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Thread started 06/09/12 12:29pm

JoannaLouise

Don't go to Harrods

Went to Harrods today and did not realise till I left that it is the only store in England that still sells fur. The fur trade is illegal here and Harrods won't stop selling it. I think that is really bad and won't go back there I don't agree with fur I know too many stories about how it is farmed and feel even stronger as am a vegetarian. I saw a petition going as I left that's how I know.
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Reply #1 posted 06/09/12 1:10pm

yanowha

What kinds of fur?

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Reply #2 posted 06/09/12 1:37pm

JoannaLouise

Mainly Fox I would think those are the animals they seem to show on the protest pictures. Harrods is a really nice shop so just a bit disappointed they have not followed other department stores and not sold real fur. Harvey Nics is up the road and they don't.
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Reply #3 posted 06/09/12 1:38pm

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yanowha said:

What kinds of fur?

i don't know but i gotta get one,

i was havin trouble findin a spot

that still sold fur... razz

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Reply #4 posted 06/09/12 2:32pm

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Conflict diamonds are still being sold every where and people are still worried about some furry animals?

Yeah, I eat steak and I wear fur and leather from domesticated animals... people still wear diamonds right?

Tainos had it right since the beginning of our history... I will follow their example. They were taking good care of the land and its animals and always had the right idea of balance.

peace

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Reply #5 posted 06/09/12 2:49pm

yanowha

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i don't know but i gotta get one,

i was havin trouble findin a spot

that still sold fur... razz

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Reply #6 posted 06/09/12 2:50pm

MelinaB

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What about merchandise made by slave labour?

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Reply #7 posted 06/09/12 3:05pm

JoannaLouise

Primark has been a target when it comes to slave labor. It's wrong but loads of people still go there because they can get shoes and clothes for literally 2 pound.
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Reply #8 posted 06/09/12 3:37pm

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MelinaB said:

What about merchandise made by slave labour?

where can i find that???

i mean, it wierd when you buy the shit

and you didn't even know the value lol

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Reply #9 posted 06/09/12 6:44pm

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JoannaLouise said:

Mainly Fox I would think those are the animals they seem to show on the protest pictures. Harrods is a really nice shop so just a bit disappointed they have not followed other department stores and not sold real fur. Harvey Nics is up the road and they don't.

Fox hunting is outlawed in the UK.

It used to be a sport for the spoiled aristocrats.

I have been to Harrods. It is a nice store. It caters to the rich. Nice to look around and see what they have.

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Reply #10 posted 06/09/12 7:05pm

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The next time I'm in London, I'll make a note of that. wink

BTW, I've not been to London in my lifetime yet sad though I hope to do so in the not-too-distant future. biggrin

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[Edited 6/9/12 20:55pm]

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Reply #11 posted 06/09/12 10:53pm

JoannaLouise

I think it's the farming of animals for fur that is illegal. Not sure if fox hunting goes on now if is does not as much as it used to.
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Reply #12 posted 06/09/12 11:29pm

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paintedlady said:

Conflict diamonds are still being sold every where and people are still worried about some furry animals?

Yeah, I eat steak and I wear fur and leather from domesticated animals... people still wear diamonds right?

Tainos had it right since the beginning of our history... I will follow their example. They were taking good care of the land and its animals and always had the right idea of balance.

peace

But that's the whole problem...we're not taking good care of the land and animals and there is no balance. To many people eat way too much.

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Reply #13 posted 06/10/12 1:31am

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I disagree with killing animals for the sole purpose of fur, but if they are dead for some other reason I see no problem with using it. For example a bear that has been put down. I still don't see why they can't trim an animals fur for fur coats like they do with sheep.

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Reply #14 posted 06/10/12 4:03am

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The prohibitively expensive prices of the goods on sale, and the fact that any purchases I made there would help fill the pockets of the vile, corrupt old sexual harasser that runs the place, had already done enough to dissuade me from going. I'll make this Reason #3, though.
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Reply #15 posted 06/10/12 8:28am

paintedlady

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Jagar said:

I disagree with killing animals for the sole purpose of fur, but if they are dead for some other reason I see no problem with using it. For example a bear that has been put down. I still don't see why they can't trim an animals fur for fur coats like they do with sheep.

!!!! AMEN !!!!

I would wear bear, skunk, beaver, rabbit.... all that fur is USEFUL!

I have rabbit and beaver furs but why do companies only use fox and sable? And why only trim with coyote and not the whole animal?

Its such a waste and I will never understand farming and breeding just to kill. Its ridiculous!

My mom would kill and skin rabbits and keep the hides when we were young. She even gave me a foot to try to keep. That actually upset me since it was my pet. sad

But furs should be harvested from domesticated livestock or nuisance animals that over run areas like beavers, skunks and squirrels.

Unfortunately, they can not shear animals with regular fur because wool (curly hairs) have a NAP that can be woven into a fabric. The straight short hairs of most animals can not be woven and will not stay together unless its blended with tons of wool.

Mink is woven in some cashmere and it is EXTREMELY expensive, more expensive than a full mink pelts.

So its would be too much money to produce and coats made with that fabric. They do make the fabric but for a coat it start at about 20,000.00 and the fabric pills quickly.

Hairs must be nappy to be woven and not straight.

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Reply #16 posted 06/10/12 8:36am

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luv4u said:

JoannaLouise said:

Mainly Fox I would think those are the animals they seem to show on the protest pictures. Harrods is a really nice shop so just a bit disappointed they have not followed other department stores and not sold real fur. Harvey Nics is up the road and they don't.

Fox hunting is outlawed in the UK.

It used to be a sport for the spoiled aristocrats.

I have been to Harrods. It is a nice store. It caters to the rich. Nice to look around and see what they have.

I don't think the fact that people fox hunt has anything to do with them being spoiled or aristocratic. Yes, it is perceived as a sport that the upper echelons of British society take part in, but that's not totally true. Many villages in England have hunts which include all the villagers, regardless of their class. There is nothing spoiled about that. And spoiled how, exactly? I don't think you can say someone is spoiled because they hunt. You have to pay to take part, for one.

Harrods also doesn't cater to the rich like it used to anymore. In fact, it mainly caters to tourists and wealthy arabs (it's owned by Qataris now). If you want to see a big store that caters to the rich in London, go to Harvey Nichols. Harrods is a dump, the only thing still impressive is its Food Hall, but it's normally so overrun by tourists that real Londoners who could shop there avoid it like the plague.

This kind of stuff is a lot more complicated than you're making it.

As for the fur question, Harrods is not the only store to sell fur. Try any of the ridiculously opulent stores on Sloane Street. There's more fur than you can wave 10,000 skinned minks at on that road alone.

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[Edited 6/10/12 12:28pm]

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Reply #18 posted 06/10/12 6:44pm

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i've never set foot in the place, i ain't giving no crooked arab my business, he can shove those furs right up his arse

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Reply #19 posted 06/10/12 9:28pm

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i've never set foot in the place, i ain't giving no crooked arab my business, he can shove those furs right up his arse

which one? Al-fayed (sold it years ago) or the qatari Royals (who currently own it), LOL!

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Reply #20 posted 06/11/12 5:35am

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hmm

Is the sale of fur actually ILLEGAL in England???

How could Harrod's get away with selling illegal merchandise?

I don't think we're getting the full story.

But I agree with PaintedLady. People have NO PROBLEM whatsoever wearing blood diamonds or gold/jewels mined for at the expense of indigenous tribes who are killed/displaced for it. not to mention the mercury used to extract gold KILLS THE ENVIRONMENT.

Also, how many people are rolling their eyes over fur, when they're wearing LEATHER? Is a cow any less alive than a chinchilla or lynx?

And if you say, I only wear nylon/polyester...where do we get that polyester from? How is it made? Who makes those sneakers on your feet - a 12 year old in Bangladesh?

I don't wear fur, but I love me some steak, so I'm not going to decry the use and be a hypocrite about the issue.

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Reply #21 posted 06/11/12 6:05am

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As PJ said.

Own a pair of leather shoes? Love the feel of that lush leather in your car? An animal was killed to make it, give me a break. I don't wear fur; I'm not all that crazy about wearing anytype of coat/jacket in the first place. Human kind have domesticate/ raised animals for their use since the beginning of time. Less get real about this.

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Reply #22 posted 06/11/12 7:13am

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Harrod's is lovely. If I ever get back to London, I won't hesitate for a second to go there. shrug

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Reply #23 posted 06/11/12 7:37am

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paintedlady said:

Conflict diamonds are still being sold every where and people are still worried about some furry animals?

Yeah, I eat steak and I wear fur and leather from domesticated animals... people still wear diamonds right?

Tainos had it right since the beginning of our history... I will follow their example. They were taking good care of the land and its animals and always had the right idea of balance.

peace

what does that have to do with fur ?

saying the sky is blue would make an equally pointless non-argument

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Reply #24 posted 06/11/12 8:30am

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I would say the opposite. Go to Harrods.

It's a fucking mental place and oppulant as a Chelsea spinster. If you visit London, it's a must do.

Regarding the sale of fur, I don't agree with it, but I would not let that stop me going somewhere/doing something. If I did that for everything I disagree with i'd end up going no fucking where.

I'm quite sure that Harrods are not the only store to stock real fur items.

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Reply #25 posted 06/11/12 8:53am

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Dewrede said:

paintedlady said:

Conflict diamonds are still being sold every where and people are still worried about some furry animals?

Yeah, I eat steak and I wear fur and leather from domesticated animals... people still wear diamonds right?

Tainos had it right since the beginning of our history... I will follow their example. They were taking good care of the land and its animals and always had the right idea of balance.

peace

what does that have to do with fur ?

saying the sky is blue would make an equally pointless non-argument

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Read her entire sentence, not just the first half.

The O.P. is telling people not to shop at Harrods because they sell fur.

Paintelady's reply deals with the double-standard in our society where certain people get all worked up over farmed critters but not the blood-stained diamonds or other equally "evil" goods being sold in the next counter.

Valid point.

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Reply #26 posted 06/11/12 9:00am

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Reply #27 posted 06/11/12 9:24am

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Harrods is NOT the only shop in England, or the UK for that matter, that sells fur. Also, it is NOT illegal to sell fur in England (or the rest of the UK).

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Reply #28 posted 06/11/12 9:24am

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TheDigitalGardener said:

I would say the opposite. Go to Harrods.

It's a fucking mental place and oppulant as a Chelsea spinster. If you visit London, it's a must do.

Regarding the sale of fur, I don't agree with it, but I would not let that stop me going somewhere/doing something. If I did that for everything I disagree with i'd end up going no fucking where.

I'm quite sure that Harrods are not the only store to stock real fur items.

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Reply #29 posted 06/11/12 11:50am

JoannaLouise

The sale of fur is not illegal unless an endangered species, breeding animals for fur is. I am sure there are other shops that sell fur charity shops have fur items in them at times. Harrods is the only department store e.g John Lewis, Marks and Spencer's department stores like that have said they won't sell it.
Google Harrods and fur trade to out more.
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