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Do You Think Vitamin Supplements Are Beneficial?
I used to take lots of vitamins because of the benefits the "experts" said they have. However, when I don't take them, I really don't feel any different. As a matter of fact, I dare to say I feel better when I don't take them. We go to the health food stores and isle after isle, the shelves are just filled with all kinds of vitamins and supplements that make all kinds of claims of curing this and preventing that. It's just all really overwhelming.
So do you think vitamin supplements are beneficial or do you think it's all a bunch of hype and people are getting rich off of it? "It's not nice to fuck with K.B.! All you haters will see!" - Kitbradley
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I've heard them described as "the world's most expensive pee"
I take a multi but I have no idea if it makes any difference My Legacy
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I think it's best that you get your vitamins from the food you eat and vitamins are second best. However, I have a Vitamin D deficiency and I can't my Vit D from sunlight so those pills are a big help. | |
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My doctor actually made the suggestion that I take them. This was after a blood test showed my vitamin D was low. Don't hate me 'cause I'm NOT beautiful | |
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Yeah, if we ate a tablefull of raw organic veggies every day like apes do then maybe we wouldn't need supplements. But I like Pringles & chicken nuggets too much!
And Vitamin D is one of those things that depends on where we live (sun exposure), I think. Some folks will need supplements My Legacy
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I take a daily multi from GNC
I think it's good. By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory! | |
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But, when you go to the health food store and see a supplments like Witches Claw or Devil's Claw "It's not nice to fuck with K.B.! All you haters will see!" - Kitbradley
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, or when you see dozens among dozens of multi-vitamins being targeted to very specific groups of people and they all claim to do different things, don't you feel like a lot of that stuff is just put on the market to make money?| Ex-Moderator |
That's almost exactly what I was going to post. It's best to get our vitamins from food not supplements and if we're eating a varied diet with 5 servings of veggies and a couple of fruit per day we're probably getting what we need.
However, if you've got a known deficiency they can make a world of difference. The key is to be tested. |
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For those vegetarians with B12 deficiency, I guess so. I would be less worried about the others.
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Vitamin supplements are beneficial in addition to eating healthy. If a person does not eat healthy taking a vitamin supplement will not help that much. I take multi vitamins and eat healthy. Eating 4 servings of fruits, 3 of vegetables or more daily will provide a person all the vitamins they need. Some people need to take supplements and others do not. Everyone is different, especially if they have a health condition. | |
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I personally find them beneficial.
I started working out and body building last summer and so i started taking Multi-Vitamins and B-12.
B-12 is great for energy it keeps up and working for hours so i love it, i tried other vitamins and i felt some didn't do a damn thing for me.
But B-12 and Multi-Vitamins for sure. Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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Three of my meds make me sensitive to sunlight so that's out. | |
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plus there are some places that just don't get as much sun, so people will need supplements. I think like you say, supplements are second best (and maybe necessary) if you can't get it naturally.
The way we live, we are not really in harmony with nature anymore, so most of us probably need help. Actually, though, when you think about it we live a long time compared to a couple hundred years ago despite our bad habits, so maybe that's partly due to supplements & medication? My Legacy
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I was on a weekly Vitamin D pill of 50,000IU...which sounds like ALOT but I was really, really low on vitamin D and it added to my depression & overall lethargy for a while there. By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory! | |
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lord knows you get your share of fish oil My Legacy
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Oh god, me too. I felt a million times better after. | |
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That's all about GIVING my friend...
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Those blues are horrible. By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory! | |
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Oh yeah. Between that and exercising...it's a whole new outlook.
interesting My Legacy
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In the reading I’ve done I’ve found scant evidence that taking general supplements does much good. If you have a deficiency, then supplementation is the route to go for sure. I’m a new-ish vegetarian and I take a B12 supplement, something that’s advised to all people with a similar diet, I believe. However, most of what I’ve read has indicated that you could take the vitamin aisle from every store in the world and dump it in the ocean and almost no one would be worse off for it - except for the ocean pollution.
It’s also possible that there may be negative outcomes associated with vitamin usage. There have been several recent studies that have indicated increased rates of mortality for certain vitamins. There could be a sick-user effect in play with such numbers, of course, but I think that should at least dampen the notion that vitamins are a harmless means of topping up for any shortcomings your diet might have.
From page 154-5 of Denialism by Michael Spector:
In 2009, researchers from the Women’s Health Initiative...concluded a fifteen year study that focused on strategies for preventing heart disease, various cancers and bone fractures in postmenopausal women. After following 161,808 women for eight years, the team found no evidence of any benefit from multivitamin use in any of the ten conditions they examined. There were no differences in the rate of breast or colon cancer, heart attack, stroke, or blood clots. Most important, perhaps, vitamins did nothing to lower the death rate.
Another recent study, this time involving eleven thousand people, produced similar results. In 2008, another major trial of men had shown that the risk for developing advanced prostate cancer and of dying from it was in some cases actually twice as high for people who took a daily multivitamin as it was for those who never took them at all. There are hundreds of studies to demonstrate that people who exercise regularly reduce their risk of coronary artery disease by about 40 percent, as well as their risk of stroke, hypertension and diabetes, also by significant amounts. Studies of vitamin supplements have never produced any similar outcome.
While a diet rich in antioxidants has been associated with lower rates of chronic disease, those associations have never been reflected in trials in which people took antioxidants in supplement form. In 2007 the Journal of the American Medical Association published the results of the most exhaustive review yet of such supplements. After examining sixty-eight trials that had been conducted during the previous seventeen years, researchers found that the 180,000 participants received no benefits whatsoever. In fact, vitamin A and vitamin E, each immensely popular, actually increased the likelihood of death by 5 percent. Vitamin C and selenium had no significant impact on mortality.
“The harmful effects of antioxidant supplements are not confined to vitamin A,” said the review’s coauthor, Christian Gluud. “Our analyses also demonstrate rather convincingly that beta-carotene and vitamin E lead to increased mortality compared to placebo”
From page 105-107 of Bad Science by Ben Goldacre:
Two large trials of antioxidants were set up...One was in Finland, where 30,000 participants at high risk of lung cancer were recruited, and randomized to receive beta-carotene, vitamin E, or both or neither. Not only were there more lung cancers among the people receiving the supposedly protective beta-carotene supplements, compared with placebo, but this vitamin group also had more deaths overall, from both lung cancer and heart disease.
The results of the other trial were almost worse...Two groups of people at high risk of lung cancer were studied. Half were given beta-carotene and vitamin A, while the other half got placebo. 18000 participants were due to be recruited throughout its course, and the intention was that they would be followed up for an average of six years; but in fact, the trial was terminated early, because it was considered unethical to continue it. Why? The people having the antioxidant tablets were 46% more likely to die from lung cancer, and 17% more likely to die of any cause, than the people taking the placebo pills.
Since then the placebo-controlled trial data on antioxidant vitamin supplements has continued to give negative results, The most up-to-date Cochrane reviews of the literature pool...show that antioxidant supplements are either ineffective or perhaps even actively harmful. ... Most recently, a Cochrane review looked at the number of deaths, from any cause, in all the placebo-controlled randomized trials on antioxidants that have ever been performed, describing the experiences of 230,000 people in total. This showed overall that, antioxidant vitamin pills do not reduce deaths, and in fact they may increase your chance of dying. [Edited 1/14/13 14:26pm] | |
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Some are very good for you, and some are very bad for you. I totally agree with Dalia11 and Damosuzuki here. There´s no use in taking them if you don´t eat healthy to begin with. But yeah, I do believe they can be beneficial sometimes. I used to have very serious deficiencies when I was younger, still have them from time to time, depending on my diet and stress and other factors. And of course it depends on what kind of supplements you use. The same stuff that´s good for you can be bad for you if you take some low quality product. Especially magnesium and calcium can be bad for you. I only use a certain kind of magnesium supplement, and I stay away from calcium supplements because they are proven to be bad for your heart.
I use zinc ( the good kind, and I make sure I use a certain brand of a certain quality), 50 mg a day.
Occasional protein shakes ( most of them come with a bunch of b-vitamins, which I´m not too fond of)
I use magnesium (citrate).
And I don´t use those supplements that use tons of chalk as a binding agent or filler. You can´t be cheap when it comes to your health.
I also use fish oil and flax seed, although not continuously. I cycle it every now and then.
And b-vitamins, but not very often and not longterm.
Like Damosuzuki said, some can be very bad for you and what was considered beneficial yesterday can be a hazard to your health today ( like beta-carotene, and calcium...especially for women who take it because they want to fight osteoporosis...be careful.....it can be bad for your arteries). I only use natural beta-carotene ( carrot juice, but not daily like I used to ). " I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?" | |
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Just if blood tests show you have deficiencies, otherwise eat properly motherfuckers!!!! I'm the mistake you wanna make | |
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Vitamin supplements are beneficial. | |
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With our hectic schedules, there is not always time to have a healthy meal. Even if we did have the time, the foods we eat do not give us enough of the nutrients we need to function, this is the main reason for supplements. Case in point, vitamin d3, is something that our bodies need in order for cell and hormone function however, our bodies do not make it. Yes, we can get it from the sun, but in order to get the proper amount, we would have to spend allot of time out in it, which can cause other problems. Also, there is very little sun in the winter months, so taking it is essential. I personally take a multi vitamin, along with vitamin D3 and fish oil. I have been doing it for about a year now, and I feel great... "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" |
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I use Fish Oil as well Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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i like it.
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I started to take Salmon Oil Pills bout 2 years ago and my joints have improved immensely. The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything. |
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I have to take iron supplements at the very least. It help keep my behind out of the hospital. I think the biggest problem is knowing what you need, everybody don't need everything. | |
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Vitamin supplements were originally designed for the world's poor people.
It normally means expensive pee. However, do remember most claims made by manufactures of supplements are not fact nor proven to be true. In fact, too much Vitamin D can kill off organs in the body. Yes, you can overdose on certain vitamins.
I take 1 multi-vitamin.
Side bar: Although, I would think that acetaminophen (tylenol) is probably the most common overdosed drug. I think 2,000mg daily is the max for most healthy adults. 99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment |
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kewlschool said: Vitamin supplements were originally designed for the world's poor people.
It normally means expensive pee. However, do remember most claims made by manufactures of supplements are not fact nor proven to be true. In fact, too much Vitamin D can kill off organs in the body. Yes, you can overdose on certain vitamins.
I take 1 multi-vitamin.
Side bar: Although, I would think that acetaminophen (tylenol) is probably the most common overdosed drug. I think 2,000mg daily is the max for most healthy adults. Yikes! I take 2 at a time (500mg each) but then again probably not more than once in a day  and that's rarely at the most.I'm the mistake you wanna make | |
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