noimageatall said:

Apparently his ID is fireproof.

The DMV is good for something!

WTH, what if the person in the cabin was a gun crazy who saw cops and then thought the government was coming after him and he needed to start shooting to prove his 2nd amendment rights?

Carjacking victim: Christopher Dorner told me "I don't want to hurt you"

A 61-year-old man said multiple-murder suspect Christopher Dorner carjacked his truck before the fugitive allegedly killed a sheriff's deputy and barricaded himself inside a Big Bear cabin for several hours, CBS Los Angeles reports.

Richard Heltebrake was driving his silver truck near where he worked at a Boy Scout camp when he said the 33-year-old ex-Los Angeles police officer confronted him.

"Christopher Dorner jumped out in front of my truck. He apparently had crashed whatever vehicle he was driving, and he stopped me at gunpoint," Heltebrake said.

Heltebrake, who was riding with his Dalmatian, told CBS Los Angeles station KCAL-TV that he immediately stopped his pickup and raised his hands.

"He said, 'I don't want to hurt you. Just get out and start walking up the road and take your dog with you,'" Heltebrake said.

The 61-year-old Boy Scout leader and former reserve police officer started to walk away when gunfire erupted.

"Ten seconds later, there were a bunch of gunshots, which apparently were the deputies that were coming up the road right behind me," said Heltebrake. "I started running through the snow and got behind a tree for some cover, and I called my deputy friend and told him what had just happened."

Heltebrake said he would "absolutely" pursue the million-dollar reward for Dorner's capture.

It's not yet confirmed if the charred remains sheriff's deputies said were found inside a burned-out cabin Tuesday near Big Bear Lake are Dorner's, CBS News correspondent Carter Evans reports. The cabin went up in flames after an intense shootout.

Early Tuesday, two cleaning ladies at a condominium in Big Bear discovered a man they say looked like Dorner. He took them hostage, tied them up and tried to escape, stealing a pair of vehicles — one of them Heltebrake's — along the way.

California Fish and Wildlife Lt. Patrick Foy told The Associated Press that the housekeepers surprised Dorner when they showed up and that one of the women eventually managed to break free and called 911.

Acting on reports of a carjacking, law enforcement officials quickly tracked the man accused of targeting police officers and their families.

"The suspect that stole the vehicle matched the description. He crashed the car and then took off into the forest," San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said.

As he barricaded himself in an empty cabin, the man believed to be Dorner fired a .50-caliber sniper rifle, shooting two deputies, killing one of them.

Following tactical teams, CBS News' crew was caught in the middle of a second firefight. Asked on "CBS This Morning" Wednesday how Evans was able to get so close to the firefight, he said he and his crew received a tip on where to find some police teams searching for Dorner and then heard the carjacking reports.

"At that point we started following those search teams, and they jumped out of their cars with their rifles drawn and started firing, and only then did we really realize what we rolled up on," Evans said.

At one point, the man believed to be Dorner tried to escape by throwing a smoke grenade at officers. Police also deployed smoke grenades, setting up a screen so the wounded could be evacuated.

The resort town of Big Bear had been the focus of the manhunt since last Thursday, when a burned-out truck belonging to Dorner was found in the area, along with weapons, survival gear and a gas mask. As the media descended on the town and SWAT teams searched door to door, police now believe Dorner was hiding in plain sight in an unoccupied condo just across the road from their command post.

On "CBS This Morning," CBS News senior correspondent John Miller, who once headed the Los Angeles Police Department's Major Crimes Division, reported that the cabin had apparently been empty for some time and it remained unclear whether Dorner had been hiding in it for hours or days.

The search for Dorner had gone on for several days without a confirmed sighting of the suspect. That prompted former LAPD Chief William Bratton, whose name was on a hit list included in Dorner's online manifesto, to meet Tuesday afternoon with the threat-assessment unit in the New York Police Department's Intelligence Division Tuesday afternoon, he said on "CBS This Morning" Wednesday.

"My company was starting to get a little nervous about the idea that he had not been seen for several days, would have had time to begun to move around, so in response to their concerns they had just begun a threat-assessment process here in the event that there was a sighting in this area," Bratton said.

In Los Angeles, 50 protection details had guarded Dorner's possible targets. In an online rant, Dorner pledged revenge against those he says were responsible for his being fired from the LAPD, CBS News correspondent Bill Whitaker reports.

Dorner claims he was wrongly dismissed when he complained his training officer had used excessive force. LAPD Chief Charlie Beck had reopened the case, "not to appease him but to make sure that the community understands that we're transparent and we value fairness," Beck said.

In a Wednesday morning briefing, LAPD spokesman Lt. Andy Neiman said "approximately a dozen or so" of the protection details would continue until the department and the people being protected felt safe.

"We still have some individuals in this department who are still in great fear," Neiman told reporters. "When your life and the lives of your family are placed in jeopardy and threatened with death, that's quite something to deal with."

Neiman said LAPD staff at police headquarters listened on the Internet to police radio communications coming from San Bernardino during Tuesday's shootout, describing what they heard as "horrifying."

"To listen to that firefight and to hear those words, 'officer down,' is the most gut-wrenching experience that you can have as a police officer because you know what that means," Neiman said.

Neiman also said the department would continue re-examining Dorner's termination, describing it as "a total separate issue."

Late Tuesday, heavily armed officers finally cornered their suspect. They fired tear gas and deployed vehicles to rip down the house where he was holed up. Then, a single gunshot from inside. Smoke and flames soon poured from the cabin.

Multiple rounds of exploding ammunition could be heard in the crackle of the fire, but no one was ever seen running from the burning building.

For several hours, there were reports that the cabin was too hot and too dangerous for authorities to enter, but now officials have said they found a charred body inside. The coroner will investigate and only then will they be able to positively identify the body.

Miller reported that San Bernardino County authorities are "very confident" the body is Dorner's, noting the powerful weapon and the smoke grenade the gunman used in the standoff.

"These are not things that would be consistent with any other criminal they would be chasing up here," said Miller. "This guy came up there armed to the teeth."

Because Dorner was with the military and the LAPD, authorities will be able to match his DNA, fingerprints and other records on file against the body when it is recovered from the burned-down house.

Investigators had been on Dorner's trail since he allegedly started gunning for police officers and their families last week. On Sunday night, a reported sighting at a Lowe's hardware store near Los Angeles led to a massive police response. The dragnet extended south, where agents searched every car crossing the Mexican border.

Dorner's rampage began Feb. 3 in Irvine, Calif., when police say he shot and killed Keith Lawrence, 27, and his fiancee Monica Quan, a 28-year-old college basketball coach, in a parked car. Quan was the daughter of retired former LAPD Capt. Randal Quan, who defended Dorner in disciplinary hearings that resulted in his termination.

Early Thursday, police say Dorner exchanged gunfire with two officers in Corona, Calif., when they tried to approach him. Later that morning, he allegedly ambushed two Riverside policemen at a stoplight. One died.

In his manifesto posted on his Facebook page, Dorner boasted that he could outsmart his pursuers, writing, "I will utilize every bit of small arms training, demolition, ordnance, and survival training I've been given."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57569233/carjacking-victim-christopher-dorner-told-me-i-dont-want-to-hurt-you/

NaughtyKitty said:

Carjacking victim: Christopher Dorner told me "I don't want to hurt you"

A 61-year-old man said multiple-murder suspect Christopher Dorner carjacked his truck before the fugitive allegedly killed a sheriff's deputy and barricaded himself inside a Big Bear cabin for several hours, CBS Los Angeles reports.

Richard Heltebrake was driving his silver truck near where he worked at a Boy Scout camp when he said the 33-year-old ex-Los Angeles police officer confronted him.

"Christopher Dorner jumped out in front of my truck. He apparently had crashed whatever vehicle he was driving, and he stopped me at gunpoint," Heltebrake said.

Heltebrake, who was riding with his Dalmatian, told CBS Los Angeles station KCAL-TV that he immediately stopped his pickup and raised his hands.

"He said, 'I don't want to hurt you. Just get out and start walking up the road and take your dog with you,'" Heltebrake said.

The 61-year-old Boy Scout leader and former reserve police officer started to walk away when gunfire erupted.

"Ten seconds later, there were a bunch of gunshots, which apparently were the deputies that were coming up the road right behind me," said Heltebrake. "I started running through the snow and got behind a tree for some cover, and I called my deputy friend and told him what had just happened."

Heltebrake said he would "absolutely" pursue the million-dollar reward for Dorner's capture.

He'll have to split it with the two cleaning ladies..

runphilrun said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Carjacking victim: Christopher Dorner told me "I don't want to hurt you"

A 61-year-old man said multiple-murder suspect Christopher Dorner carjacked his truck before the fugitive allegedly killed a sheriff's deputy and barricaded himself inside a Big Bear cabin for several hours, CBS Los Angeles reports.

Richard Heltebrake was driving his silver truck near where he worked at a Boy Scout camp when he said the 33-year-old ex-Los Angeles police officer confronted him.

"Christopher Dorner jumped out in front of my truck. He apparently had crashed whatever vehicle he was driving, and he stopped me at gunpoint," Heltebrake said.

Heltebrake, who was riding with his Dalmatian, told CBS Los Angeles station KCAL-TV that he immediately stopped his pickup and raised his hands.

"He said, 'I don't want to hurt you. Just get out and start walking up the road and take your dog with you,'" Heltebrake said.

The 61-year-old Boy Scout leader and former reserve police officer started to walk away when gunfire erupted.

"Ten seconds later, there were a bunch of gunshots, which apparently were the deputies that were coming up the road right behind me," said Heltebrake. "I started running through the snow and got behind a tree for some cover, and I called my deputy friend and told him what had just happened."

Heltebrake said he would "absolutely" pursue the million-dollar reward for Dorner's capture.

He'll have to split it with the two cleaning ladies..

How much you wanna bet nobody gets anything.

If he's given them the slip after all that, he is one smart guy and they have a case to be very worried. Hopefully, now, people can go and deliver their papers in peace.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

runphilrun said:

He'll have to split it with the two cleaning ladies..

How much you wanna bet nobody gets anything.

I think you're probably right. I think the reward was for "The capture and conviction of Christopher Dorner" Since he was neither captured or convicted, they probably get away with this loophole.

[Edited 2/13/13 14:54pm]

Cause of cabin fire fuels debate on Christopher Dorner standoff

"Ok, we're gonna go forward with the plan, with the burn ... like we talked about."

"Seven burners deployed and we have a fire."

"Copy. Seven burners deployed and we have a fire."

These purported police commands come from 5 minutes and 17 seconds of audio allegedly recorded off law enforcement radios during Tuesday’s tense standoff between SWAT officers and suspected serial killer Christopher Dorner.

The audio, posted to YouTube, has fueled speculation that authorities may have purposely started the fire to either kill Dorner or force him to surrender.

On Wednesday, law enforcement sources confirmed to the Los Angeles Times that officers did throw incendiary tear gas canisters into the mountain cabin before it caught fire. According to the Times:

SWAT officers surrounding the cabin were under a "constant barrage of gunfire," one source said. “He put himself in that position. There weren’t a lot of options.” Hoping to end the standoff, law enforcement authorities first lobbed "traditional" tear gas into the cabin. When that did not work, they opted to use CS gas canisters, which are known in law enforcement parlance as incendiary tear gas. These canisters have significantly more chance of starting a fire. This gas can cause humans to have burning eyes and start to feel as if they are being starved for oxygen. It is often used to drive barricaded individuals out.

Dorner, a disgruntled ex-LAPD officer accused of killing four people in the past week, never emerged from the charred cabin near Big Bear Lake, Calif.

The coroner’s office is studying the remains of a burned body found in the basement, but an anonymous official told The Associated Press that a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license issued to Christopher Dorner, were recovered.

An exact cause of death for the body has not been revealed. On the YouTube audio, an unidentified voice says, “It sounds like one shot fired from inside the residence” about the time a police demolition vehicle was tearing down the cabin’s walls and the house became inflamed.

“We have fire in the front. He might come out the back,” a voice says on the YouTube recording.

"Fire doing quite well. I'm going to let it go," a law enforcement officer also said, according to a Yahoo News reporter also monitoring the San Bernardino sheriff’s radio traffic.

A smart move, S.W.A.T. Magazine editor Denny Hansen told Yahoo News.

“You really can’t send firemen up there if the subject is still alive and may shoot them,” said Hansen, himself a former tactical officer. “They may have believed that he started the fire as a diversionary tactic to escape.”

Veteran police consultant Chuck Drago told Yahoo News that he interprets the officers’ discussion of “burners” to be the tear gas canisters that were used.

“They are not meant to cause fire, but they can,” he said. “Sometimes you have a lot of options at your disposal, and sometimes you're limited.”

With nightfall approaching and Dorner having already vowed to seek revenge by unleashing "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare," Drago said the officers must have decided that a possible blaze was worth the risk to accomplish their mission.

“They had to move pretty quickly in this situation,” he said.

Hansen scoffs at anyone who thinks otherwise.

“I’ve already heard some people say, ‘Well, they burned him alive without a trial,’” Hansen said. “There are always going to be conspiracy theories.”

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/cause-cabin-fire-fuels-debate-christopher-dorner-standoff-222441723.html

runphilrun said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

How much you wanna bet nobody gets anything.

I think you're probably right. I think the reward was for "The capture and conviction of Christopher Dorner" Since he was neither captured or convicted, they probably get away with this loophole.

[Edited 2/13/13 14:54pm]

it was just for his capture, no body ever had plans on him bein convicted.

well, maybe SOMEBODY thought he would make it to court

the smart money was on SUICIDE BY COP

NaughtyKitty said:

Cause of cabin fire fuels debate on Christopher Dorner standoff

"Ok, we're gonna go forward with the plan, with the burn ... like we talked about."

"Seven burners deployed and we have a fire."

"Copy. Seven burners deployed and we have a fire."

These purported police commands come from 5 minutes and 17 seconds of audio allegedly recorded off law enforcement radios during Tuesday’s tense standoff between SWAT officers and suspected serial killer Christopher Dorner.

The audio, posted to YouTube, has fueled speculation that authorities may have purposely started the fire to either kill Dorner or force him to surrender.

On Wednesday, law enforcement sources confirmed to the Los Angeles Times that officers did throw incendiary tear gas canisters into the mountain cabin before it caught fire. According to the Times:

SWAT officers surrounding the cabin were under a "constant barrage of gunfire," one source said. “He put himself in that position. There weren’t a lot of options.” Hoping to end the standoff, law enforcement authorities first lobbed "traditional" tear gas into the cabin. When that did not work, they opted to use CS gas canisters, which are known in law enforcement parlance as incendiary tear gas. These canisters have significantly more chance of starting a fire. This gas can cause humans to have burning eyes and start to feel as if they are being starved for oxygen. It is often used to drive barricaded individuals out.

Dorner, a disgruntled ex-LAPD officer accused of killing four people in the past week, never emerged from the charred cabin near Big Bear Lake, Calif.

The coroner’s office is studying the remains of a burned body found in the basement, but an anonymous official told The Associated Press that a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license issued to Christopher Dorner, were recovered.

An exact cause of death for the body has not been revealed. On the YouTube audio, an unidentified voice says, “It sounds like one shot fired from inside the residence” about the time a police demolition vehicle was tearing down the cabin’s walls and the house became inflamed.

“We have fire in the front. He might come out the back,” a voice says on the YouTube recording.

"Fire doing quite well. I'm going to let it go," a law enforcement officer also said, according to a Yahoo News reporter also monitoring the San Bernardino sheriff’s radio traffic.

A smart move, S.W.A.T. Magazine editor Denny Hansen told Yahoo News.

“You really can’t send firemen up there if the subject is still alive and may shoot them,” said Hansen, himself a former tactical officer. “They may have believed that he started the fire as a diversionary tactic to escape.”

Veteran police consultant Chuck Drago told Yahoo News that he interprets the officers’ discussion of “burners” to be the tear gas canisters that were used.

“They are not meant to cause fire, but they can,” he said. “Sometimes you have a lot of options at your disposal, and sometimes you're limited.”

With nightfall approaching and Dorner having already vowed to seek revenge by unleashing "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare," Drago said the officers must have decided that a possible blaze was worth the risk to accomplish their mission.

“They had to move pretty quickly in this situation,” he said.

Hansen scoffs at anyone who thinks otherwise.

“I’ve already heard some people say, ‘Well, they burned him alive without a trial,’” Hansen said. “There are always going to be conspiracy theories.”

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/cause-cabin-fire-fuels-debate-christopher-dorner-standoff-222441723.html

It's kinda horrible to think he could have possibly burned alive, not a lot of options though.

And as far as IDs go, wasn't he leaving IDs of various kinds all over the place during the week?

morningsong said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Cause of cabin fire fuels debate on Christopher Dorner standoff

"Ok, we're gonna go forward with the plan, with the burn ... like we talked about."

"Seven burners deployed and we have a fire."

"Copy. Seven burners deployed and we have a fire."

These purported police commands come from 5 minutes and 17 seconds of audio allegedly recorded off law enforcement radios during Tuesday’s tense standoff between SWAT officers and suspected serial killer Christopher Dorner.

The audio, posted to YouTube, has fueled speculation that authorities may have purposely started the fire to either kill Dorner or force him to surrender.

On Wednesday, law enforcement sources confirmed to the Los Angeles Times that officers did throw incendiary tear gas canisters into the mountain cabin before it caught fire. According to the Times:

Dorner, a disgruntled ex-LAPD officer accused of killing four people in the past week, never emerged from the charred cabin near Big Bear Lake, Calif.

The coroner’s office is studying the remains of a burned body found in the basement, but an anonymous official told The Associated Press that a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license issued to Christopher Dorner, were recovered.

An exact cause of death for the body has not been revealed. On the YouTube audio, an unidentified voice says, “It sounds like one shot fired from inside the residence” about the time a police demolition vehicle was tearing down the cabin’s walls and the house became inflamed.

“We have fire in the front. He might come out the back,” a voice says on the YouTube recording.

"Fire doing quite well. I'm going to let it go," a law enforcement officer also said, according to a Yahoo News reporter also monitoring the San Bernardino sheriff’s radio traffic.

A smart move, S.W.A.T. Magazine editor Denny Hansen told Yahoo News.

“You really can’t send firemen up there if the subject is still alive and may shoot them,” said Hansen, himself a former tactical officer. “They may have believed that he started the fire as a diversionary tactic to escape.”

Veteran police consultant Chuck Drago told Yahoo News that he interprets the officers’ discussion of “burners” to be the tear gas canisters that were used.

“They are not meant to cause fire, but they can,” he said. “Sometimes you have a lot of options at your disposal, and sometimes you're limited.”

With nightfall approaching and Dorner having already vowed to seek revenge by unleashing "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare," Drago said the officers must have decided that a possible blaze was worth the risk to accomplish their mission.

“They had to move pretty quickly in this situation,” he said.

Hansen scoffs at anyone who thinks otherwise.

“I’ve already heard some people say, ‘Well, they burned him alive without a trial,’” Hansen said. “There are always going to be conspiracy theories.”

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/cause-cabin-fire-fuels-debate-christopher-dorner-standoff-222441723.html

It's kinda horrible to think he could have possibly burned alive, not a lot of options though.

And as far as IDs go, wasn't he leaving IDs of various kinds all over the place during the week?

I've heard about that too. Like at some point he had tried to steal a boat, and the LA Times reported that after the authorities interviewed the captain of that boat they found Dorner's wallet and ID cards at the San Ysidro Point of Entry near the U.S.-Mexico border.

I listened to that 'fire' video last night and now the sheriff is saying the fire wasn't intentional. WTF???

Why are they lying about this???

http://www.cbsnews.com/83...ntionally/

Carter Evans, CBS Staff /

CBS News/ February 13, 2013, 7:55 PM

Sheriff: Fire in cabin not set intentionally

....McMahon also told reporters that the fire in the cabin where Christopher Dorner presumably died was not intentionally set by authorities. He said tear gas canisters fired into the cabin apparently set the blaze...............

noimageatall said:

I listened to that 'fire' video last night and now the sheriff is saying the fire wasn't intentional. WTF???

Why are they lying about this???

http://www.cbsnews.com/83...ntionally/

Carter Evans, CBS Staff /

CBS News/ February 13, 2013, 7:55 PM

Sheriff: Fire in cabin not set intentionally

....McMahon also told reporters that the fire in the cabin where Christopher Dorner presumably died was not intentionally set by authorities. He said tear gas canisters fired into the cabin apparently set the blaze...............

It is so embarrassing at this point.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

noimageatall said:

I listened to that 'fire' video last night and now the sheriff is saying the fire wasn't intentional. WTF???

Why are they lying about this???

http://www.cbsnews.com/83...ntionally/

Carter Evans, CBS Staff /

CBS News/ February 13, 2013, 7:55 PM

Sheriff: Fire in cabin not set intentionally

....McMahon also told reporters that the fire in the cabin where Christopher Dorner presumably died was not intentionally set by authorities. He said tear gas canisters fired into the cabin apparently set the blaze...............

It is so embarrassing at this point.

It's more than embarrassing, Richard. Don't they realize by now that social media and the Internet doesn't allow for too many outright lies these days? USAToday has jumped on the accidental fire bandwagon. But the video tells a completely different story. So why lie?

Sheriff: There was no intent to burn cabin to get Dorner

Deputies did not intentionally burn down the Southern California mountain cabin where fugitive Christopher Dorner apparently made his deadly last stand Tuesday, the San Bernardino County sheriff said Wednesday.

"We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," Sheriff John McMahon said at an afternoon news conference.

He said deputies initially fired conventional "cold" tear gas into the cabin in Seven Oaks, near Big Bear Lake, then switched to "pyrotechnic-type" rounds" known as "burners."

Authorities have strong evidence that the man deputies tracked to the vacation cabin looked and behaved like Dorner, he said. And though he still could not "absolutely, positively confirm" that the charred body found inside was Dorner's, the sheriff said the coroner would likely make the determination "soon."

[Edited 2/13/13 18:43pm]

Anderson Cooper is interviewing people who say that the cops meant the tear gas grenandes when they used the word "burner."

noimageatall said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

It is so embarrassing at this point.

It's more than embarrassing, Richard. Don't they realize by now that social media and the Internet doesn't allow for too many outright lies these days? USAToday has jumped on the accidental fire bandwagon. But the video tells a completely different story. So why lie?

Sheriff: There was no intent to burn cabin to get Dorner

http://www.usatoday.com/s...e/1915961/

Donna Leinwand Leger, Chris Woodyard and Michael Winter, USA TODAY9:31p.m. EST February 13, 2013

Deputies did not intentionally burn down the Southern California mountain cabin where fugitive Christopher Dorner apparently made his deadly last stand Tuesday, the San Bernardino County sheriff said Wednesday.

"We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," Sheriff John McMahon said at an afternoon news conference.

He said deputies initially fired conventional "cold" tear gas into the cabin in Seven Oaks, near Big Bear Lake, then switched to "pyrotechnic-type" rounds" known as "burners."

Authorities have strong evidence that the man deputies tracked to the vacation cabin looked and behaved like Dorner, he said. And though he still could not "absolutely, positively confirm" that the charred body found inside was Dorner's, the sheriff said the coroner would likely make the determination "soon."

[Edited 2/13/13 18:43pm]

Lemme see...they are unable thus far to identify the charred remains but another report says they found his ID.

In that mess? Alllrighty then.

Like you said April....we'll never know for sure what really happened but people are not buying their story of not intentionally burning the cabin.

noimageatall said:

Anderson Cooper is interviewing people who say that the cops meant the tear gas grenandes when they used the word "burner."

Suuuure...wink, wink.

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I'll say this, that ain't no cabin.

lazycrockett said:

I'll say this, that ain't no cabin.

I know, right?...damn!

I think Big Bear is an area where they rough it in style.

The owner was talking bout hoping the barn hadnt burn down??? That look more like a farm house than a cabin. Cabin's are one room shack with a window if your lucky.

lazycrockett said:

The owner was talking bout hoping the barn hadnt burn down??? That look more like a farm house than a cabin. Cabin's are one room shack with a window if your lucky.

That's what I thought...some honest Abe type crib.

But this is Big Bear, after all.

babynoz said:

noimageatall said:

It's more than embarrassing, Richard. Don't they realize by now that social media and the Internet doesn't allow for too many outright lies these days? USAToday has jumped on the accidental fire bandwagon. But the video tells a completely different story. So why lie?

Sheriff: There was no intent to burn cabin to get Dorner

http://www.usatoday.com/s...e/1915961/

Donna Leinwand Leger, Chris Woodyard and Michael Winter, USA TODAY9:31p.m. EST February 13, 2013

Deputies did not intentionally burn down the Southern California mountain cabin where fugitive Christopher Dorner apparently made his deadly last stand Tuesday, the San Bernardino County sheriff said Wednesday.

"We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," Sheriff John McMahon said at an afternoon news conference.

He said deputies initially fired conventional "cold" tear gas into the cabin in Seven Oaks, near Big Bear Lake, then switched to "pyrotechnic-type" rounds" known as "burners."

Authorities have strong evidence that the man deputies tracked to the vacation cabin looked and behaved like Dorner, he said. And though he still could not "absolutely, positively confirm" that the charred body found inside was Dorner's, the sheriff said the coroner would likely make the determination "soon."

[Edited 2/13/13 18:43pm]

Lemme see...they are unable thus far to identify the charred remains but another report says they found his ID.

In that mess? Alllrighty then.

Like you said April....we'll never know for sure what really happened but people are not buying their story of not intentionally burning the cabin.

Right...I also find it hard to believe this guy just went around leaving IDs all over the place.

One thing I don't understand was that Dorner was hiding out in a cabin directly across the street from where the Sheriffs were having their press conferences. Why didn't they check this cabin?! I heard their excuse was if the cabin did not look like it wasn't broken into, they went on to the next one. They bumbled this, and the death of the deputy during the shootout could have been prevented.

Chris Dorner Identified: Officials Positively ID Charred Remains Of California 'Cop Killer'

If you ask me... I don't think Dorner even killed the 1st two victims.

I think he wrote that manefesto but never only as a threat.

Someone knew about his feelings and killed the people he mentioned/or in association.

The police did this to hide/cover some shit they do not want to come out.

I think Dorner knew too much about something that would have shook up the LAPD.

The hostages said on TV that Dorner didn't kill those people and that all he wanted to do was clear his name.

So the LAPD killed him. he made sure to label him a terrorist before they did.

Now the LAPD are lying about starting a fire and their own way of handling this situation and how they shot at civilians and were trigger happy, doing the whole bait and switch on the reward money claiming it wasn't a "capture" ...

This stinks to high heaven.

We may never know the truth since the truth was gunned down in order to keep silent.

paintedlady said:

If you ask me... I don't think Dorner even killed the 1st two victims.

I think he wrote that manefesto but never only as a threat.

Someone knew about his feelings and killed the people he mentioned/or in association.

The police did this to hide/cover some shit they do not want to come out.

I think Dorner knew too much about something that would have shook up the LAPD.

The hostages said on TV that Dorner didn't kill those people and that all he wanted to do was clear his name.

So the LAPD killed him. he made sure to label him a terrorist before they did.

Now the LAPD are lying about starting a fire and their own way of handling this situation and how they shot at civilians and were trigger happy, doing the whole bait and switch on the reward money claiming it wasn't a "capture" ...

This stinks to high heaven.

We may never know the truth since the truth was gunned down in order to keep silent.

He said he was going to kill the family members of those involved, including the guy who represented him. And that's exactly what he did.

RodeoSchro said:

paintedlady said:

If you ask me... I don't think Dorner even killed the 1st two victims.

I think he wrote that manefesto but never only as a threat.

Someone knew about his feelings and killed the people he mentioned/or in association.

The police did this to hide/cover some shit they do not want to come out.

I think Dorner knew too much about something that would have shook up the LAPD.

The hostages said on TV that Dorner didn't kill those people and that all he wanted to do was clear his name.

So the LAPD killed him. he made sure to label him a terrorist before they did.

Now the LAPD are lying about starting a fire and their own way of handling this situation and how they shot at civilians and were trigger happy, doing the whole bait and switch on the reward money claiming it wasn't a "capture" ...

This stinks to high heaven.

We may never know the truth since the truth was gunned down in order to keep silent.

He said he was going to kill the family members of those involved, including the guy who represented him. And that's exactly what he did.

He surely did...

RodeoSchro said:

paintedlady said:

If you ask me... I don't think Dorner even killed the 1st two victims.

I think he wrote that manefesto but never only as a threat.

Someone knew about his feelings and killed the people he mentioned/or in association.

The police did this to hide/cover some shit they do not want to come out.

I think Dorner knew too much about something that would have shook up the LAPD.

The hostages said on TV that Dorner didn't kill those people and that all he wanted to do was clear his name.

So the LAPD killed him. he made sure to label him a terrorist before they did.

Now the LAPD are lying about starting a fire and their own way of handling this situation and how they shot at civilians and were trigger happy, doing the whole bait and switch on the reward money claiming it wasn't a "capture" ...

This stinks to high heaven.

We may never know the truth since the truth was gunned down in order to keep silent.

He said he was going to kill the family members of those involved, including the guy who represented him. And that's exactly what he did.

No,

he was reported to have killed two people. They got this information from a mannfesto he wrote.

He told his hostages that he didn't kill those people. That he needed to clear his name.

The LAPD told us he killed those people.

Its the LAPD who he had issue with.

We do not know EXACTLY what he did, we only know what the LAPD is telling us.

We do not know the whole truth.

I think that Dorner had PTSD , that he was fired over some BS.

He may have killed those people.

But the trigger happy sheriffs made sure we would not get to the truth.

If it was so open and shut that Dorner was guilty I believe they would have allowed him to go to trial.

They executed him. Dorner had damning stuff to say about the LADP.

He paints a negative picture.

He was angry, and he is not stupid.

If you MUST believe he killed those people, then....

Why was he angry? What happened? What would drive a man to kill like that?

Someone did SOMETHING to him.

Why did the LAPD kill him before he could answer to the families he destroyed?

Now, we will never know.

There was a shot to kill order on former LAPD officer Chris Dorner and anyone who thinks the LAPD or the Sheriff Department had any intentions of wanting to capture him alive are terribly naive. How did that cabin burn down? Were incendiary devices used? Did Dorner set it afire? I don't know. When the Sheriff Dep. spokesperson was asked within minutes of the cabin burning down if they had used firebombs or tear gas, he hemmed and hawed. I think Paintedlady is correct, we should reserve judgement until others have looked into this. As far as those officers shooting up that truck with civilians in it, there was no reason for that mess. Shoot first and ask questions later? LAPD said they've changed, that's a lie, believe me when I tell you this. Chris Dorner may very well be guilty of killing those people in LA, but more questions need to be asked, evidence needs to be gathered, and an investigation has just begun. All the ends need to be examined before we assume what we've been told by authorities up to this point are factual.

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Im not one for conspiracy theories and such, but I will say this the police, who rightfully were angry at Dorner's actions, made a huge mistake by throwing in gas bombs that had the tendency to burn. Throw in the CBS recordings of cops basically saying to "burn that mutherfucking cabin down" the situation was not handled well, could it have been handled better? I don't know.

But I do know that the cops help create one of the best probably most tight conspiracy theories out there one that will only grow and spread as months pass. Giving the history of the LAPD some higher up should have thought a bit more of how their action would feed this conclusion.

[Edited 2/14/13 21:18pm]

paintedlady said:

RodeoSchro said:

He said he was going to kill the family members of those involved, including the guy who represented him. And that's exactly what he did.

No,

he was reported to have killed two people. They got this information from a mannfesto he wrote.

He told his hostages that he didn't kill those people. That he needed to clear his name.

The LAPD told us he killed those people.

Its the LAPD who he had issue with.

We do not know EXACTLY what he did, we only know what the LAPD is telling us.

We do not know the whole truth.

I think that Dorner had PTSD , that he was fired over some BS.

He may have killed those people.

But the trigger happy sheriffs made sure we would not get to the truth.

If it was so open and shut that Dorner was guilty I believe they would have allowed him to go to trial.

They executed him. Dorner had damning stuff to say about the LADP.

He paints a negative picture.

He was angry, and he is not stupid.

If you MUST believe he killed those people, then....

Why was he angry? What happened? What would drive a man to kill like that?

Someone did SOMETHING to him.

Why did the LAPD kill him before he could answer to the families he destroyed?

Now, we will never know.

No. He didn't tell those two hostages he didn't kill those innocent people (not to mention the INNOCENT COPS he killed). He told the hostages he didn't want to kill THEM (the hostages).

He clearly said in his manifesto that he was going to kill family members of those he felt had wronged him.

BTW, Shorty - don't you EVER accuse me of not reading something. Because it's about to be abundantly clear that not only did I read it, but YOU NEVER DID. Either that, or you've got a value system messed up beyond belief.

Here you go. Read these excerpts taken DIRECTLY from his manifesto, and tell me there's any doubt in your mind that he's anything but a cold-blooded murderer:

I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be vilified by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name.

<snip>

The attacks will stop when the department states the truth about my innocence, PUBLICLY!!! (NOTE: This is an admission to the attacks, i.e. the murders of the daughter and fiance, who were COMPLETELY INNOCENT BYSTANDERS - RS)

<snip>

To those children of the officers who are eradicated, your parent was not the individual you thought they were. As you get older,you will see the evidence that your parent was a tyrant who loss their ethos and instead followed the path of moral corruptness. They conspired to hide and suppress the truth of misconduct on others behalf’s. (NOTE: He is justifying his killing of cops. He said earlier in his manifesto that "No one wants to grow up to be a cop killer" but he sure seemed to be looking forward to it when he wrote this manifesto - RS).

<snip>

I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours. XXXX, XXXX, XXXX (names redacted), and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead. (NOTE: Here he is, telling us that he is going to kill the children of people he doesn't like - which is exactly what he did - RS)

<snip>

They (LAPD) created the situation. I will harm no outside agency unless it is a deadly force/IDOL situation. (NOTE: Well, is this PIECE OF SHIT a nice guy! He'll kill cops, and he'll kill the children of cops, but he won't harm anyone from an outside agency. Personally, I hope every single cop pissed on his charred, smoldering body. FUCK THIS PIECE OF SHIT - RS)

<snip>

Unfortunately, are you aware that I obtained class III weapons (suppressors) without a background check thru NICS or DROS completely LEGALLY several times? I was able to use a trust account that I created on quicken will maker and a $10 notary charge at a mailbox etc. to obtain them legally. Granted, I am not a felon, nor have a DV misdemeanor conviction or active TRO against me on a NCIC file. I can buy any firearm I want, but should I be able to purchase these class III weapons (SBR’s, and suppressors) without a background check and just a $10 notary signature on a quicken will maker program? The answer is NO. I’m not even a resident of the state i purchased them in. Lock n Load just wanted money so they allow you to purchase class III weapons with just a notarized trust, military ID. Shame on you, Lock n Load. NFA and ATF need new laws and policies that do not allow loopholes such as this. In the end, I hope that you will realize that the small arms I utilize should not be accessed with the ease that I obtained them. Who in there right mind needs a (expletive) silencer!!! who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!! (NOTE: An in an ironic twist of fate, the guy is for an assault weapons ban. "Hey, I shouldn't have been able to buy these weapons but I did and now I'm going to use them to kill cops and their kids. But it's YOUR fault for letting me buy these weapons! - RS)

<snip>

To my friends listed below, I wish we could have grown old together and spent more time together. When you reminisce of our friendship and experiences, think of that and that only. Do not dwell on my recent actions the last few days. This was a necessary evil that had to be executed in order for me to obtain my NAME back. The only thing that changes policy and garners attention is death. (NOTE: Again, this PIECE OF SHIT admits he's killed innocent people. That's the way to get his fucking name back?!? Really? FUCK HIM. I hope the cops pissed on his body AND SHIT ON IT TOO. - RS)

<snip>

Wayne LaPierre, President of the NRA, you’re a vile and inhumane piece of (expletive). You never even showed 30 seconds of empathy for the children, teachers, and families of Sandy Hook. (NOTE: WHAT THE FUCK?!? A guy who has already killed two innocent people, and says he's going to kill more, is upset over Sandy Hook? Gee, Shorty - you really know how to pick your heroes - RS)

http://ktla.com/2013/02/1...z2KwOSzRAR

I don't want ANYONE to tell me I haven't read this PIECE OF SHIT'S manifesto. And after reading it (or these excerpts) and if any of you think this PIECE OF SHIT is anything other than a PIECE OF SHIT, then I want nothing ever to with you again.

EVER.