Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:

But there are plenty of non-straight people in the entertainment industry. Just ask Tom Cruise.

Oops, did I say that?!?

[Edited 6/6/12 12:54pm]

Tom ain't gay, he's just a slut (like Travolta)...

I blame LastDecember for this crap! He was the one that told us about Tom first.

Why Kordell Stewart still fronting like he straight too...

TonyVanDam said:

Or could it be that the homophobia of the black communities worldwide is too great for them to take that risk?

Their white counterparts such as Ellen Degeneres, Rosie O'Donnell, George Michael, & even Samantha Fox in years past has never held back who they were/are as strongly as Freddie, Queen, & Raven are at the moment.

Just saying.

1) I think the assertion that blacks somehow excel at homophobia is a falsehood. But, I'm suspicious of stereotypes about blacks as a rule, especially those that pigeonhole their belief systems and thought processes...

2) ... which leads me to the reminder that there are a BUNCH of closeted white entertainers. Mentioning a few out white entertainers doesn't change that. Black churchgoers in Raleigh, N.C., aren't keeping the closeted, white A-listers in hiding...

ThreadBare said:

TonyVanDam said:

I perfectly understand their point about keeping their private lives are "private" as possible. But why at the expense of insulting the intelligences of their straight & LGBT fans in the process? Or could it be that the homophobia of the black communities worldwide is too great for them to take that risk?

I'm sure it all has something to do with the illuminati.

TonyVanDam said:

I perfectly understand their point about keeping their private lives are "private" as possible. But why at the expense of insulting the intelligences of their straight & LGBT fans in the process? Or could it be that the homophobia of the black communities worldwide is too great for them to take that risk?

Their white counterparts such as Ellen Degeneres, Rosie O'Donnell, George Michael, & even Samantha Fox in years past has never held back who they were/are as strongly as Freddie, Queen, & Raven are at the moment.

Just saying.

tvd, what sources support your assertions that the certain LGBT people who wish to keep their private lives private is an insult to other's intelligence?

if someone does not share with me information about their sexuality it's not my problem, nor should it be a problem to anyone else black, white, hispanic, asian, or etc.

also when did the so-called white counterparts who choose to share their private lives to the public set the standard or norm for all?

also, why is this of importance to you? imo it's just a micro issue. you may be expounding on your own need to promulgate a trivial part of an individual's personal life choice un-necessarily.

it's about a very personal life choice which is to be respected, not a black or white thing.

free2bfreeda said:

TonyVanDam said:

I perfectly understand their point about keeping their private lives are "private" as possible. But why at the expense of insulting the intelligences of their straight & LGBT fans in the process? Or could it be that the homophobia of the black communities worldwide is too great for them to take that risk?

Their white counterparts such as Ellen Degeneres, Rosie O'Donnell, George Michael, & even Samantha Fox in years past has never held back who they were/are as strongly as Freddie, Queen, & Raven are at the moment.

Just saying.

tvd, what sources support your assertions that the certain LGBT people who wish to keep their private lives private is an insult to other's intelligence?

if someone does not share with me information about their sexuality it's not my problem, nor should it be a problem to anyone else black, white, hispanic, asian, or etc.

also when did the so-called white counterparts who choose to share their private lives to the public set the standard or norm for all?

also, why is this of importance to you? imo it's just a micro issue. you may be expounding on your own need to promulgate a trivial part of an individual's personal life choice un-necessarily.

it's about a very personal life choice which is to be respected, not a black or white thing.

TonyVanDam said:

Stymie said:

who the hell cares? it's none of our damn business.

YOU do! You're in my thread.

No sweetie, I don't care and I cannot figure out for the life of me why other people do. How would it benefit your everyday life to obtain this information?

One moment, people are saying "why they gotta throw their sexuality in our faces", next minute folks want them to come out the closet.

Do you go around talking about how you are straight?

And I am so damn sick and tired of "gay" "non-straight", whatever, being thrown around like it's something bad.

And Freddie has not denied anything. He just said it's nobody's business but his. Same as what Raven did on Twitter.

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

ThreadBare said:

1) I think the assertion that blacks somehow excel at homophobia is a falsehood. But, I'm suspicious of stereotypes about blacks as a rule, especially those that pigeonhole their belief systems and thought processes...

2) ... which leads me to the reminder that there are a BUNCH of closeted white entertainers. Mentioning a few out white entertainers doesn't change that. Black churchgoers in Raleigh, N.C., aren't keeping the closeted, white A-listers in hiding...

Excellent point. Therein lies the problem: American society is homophobic. One only need to look at the mainstream media's overwhelming celebration of all things heterosexual to see that. Unfortunately, our discourse is framed by people in power who do not tell the truth about American society as a whole -- due to ignorance or their own agendas. The "black folks are more homophobic than..." line is the new welfare-queen stereotype -- an easy and fallacious scapegoat. Black people do not control the media and are nowhere near the largest voting block in this country; but, somehow, blacks are singled out for the homophobia that runs rampant in American life. It's non-sense and ignorant. We tend to forget that everyone in the United States is conditioned by the same social forces: mass media saturation, schools, religious institutions, etc. which set the cues as to how one can fit into the rigid confines of the middle-class ideal. The ideal that celebrates home ownership, heterosexual marriage, two kids, a dog and obsessing about nonsensical and banal shit like "man caves" in suburbia. Therefore, regardless of our race, we see the world, ourselves and each other through the lens of the American ideas of masculinity, feminity, family and gender roles. These troubling ideals manifest themselves in daily life and cause hell for the people that fall outside of what is seamlessly, but consistently passed on as acceptable. It's actually astonishing that after all the years of programming, a large segment of people are able to overcome the bs perpetuated by our social constructs.

Great post!

Stymie said:

And Freddie has not denied anything. He just said it's nobody's business but his. Same as what Raven did on Twitter.

Yeah, but it's also not something to be shamed about. And acting mysterious about it does imply that.

AsherFierce said:

Why Kordell Stewart still fronting like he straight too...

But I thought Kordell was only a metro like Deion.

Queen Latifah isn't in denial. In the mid to late 90' she hanged in the Village in NYC by the piers and she was very much out with her girlfriend.. I believe she's in a relationship she just don't speak about and that's her right.

free2bfreeda said:

TonyVanDam said:

I perfectly understand their point about keeping their private lives are "private" as possible. But why at the expense of insulting the intelligences of their straight & LGBT fans in the process? Or could it be that the homophobia of the black communities worldwide is too great for them to take that risk?

Their white counterparts such as Ellen Degeneres, Rosie O'Donnell, George Michael, & even Samantha Fox in years past has never held back who they were/are as strongly as Freddie, Queen, & Raven are at the moment.

Just saying.

tvd, what sources support your assertions that the certain LGBT people who wish to keep their private lives private is an insult to other's intelligence?

if someone does not share with me information about their sexuality it's not my problem, nor should it be a problem to anyone else black, white, hispanic, asian, or etc.

also when did the so-called white counterparts who choose to share their private lives to the public set the standard or norm for all?

also, why is this of importance to you? imo it's just a micro issue. you may be expounding on your own need to promulgate a trivial part of an individual's personal life choice un-necessarily.

it's about a very personal life choice which is to be respected, not a black or white thing.

You're taking what I said in my opening post out of context.

When it's well known that a celebrity throughout his/her life has NEVER talked about or have been seen romantically linked with anyone of the opposite sex and still dares to give the false impression that he/she is straight despite that it too obvious that they're not, THAT is definitely insulting the intelligences of their fanbase.

Don't believe me?!? Just ask some women that thought Ricky Martin was straight. I rest my case.

Stymie said:

TonyVanDam said:

YOU do! You're in my thread.

No sweetie, I don't care and I cannot figure out for the life of me why other people do. How would it benefit your everyday life to obtain this information?

One moment, people are saying "why they gotta throw their sexuality in our faces", next minute folks want them to come out the closet.

Do you go around talking about how you are straight?

And I am so damn sick and tired of "gay" "non-straight", whatever, being thrown around like it's something bad.

Oh get off you high moral high horse! There is not one person in this thread implying that being one of the LGBTs is bad.

TonyVanDam said:

Stymie said:

No sweetie, I don't care and I cannot figure out for the life of me why other people do. How would it benefit your everyday life to obtain this information?

One moment, people are saying "why they gotta throw their sexuality in our faces", next minute folks want them to come out the closet.

Do you go around talking about how you are straight?

And I am so damn sick and tired of "gay" "non-straight", whatever, being thrown around like it's something bad.

Oh get off you high moral high horse! There is not one person in this thread implying that being one of the LGBTs is bad.

Then why do you care if they are straight or not?It's not like you said someone is in denial about being straight. YOU made it an issue.

How is it insulting to any fan's intelligence if they know whether these people are straight or gay? Shouldn't they just be concerned about their own damn lives?

TonyVanDam said:

free2bfreeda said:

tvd, what sources support your assertions that the certain LGBT people who wish to keep their private lives private is an insult to other's intelligence?

if someone does not share with me information about their sexuality it's not my problem, nor should it be a problem to anyone else black, white, hispanic, asian, or etc.

also when did the so-called white counterparts who choose to share their private lives to the public set the standard or norm for all?

also, why is this of importance to you? imo it's just a micro issue. you may be expounding on your own need to promulgate a trivial part of an individual's personal life choice un-necessarily.

it's about a very personal life choice which is to be respected, not a black or white thing.

You're taking what I said in my opening post out of context.

When it's well known that a celebrity throughout his/her life has NEVER talked about or have been seen romantically linked with anyone of the opposite sex and still dares to give the false impression that he/she is straight despite that it too obvious that they're not, THAT is definitely insulting the intelligences of their fanbase.

Don't believe me?!? Just ask some women that thought Ricky Martin was straight. I rest my case.

and while ur at it hopefully you will not only rest your case, perhaps it'd be better and less agonizing for you to make what ever point it is that you are trying to make and put your case to

sleep.

tonyvd, (with all due respect 2u) sometimes:

it is better to keep ones mouth closed and let people think you a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”

mark twain

Stymie said:

TonyVanDam said:

Oh get off you high moral high horse! There is not one person in this thread implying that being one of the LGBTs is bad.

Then why do you care if they are straight or not?It's not like you said someone is in denial about being straight. YOU made it an issue.

How is it insulting to any fan's intelligence if they know whether these people are straight or gay? Shouldn't they just be concerned about their own damn lives?

It's not an issue. It's an interesting thread to get my fellow orgers talking. And I never needed your permission to create this thread.

End of story.

TonyVanDam said:

Stymie said:

Then why do you care if they are straight or not?It's not like you said someone is in denial about being straight. YOU made it an issue.

How is it insulting to any fan's intelligence if they know whether these people are straight or gay? Shouldn't they just be concerned about their own damn lives?

It's not an issue. It's an interesting thread to get my fellow orgers talking. And I never needed your permission to create this thread.

End of story.

Oh good lord. It's an issue for YOU or you would not have started the thread.

I never said you needed my permission. That works both ways tho': I am free to make my opinion known on any topic posted here.This is a dumbassed one and sad at that.

And this will be my last post on this subject:

Sometimes I wonder if the sexualities even exist now... I always thought straight was "opposite", gay was "same" and bi was "two-sided".

Opposite, same and two-sided...

Most of us are either two-sided, slutty or pick opposite or same... we admit our sexualities like it's for an Alcoholic Anonymous meeting... and they know some of us are drunks, it's like why bring it up for discussion if it's a bother to someone's privacy?

Latifah stopped playing that she was chasing dick way long ago. I think Raven is just hanging out. Freddie will be Freddie.

Timmy84 said:

And this will be my last post on this subject:

Sometimes I wonder if the sexualities even exist now... I always thought straight was "opposite", gay was "same" and bi was "two-sided".

Opposite, same and two-sided...

Most of us are either two-sided, slutty or pick opposite or same... we admit our sexualities like it's for an Alcoholic Anonymous meeting... and they know some of us are drunks, it's like why bring it up for discussion if it's a bother to someone's privacy?

Latifah stopped playing that she was chasing dick way long ago. I think Raven is just hanging out. Freddie will be Freddie.

I agree

Timmy84 said:

And this will be my last post on this subject:

Sometimes I wonder if the sexualities even exist now... I always thought straight was "opposite", gay was "same" and bi was "two-sided".

Opposite, same and two-sided...

Most of us are either two-sided, slutty or pick opposite or same... we admit our sexualities like it's for an Alcoholic Anonymous meeting... and they know some of us are drunks, it's like why bring it up for discussion if it's a bother to someone's privacy?

Latifah stopped playing that she was chasing dick way long ago. I think Raven is just hanging out. Freddie will be Freddie.

Of course there are all kinds of ways of getting a baby

But I think it was a Barbara Walters show or something that was focused on Dana Owens

her career family etc etc and Dana was sitting with her mother and talking about having a baby with a certain time frame that it was going to happen etc etc

dJJ said:

andykeen said:

Maybe it's societies fault for expecting every person to be straight.

The whole Travolta media hype shows how sad that state of society is.

It's the social pressure in the US to prove one is a good christian that reinforces the anti-gay culture.

However, you can choose your religion and you can choose how you will have any religion rule your personal opinions.

One cannot choose to be gay or not.

I think it's very strange US media talk about Travolta his alleged gay nature as it's being an important subject.

They skip the true important subject: that so many gay people in the US choose to cover up their true nature because of their fear of media's judgemental Christians' values.

The media generates societal norms. And the media cause gay people to have to suffer. A cover story about the suffering because they have to maintain a 'secret' life should be subject of media attention. In stead of blaming gay people to out themselves or not.

I'm proud that one of Holland's most important people, our minister of finance, from the Christan Party can be openly gay without a fuss. The only fuss about it was when it was mentioned in the media, that the media even would mention that. As if him being gay was something that was important to mention.

I feel bad that so many American individuals choose to be judgemental and cause so much suffering for gay people.

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

It wasn't true at all.

At the least, all of Malcolm's surving daughters denied the story. But the late Dr Manning Marables said otherwise during the results of his research for the makings of this biography:

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It was said that Malcolm was bi during the Detriot Red-era.

Of course they are going to deny it. How many people do you know who's dead parent wasn't out of the closet are going to say, "Oh, yes. My mother/father was gay or bisexual". Especially, when it comes to a black man. Unless he was out, it is going to be denied. We have absolutely no way of knowing whether it was true or not.

Other than Freddy singing "You Are My Lady," I don't recall any of them saying they were straight either. Maybe they just don't comment on their sexuality, and why should they?

kitbradley said:

TonyVanDam said:

At the least, all of Malcolm's surving daughters denied the story. But the late Dr Manning Marables said otherwise during the results of his research for the makings of this biography:

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It was said that Malcolm was bi during the Detriot Red-era.

Of course they are going to deny it. How many people do you know who's dead parent wasn't out of the closet are going to say, "Oh, yes. My mother/father was gay or bisexual". Especially, when it comes to a black man. Unless he was out, it is going to be denied. We have absolutely no way of knowing whether it was true or not.

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malcom x quote: “I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color." (or sexual preferences).”were he alive today, i'm feel sure he'd modify this statement to the afore mentioned.

so i add, here's a good idea (expressed with a full amount of sardonicism).

why not have the body of this great man of thought for the right of human kind's body exhumed. then have his dead colon xrayed and afterward put on display for those so emerged in curiousity about his sexuality. then compare notes, discuss individual opinion, and make and share as many off-color jokes as possible then perhaps Macolm X's personal sexual issues can finally be put to rest!!!!!!!!!!

i mean half the world is being sexually judged, condemmed, discussed and demonized and for what?

seems like a bunch of bored under-the-cover-supertrivial-mongers are still trying to make the world go around.

wakeeeeeeeeee uppppppppppppppppp!

[Edited 6/7/12 13:40pm]

free2bfreeda said:

TonyVanDam said:

You're taking what I said in my opening post out of context.

When it's well known that a celebrity throughout his/her life has NEVER talked about or have been seen romantically linked with anyone of the opposite sex and still dares to give the false impression that he/she is straight despite that it too obvious that they're not, THAT is definitely insulting the intelligences of their fanbase.

Don't believe me?!? Just ask some women that thought Ricky Martin was straight. I rest my case.

and while ur at it hopefully you will not only rest your case, perhaps it'd be better and less agonizing for you to make what ever point it is that you are trying to make and put your case to

sleep.

tonyvd, (with all due respect 2u) sometimes:

it is better to keep ones mouth closed and let people think you a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”

mark twain

Oh I should shut up and not have a thread like this at all, but yet it's OK for 1DirXtion to have a thread (in Music Non-Prince no less) asking everyone if we think Joe Jonah is gay?!?:

http://prince.org/msg/8/381974

What a f***ing double standard in the org.

Stymie said:

TonyVanDam said:

It's not an issue. It's an interesting thread to get my fellow orgers talking. And I never needed your permission to create this thread.

End of story.

Oh good lord. It's an issue for YOU or you would not have started the thread.

I never said you needed my permission. That works both ways tho': I am free to make my opinion known on any topic posted here.This is a dumbassed one and sad at that.

I'll say it again because I can.......

Oh I should shut up and not have a thread like this at all, but yet it's OK for 1DirXtion to have a thread (in Music Non-Prince no less) asking everyone if we think Joe Jonah is gay?!?:

http://prince.org/msg/8/381974

What a f***ing double standard in the org.

TonyVanDam said:

missfee said:

Complete bullshit.

[Edited 6/6/12 9:51am]

Have you even readied Dr. Marables' book?

I did, and you know that other orgers here have also. The book states that he may have had a hustle going with some old white queen that Malcolm mentions in Autobiography..., involving baths and massages or something like that. To conspircacy theorists, homophobes, or people that like drama it may mean that was certainly gay or bi. To others it mat mean he was a hustler, and sexaulity had no bearing in the relationship to Malcolm.