didn't kill anyone, we didn't punch anyone, we didn't cry like a little fucking baby about it. By the way, Christopher Dorner is a motherfucking disgrace to the United States Navy.

God knows why you and Shorty are defending this piece of shit (and Shorty was ever ROOTING for him, which is unbelievable to me), but you shouldn't be.

I feel strongly about this because that piece of shit killed people, and especially because he said he would kill family members and HE DID KILL FAMILY MEMBERS. You think a college basketball coach "knew enough to get killed" (which, I presume you have no problem with because you haven't criticized Dorner one iota for killing them)? ARE YOU FUCKING HIGH?

There's no justification for murder, and in Dorner's case I am more than qualified to speak on it. I've been through far more, and lost way, WAY more than that piece of shit ever dreamed about having.

I didn't kill anyone. I got mad, got over my anger, and showed the SOBs by building it all back and restoring my reputation.

That fuckhead murderer Dorner never considered that. What a total pussy and piece of shit he was.

Let's try not to personalize this...

its not about YOU or your family or mine.

I would never kill ANYONE let alone, justify someone's death.

Let's stick to Dorner and HIS sad story.

Dorner was killed... shot down and burned like a rabid animal. Oh well... he must have absolutely deserved that! No trial no questions... let's just gun that fucker down! No surprise, no sadness honestly. I just feel sorry for how these families who lost loved ones will have no answers to a bunch of unanswered questions.

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I believe they sent no negotiator they came in with equipment to tear down walls and doors to run him down and kill him. No time for taking because he was proven guilty before being set in front of any judge.... before looking at any evidence in any court of law.

3 people were gunned down before Dorner was executed. I would have liked to see Dorner go to trial and have our justice system do its job. Why does the police not trust in its own system? as The police acted just as badly as Dorner did. IMHO, all a bunch of trained killers doing what comes natural to them now. No better than gangs on the street taking out people, eye for and eye, tooth for a tooth.

It makes no sense what so ever for any man who is trained and intelligent to give the police a trail of breadcrumbs (A la' a manefesto posted on a public website) days before he goes on a murder spree.

Why do that at all? Why tell the police anything? Why give the police a motive in black and white?

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As for me, I do not feel safe as a citizen for me OR my kids when the police can go on a shooting rampage on the very civilians they swore to protect and serve.

All because "their own" was threatened and their own were killed? That makes it right? Its OK for police to go apeshit on everyday people on their search for one guy because on ONE post on facebook? OK THAT makes perfect sense!

Meanwhile the OJ Sipmson's and Caylee Anthony are allowed to go free and wander the streets??!!!

Oh wait... I guess THOSE victims weren't as important because they were not related to any police. And Caylee actually killed a totally INNOCENT BABY!!! But police don't give a fuck do they? Their hands are tied right? What can they do?

I don't give a fuck about Dorner, but when the police get butthurt over one of their own and go apeshit and stop giving a fuck about their citizens.... infringing on the right of lives of innocent people on the streets that have NOTHING to do with the crimes committed. Yeah, I do not support that shit at all and will never co-sign on that mess for what ever reason. Fuck them and their "cause". Don't point those fucking guns at me. Fuck that!

Somebody's kids get shot then you better not point your fucking guns at my kids thinking we may be to blame when you have no evidence. Don't throw my people or my kids in your warfare! I don't want MY black man getting shot dead on the street because he was breathing and minding his own business.

And YOU expect me to be OK with the way the LAPD was shooting up LA all in the name of "seeking justice"??? What fucking justice was served? Really? THAT mess was "justice"?

The police should not EVER walk around like that are Gods with guns. Fuck that!

That's why I believe this situation is a fucked up one on the police's part. They fucked up and I will always wonder why they took that route, its just bad sloppy business.

This is why people buy tons of guns and assualt rifles because police do shit like this.

[Edited 2/16/13 12:32pm]

CNN is doing an hour long in depth story on Dorner right now.

The LAPD shot innocent people…they couldn't get visual confirmation or run the plates before they blasted that truck and shot a woman in the back or smashed into the other truck? They searched 100s of homes with no warrants. Although many of the residents claimed no one even came to their home. So which is it? Ultimately, they ended up making a vigilante assassin who alleges he was fired for exposing police corruption look saner than their department.

“As police swarmed around the cabin, news helicopters were ordered away, and SWAT teams moved in"…now wait a bit…cabin is on fire; crackling recorded audio of officers yelling to burn the house down....appears as though they ordered the news helicopters away so there wasn't video of police burning the house to the ground...yet the sheriff said it was an accident??

No matter what the crime committed there should always be a trial. At least he could’ve gotten life in prison or even the death penalty but instead they kill him and burn the place down? Is this what America is about now? This entire fiasco was suspicious from the jump. Look at the big picture and how the cops went about this and anyone can see they were scared to death of something leaking.

Now we have a third former cop testifying about the racism in the LAPD…

Retired LAPD Sgt. Cheryl Dorsey: The Stress on Officers isn’t the Public, it’s the Department

February 14, 2013 by jasmynecannick Leave a Comment

Another retired LAPD officer comes forward in light of Dorner manifesto and co-signs the claims of racism in the department

http://www.eurweb.com/201...epartment/

And this from a female attorney, professor, and human rights activist…

http://www.eurweb.com/201...situation/

Let us commit to collectively refusing to speak with LAPD other than in reference to community demands. And then, let’s come up with some new ones. Something other than asking for a Department of Justice investigation. Other than an apology. Other than a kindler gentler police force.

Some demands to consider:

• Demand that LAPD give us the Dorner file to investigate in its entirety, from his initial complaint to his death by fire. The investigation would be done by our own independent review panel, made up of experts in the community who we know and trust. Experts include community advocates as well as retired officers, judges, and attorneys.

• Demand that LAPD release the names of the officers involved in the shooting of the two newspaper delivery people and turn that investigation over to an independent group of the victims’ choosing, which could be our panel;

• Demand that LAPD release to our independent panel complaints of officer misconduct against members of our community alleged or filed by anyone, including other officers, over the past 5 years.

I agree with her. NO, I do not condone what Dorner did—IF he did what they say! Neither do I condone the vigilante cops who burned him…whether he was dead or alive first we will never know. Cops are not supposed to be criminals.

paintedlady said:

LLCoolJ bears a striking resemblance, and so does actor/comedian Anthony Anderson.

Heck EVERY black man in LA breathed a huge sigh of relief it seems when Dorner was killed off.

The LAPD was on a shoot anyone who farted too loud type of strategy. Black, white, heck even middle-aged Latino women who were bulky up top with staches were looking over their shoulder!

One loud fart and BAM! Dead! Don't be driving and that "any color/any model" pick-up truck... heck ANY truck... shit just be driving and be scared!

It doesn't matter what the manifesto said. That's a bunch of words typed on a keyboard. Who even knows who wrote them or whether they were edited or doctored. The only thing that matters here is actions.

If those hostages who spent some time with Dorner did indeed relay that he told them that he hadn't killed those people, then that's a legit possibility that must be investigated. If there is some truth behind that possibility, then some people here need to take some time to rethink their statements.

It sounds like those hostages are the only ones who spent time and talked with him while he was on the run. The insight that they can provide here is invaluable!

nd33 said:

It doesn't matter what the manifesto said. That's a bunch of words typed on a keyboard. Who even knows who wrote them or whether they were edited or doctored. The only thing that matters here is actions.

If those hostages who spent some time with Dorner did indeed relay that he told them that he hadn't killed those people, then that's a legit possibility that must be investigated. If there is some truth behind that possibility, then some people here need to take some time to rethink their statements.

It sounds like those hostages are the only ones who spent time and talked with him while he was on the run. The insight that they can provide here is invaluable!

or maybe he is a master manipulator?

SuperFurryAnimal said:

nd33 said:

It doesn't matter what the manifesto said. That's a bunch of words typed on a keyboard. Who even knows who wrote them or whether they were edited or doctored. The only thing that matters here is actions.

If those hostages who spent some time with Dorner did indeed relay that he told them that he hadn't killed those people, then that's a legit possibility that must be investigated. If there is some truth behind that possibility, then some people here need to take some time to rethink their statements.

It sounds like those hostages are the only ones who spent time and talked with him while he was on the run. The insight that they can provide here is invaluable!

or maybe he is a master manipulator?

SuperFurryAnimal said:

nd33 said:

It doesn't matter what the manifesto said. That's a bunch of words typed on a keyboard. Who even knows who wrote them or whether they were edited or doctored. The only thing that matters here is actions.

If those hostages who spent some time with Dorner did indeed relay that he told them that he hadn't killed those people, then that's a legit possibility that must be investigated. If there is some truth behind that possibility, then some people here need to take some time to rethink their statements.

It sounds like those hostages are the only ones who spent time and talked with him while he was on the run. The insight that they can provide here is invaluable!

or maybe he is a master manipulator?

He COULD have been, and this is why I argue that the truth must have been allowed to come out.

Even if Dorner was guilty, the LAPD should have allowed its own system to judge him against the evidence in a trial.

The LAPD didn't allow for that. That scares and angers me. The police are wrong for that.

don't need a badge or a gun. got a pen and no vendetta .

noimageatall said:

The LAPD shot innocent people…they couldn't get visual confirmation or run the plates before they blasted that truck and shot a woman in the back or smashed into the other truck? They searched 100s of homes with no warrants. Although many of the residents claimed no one even came to their home. So which is it? Ultimately, they ended up making a vigilante assassin who alleges he was fired for exposing police corruption look saner than their department.

“As police swarmed around the cabin, news helicopters were ordered away, and SWAT teams moved in"…now wait a bit…cabin is on fire; crackling recorded audio of officers yelling to burn the house down....appears as though they ordered the news helicopters away so there wasn't video of police burning the house to the ground...yet the sheriff said it was an accident??

No matter what the crime committed there should always be a trial. At least he could’ve gotten life in prison or even the death penalty but instead they kill him and burn the place down? Is this what America is about now? This entire fiasco was suspicious from the jump. Look at the big picture and how the cops went about this and anyone can see they were scared to death of something leaking.

Now we have a third former cop testifying about the racism in the LAPD…

......And this from a female attorney, professor, and human rights activist…

I agree with her. NO, I do not condone what Dorner did—IF he did what they say! Neither do I condone the vigilante cops who burned him…whether he was dead or alive first we will never know. Cops are not supposed to be criminals.

I love you. You always word it so much better than I do. I know I am not crazy.

paintedlady said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

or maybe he is a master manipulator?

He COULD have been, and this is why I argue that the truth must have been allowed to come out.

Even if Dorner was guilty, the LAPD should have allowed its own system to judge him against the evidence in a trial.

The LAPD didn't allow for that. That scares and angers me. The police are wrong for that.

they are guilty of allowing a killer to blow own brains out and torch a cabin?