HotGritz said:

dJJ said:

Despite feminism, what kind of things still withold women in society today?

What would you want to see changed for women?

I'm just curious what kind of issues are on women's minds and what they would want to see differently.

equal pay for equal work

elimination of female firemen

the government/church off our backs about birth control and abortion

elimination of violence in porn (no beating, spitting, gang raping shit)

more women in politics - we're better at managing money than men anyway

elimination of jealousy over stupid shit. really? u mad cuz she got the same dress as you?

elimination of putting men on faulty pedastels. really? u hate him when he's with you but in front of your friends he's a god?

elimination of hookers. seriously, when are women going to stop taking the easy route and use their brains to make money. Mark Zuckerberg has Facebook, Jack Dorsey has Twitter, Bill Gates has Microsoft, Steve Jobs had Apple....I can't name one woman who is a major inventor/innovator in the tech world. NOT ONE! Oh but I can name bitches on the cover of Vogue and Maxim.

I don't think prostitution or modeling is the real problem. After all, it's only a select group of women who resort to that kind of work.

I think, as women, we have regressed just as much as we've progressed. For all the progress we've made for the 20th century, from the right to vote, to the right to determine what we can do with our bodies (that's still up for debate), I'm seeing youtube videos of young girls (like 13-14 even) shaking their asses and tryna emulate what they see on tv. Women on so-called "twerk" teams, and other women women who, like Painted said, compete with each other for the attention of a man in any way shape or form. Hollywood and society in general isn't doing that great a job to discourage it either (i.e Nicky Minaj and Rhianna. I'm not hating on them. I just don't think they're making the situation any better.)

Whenever I see a woman in complete slut wear, or in some ass-shaking video, I think to myself, suffragettes didn't march in the streets for you to shake your ass to some poorly produced, poorly written rap song. Unless it's Halloween, why not have some dignity in yourself? Being sexy is not the same as being slutty.

This is why I say "ladies" (not women), are an extinct species, or they're bordering on extinction. No class whatsoever...

Although the movement of third wave feminism has opened doors for women to express themselves differently from one another, I feel that a lot of times some of the women take advantage of their freedom and rights too and end up segregating themselves or marginalizing themselves which leads to criticism from not just mainstream society, but their female counterparts. Although I agree women have a choice over what they do with their bodies and can sometimes see why they may turn to certain professions as a last resort, I do also think there are other options to explore though I know all could not afford the education or time to fix their situation. Also, I really want to see a female president in my lifetime like Hilary Clinton to see how it would play out, and though I believe in equality, I believe that female brains need more credit these days, and there are many practical women out there as much as the petty ones, and even a mixture.

alphastreet said:

Although the movement of third wave feminism has opened doors for women to express themselves differently from one another, I feel that a lot of times some of the women take advantage of their freedom and rights too and end up segregating themselves or marginalizing themselves which leads to criticism from not just mainstream society, but their female counterparts. Although I agree women have a choice over what they do with their bodies and can sometimes see why they may turn to certain professions as a last resort, I do also think there are other options to explore though I know all could not afford the education or time to fix their situation. Also, I really want to see a female president in my lifetime like Hilary Clinton to see how it would play out, and though I believe in equality, I believe that female brains need more credit these days, and there are many practical women out there as much as the petty ones, and even a mixture.

people keep sayin "...as a last resort"

i know women who do a myriad of things

BECAUSE THEY WANT TO

so then a few people have said, women

should do want they wanna do BUT

they shouldn't do that, it makes them look nasty,

slutty, undignified, whutever.

sometimes people wanna do whut they wanna do...

KingBAD said:

alphastreet said:

Although the movement of third wave feminism has opened doors for women to express themselves differently from one another, I feel that a lot of times some of the women take advantage of their freedom and rights too and end up segregating themselves or marginalizing themselves which leads to criticism from not just mainstream society, but their female counterparts. Although I agree women have a choice over what they do with their bodies and can sometimes see why they may turn to certain professions as a last resort, I do also think there are other options to explore though I know all could not afford the education or time to fix their situation. Also, I really want to see a female president in my lifetime like Hilary Clinton to see how it would play out, and though I believe in equality, I believe that female brains need more credit these days, and there are many practical women out there as much as the petty ones, and even a mixture.

people keep sayin "...as a last resort"

i know women who do a myriad of things

BECAUSE THEY WANT TO

so then a few people have said, women

should do want they wanna do BUT

they shouldn't do that, it makes them look nasty,

slutty, undignified, whutever.

sometimes people wanna do whut they wanna do...

I know people like that too, but one has to wonder what made them feel like that and who made them believe that's all they should do? Media was named as a factor already in this thread, but I think upbringing and trying to fit into society is part of it as well.

tinaz said:

I think if women want to be treated as equals to men then they need to stop expecting special treatment and crying whenever something doesnt go their way... I dont want to see things changed FOR women, I want to see women change themselves...

Stop trying to get a separate set of rules for womanhood if you think you wanna play with the boys...

I seriously just gained so much respect for you as a human being. You don't even know.

I think every woman who counts herself as a "feminist" should be required to read Cerebus in it's entirety.

Well we can hope...

One day men can stop killing women when they don't get their way also.

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[Edited 5/18/12 19:57pm]

TD3 said:

Well we can hope...

One day men can stop killing women when they don't get their way also.

What? And... oh... never mind....

i would like 2 c men have babies

come on its 2012 someone invent something already!!!!

and when they do - who's up 4 it?????

i'll b the mum

Cerebus said:

tinaz said:

I think if women want to be treated as equals to men then they need to stop expecting special treatment and crying whenever something doesnt go their way... I dont want to see things changed FOR women, I want to see women change themselves...

Stop trying to get a separate set of rules for womanhood if you think you wanna play with the boys...

I seriously just gained so much respect for you as a human being. You don't even know.

For women in the workplace, it's still about looks not deeds

http://lifeinc.today.msnb...deeds?lite

For women and their careers, it’s often not about what they do but how they look. More proof of that came last week.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made headlines around the world not for anything she did but because she appeared without makeup on a trip to Bangladesh.

“Hillary Clinton addresses ‘au naturale’ liberation,” said political blog The Drudge Report, while trend site Styleite.com declared that Clinton “just wants to be normal and do things like wear her hair in a scrunchie, party with her girlfriends and go out without a stitch of makeup.”

The kicker was England’s Daily Mail, which said Clinton’s moment sans makeup made her look “tired and withdrawn.”

Similarly former News International CEO Rebekah Brooks drew angry comments Friday not just for her role in a phone hacking scandal but for her appearance, especially her curly red hair, when she testified before a British government inquiry led by Lord Justice Leveson.

AFP/Getty Images

Former News International CEO Rebekah Brooks, testifies at the Leveson Inquiry.

Here are some of the popular Brooks tweets for the day:

• A date for your diary / Rebekah Brooks, at the inquiry / Hair and temperament, fiery / Words, liary
• Rebekah Brooks. We get it. You have lots of curly red hair, but wearing Orphan Annie's dress to the Leveson hearing? Seriously?

There’s even a Facebook page dedicated to Brooks' hair, called Rebekah Brook's hair is s...f secrets.

It goes to show that no matter how high up in business or politics a woman gets — or how hard she falls — in the end the focus is often about how she looks and not what she does.

“We’re still held to a double standard,” said Jennifer Siebel Newsom, who produced the 2011 documentary “Miss Representation” about the underrepresentation of women in powerful positions.

“It’s tragic,” she said. “We have an obsession with women’s looks. Unfortunately our culture has bought into this whole double standard that a women’s value is her beauty not her capacity to lead.”

The Look: Hillary Clinton...out makeup

Women certainly feel the pressure to look good. Nearly half of women don’t feel good about themselves unless they’re wearing makeup, according to a study released this year by the Renfrew Center Foundation, a nonprofit that focuses on eating disorder research and treatment.

The online study, conducted by Harris Interactive for Renfrew, polled nearly 1,300 adult women and found 44 percent "have negative feelings when they are not wearing makeup," including feeling self-conscious, unattractive or that something is missing. Only 3 percent said going without makeup made them feel more attractive.

“Wearing makeup to enhance one’s appearance is normal in our society and often a rite of passage for young women,” said Adrienne Ressler, national training director for Renfrew and a body image expert. “There is concern, however, when makeup no longer becomes a tool for enhancement but rather a security blanket that conceals negative feelings about one’s self-image and self-esteem.”

Many women trying to climb the ladder of success believe they need to enhance their looks or face career doom.

“This goes to the heart of what we still see in the work world today,” said Nancy Mellard, general counsel for business services company CBIZ, which offers a program to develop of women professionals through focused leadership, mentoring and networking. “Whether you’re coming up the career path or at the height of your career like Clinton, we still see women, certainly more than men, judged on appearance not accomplishments.”

While blatant discrimination in the workplace is less common than it was 20 years ago, she said, there are still subtle biases that may be hardest to combat.

TODAY Style: Kathie Lee, ...ir faces)

One study sponsored by the Women’s Media Center and She Should Run, a group advocating for more women in public leadership, found that sexist comments about female candidates, including critiques on appearance, lead voters to question how effective they would be.

Often the people bashing how women look are other women. “We’re some of the worst,” Mellard said.

Newsom agreed. “It speaks to our own insecurities. We are complicit and have also bought into this, and the only way to change things is for women to start seeing each other more as sisters and supporting, not judging each other.”

Judging each other based on looks, however, is a reality we all have to face because there’s a "beauty benefit" for men as well as women in the workplace.

“Research by economists has shown that ‘beautiful people’, both men and women, have higher pay than less attractive people, holding constant many other factors about the individuals,” said Anne York, associate professor of economics at Meredith College’s School of Business. “So it really does pay for everyone to look good for work.”

“In the case of Hillary Clinton, though, it was quite ridiculous to me that when she went with a natural face, which millions of men do every day, that it made the news with close-up photos of her face," she added. " While her appearance made a lot of news, I don’t think that is necessarily bad if it can start a conversation on accepting more women with a natural appearance.”

Of course, men can fall victim to image-bashing as well.

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg’s hoodie has been a hot topic on social media lately. But unlike attacks on Clinton’s face or Brooks’ hair, there’s little fear hoodiegate will undermine the main power base in the business world today – rich white guys.

ThisOne said:

i would like 2 c men have babies

come on its 2012 someone invent something already!!!!

and when they do - who's up 4 it?????

i'll b the mum

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Cerebus said:

I think every woman who counts herself as a "feminist" should be required to read Cerebus in it's entirety.

And next to that, what do you think women should change?

Just out of curiousity, do you notice differences in subjects that concerns heterosexual women compared to homosexual women? I can imaging that experiencing men in family life or the work space create a very different view and priority.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

HotGritz said:

equal pay for equal work

elimination of female firemen

the government/church off our backs about birth control and abortion

elimination of violence in porn (no beating, spitting, gang raping shit)

more women in politics - we're better at managing money than men anyway

elimination of jealousy over stupid shit. really? u mad cuz she got the same dress as you?

elimination of putting men on faulty pedastels. really? u hate him when he's with you but in front of your friends he's a god?

elimination of hookers. seriously, when are women going to stop taking the easy route and use their brains to make money. Mark Zuckerberg has Facebook, Jack Dorsey has Twitter, Bill Gates has Microsoft, Steve Jobs had Apple....I can't name one woman who is a major inventor/innovator in the tech world. NOT ONE! Oh but I can name bitches on the cover of Vogue and Maxim.

I don't think prostitution or modeling is the real problem. After all, it's only a select group of women who resort to that kind of work.

I think, as women, we have regressed just as much as we've progressed. For all the progress we've made for the 20th century, from the right to vote, to the right to determine what we can do with our bodies (that's still up for debate), I'm seeing youtube videos of young girls (like 13-14 even) shaking their asses and tryna emulate what they see on tv. Women on so-called "twerk" teams, and other women women who, like Painted said, compete with each other for the attention of a man in any way shape or form. Hollywood and society in general isn't doing that great a job to discourage it either (i.e Nicky Minaj and Rhianna. I'm not hating on them. I just don't think they're making the situation any better.)

Whenever I see a woman in complete slut wear, or in some ass-shaking video, I think to myself, suffragettes didn't march in the streets for you to shake your ass to some poorly produced, poorly written rap song. Unless it's Halloween, why not have some dignity in yourself? Being sexy is not the same as being slutty.

This is why I say "ladies" (not women), are an extinct species, or they're bordering on extinction. No class whatsoever...

Well, I don't care if women want to sexually expose themselves. The only thing that I'm angry about, is that by wearing airy clothing, women are not taken serious. Neither are the ones who are powerdressing btw. No matter what they wear, they will not be in charge because they are women. Not because of what they wear.

I do detest the idea that young girls copy the idea that they can only be loved when they dress extremely sexy so boys are interested in them. I wished girls would grow up thinking that what they do for themselves and build up for themselves makes them happy. In stead of meeting the sexual demands of men and measure their worth by the numbers of men who want to have sex with them.

XxAxX said:

For women in the workplace, it's still about looks not deeds

http://lifeinc.today.msnb...deeds?lite

By Eve Tahmincioglu

For women and their careers, it’s often not about what they do but how they look. More proof of that came last week.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made headlines around the world not for anything she did but because she appeared without makeup on a trip to Bangladesh.

“Hillary Clinton addresses ‘au naturale’ liberation,” said political blog The Drudge Report, while trend site Styleite.com declared that Clinton “just wants to be normal and do things like wear her hair in a scrunchie, party with her girlfriends and go out without a stitch of makeup.”

The kicker was England’s Daily Mail, which said Clinton’s moment sans makeup made her look “tired and withdrawn.”

Similarly former News International CEO Rebekah Brooks drew angry comments Friday not just for her role in a phone hacking scandal but for her appearance, especially her curly red hair, when she testified before a British government inquiry led by Lord Justice Leveson.

AFP/Getty Images

Former News International CEO Rebekah Brooks, testifies at the Leveson Inquiry.

Here are some of the popular Brooks tweets for the day:

• A date for your diary / Rebekah Brooks, at the inquiry / Hair and temperament, fiery / Words, liary
• Rebekah Brooks. We get it. You have lots of curly red hair, but wearing Orphan Annie's dress to the Leveson hearing? Seriously?

There’s even a Facebook page dedicated to Brooks' hair, called Rebekah Brook's hair is s...f secrets.

It goes to show that no matter how high up in business or politics a woman gets — or how hard she falls — in the end the focus is often about how she looks and not what she does.

“We’re still held to a double standard,” said Jennifer Siebel Newsom, who produced the 2011 documentary “Miss Representation” about the underrepresentation of women in powerful positions.

“It’s tragic,” she said. “We have an obsession with women’s looks. Unfortunately our culture has bought into this whole double standard that a women’s value is her beauty not her capacity to lead.”

The Look: Hillary Clinton...out makeup

Women certainly feel the pressure to look good. Nearly half of women don’t feel good about themselves unless they’re wearing makeup, according to a study released this year by the Renfrew Center Foundation, a nonprofit that focuses on eating disorder research and treatment.

The online study, conducted by Harris Interactive for Renfrew, polled nearly 1,300 adult women and found 44 percent "have negative feelings when they are not wearing makeup," including feeling self-conscious, unattractive or that something is missing. Only 3 percent said going without makeup made them feel more attractive.

“Wearing makeup to enhance one’s appearance is normal in our society and often a rite of passage for young women,” said Adrienne Ressler, national training director for Renfrew and a body image expert. “There is concern, however, when makeup no longer becomes a tool for enhancement but rather a security blanket that conceals negative feelings about one’s self-image and self-esteem.”

Many women trying to climb the ladder of success believe they need to enhance their looks or face career doom.

“This goes to the heart of what we still see in the work world today,” said Nancy Mellard, general counsel for business services company CBIZ, which offers a program to develop of women professionals through focused leadership, mentoring and networking. “Whether you’re coming up the career path or at the height of your career like Clinton, we still see women, certainly more than men, judged on appearance not accomplishments.”

While blatant discrimination in the workplace is less common than it was 20 years ago, she said, there are still subtle biases that may be hardest to combat.

TODAY Style: Kathie Lee, ...ir faces)

One study sponsored by the Women’s Media Center and She Should Run, a group advocating for more women in public leadership, found that sexist comments about female candidates, including critiques on appearance, lead voters to question how effective they would be.

Often the people bashing how women look are other women. “We’re some of the worst,” Mellard said.

Newsom agreed. “It speaks to our own insecurities. We are complicit and have also bought into this, and the only way to change things is for women to start seeing each other more as sisters and supporting, not judging each other.”

TODAY's Kathie Lee Gifford and Hoda Kotb have nothing to hide. The co-hosts bare it all and wear no makeup on the show. See who else is exposed without makeup.

Judging each other based on looks, however, is a reality we all have to face because there’s a "beauty benefit" for men as well as women in the workplace.

“Research by economists has shown that ‘beautiful people’, both men and women, have higher pay than less attractive people, holding constant many other factors about the individuals,” said Anne York, associate professor of economics at Meredith College’s School of Business. “So it really does pay for everyone to look good for work.”

“In the case of Hillary Clinton, though, it was quite ridiculous to me that when she went with a natural face, which millions of men do every day, that it made the news with close-up photos of her face," she added. " While her appearance made a lot of news, I don’t think that is necessarily bad if it can start a conversation on accepting more women with a natural appearance.”

Of course, men can fall victim to image-bashing as well.

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg’s hoodie has been a hot topic on social media lately. But unlike attacks on Clinton’s face or Brooks’ hair, there’s little fear hoodiegate will undermine the main power base in the business world today – rich white guys.

Yes, looooong way to go.

Natasha Walter wrote a book that I think every woman should read;

http://www.guardian.co.uk...sha-walter

alphastreet said:

KingBAD said:

people keep sayin "...as a last resort"

i know women who do a myriad of things

BECAUSE THEY WANT TO

so then a few people have said, women

should do want they wanna do BUT

they shouldn't do that, it makes them look nasty,

slutty, undignified, whutever.

sometimes people wanna do whut they wanna do...

I know people like that too, but one has to wonder what made them feel like that and who made them believe that's all they should do? Media was named as a factor already in this thread, but I think upbringing and trying to fit into society is part of it as well.

What I want to know is what is effective right now to change the structural degradation of women?

dJJ said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

I don't think prostitution or modeling is the real problem. After all, it's only a select group of women who resort to that kind of work.

I think, as women, we have regressed just as much as we've progressed. For all the progress we've made for the 20th century, from the right to vote, to the right to determine what we can do with our bodies (that's still up for debate), I'm seeing youtube videos of young girls (like 13-14 even) shaking their asses and tryna emulate what they see on tv. Women on so-called "twerk" teams, and other women women who, like Painted said, compete with each other for the attention of a man in any way shape or form. Hollywood and society in general isn't doing that great a job to discourage it either (i.e Nicky Minaj and Rhianna. I'm not hating on them. I just don't think they're making the situation any better.)

Whenever I see a woman in complete slut wear, or in some ass-shaking video, I think to myself, suffragettes didn't march in the streets for you to shake your ass to some poorly produced, poorly written rap song. Unless it's Halloween, why not have some dignity in yourself? Being sexy is not the same as being slutty.

This is why I say "ladies" (not women), are an extinct species, or they're bordering on extinction. No class whatsoever...

Well, I don't care if women want to sexually expose themselves. The only thing that I'm angry about, is that by wearing airy clothing, women are not taken serious. (That's essentially what I was trying to get at with my previous post). Neither are the ones who are powerdressing btw. No matter what they wear, they will not be in charge because they are women. (I'm sorry, but I can't believe this. There are many women in this world who are "in-charge" and respected). Not because of what they wear.

I do detest the idea that young girls copy the idea that they can only be loved when they dress extremely sexy so boys are interested in them. I wished girls would grow up thinking that what they do for themselves and build up for themselves makes them happy. In stead of meeting the sexual demands of men and measure their worth by the numbers of men who want to have sex with them. (You and me both)

dJJ said:

alphastreet said:

I know people like that too, but one has to wonder what made them feel like that and who made them believe that's all they should do? Media was named as a factor already in this thread, but I think upbringing and trying to fit into society is part of it as well.

What I want to know is what is effective right now to change the structural degradation of women?

it's the same answer as all qwestions of change

if i wanna see a better world i start with a change in me...

dJJ said:

Cerebus said:

I think every woman who counts herself as a "feminist" should be required to read Cerebus in it's entirety.

And next to that, what do you think women should change?

Just out of curiousity, do you notice differences in subjects that concerns heterosexual women compared to homosexual women? I can imaging that experiencing men in family life or the work space create a very different view and priority.

I think exactly what tinaz said; if women WANT to change then work on making change, rather than making rules/laws that make those changes for you, or force those changes upon others. That is the major difference between the origins of feminism and what feminism means now. A girl growing up now is led to believe that she deserves special treatment simply because she has a vagina, which is complete and utter nonsense.

Also, don't think for one second that the appearance (attractiveness, weight, clothing, teeth, quality and color of complexion) of a man doesn't make a difference. It does, and it always has.

Edit: Holy crap I totally spelled complexion wrong.

[Edited 5/20/12 14:38pm]

dJJ said:

1. Just out of curiousity, do you notice differences in subjects that concerns heterosexual women compared to homosexual women?

2. I can imaging that experiencing men in family life or the work space create a very different view and priority.

I wanted to address these seperately.

1. I cannot speak for women and I think that's a question hetero/homosexual women could answer far better than I.

I will say this; living in the bay area for the last 25 years, even though I beieve an unfair sense of entitlement has become pervasive in all forms of "feminism", to my eyes there is a certain type of gay woman who seems more willing to just put their heads down and work hard for the changes they want, including legislation issues. The flipside of that is that they pretty much ignore and/or disregard men completely while doing so. But really, that's fine, because it should be about what's best for them, not what's different about them.

2. I hate kids. I have a very small family. As such, I don't have much to contribute to that part of the conversation.

But as a straight, white, male living in the Bay Area, I can tell you that there are an awful lot of people out their claiming they "need" "deserve" "have a right" to special treatment that I will NEVER be afforded. Some people will claim that's how it should be, based on a history which I have absolutely NOTHING to do wth. I say bullshit. We are all human beings and we should all be afforded the legal rights provided us under the Constitution, State and Federal law.

I could take that further and get into moral and ethical issues, but I want breakfast now.

dJJ said:

alphastreet said:

I know people like that too, but one has to wonder what made them feel like that and who made them believe that's all they should do? Media was named as a factor already in this thread, but I think upbringing and trying to fit into society is part of it as well.

What I want to know is what is effective right now to change the structural degradation of women?

I don't see it changing anytime soon, and it makes me sad too cause of all the opportunities and services available that can empower them, but workers, lobbyists, the government etc. can only do so much. No one can solve problems but individuals.

Some of what I've read sounds like the same drivel I heard as young girl in the 60's when the white majority whined about "their way of life coming to an end." Oh well. I haven't read one post listing specific entitlements some think women have unduly gained.

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[Edited 5/21/12 4:27am]

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

HotGritz said:

equal pay for equal work

elimination of female firemen

the government/church off our backs about birth control and abortion

elimination of violence in porn (no beating, spitting, gang raping shit)

more women in politics - we're better at managing money than men anyway

elimination of jealousy over stupid shit. really? u mad cuz she got the same dress as you?

elimination of putting men on faulty pedastels. really? u hate him when he's with you but in front of your friends he's a god?

elimination of hookers. seriously, when are women going to stop taking the easy route and use their brains to make money. Mark Zuckerberg has Facebook, Jack Dorsey has Twitter, Bill Gates has Microsoft, Steve Jobs had Apple....I can't name one woman who is a major inventor/innovator in the tech world. NOT ONE! Oh but I can name bitches on the cover of Vogue and Maxim.

I don't think prostitution or modeling is the real problem. After all, it's only a select group of women who resort to that kind of work.

I think, as women, we have regressed just as much as we've progressed. For all the progress we've made for the 20th century, from the right to vote, to the right to determine what we can do with our bodies (that's still up for debate), I'm seeing youtube videos of young girls (like 13-14 even) shaking their asses and tryna emulate what they see on tv. Women on so-called "twerk" teams, and other women women who, like Painted said, compete with each other for the attention of a man in any way shape or form. Hollywood and society in general isn't doing that great a job to discourage it either (i.e Nicky Minaj and Rhianna. I'm not hating on them. I just don't think they're making the situation any better.)

Whenever I see a woman in complete slut wear, or in some ass-shaking video, I think to myself, suffragettes didn't march in the streets for you to shake your ass to some poorly produced, poorly written rap song. Unless it's Halloween, why not have some dignity in yourself? Being sexy is not the same as being slutty.

This is why I say "ladies" (not women), are an extinct species, or they're bordering on extinction. No class whatsoever...

Sad but true. It seesm as if women in general don't put as much emphasis on becoming the next big CEO of a tech or investment firm as they do on becoming the wife of the next big CEO. I think too many women in general care more about their looks than their brains and care more about how men perceive them than how they should perceive themselves. There are just too few classy, intelligent, successful and upstanding women out there making the headlines and being role models for the next generation.

HotGritz said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

I don't think prostitution or modeling is the real problem. After all, it's only a select group of women who resort to that kind of work.

I think, as women, we have regressed just as much as we've progressed. For all the progress we've made for the 20th century, from the right to vote, to the right to determine what we can do with our bodies (that's still up for debate), I'm seeing youtube videos of young girls (like 13-14 even) shaking their asses and tryna emulate what they see on tv. Women on so-called "twerk" teams, and other women women who, like Painted said, compete with each other for the attention of a man in any way shape or form. Hollywood and society in general isn't doing that great a job to discourage it either (i.e Nicky Minaj and Rhianna. I'm not hating on them. I just don't think they're making the situation any better.)

Whenever I see a woman in complete slut wear, or in some ass-shaking video, I think to myself, suffragettes didn't march in the streets for you to shake your ass to some poorly produced, poorly written rap song. Unless it's Halloween, why not have some dignity in yourself? Being sexy is not the same as being slutty.

This is why I say "ladies" (not women), are an extinct species, or they're bordering on extinction. No class whatsoever...

Sad but true. It seesm as if women in general don't put as much emphasis on becoming the next big CEO of a tech or investment firm as they do on becoming the wife of the next big CEO. I think too many women in general care more about their looks than their brains and care more about how men perceive them than how they should perceive themselves. There are just too few classy, intelligent, successful and upstanding women out there making the headlines and being role models for the next generation.

Exactly! I agree with both of you.

Why did feminism evolve into a free sex party for men instead of more dignity by indepency by women.

I know that in my life I have been confronted with men that disenmantle unnotecably. When I start noticing, I was already to late.

What is shocking to me is that it seems girls and women don't care about it.

dJJ said:

HotGritz said:

Sad but true. It seesm as if women in general don't put as much emphasis on becoming the next big CEO of a tech or investment firm as they do on becoming the wife of the next big CEO. I think too many women in general care more about their looks than their brains and care more about how men perceive them than how they should perceive themselves. There are just too few classy, intelligent, successful and upstanding women out there making the headlines and being role models for the next generation.

Exactly! I agree with both of you.

Why did feminism evolve into a free sex party for men instead of more dignity by indepency by women.

I know that in my life I have been confronted with men that disenmantle unnotecably. When I start noticing, I was already to late.

What is shocking to me is that it seems girls and women don't care about it.

'slut wear' is whutever a slut wears

from tweed suits to sizzlers it don't matter

you can catch sluts in nun habits because

theri slutty nuns on the DL

i grew up with prudes who wore damn near nothin

because they didn't like to be constrained with

over dressin, if they could have walked around

nekkid they would have done so, and as free as they were

somebody would have and did call them whoes.

now why is that? it wasn't like they were fuckin anybody

nor is it like they did harm to anyone and as lovely as

they were/are they are qwite capable of handlin anyone who

may get the impression that they are ASKIN FOR IT.

one of them has only been with one person in her life

and still lookin like a teenager and scantly dressed.

whut is she doin wrong???

It is unthinkable to me that we are still talking about sexism. But if all the problems associated with them are not changed we can't help but to talk about it, right? In my opinion, pop culture and the media doesn’t simply provide passive entertainment or neutral information...it contributes to how people read and understand the world. The sad thing is that even today pop culture is much too often socially detrimental in that images of racism and sexism are all over the media. It’s what our daughters grow up with…Bad Girls Club, Housewives of whatever county, 16 and Pregnant…they grow up thinking women are supposed to act that way. Advertising is even worse. Most people think that advertising has no influence on them and this is what advertisers want us to believe. Yet they spend billions on something that has no influence on us?? Right…

Anyway, I’ll probably be dead before institutionalized sexism (or racism) ends…I can only hope my great-great-great granddaughters see its death.

Instead of allowing our children to watch these sexist shows and contributing even more to the sexist state of society, we need to be reading this to our daughters AND our sons...especially in the wake of the men who now think they KNOW what we should do with our bodies and are trying to control women yet again.

A Message to Girls About Religious Men Who Fear You

Soraya Chemaly

05/21/2012 12:31 pm

[Edited 5/22/12 13:37pm]

^ beautiful

XxAxX said:

^ beautiful

whut did it say?

and please keep it short

KingBAD said:

XxAxX said:

^ beautiful

whut did it say?

and please keep it short

it rails at religious organizations like the catholic church for investigating the girl scouts while shielding child molesters; it makes the point that women are debased and treated like substandard beings for the purpose of maintaining a corrupt, religiously based, power structure run by men who don't want women to become equal.

nothing new, but powerfully stated

XxAxX said:

KingBAD said:

whut did it say?

and please keep it short

it rails at religious organizations like the catholic church for investigating the girl scouts while shielding child molesters; it makes the point that women are debased and treated like substandard beings for the purpose of maintaining a corrupt, religiously based, power structure run by men who don't want women to become equal.

nothing new, but powerfully stated

oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy, it rails..