Stymie said:

Genesia said:

So if I'm trying to scare someone by pretending to mug them and I pull a toy gun, I'm not responsible if they die of a heart attack, thinking the gun is real? Because...ya know...it's just a prank?

Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

Exactly.

Let's just tell the truth.

1. People who do this type of shit are complete assholes.

2. People who laugh at the humilaition of others are assholes, too.

Thank you.

free2bfreeda said:

you don't mess with the royals (in any way) and live to talk about it. remember all the hush hush, cloaked rumours surrounding Princess Diana's death.

you just be warned, don't mess with the royals.

Is this about the green lizards from the house of draco stuff?

Genesia said:

alexzander said:

It was a joke. The dj's arent responsible for what happened to this woman.

So if I'm trying to scare someone by pretending to mug them and I pull a toy gun, I'm not responsible if they die of a heart attack, thinking the gun is real? Because...ya know...it's just a prank?

Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

the difference is foreseeability. It was no foreseeable that the call would lead to a suicide.

someone having a heart attack from being scares is foreseeable. Huge difference.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Genesia said:

So if I'm trying to scare someone by pretending to mug them and I pull a toy gun, I'm not responsible if they die of a heart attack, thinking the gun is real? Because...ya know...it's just a prank?

Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

the difference is foreseeability. It was no foreseeable that the call would lead to a suicide.

someone having a heart attack from being scares is foreseeable. Huge difference.

Because no one's ever killed themselves after being humiliated? Riiiiiiiight.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Genesia said:

So if I'm trying to scare someone by pretending to mug them and I pull a toy gun, I'm not responsible if they die of a heart attack, thinking the gun is real? Because...ya know...it's just a prank?

Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

the difference is foreseeability. It was no foreseeable that the call would lead to a suicide.

someone having a heart attack from being scares is foreseeable. Huge difference.

cause of death has not been determined yet.

free2bfreeda said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the difference is foreseeability. It was no foreseeable that the call would lead to a suicide.

someone having a heart attack from being scares is foreseeable. Huge difference.

cause of death has not been determined yet.

the cause is not at all relevant to what i said. it is not foreseeable that someone would have killed them self or been murdered over something like this. Gotten sacked.... sure. But not dead.

As i said in the first reply (and others have also said) something else was going on with her.

Genesia said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the difference is foreseeability. It was no foreseeable that the call would lead to a suicide.

someone having a heart attack from being scares is foreseeable. Huge difference.

Because no one's ever killed themselves after being humiliated? Riiiiiiiight.

not often enough for it to be foreseeable response.

and i do not see the prank as being particularity humiliating... certainly not on the level of some of the cases of long term bulling. Are we also going to blame the media that reported the prank call? I am sure they hounded her.

and thankfully she did not harm the kids. but i put no legal or civil blame on the radio people.

[Edited 12/7/12 10:53am]

That's why pranking people is not really cool. I think the majority of us would have brushed the prank off and went on our way but you have people who internalize and process these type of events differently .

banks said:

That's why pranking people is not really cool. I think the majority of us would have brushed the prank off and went on our way but you have people who internalize and process these type of events differently .

It's unfortunate that we can't charge people with "general assholery."

Genesia said:

banks said:

That's why pranking people is not really cool. I think the majority of us would have brushed the prank off and went on our way but you have people who internalize and process these type of events differently .

It's unfortunate that we can't charge people with "general assholery."

i think you REALLY mean thankfully... but if not it is not worth arguing over.

Not being able to charge people for crimes for jokes or whatever is not the same as not being able to hold them accountable. I suspect they will lose their jobs over this.

Genesia said:

banks said:

That's why pranking people is not really cool. I think the majority of us would have brushed the prank off and went on our way but you have people who internalize and process these type of events differently .

It's unfortunate that we can't charge people with "general assholery."

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Genesia said:

It's unfortunate that we can't charge people with "general assholery."

i think you REALLY mean thankfully... but if not it is not worth arguing over.

Not being able to charge people for crimes for jokes or whatever is not the same as not being able to hold them accountable. I suspect they will lose their jobs over this.

They were already on probation from some foul prank they did on a 14yr old girl with her Mother's consent...

banks said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

i think you REALLY mean thankfully... but if not it is not worth arguing over.

Not being able to charge people for crimes for jokes or whatever is not the same as not being able to hold them accountable. I suspect they will lose their jobs over this.

They were already on probation from some foul prank they did on a 14yr old girl with her Mother's consent...

yeah they seem pretty slimy (they asked the girl who the mom KNEW had been raped if she had ever had sex, after the tells them she was raped the asked her again if she had sex other than that.)

the mom was a twit too! I would not let my child be given a lie detector for any reason much less some slime ball radio.

Australian DJs
We're SUSPENDING OURSELVES
Due to Suicide

EXCLUSIVE

The two Australian DJs behind the Kate Middleton hospital prank that led to the suicide of a nurse have decided to REMOVE themselves from the airwaves.

Southern Cross Austereo, the company that owns the station, has released a statement ... saying, "SCA and 2Day FM are deeply saddened by the tragic news of the death of nurse Jacintha Saldanha from King Edward VII’s Hospital."

SCA says the CEO has spoken with both of the DJs ... who are both "deeply shocked" over the tragedy.

The company adds, "SCA and the hosts have decided that they will not return to their radio show until further notice out of respect for what can only be described as a tragedy."

Interesting that SCA did NOT pull the DJs off the air immediately following the prank ... but instead waited until the backlash after Saldanha's suicide.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2EOdzYx1o

Genesia said:

banks said:

That's why pranking people is not really cool. I think the majority of us would have brushed the prank off and went on our way but you have people who internalize and process these type of events differently .

It's unfortunate that we can't charge people with "general assholery."

Really? You? With as many times as you've been accused of being a general asshole, you want to ecnourage this sort of Orwellian shit? GTFO.

On the one hand, the DJs are plainly busy bodies. On the other hand, perhaps hindsight allows us to too easily scapegoat them. Who'd honestly be calling for their heads if all parties involved -- the royals, the hospital staff, Ms. Saldanha, the radio station management, etc. -- sloughed this off and agreed this was a darned funny and well executed joke? Instead, we'd likely be celebrating them.

We all do stuff everyday -- sometimes in jest, sometimes on purpose, sometimes maliciously, sometimes in an utterly benign spirit -- the disproportionate outcome of which we could hardly predict. To what extent are we willing to universalize culpability for the rarest, extreme reactions?

[Edited 12/7/12 11:49am]

Spinlight said:

Genesia said:

It's unfortunate that we can't charge people with "general assholery."

Really? You? With as many times as you've been accused of being a general asshole, you want to ecnourage this sort of Orwellian shit? GTFO.

Ever hear of hyperbole?

Lammastide said:

On the one hand, the DJs are plainly assholes. On the other hand, perhaps hindsight allows us to too easily scapegoat them. Who'd honestly be calling for their heads if all parties involved -- the royals, the hospital staff, Ms. Saldanha, the radio station management, etc. -- sloughed this off and agreed this was a darned funny and well executed joke?

We all do stuff everyday -- sometimes in jest, sometimes on purpose, sometimes maliciously, sometimes in an utterly benign spirit -- the disproportionate outcome of which we could hardly predict. To what extent are we willing to universalize culpability for the rarest, extreme reactions?

[Edited 12/7/12 11:47am]

I tend to, especially lately, think of what the consequences of my actions will be before I act. This is in what I say hear online and what I say in real life.

Now, this poor woman may have been teetering on the brink for a long time over something not related to this and this was just it for her. We never know what people are going through so I would like to think we can act with simple common decency.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Genesia said:

Because no one's ever killed themselves after being humiliated? Riiiiiiiight.

not often enough for it to be foreseeable response.

and i do not see the prank as being particularity humiliating... certainly not on the level of some of the cases of long term bulling. Are we also going to blame the media that reported the prank call? I am sure they hounded her.

and thankfully she did not harm the kids. but i put no legal or civil blame on the radio people.

[Edited 12/7/12 10:53am]

This nurse was humiliated world wide and could never be anonymous anymore, ever!

She, and her relatives, think about her kids getting bullied because of what their mom did, would never been able to have a normal life again.

And for any normal person, it is extremely stressful to suddenly become a world wide famous joke.

The radio DJ´s were very aware of the high profile of the UK royalty, otherwise, they would not have bothered.

They delibiretely tried to gain popularity at the cost of this poor woman.

First of all, I think their true colours show because they try to defend themselves, in stead of mourn and be truly ashamed.

And their defense does not hold, because they should have made themselves known when they got put through. They could have stopped themselves. And they were not obliged to broadcast it over and over and put in on the internet.

[Edited 12/7/12 12:05pm]

Stymie said:

Lammastide said:

On the one hand, the DJs are plainly assholes. On the other hand, perhaps hindsight allows us to too easily scapegoat them. Who'd honestly be calling for their heads if all parties involved -- the royals, the hospital staff, Ms. Saldanha, the radio station management, etc. -- sloughed this off and agreed this was a darned funny and well executed joke?

We all do stuff everyday -- sometimes in jest, sometimes on purpose, sometimes maliciously, sometimes in an utterly benign spirit -- the disproportionate outcome of which we could hardly predict. To what extent are we willing to universalize culpability for the rarest, extreme reactions?

[Edited 12/7/12 11:47am]

I tend to, especially lately, think of what the consequences of my actions will be before I act. This is in what I say hear online and what I say in real life.

Now, this poor woman may have been teetering on the brink for a long time over something not related to this and this was just it for her. We never know what people are going through so I would like to think we can act with simple common decency.

I admire your position... and I'd like to think I behave likewise. But, Ivy, have you never been shocked at a totally out-of-the-pocket reaction to something you've said or done? I've seen you say entirely reasonable things on this site, for example, only to have some bozo completely understand or overreact.

Stymie said:

Lammastide said:

On the one hand, the DJs are plainly assholes. On the other hand, perhaps hindsight allows us to too easily scapegoat them. Who'd honestly be calling for their heads if all parties involved -- the royals, the hospital staff, Ms. Saldanha, the radio station management, etc. -- sloughed this off and agreed this was a darned funny and well executed joke?

We all do stuff everyday -- sometimes in jest, sometimes on purpose, sometimes maliciously, sometimes in an utterly benign spirit -- the disproportionate outcome of which we could hardly predict. To what extent are we willing to universalize culpability for the rarest, extreme reactions?

[Edited 12/7/12 11:47am]

I tend to, especially lately, think of what the consequences of my actions will be before I act. This is in what I say hear online and what I say in real life.

Now, this poor woman may have been teetering on the brink for a long time over something not related to this and this was just it for her. We never know what people are going through so I would like to think we can act with simple common decency.

Exactly.

Unless these two radio DJ's are psychotic or retarded, they could have foreseen this would become world wide news and that the nurse would be the victim.

If I were the family of this woman, I would take them court and not just hold them morally accountable.

They knew they were throwing this nurse to the lions all over the world. And I think they should be hold accountable for that.

dJJ said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

not often enough for it to be foreseeable response.

and i do not see the prank as being particularity humiliating... certainly not on the level of some of the cases of long term bulling. Are we also going to blame the media that reported the prank call? I am sure they hounded her.

and thankfully she did not harm the kids. but i put no legal or civil blame on the radio people.

This nurse was humiliated world wide and could never be anonymous anymore, ever!

She, and her relatives, think about her kids getting bullied because of what their mom did, would never been able to have a normal life again.

And for any normal person, it is very destablizing to suddenly become a world wide famous joke.

The radio DJ´s were very aware of the high profile of the UK royalty, otherwise, they would not have bothered.

They delibiretely tried to gain popularity at the cost of this poor woman.

First of all, I think their true colours show because they try to defend themselves, in stead of mourn and be truly ashamed.

And their defense does not hold, because they should have made themselves known when they got put through. They could have stopped themselves. And they were not obliged to broadcast it over and over and put in on the internet.

They didn't just broadcast it, they bragged about what they had done - reveling in their humiliation of these women.

Genesia said:

I hope her death haunts those radio station boneheads for the rest of their lives. Fuckwits.

I doubt they have a conscious. They probably will only be sad that they didn't get as much love as they thought they would get, by humiliating the woman.

Genesia said:

dJJ said:

This nurse was humiliated world wide and could never be anonymous anymore, ever!

She, and her relatives, think about her kids getting bullied because of what their mom did, would never been able to have a normal life again.

And for any normal person, it is very destablizing to suddenly become a world wide famous joke.

The radio DJ´s were very aware of the high profile of the UK royalty, otherwise, they would not have bothered.

They delibiretely tried to gain popularity at the cost of this poor woman.

First of all, I think their true colours show because they try to defend themselves, in stead of mourn and be truly ashamed.

And their defense does not hold, because they should have made themselves known when they got put through. They could have stopped themselves. And they were not obliged to broadcast it over and over and put in on the internet.

They didn't just broadcast it, they bragged about what they had done - reveling in their humiliation of these women.

Horrific people.

I really do hope they will have to go to court for this. Because there is a clear causal relationship between her death and them humiliating and making it world wide known.

Lammastide said:

Stymie said:

I tend to, especially lately, think of what the consequences of my actions will be before I act. This is in what I say hear online and what I say in real life.

Now, this poor woman may have been teetering on the brink for a long time over something not related to this and this was just it for her. We never know what people are going through so I would like to think we can act with simple common decency.

I admire your position... and I'd like to think I behave likewise. But, Ivy, have you never been shocked at a totally out-of-the-pocket reaction to something you've said or done? I've seen you say entirely reasonable things on this site, for example, only to have some bozo completely understand or overreact.

And when that bozo does react, and hurts himself, then don't be surprised to be held accountable for it.

Because obviously, you deliberately used your words as a weapon in order to elicit a reaction in the other. And not for the good of the other.

Lammastide said:

Stymie said:

I tend to, especially lately, think of what the consequences of my actions will be before I act. This is in what I say hear online and what I say in real life.

Now, this poor woman may have been teetering on the brink for a long time over something not related to this and this was just it for her. We never know what people are going through so I would like to think we can act with simple common decency.

I admire your position... and I'd like to think I behave likewise. But, Ivy, have you never been shocked at a totally out-of-the-pocket reaction to something you've said or done? I've seen you say entirely reasonable things on this site, for example, only to have some bozo completely understand or overreact.

Oh, is that what you meant? And yes, I have seen that.

However, these people did this on purpose. Of course, they could not have known what she would do but I doubt they gave it a second thought. At the very least, she young lady probably would have lost her job. I doubt they gave a fuck about that either.

banks said:

iaminparties said:

Radio personalities are a cruel bunch.I knew DJ star from Hot 97 Star and buc wild show.

I hated those guys

They mocked Aaliyah airplane crash.

dJJ said:

In fact I cited this precisely because Ivy, in my example, isnt using her words as a weapon or for anything other than what I see as the greater good. And she's somehow "at fault" for a response most reasonable people would recognize as undue?

Suppose I killed myself because I felt you are attacking me in a worldwide forum right now. How much consequence are you prepared to take on?
[b][Edited 12/8/12 17:05pm]

Well, now that the joke is on the DJ's, getting exposed with the consequences of their deeds, world wide, I wonder how they feel. Do they still think somebody should 'just get over it' when exposed like that?

So, the only good thing of this horrible chain of events is, that the radio DJ's get a taste of their own joke now.

Lammastide said:

dJJ said:

And when that bozo does react, and hurts himself, then don't be surprised to be held accountable for it.

Because obviously, you deliberately used your words as a weapon in order to elicit a reaction in the other. And not for the good of the other.[B]

In fact I cited this precisely because Ivy, in my example, isnt using her words as a weapon or for anything other than what I see as the greater good. And she's somehow "at fault" for a response most reasonable people would recognize as undue? Suppose I killed myself because I felt you are attacking me in a worldwide forum right now. How much consequence are you prepared to take on? [b][Edited 12/7/12 12:26pm]

If you would have killed yourself because of my prior post, I will not take any responsibility for it. I find it a very tasteless statement by the way.

1. I am not attacking you. I'm having a discussion with you. Exchanging arguments is very different from deliberately teasing somebody.

2. And this is a forum, where we both post and have agreed with the forum rules.

3. I'm not pretending to be somebody else in order to prank you.

4. I'm not exposing the other to a broad audiance without consent of you.

5. I can only speak for myself, I am very careful with choosing my words over here. And the very few times I thought I was out of line, I have apologized via an orgnote.

And I did not read it right, indeed. I now understand you were quoting.

Eventhough, it is possible to hurt somebody with words. However, I do try to be very aware of my own words. And up to now, I don't think I have ever been reported to a moderator on this site.

[Edited 12/7/12 12:41pm]