I had a conversation with my Dad the other night about this subject and basically he said that it was a fucked up world because of feminism and womans rights during the sixties - burning of bras etc, etc..

He is not biased really he brought my sister and myself up to stand for our rights believe in ourselves, voice our own opinions and be strong independant women..however, his views between my sister and I and our 2 brothers are completely different.

He encourages (no that is not the word) but it is Ok for men to go out and sow their seeds...basically fuck around and have a good time, but be careful and safe, but for us girls...we cant..His motto once.."Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll, you can do any, as long as it isnt Sex!"

Us girls are independant more so than our bros, I should suspect, but where did equality start and where has it ended up?

I do not believe in being tied to the kitchen sink while my man earns a living...I do for myself. I do like a door held open for me when appropraite, but I would do that also myself for a man or a woman.

I will go dutch in a restauratnt or order a round of drinks in, I do not rely on a man for that.

In the UK, it is quite rare for a man to buy you a drink unless he wants sex...in the US I experienced men were offended if I refused a drink from them, they wanted to but me a drink, cos they wanted to buy me a drink..end of story, nothing else, so I learned alot.

Is equality stronger in the UK and in the US it is a bit behind...?

There are many other issues I could bring up...women in the same position in their careers as men but being paid less.

What my Dad says is during the 60's women wanted equality..but it is us in the 2000's who have to live with it??? Do we really want to?

Would you rather be treated like a woman or a dudette?

Does respect from the opposite sex come into it at all? Or do you not care and just do your own thing?

I can understand men being confused cos in the 90's it was the NEW MAN era, but I would rather my man be strong...doesnt mean I have to be weak..


Shit it is all fucked up and confusing, but where do you draw the line and what are your opinions/experiences of this???

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[This message was edited Tue Mar 4 12:05:00 PST 2003 by JaneyPoos]

JaneyPoos said:

Edited???

Well...as a woman your choices have expanded in this modern era. You don't have to be a housewife if you don't want to. The backlash, I think, is from those of us (men and women) who still prefer the "old-fashioned" lifestyle where we have the classical roles--man as protector and provider, woman as nurturer and manager. For a while there, it seemed as if the feminists would look down their noses at us--as if it were wrong to pick this lifestyle, when in fact it's just another option.

Post-feminism, we now have women with more of an equal status under the law and in business, but we're getting past the need for them to have a penis or set their undergarments on fire.