jone70 said:

According to the press release you can get to from the homepage of nyc.gov:

Earlier today, the New York City Board of Health passed the Administration’s proposal to limit the size of sugary beverages sold in food service establishments to 16 ounces in order to combat the growing obesity epidemic that is taking the lives of 6,000 New Yorkers every year.

...

The Administration first proposed the new regulation in May to combat the growing obesity epidemic.

"The Administration" referring to the Bloomberg administration.

By the way, the press release also says,

The regulation will apply to any food service establishment that is regulated by the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene: restaurants, mobile food carts, delis and concessions at movie theaters, stadiums and arenas.

So in short, NO NEW YORK RESIDENT called for this. Like I thought. It's all Bloomberg, man.

Genesia said:

CarrieMpls said:

According to the article, the ban doesn't include diet sodas.

But why not? The acid in those will rot your teeth. And a lot of people react to non-caloric sweeteners (like aspartame) as if they were sugar.

That's what is so ridiculous about this. It's not based on science or reason. They're simply doing it because they can. And the sheeple just go along with it.

Pretty soon, we'll have the Dietary Stasi all over the damn place.

The list is so long on the do's and don't. I know that artificle sweetners do me badly if I consume a lot of it, but I consider getting the soda it's a little treat for me since I don't eat anything else there since whatever they pop the popcorn in upsets my stomach, and it supports the theatre a little, I like my little theatre I don't want them to shut it down like so many others.

jone70 said:

According to the press release you can get to from the homepage of nyc.gov:

Earlier today, the New York City Board of Health passed the Administration’s proposal to limit the size of sugary beverages sold in food service establishments to 16 ounces in order to combat the growing obesity epidemic that is taking the lives of 6,000 New Yorkers every year.

...

The Administration first proposed the new regulation in May to combat the growing obesity epidemic.

"The Administration" referring to the Bloomberg administration.

By the way, the press release also says,

The regulation will apply to any food service establishment that is regulated by the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene: restaurants, mobile food carts, delis and concessions at movie theaters, stadiums and arenas.

food service? really?

then they aren't serious. when i was drinking soda, i wouldn't buy it from a movie theater because it costs too much and you can get way more from a store or convenience store for way less.

someone didn't think this out.

Timmy84 said:

Genesia said:

Too few people understand that "a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government strong enough to take everything you have."

When they showed that video at the Democratic convention that said, "the government is the only thing we all belong to" a chill ran through me. We do not "belong to the government." The government belongs to us.

That's what I don't understand. Why do we need to increase our government anyways?

We don't. We need to make it smaller.

Stymie said:

jone70 said:

According to the press release you can get to from the homepage of nyc.gov:

food service? really?

then they aren't serious. when i was drinking soda, i wouldn't buy it from a movie theater because it costs too much and you can get way more from a store or convenience store for way less.

someone didn't think this out.

Well it IS the Bloomberg administration. Since when have they thought?

Genesia said:

Timmy84 said:

That's what I don't understand. Why do we need to increase our government anyways?

We don't. We need to make it smaller.

Timmy84 said:

Stymie said:

food service? really?

then they aren't serious. when i was drinking soda, i wouldn't buy it from a movie theater because it costs too much and you can get way more from a store or convenience store for way less.

someone didn't think this out.

Well it IS the Bloomberg administration. Since when have they thought?

Oh yeah.

Timmy84 said:

Genesia said:

We don't. We need to make it smaller.

We need to take away Uncle Sucker's Big Gulp. (<-- See what I did there?)

What I don't get is why people aren't deeply offended that their government thinks they are too stupid to conduct their lives as they see fit. Or that they don't understand how idiotic it is to think a government can change human nature - or that human beings are perfectible. That is just the height of folly.

Genesia said:

Timmy84 said:

We need to take away Uncle Sucker's Big Gulp. (<-- See what I did there?)

What I don't get is why people aren't deeply offended that their government thinks they are too stupid to conduct their lives as they see fit. Or that they don't understand how idiotic it is to think a government can change human nature - or that human beings are perfectible. That is just the height of folly.

I tihnk you give people of this country, as a whole, too much credit.

err I need more than 16 oz of pop when I eat spicy KFC, or is that outlawed in NYC too?

This is all smoke and mirrors to divert attention from a multitude of sin.

Once again, instead of regulating large corporations, legislate the individual.

Stop allowing huge food processing/ food growing conglomerates to dump fake additives into foods.

Yes, process foods need some additives, like preservatives for example, but PINK SLIME???

Individuals are responsible for their own choices. Government is responsible for insuring that entities, like private and public corporations, operate in a safe, ETHICAL manner.

Nothinbutjoy said:

This is all smoke and mirrors to divert attention from a multitude of sin.

Once again, instead of regulating large corporations, legislate the individual.

Stop allowing huge food processing/ food growing conglomerates to dump fake additives into foods.

Yes, process foods need some additives, like preservatives for example, but PINK SLIME???

Individuals are responsible for their own choices. Government is responsible for insuring that entities, like private and public corporations, operate in a safe, ETHICAL manner.

Stymie said:

Genesia said:

We need to take away Uncle Sucker's Big Gulp. (<-- See what I did there?)

What I don't get is why people aren't deeply offended that their government thinks they are too stupid to conduct their lives as they see fit. Or that they don't understand how idiotic it is to think a government can change human nature - or that human beings are perfectible. That is just the height of folly.

I tihnk you give people of this country, as a whole, too much credit.

I am prepared to live with that, if only because it beats the hell out of thinking your fellow citizens are idiots or monsters - both of which I have been called.

Nothinbutjoy said:

This is all smoke and mirrors to divert attention from a multitude of sin.

Once again, instead of regulating large corporations, legislate the individual.

Stop allowing huge food processing/ food growing conglomerates to dump fake additives into foods.

Yes, process foods need some additives, like preservatives for example, but PINK SLIME???

Individuals are responsible for their own choices. Government is responsible for insuring that entities, like private and public corporations, operate in a safe, ETHICAL manner.

I agree with this but really the part I bolded.

Nothinbutjoy said:

This is all smoke and mirrors to divert attention from a multitude of sin.

Once again, instead of regulating large corporations, legislate the individual.

Stop allowing huge food processing/ food growing conglomerates to dump fake additives into foods.

Yes, process foods need some additives, like preservatives for example, but PINK SLIME???

Individuals are responsible for their own choices. Government is responsible for insuring that entities, like private and public corporations, operate in a safe, ETHICAL manner.

Pretty much. When will they get it that legislating us is NOT the way to go?

Stymie said:

Nothinbutjoy said:

This is all smoke and mirrors to divert attention from a multitude of sin.

Once again, instead of regulating large corporations, legislate the individual.

Stop allowing huge food processing/ food growing conglomerates to dump fake additives into foods.

Yes, process foods need some additives, like preservatives for example, but PINK SLIME???

Individuals are responsible for their own choices. Government is responsible for insuring that entities, like private and public corporations, operate in a safe, ETHICAL manner.

I agree with this but really the part I bolded.

You don't think that people will just complain that the government is trying to tell them what they can and can't eat even with shit like this?

I dunno, it's just a really different mindset in the country I live in, I guess.

Genesia said:

Spinlight said:

That's pretty dramatic, even for you.

That just proves how little you know me.

So, what, you can be much more dramatic than calling size restrictions on poisonous and unhealthy drinks the same as fascism?

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. I'm calling a spade a spade.

Why aren't you mad that sodas don't come in 164oz portions? What's stopping you from buying 12 20oz sodas?

[Edited 9/14/12 13:27pm]

JustErin said:

Stymie said:

I agree with this but really the part I bolded.

You don't think that people will just complain that the government is trying to tell them what they can and can't eat even with shit like this?

I dunno, it's just a really different mindset in the country I live in, I guess.

Most Americans are completely addicted to the concept of Freedom. You hit the nail on the head that they would complain about additives being removed.

I love that some of the holier than thou freedom fighters in this thread act like there aren't people with even less standards than theirs. As if governments, theoretically put into power by the people, don't have the right to make these kinds of laws.

It's not a secret that drinking sodas make you fat and diabetic. This is not something that nobody knew about. And 2/3 of the folks in this thread make fun of fat people anyway. Vicious cycle.

Spinlight said:

JustErin said:

You don't think that people will just complain that the government is trying to tell them what they can and can't eat even with shit like this?

I dunno, it's just a really different mindset in the country I live in, I guess.

Most Americans are completely addicted to the concept of Freedom. You hit the nail on the head that they would complain about additives being removed.

I love that some of the holier than thou freedom fighters in this thread act like there aren't people with even less standards than theirs. As if governments, theoretically put into power by the people, don't have the right to make these kinds of laws.

It's not a secret that drinking sodas make you fat and diabetic. This is not something that nobody knew about. And 2/3 of the folks in this thread make fun of fat people anyway. Vicious cycle.

And you see something wrong with the concept of "freedom"? I guess like JustErin stated, maybe it's really just a different mindset...different countries & all (San Francisco is a nation all unto itself, I get that )

Don't know about your neck of the woods, but around here people are actually turning AWAY from "additives", so I'd love to see the demographics on those who yearn for the stuff. I mean, there's all kinds of people on this planet, so I'm sure they're out there.

I don't understand what you're getting at with the "less standards" part.

See my response about shame for the last part.

Spinlight said:

Genesia said:

That just proves how little you know me.

So, what, you can be much more dramatic than calling size restrictions on poisonous and unhealthy drinks the same as fascism?

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. I'm calling a spade a spade.

Why aren't you mad that sodas don't come in 164oz portions? What's stopping you from buying 12 20oz sodas?

You don't give a damn? Really? You seem awfully overheated for someone who doesn't give a damn.

I think that if someone would buy a 164-oz. soda, someone would sell one - and there'd be absolutely nothing wrong with that. What stops me from buying 12 20-oz. sodas is that I don't want 12 20-oz. sodas. But the fact that I don't want them doesn't mean nobody else should be able to have them, either.

It's called freedom. And it's being chipped away bit by bit. If you don't give a damn about that, I feel sorry for you.

Freedom has been used loosely by people who don't understand it. No wonder people go on about not caring but then going off because someone has a different point of view.

Timmy84 said:

Freedom has been used loosely by people who don't understand it. No wonder people go on about not caring but then going off because someone has a different point of view.

Freedom for me, but not for thee.

Timmy84 said:

Freedom has been used loosely by people who don't understand it. No wonder people go on about not caring but then going off because someone has a different point of view.

Don't be foolish.

If you want more drinks, buy more drinks. Nothing is stopping you. There is no limit to how many sodas you can buy. Nobody is stifling your great need for sugar.

PurpleJedi said:

Spinlight said:

Most Americans are completely addicted to the concept of Freedom. You hit the nail on the head that they would complain about additives being removed.

I love that some of the holier than thou freedom fighters in this thread act like there aren't people with even less standards than theirs. As if governments, theoretically put into power by the people, don't have the right to make these kinds of laws.

It's not a secret that drinking sodas make you fat and diabetic. This is not something that nobody knew about. And 2/3 of the folks in this thread make fun of fat people anyway. Vicious cycle.

And you see something wrong with the concept of "freedom"? I guess like JustErin stated, maybe it's really just a different mindset...different countries & all (San Francisco is a nation all unto itself, I get that )

Don't know about your neck of the woods, but around here people are actually turning AWAY from "additives", so I'd love to see the demographics on those who yearn for the stuff. I mean, there's all kinds of people on this planet, so I'm sure they're out there.

I don't understand what you're getting at with the "less standards" part.

See my response about shame for the last part.

Of course I don't find anything wrong with freedom. I said that most Americans are addicted to the concept. They have no real idea what the hell they are going on about. As is evident in this thread when folks suggest their freedoms are being impinged.

OK...before my ranting thread gets moved to P&R, if the soda ban isn't what you're really discussing, then let's deal with what we really are discussing http://prince.org/msg/105/387239

wtf? edit

[Edited 9/14/12 14:12pm]

JustErin said:

Stymie said:

I agree with this but really the part I bolded.

You don't think that people will just complain that the government is trying to tell them what they can and can't eat even with shit like this?

I dunno, it's just a really different mindset in the country I live in, I guess.

Sure but I would be happy the government is protecting me from that shit.

Spinlight said:

Timmy84 said:

Freedom has been used loosely by people who don't understand it. No wonder people go on about not caring but then going off because someone has a different point of view.

Don't be foolish.

If you want more drinks, buy more drinks. Nothing is stopping you. There is no limit to how many sodas you can buy. Nobody is stifling your great need for sugar.

This is what some of us have been saying throughout this thread. But others love their faux outrage.

The same people who introduced supersized portions of things are probably -behind the scenes- the ones planning to benefit most from their removal.

Get people hooked on large amounts of chemically altered, unhealthy foods. Then downsize the portions, and those who are hooked on them will just buy double as much.

When it comes to worrying about the government dictating what and how much the run of the mill citizen puts in his mouth, save your energy. They already do.

Yo, New York,
I got your Big Gulp

... right here.