ZombieKitten said:

I never knew I could go to Ukraine for cheap hookers until I read this thread!

Right.

I'm sending you off to Siberia with the other guys!

dJJ said:

NDRU said:

sounds like they are against any tourism at all because men won't be able to help but see them as whores?

Are you acting ignorant because it's fun to provoke DJJ, or is this really how you guys think about it?

"Fans are going to see lots of attractive women and for many that is going to reinforce the negative image our women have abroad...In Europe, Ukrainian women have the unfortunate reputation as beautiful, cheap sex dolls, and when the fans get here that image will only be reinforced," she said.

dJJ said:

NDRU said:

dJJ said:

Are you acting ignorant because it's fun to provoke DJJ, or is this really how you guys think about it?

"Fans are going to see lots of attractive women and for many that is going to reinforce the negative image our women have abroad...In Europe, Ukrainian women have the unfortunate reputation as beautiful, cheap sex dolls, and when the fans get here that image will only be reinforced," she said.

Okay, if it really is that unclear to you:

The flow of football fans walk up to random girls in the street to:

- offer her money for sex

- try to seduce her with 'you are beautiful blabla' or 'you want to fuck with this stallion'

- Make fun of her, trying to be funny to his friends.

- Tell her he really loves her and paint her a beautiful future abroad. Then dump her after he demanded sex of her.

Try to imagine you are an Ukrainean girl, walking on the street minding your own business.

yeah?

And then imagine that during a walk of 30 minutes you have to endure a couple of the scenarios abovementioned.

Do you sort of get their point?

Next lesson will be about human trafficing (including examplifying tour in red light district) and 'marriage agencies' for men who want a wife, however can't convince a girl to become his wife. Something to do with how he treats women. However, man himself thinks it's not his fault, it's the fault of women.

NDRU said:

dJJ said:

Are you acting ignorant because it's fun to provoke DJJ, or is this really how you guys think about it?

"Fans are going to see lots of attractive women and for many that is going to reinforce the negative image our women have abroad...In Europe, Ukrainian women have the unfortunate reputation as beautiful, cheap sex dolls, and when the fans get here that image will only be reinforced," she said.

Yeah and how is this gonna "reinforce" something? They weren't doing this in 2011? Or 2010? It's almost as if they're saying, "let's pick a good time to do something for attention..." I get it, they're against prostitution but maybe the message gets lost because they're topless in bikinis. Just my opinion. Go for what you know.

dJJ said:

sextonseven said:

dJJ said:

By men who still don't get it.

Yes, these men still refuse to really listen and understand why it's time they change their attitudes and behavior towards women.

The subjects these girls try to draw attention to is no joke at all.

That's the dJJ I know.

Yes, I'm very easy to manipulate.

I tried to ignore the thread.

For a few seconds I managed.

Still want to go to bed.

And now I'm to worked up to fall asleep.

Timmy84 said:

NDRU said:

"Fans are going to see lots of attractive women and for many that is going to reinforce the negative image our women have abroad...In Europe, Ukrainian women have the unfortunate reputation as beautiful, cheap sex dolls, and when the fans get here that image will only be reinforced," she said.

Yeah and how is this gonna "reinforce" something? They weren't doing this in 2011? Or 2010? It's almost as if they're saying, "let's pick a good time to do something for attention..." I get it, they're against prostitution but maybe the message gets lost because they're topless in bikinis. Just my opinion. Go for what you know.

Femen has been active for a few years now.

And have been protesting around Europe at several occasions.

!!!!!!!

dJJ said:

JoeTyler said:

FEMEN is considered a joke even in its OWN country

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ical_image

By men who still don't get it.

NO

not only men

check out the link(s) again

ZombieKitten said:

dJJ said:

Right.

I'm sending you off to Siberia with the other guys!

See, I was under the impression illegal traffickers promised desperately poor ukrainian women jobs in Holland and other countries and then took their passports and forced them into prostitution. I didn't know Ukraine was like the eastern block Bangkok and a sex holiday destination as well!

Can't believ how easy it is to have me biting'

If you start typing in google the first letters and see how fast google comes up with women as

U K R

see?!

ZombieKitten said:

dJJ said:

How did he react when you told him you were reading up on feminism in Eastern Europe and that is really wasn't what it looked like?

Well there wasn't anything to read on that page just the photo of the topless lady

One of the things I want to do is start writing columns or articles about these kind of things. From a female perspective. I have to learn to lose my angry tone, though.

Maybe I could start with Femen. Because I notice a lack of general knowledge about them overhere.

dJJ said:

sextonseven said:

That's the dJJ I know.

Yes, I'm very easy to manipulate.

I tried to ignore the thread.

For a few seconds I managed.

Still want to go to bed.

And now I'm to worked up to fall asleep.

I should have started this thread after you were asleep.

JoeTyler said:

dJJ said:

By men who still don't get it.

NO

not only men

check out the link(s) again

What's your point?

That there should be no protests against these phenomenon?

This is the most effective way to generate attention to these subjects and have people at least think about it.

dJJ said:

JoeTyler said:

NO

not only men

check out the link(s) again

What's your point?

That there should be no protests against these phenomenon?

This is the most effective way to generate attention to these subjects and have people at least think about it.

ok, I agree with that

but FEMEN ultimate goal was (is?) banning the EuroCup, at least in the ukranian part (Poland only)

that was the non-sensical part that made them look like silly extremists

sextonseven said:

dJJ said:

Yes, I'm very easy to manipulate.

I tried to ignore the thread.

For a few seconds I managed.

Still want to go to bed.

And now I'm to worked up to fall asleep.

I should have started this thread after you were asleep.

No worries.

It's all good training for me.

I'm still experimenting with how and what way I can materialize my ambition. I'm still thinking about my job description as professional feminist.

The challenge is to get my point across without people play down the subject. Or autimatically go in defense mode. I have to find a way that people recognise the need for change and their own responsibility when it comes to enhance the quality of life for women.

JoeTyler said:

dJJ said:

By men who still don't get it.

NO

not only men

check out the link(s) again

the revolution will not be televised

JoeTyler said:

dJJ said:

What's your point?

That there should be no protests against these phenomenon?

This is the most effective way to generate attention to these subjects and have people at least think about it.

ok, I agree with that

but FEMEN ultimate goal was (is?) banning the EuroCup, at least in the ukranian part (Poland only)

that was the non-sensical part that made them look like silly extremists

I think modesty will not get them anywhere

dJJ said:

JoeTyler said:

NO

not only men

check out the link(s) again

the revolution will not be televised

see, I just want a Holland vs Spain final

that's all I'm interested in

Zombie, where's your topless pics?

I'm sure their heart's in the right place and I applaud what they do regardless of how they're doing it. It'll never work though. They ain't gonna stop the Euro cup because of something that's been going on for decades.

2freaky4church1 said:

dJJ said:

NDRU said:

"Fans are going to see lots of attractive women and for many that is going to reinforce the negative image our women have abroad...In Europe, Ukrainian women have the unfortunate reputation as beautiful, cheap sex dolls, and when the fans get here that image will only be reinforced," she said.

Okay, if it really is that unclear to you:

The flow of football fans walk up to random girls in the street to:

- offer her money for sex

- try to seduce her with 'you are beautiful blabla' or 'you want to fuck with this stallion'

- Make fun of her, trying to be funny to his friends.

- Tell her he really loves her and paint her a beautiful future abroad. Then dump her after he demanded sex of her.

Try to imagine you are an Ukrainean girl, walking on the street minding your own business.

yeah?

And then imagine that during a walk of 30 minutes you have to endure a couple of the scenarios abovementioned.

Do you sort of get their point?

Next lesson will be about human trafficing (including examplifying tour in red light district) and 'marriage agencies' for men who want a wife, however can't convince a girl to become his wife. Something to do with how he treats women. However, man himself thinks it's not his fault, it's the fault of women.

I get the point that men exhibit this kind of behavior in general.

But I don't see how it applies specifically to the Ukraine or to soccer fans.

dJJ said:

ZombieKitten said:

dJJ said:

Can't believ how easy it is to have me biting'

If you start typing in google the first letters and see how fast google comes up with women as

U K R

see?!

All I learned was from a couple of docos on SBS Our local problem is cheap sex holidays to Asia, that's closest destination for Aussie men who can't get a normal girlfriend at home and those with penchant for children. Not so many see Ukraine as anything but really really far away and because of that, anything but cheap.

what's wrong with aussie hookers?

or do U mean they are f*ckin pedos?

JoeTyler said:

^ I hate how some men think they can just do what they want with a woman. If a man tries to force their hand on them, the women got a right to slap him and run off. Those folks are low as fuck.

Femen is notorious in Ukraine for its tactic of sending attractive young women to a public location to strip topless and shout about their causes, and loudly resisting police and security guards sent to quiet them.

Timmy84 said:

ZombieKitten said:

Timmy84 said:

^ I hate how some men think they can just do what they want with a woman. If a man tries to force their hand on them, the women got a right to slap him and run off. Those folks are low as fuck.

And then their pimp beats them up, sometimes they don't even have that freedom, their life can depend on it

And that's even scarier. That's why I admire those that work WITHOUT a pimp but there's still a lot of danger anyway because if men don't get what they want, they kill them.