KingBAD said:

the thing is

blacks, women, latinos, gays, and bi-racials

all give themselves these titles of bein 'minorities

when the truth of the matter is that none of us

can really be concidered a minority any more.

it's that sense of thinkin one is a minority that is

the key to bein kept in a certain place in life

others of the same group will actually hold back

the more free of the group holdin to the "we are weak"

banner. and that is the crux of the battle.

most battle are lost not by bein beaten from

without, but by bein beaten from with in.

so when bitches are comfterble callin one another bitches

some will say it takes away from their cause, when in

truth, it's whut give them solidarity.

we already know whut blacks hold each other back for...

WOMEN

don't sweat whut anyone thinks of you

DO YOU!!!

most of the people around you are gonna disagree

about you doin you nomatter whut side you on

so, do you

Women are not a minority.

And I don't think women think of themselves as weak.

I think that men are in power postions and in very subtle and unsubtle ways make sure that they keep that power away from women.

What surprises me is that women don't seem to really care. The sort of adjust themselves in that fate without resistance.

I wished women would resist and fight more, and not be afraid to be called a feminist by man. And not be afraid to hold their grounds.

What do you think would work, KingBad?

I think you might have some good ideas, please spill them here.

KingBAD said:

less shoes

more babies

more kitchen skills

lil less conversation

more hoptoitness

more multi taskin

less mouth about it

remember their place

a baby on each hip

better timin, dinner

should never be late

and would a "yes sir"

be too much to ask

durin sex

this is not gonna go well, is it???

alphastreet said:

I remember when Hilary Clinton was running for president and it was a topic on a different (non political) board, I was shocked at the number of women who said she should not run because of being a woman alone. And these were Americans. I preferred Obama too, but I found out sad that women can't support one another or allow others to break barriers.

Makes me sad hearing that about women in China, a friend of mine was dating a girl from there who was studying here and was telling me about how powerless her family made her feel about everything.

Advocacy for women during feminist movements have led to rape laws being put into place (even for after marriage, it wasn't like that before), maternity benefits, employment equity and so forth and I agree that today there are different types of feminism and many may disagree with one another on what it is

Yeah, I remember somebody saying to me, the world really can't handle women taking the lead. They'd rather have a black man than a white women. Meaning that eventhough racism determines voting behaviour, gender is even more important than color.

It's as if everybody pretends that women can attain the same level of financial stability and power as men have. However, in reality women know that's not true. However, they don't talk about it. As if they feel it is their own personal mistake in stead of a general problem.

Steadwood said:

They should be able to walk down the street bare chested just like a fella

...In fact they should HAVE to walk down the street bare chested

XxAxX said:

Steadwood said:

They should be able to walk down the street bare chested just like a fella

...In fact they should HAVE to walk down the street bare chested

Ah, there's a sister taking up the arms.

You slap them, babe!

i'd like to see a world where women are paid the same as their male peers for equal jobs

and a world where violence against women is not so widespread and marginalized

XxAxX said:

i'd like to see a world where women are paid the same as their male peers for equal jobs

and a world where violence against women is not so widespread and marginalized

I feel people in professions to eradicate barriers due to oppression and violence are underpaid too for all the emotions and time put in. The same goes for nurses, who end up doing more work than the doctors so many times or working overtime, but striking doesn't come easily for all professions like that since services may be needed 24 hours a day.

dJJ said:

KingBAD said:

the thing is

blacks, women, latinos, gays, and bi-racials

all give themselves these titles of bein 'minorities

when the truth of the matter is that none of us

can really be concidered a minority any more.

it's that sense of thinkin one is a minority that is

the key to bein kept in a certain place in life

others of the same group will actually hold back

the more free of the group holdin to the "we are weak"

banner. and that is the crux of the battle.

most battle are lost not by bein beaten from

without, but by bein beaten from with in.

so when bitches are comfterble callin one another bitches

some will say it takes away from their cause, when in

truth, it's whut give them solidarity.

we already know whut blacks hold each other back for...

WOMEN

don't sweat whut anyone thinks of you

DO YOU!!!

most of the people around you are gonna disagree

about you doin you nomatter whut side you on

so, do you

Women are not a minority.

And I don't think women think of themselves as weak.

I think that men are in power postions and in very subtle and unsubtle ways make sure that they keep that power away from women.

What surprises me is that women don't seem to really care. The sort of adjust themselves in that fate without resistance.

I wished women would resist and fight more, and not be afraid to be called a feminist by man. And not be afraid to hold their grounds.

What do you think would work, KingBad?

I think you might have some good ideas, please spill them here.

i think the same with all oppressed people

esspeacially BLACKs, because in just about every way

each of us is in a simular position. We Are Not Minorities

yet when we go about our struggles and srtifes we let those

in power keep us seperated on minor differences.

(whut we do to express ourselves)

if a woman chooses the barefoot pregnant role

she's looked on be the fems as weak and brainwashed

when in fact she IS exerting her freedom as a woman

to have babies, and maybe not with ONE man BY DESIGN.

her perogative.

we as people seekin freedoms or equalities in a society

the seems to want not part of 'active changes' in that society

need be more accepting of who we are as INDIVIDUALS.

bein PRO GRESSIVE is seekin change in whut ever from

that progression takes for that individual

(rap, art, word/paint/whutever media)

expression of ones freedoms is theirs...

not every one wants to go with the flow as

group and that doesnt make them any less

of a freedom fighter.

hookers have their place as do any-one else

but let a woman say she is free to be a hooker

and watch the looks and actions of those around

that DON'T FEEL she has that right

the battles are within, not without...

and yes i'm bein serious

but i have my own views that don't

nessisarily fit the dianamics of others

i would think myself a free thinker of sorts

however biased i may be because of

personal history and experiences in this society...

and i've always known of the power of the pussy

Visionnaire said:

Many women have suffered greatly to get the status & freedom's that they have today.
It's high time that we started building the kind of society where they need suffer no more.
I say we should do everything we can to put at end to women's suffrage now.

So...you think women should no longer have the vote?

KingBAD said:

dJJ said:

Women are not a minority.

And I don't think women think of themselves as weak.

I think that men are in power postions and in very subtle and unsubtle ways make sure that they keep that power away from women.

What surprises me is that women don't seem to really care. The sort of adjust themselves in that fate without resistance.

I wished women would resist and fight more, and not be afraid to be called a feminist by man. And not be afraid to hold their grounds.

What do you think would work, KingBad?

I think you might have some good ideas, please spill them here.

i think the same with all oppressed people

esspeacially BLACKs, because in just about every way

each of us is in a simular position. We Are Not Minorities

yet when we go about our struggles and srtifes we let those

in power keep us seperated on minor differences.

(whut we do to express ourselves)

if a woman chooses the barefoot pregnant role

she's looked on be the fems as weak and brainwashed

when in fact she IS exerting her freedom as a woman

to have babies, and maybe not with ONE man BY DESIGN.

her perogative.

we as people seekin freedoms or equalities in a society

the seems to want not part of 'active changes' in that society

need be more accepting of who we are as INDIVIDUALS.

bein PRO GRESSIVE is seekin change in whut ever from

that progression takes for that individual

(rap, art, word/paint/whutever media)

expression of ones freedoms is theirs...

not every one wants to go with the flow as

group and that doesnt make them any less

of a freedom fighter.

hookers have their place as do any-one else

but let a woman say she is free to be a hooker

and watch the looks and actions of those around

that DON'T FEEL she has that right

the battles are within, not without...

and yes i'm bein serious

but i have my own views that don't

nessisarily fit the dianamics of others

i would think myself a free thinker of sorts

however biased i may be because of

personal history and experiences in this society...

and i've always known of the power of the pussy

wise words Kind BAD. i agree, and thanks for sharing your perspective. i've always thought black people in general and women in general have a lot of common territory when it comes to having doors closed in our faces. sad but true.

the longer i live the more i come to see that humans will always find one way or another to compartmentalize and minimalize each other. there will always be an elite power group controlling as much as they can of the world and it wealth and resources. which means there will always be 'women' and 'black people' classes to be the underdogs.

and we do the same to each other, when it comes to mindsets. for better or for worse when we aren't battling a corrupt power elite, we're sniping at one another. we group ourselves and each other by stereotypes and definitions. we're just that way. humans are kinda silly.

i like that you say a woman should be free to become a hooker. i'm in favor of legalizing the oldest profession too

dJJ said:

Despite feminism, what kind of things still withold women in society today?

What would you want to see changed for women?

I'm just curious what kind of issues are on women's minds and what they would want to see differently.

Foremost in my mind.. sexual and physical violence against women is still seen as acceptable in the US and around the world. Of course equal pay,child care, the right to choose, and reproductive rights or still an issue in the US as in many parts of the world. Laws are only effective if they are enforced and laws against sexual and physical violence against women are still applied at best, arbitrarily.That is, if there any laws on the books at all to enforce.

Institutional power and violence keep women back. The power to say no to sexual advances or a proposal to marriage can get women killed. The choice to terminate an unwanted pregnanacy or to take birth control. The power to recieve an education and/or secondary education, to have a job, or create a job are still denied many women on this earth. Crimes such as rape, disfiguring, honor/machismo killings, female gential mutilation, and female infanticide are all to common and not the exception.

Genesia said:

Visionnaire said:

Many women have suffered greatly to get the status & freedom's that they have today.
It's high time that we started building the kind of society where they need suffer no more.
I say we should do everything we can to put at end to women's suffrage now.

So...you think women should no longer have the vote?

!!!

What?
I couldn't hear you over the loud sounds of my fart.

TD3 said:

dJJ said:

Despite feminism, what kind of things still withold women in society today?

What would you want to see changed for women?

I'm just curious what kind of issues are on women's minds and what they would want to see differently.

Foremost in my mind.. sexual and physical violence against women is still seen as acceptable in the US and around the world. Of course equal pay,child care, the right to choose, and reproductive rights or still an issue in the US as in many parts of the world. Laws are only effective if they are enforced and laws against sexual and physical violence against women are still applied at best, arbitrarily.That is, if there any laws on the books at all to enforce.

Institutional power and violence keep women back. The power to say no to sexual advances or a proposal to marriage can get women killed. The choice to terminate an unwanted pregnanacy or to take birth control. The power to recieve an education and/or secondary education, to have a job, or create a job are still denied many women on this earth. Crimes such as rape, disfiguring, honor/machismo killings, female gential mutilation, and female infanticide are all to common and not the exception.

That's very true. Add to that how society and popular culture normalizes these behaviours towards women and how deeply ingrained it is into public consciousness, and the more it happens, the harder it is for many to realize there are barriers for many women in real life, and it could very well be those they know or acquaintances, and they are silenced and feeling ashamed to talk about it.

XxAxX said:

KingBAD said:

i think the same with all oppressed people

esspeacially BLACKs, because in just about every way

each of us is in a simular position. We Are Not Minorities

yet when we go about our struggles and srtifes we let those

in power keep us seperated on minor differences.

(whut we do to express ourselves)

if a woman chooses the barefoot pregnant role

she's looked on be the fems as weak and brainwashed

when in fact she IS exerting her freedom as a woman

to have babies, and maybe not with ONE man BY DESIGN.

her perogative.

we as people seekin freedoms or equalities in a society

the seems to want not part of 'active changes' in that society

need be more accepting of who we are as INDIVIDUALS.

bein PRO GRESSIVE is seekin change in whut ever from

that progression takes for that individual

(rap, art, word/paint/whutever media)

expression of ones freedoms is theirs...

not every one wants to go with the flow as

group and that doesnt make them any less

of a freedom fighter.

hookers have their place as do any-one else

but let a woman say she is free to be a hooker

and watch the looks and actions of those around

that DON'T FEEL she has that right

the battles are within, not without...

and yes i'm bein serious

but i have my own views that don't

nessisarily fit the dianamics of others

i would think myself a free thinker of sorts

however biased i may be because of

personal history and experiences in this society...

and i've always known of the power of the pussy

wise words Kind BAD. i agree, and thanks for sharing your perspective. i've always thought black people in general and women in general have a lot of common territory when it comes to having doors closed in our faces. sad but true.

the longer i live the more i come to see that humans will always find one way or another to compartmentalize and minimalize each other. there will always be an elite power group controlling as much as they can of the world and it wealth and resources. which means there will always be 'women' and 'black people' classes to be the underdogs.

and we do the same to each other, when it comes to mindsets. for better or for worse when we aren't battling a corrupt power elite, we're sniping at one another. we group ourselves and each other by stereotypes and definitions. we're just that way. humans are kinda silly.

i like that you say a woman should be free to become a hooker. i'm in favor of legalizing the oldest profession too

thank you,

there are only so many people on the org

that i apprieciate a compliment from and

you are NUMERO UNO!!!

uh,

shit...

i don't wanna have to buy the puddy

XxAxX said:

Steadwood said:

They should be able to walk down the street bare chested just like a fella

...In fact they should HAVE to walk down the street bare chested

dJJ said:

XxAxX said:

Ah, there's a sister taking up the arms.

You slap them, babe!

Sadly, despite many attempts to stop dicrimination based on gender, women are still dramatically underrepresented in the homosexual male sex industry.

Jagar said:

Sadly, despite many attempts to stop dicrimination based on gender, women are still dramatically underrepresented in the homosexual male sex industry.

Well, if it only concerned the domain of homosexual male sex industry, it really would not be much of an issue. Don't you agree with me?

If women would only be excluded in the gay male domains, women would be save, independent and free to fulfill and express their own needs. If all other domains would offer every possible oppurtunities for women, I could forgive the gay porn big guys for excluding the girls.

Let's not forget women are over-represented in heterosexual sex industry. Unfortunately, they are very well represented at the bottom of the money and power chain and non existant at the top. The men earn the money, rule the filmset and dictate the rules of all procedures. In addition, write and produce bad, boring dense and dumb scripts, lacking any sense of decent or exciting seduction nor showing women a grand sexual experience. It mainly evolves about girls reinforcing some ugly men's ego. Girls who will degrade themselves in silly poses and (hilarious stngy) moaning, so he can come. Class, awareness and sophistication are not the best selling points of porn, is it?

If women have the same opportunities as men in all other domains, inherently earn as much as men and would be in charge of decision making, women would not have to reside to the sex industry and endure the traumas that go with that. Than women did not need to lick hairy sagging balls and pretend to be excited about that, in order to survive.

Women in the boardroom wouldn't sponsor F-1 racing, football tournaments nor anorectic hostesses with silicon balloons in her body. Media would not be dominated by these kind of surrogate expressions for ancient foregone male strength.

I would be so happy if women's biggest treath to their savity and well being was the exclusion of gay male sex porn industry. I hope to live to experience that moment.

Jagar said:

Sadly, despite many attempts to stop dicrimination based on gender, women are still dramatically underrepresented in the homosexual male sex industry.

alphastreet said:

TD3 said:

Foremost in my mind.. sexual and physical violence against women is still seen as acceptable in the US and around the world. Of course equal pay,child care, the right to choose, and reproductive rights or still an issue in the US as in many parts of the world. Laws are only effective if they are enforced and laws against sexual and physical violence against women are still applied at best, arbitrarily.That is, if there any laws on the books at all to enforce.

Institutional power and violence keep women back. The power to say no to sexual advances or a proposal to marriage can get women killed. The choice to terminate an unwanted pregnanacy or to take birth control. The power to recieve an education and/or secondary education, to have a job, or create a job are still denied many women on this earth. Crimes such as rape, disfiguring, honor/machismo killings, female gential mutilation, and female infanticide are all to common and not the exception.

That's very true. Add to that how society and popular culture normalizes these behaviours towards women and how deeply ingrained it is into public consciousness, and the more it happens, the harder it is for many to realize there are barriers for many women in real life, and it could very well be those they know or acquaintances, and they are silenced and feeling ashamed to talk about it.

I find that interesting. Why do they not talk about it? By incorporating that false and wrong shame, they reinforce their suppression. Feeling shame instead of perplexion and disgust is a sign that girls incorporate the disrespect men show for them. They amplify the general idea of women being weak and easy to manipulate. Or is it merely a reflection women shouldn't be in charge, because the can't stand their ground?

Why feel ashamed in stead of angry? What makes women to not defend their own integrity?

I half heartedly joking have pronounced friends I decided to become a feminist.

The fact that I need to joke about it, in order to prevent getting ridiculed or yawned away, worries me. It is not accepted by society that girls stand up for themselves. They get typified as a boring party pooper. It's sad that girls choose to submit to that trend and accept getting degraded in popular culture, at the workplace and in the family home. Why do they silently succumb?

XxAxX said:

KingBAD said:

i think the same with all oppressed people

esspeacially BLACKs, because in just about every way

each of us is in a simular position. We Are Not Minorities

yet when we go about our struggles and srtifes we let those

in power keep us seperated on minor differences.

(whut we do to express ourselves)

if a woman chooses the barefoot pregnant role

she's looked on be the fems as weak and brainwashed

when in fact she IS exerting her freedom as a woman

to have babies, and maybe not with ONE man BY DESIGN.

her perogative.

we as people seekin freedoms or equalities in a society

the seems to want not part of 'active changes' in that society

need be more accepting of who we are as INDIVIDUALS.

bein PRO GRESSIVE is seekin change in whut ever from

that progression takes for that individual

(rap, art, word/paint/whutever media)

expression of ones freedoms is theirs...

not every one wants to go with the flow as

group and that doesnt make them any less

of a freedom fighter.

hookers have their place as do any-one else

but let a woman say she is free to be a hooker

and watch the looks and actions of those around

that DON'T FEEL she has that right

the battles are within, not without...

and yes i'm bein serious

but i have my own views that don't

nessisarily fit the dianamics of others

i would think myself a free thinker of sorts

however biased i may be because of

personal history and experiences in this society...

and i've always known of the power of the pussy

wise words Kind BAD. i agree, and thanks for sharing your perspective. i've always thought black people in general and women in general have a lot of common territory when it comes to having doors closed in our faces. sad but true.

the longer i live the more i come to see that humans will always find one way or another to compartmentalize and minimalize each other. there will always be an elite power group controlling as much as they can of the world and it wealth and resources. which means there will always be 'women' and 'black people' classes to be the underdogs.

and we do the same to each other, when it comes to mindsets. for better or for worse when we aren't battling a corrupt power elite, we're sniping at one another. we group ourselves and each other by stereotypes and definitions. we're just that way. humans are kinda silly.

i like that you say a woman should be free to become a hooker. i'm in favor of legalizing the oldest profession too

hookers have their place as do any-one else

but let a woman say she is free to be a hooker

and watch the looks and actions of those around

that DON'T FEEL she has that right

the battles are within, not without...

I hear men often explain that women lose every power struggle with men, because they don't back eachother up. I get the impression men don't own up to their global agressive exploitation of women ('s sexuality). They rather blame women for their own bad faith.

I doubt the 'crab' explanation. I have supported and been supported by many women.

I do think that men are masters in making their girl insecure about herself by insolently or subtely glorify other girls. Oftentimes he generates effect. Girlfriend fears his threat to leave her for other girl is serious. Feels panic and hurt because she believed to be in a save relation, however he expresses that she is not good enough for him. In stead of walking out of him and look for a man who does respect her, she starts to compete with his glory girl. And by that digging her own grave.

I think people feel overwhelmed by love and sexual attraction. They feel soft, fuzzy and fluffy inside. Men seem to interpret that vulnerability as weak. They fear losing that loving girl. Strangely that fear doesn't stimulate them to be good to their belove ones, it merely evokes them to emotionally manipulate their women in order to keep them close. To me that is a sign of weakness.

However, many girls aren't aware of the manipulation. What strikes me is that girls don't respond by leaving a man that disrespects them in that way and prefer a man that treats them well. The girl fll in love with a great guy, and is blind for his changed attitude. She stays with him when he turns into a manipulative commander. I really don't understand that.

Edit for orger who don't know me:

I know this is a generalisation of men. Men will be the first to tell me they are "the good ones" and not all men are bad. I know men are not all the same. However, I describe a frequent observed mechanism. Please don't go there by attacking me on that.

[Edited 5/17/12 15:24pm]

XxAxX said:

KingBAD said:

i think the same with all oppressed people

esspeacially BLACKs, because in just about every way

each of us is in a simular position. We Are Not Minorities

yet when we go about our struggles and srtifes we let those

in power keep us seperated on minor differences.

(whut we do to express ourselves)

if a woman chooses the barefoot pregnant role

she's looked on be the fems as weak and brainwashed

when in fact she IS exerting her freedom as a woman

to have babies, and maybe not with ONE man BY DESIGN.

her perogative.

we as people seekin freedoms or equalities in a society

the seems to want not part of 'active changes' in that society

need be more accepting of who we are as INDIVIDUALS.

bein PRO GRESSIVE is seekin change in whut ever from

that progression takes for that individual

(rap, art, word/paint/whutever media)

expression of ones freedoms is theirs...

not every one wants to go with the flow as

group and that doesnt make them any less

of a freedom fighter.

hookers have their place as do any-one else

but let a woman say she is free to be a hooker

and watch the looks and actions of those around

that DON'T FEEL she has that right

the battles are within, not without...

and yes i'm bein serious

but i have my own views that don't

nessisarily fit the dianamics of others

i would think myself a free thinker of sorts

however biased i may be because of

personal history and experiences in this society...

and i've always known of the power of the pussy

wise words Kind BAD. i agree, and thanks for sharing your perspective. i've always thought black people in general and women in general have a lot of common territory when it comes to having doors closed in our faces. sad but true.

the longer i live the more i come to see that humans will always find one way or another to compartmentalize and minimalize each other. there will always be an elite power group controlling as much as they can of the world and it wealth and resources. which means there will always be 'women' and 'black people' classes to be the underdogs.

and we do the same to each other, when it comes to mindsets. for better or for worse when we aren't battling a corrupt power elite, we're sniping at one another. we group ourselves and each other by stereotypes and definitions. we're just that way. humans are kinda silly.

i like that you say a woman should be free to become a hooker. i'm in favor of legalizing the oldest profession too

It's funny how legalizing the sexual exploitation of women is considered as a victory for women.

Living in Amsterdam and knowing legal prostitution, I contradict that view.

Not that I think prostitutes should be criminalized. I think men who exploit women should be criminalized.

I'm appaled by the majority of men and tourists in the red light district. They seem not to realize that the girls are not emotionless actors in porn Disneyland. They there are humans, mostly abused and forced by their pimp (the "cool" guy in music videos) to have sex for money. Not for their own benefit, they have to do it so mister pimp can live his MTV life style. These girls don't choose that life because they like it so much. None of these girls dreamt of becoming a prostitute when they were a little girl. They did not fantasize about forced to have sex with all these men, hand over the money to their pimp and have no way to escape. Do you really think these girls are happy or busy building a life for themselves? NO. These girls are scared, vulnerable and try to survive every minute of the day.

In the perfect world women associate sex with great, loving, exciting, fulfilling, pleasant and heavenly experiences.

And yes, some women do have some great memories about some sexual experiences. However, the reality for women is that 99% also have traumatic memories of sex. Next to violent experiences, they oftentimes participate in sex, just to please the other in order not to be bothered by him anymore. Or to prevent him from escalating aggesive behavior. They 'give in' (have sex against their will without expressing it's against their will) and pretend to like it so he's done faster and she can relax again.

I think that is a symptom of the sad relation between the sexes. In my ideal world women want to have sex every day because they long and lust to be seduced and pleased. Women would love sex and feel free to express their sexual needs.

In my ideal world, no men would enforce a culture of shaming and blaming women for their lust. There would be no men who abused spiritual or religious teksts as means to convince women they can't enjoy or celebrate sex. In my ideal world, men would strive for a culture where women would enjoy their bodies, intelect, talents and free choices.

In my ideal world men would not even want to treat women with disrespect or make her feel ashamed of herself. In my world the shame would be on the men who don't please women right. Men would feel ashamed of controling women.

Helas, the reality is that men brag among eachother about how they use women for sex or con girls into a one night stand.

TD3 said:

dJJ said:

Despite feminism, what kind of things still withold women in society today?

What would you want to see changed for women?

I'm just curious what kind of issues are on women's minds and what they would want to see differently.

Foremost in my mind.. sexual and physical violence against women is still seen as acceptable in the US and around the world. Of course equal pay,child care, the right to choose, and reproductive rights or still an issue in the US as in many parts of the world. Laws are only effective if they are enforced and laws against sexual and physical violence against women are still applied at best, arbitrarily.That is, if there any laws on the books at all to enforce.

Institutional power and violence keep women back.

The power to say no to sexual advances or a proposal to marriage can get women killed. The choice to terminate an unwanted pregnanacy or to take birth control. The power to recieve an education and/or secondary education, to have a job, or create a job are still denied many women on this earth. Crimes such as rape, disfiguring, honor/machismo killings, female gential mutilation, and female infanticide are all to common and not the exception.

Yes, institutes are governed by men. And they want to keep it like that.

KingBAD said:

XxAxX said:

wise words Kind BAD. i agree, and thanks for sharing your perspective. i've always thought black people in general and women in general have a lot of common territory when it comes to having doors closed in our faces. sad but true.

the longer i live the more i come to see that humans will always find one way or another to compartmentalize and minimalize each other. there will always be an elite power group controlling as much as they can of the world and it wealth and resources. which means there will always be 'women' and 'black people' classes to be the underdogs.

and we do the same to each other, when it comes to mindsets. for better or for worse when we aren't battling a corrupt power elite, we're sniping at one another. we group ourselves and each other by stereotypes and definitions. we're just that way. humans are kinda silly.

i like that you say a woman should be free to become a hooker. i'm in favor of legalizing the oldest profession too

thank you,

there are only so many people on the org

that i apprieciate a compliment from and

you are NUMERO UNO!!!

uh,

shit...

i don't wanna have to buy the puddy

aww. that was a nice thing for you to say. thank you

Steadwood said:

XxAxX said:

dJJ said:

XxAxX said:

wise words Kind BAD. i agree, and thanks for sharing your perspective. i've always thought black people in general and women in general have a lot of common territory when it comes to having doors closed in our faces. sad but true.

the longer i live the more i come to see that humans will always find one way or another to compartmentalize and minimalize each other. there will always be an elite power group controlling as much as they can of the world and it wealth and resources. which means there will always be 'women' and 'black people' classes to be the underdogs.

and we do the same to each other, when it comes to mindsets. for better or for worse when we aren't battling a corrupt power elite, we're sniping at one another. we group ourselves and each other by stereotypes and definitions. we're just that way. humans are kinda silly.

i like that you say a woman should be free to become a hooker. i'm in favor of legalizing the oldest profession too

It's funny how legalizing the sexual exploitation of women is considered as a victory for women.

Living in Amsterdam and knowing legal prostitution, I contradict that view.

Not that I think prostitutes should be criminalized. I think men who exploit women should be criminalized.

I'm appaled by the majority of men and tourists in the red light district. They seem not to realize that the girls are not emotionless actors in porn Disneyland. They there are humans, mostly abused and forced by their pimp (the "cool" guy in music videos) to have sex for money. Not for their own benefit, they have to do it so mister pimp can live his MTV life style. These girls don't choose that life because they like it so much. None of these girls dreamt of becoming a prostitute when they were a little girl. They did not fantasize about forced to have sex with all these men, hand over the money to their pimp and have no way to escape. Do you really think these girls are happy or busy building a life for themselves? NO. These girls are scared, vulnerable and try to survive every minute of the day.

In the perfect world women associate sex with great, loving, exciting, fulfilling, pleasant and heavenly experiences.

And yes, some women do have some great memories about some sexual experiences. However, the reality for women is that 99% also have traumatic memories of sex. Next to violent experiences, they oftentimes participate in sex, just to please the other in order not to be bothered by him anymore. Or to prevent him from escalating aggesive behavior. They 'give in' (have sex against their will without expressing it's against their will) and pretend to like it so he's done faster and she can relax again.

I think that is a symptom of the sad relation between the sexes. In my ideal world women want to have sex every day because they long and lust to be seduced and pleased. Women would love sex and feel free to express their sexual needs.

In my ideal world, no men would enforce a culture of shaming and blaming women for their lust. There would be no men who abused spiritual or religious teksts as means to convince women they can't enjoy or celebrate sex. In my ideal world, men would strive for a culture where women would enjoy their bodies, intelect, talents and free choices.

In my ideal world men would not even want to treat women with disrespect or make her feel ashamed of herself. In my world the shame would be on the men who don't please women right. Men would feel ashamed of controling women.

Helas, the reality is that men brag among eachother about how they use women for sex or con girls into a one night stand.

i cannot disagree with how you feel about anything you say.

the point is, that there are many women who don't agree with whut you say.

like when i use the term 'nigga' and a lot of black folks get bent out of shape because i say

"a rose is a rose" i qwit bein a contoll freak years ago and most of the women i know who choose

to be (CHOOSE TO BE) hookers want to have the right to do with themselves as they please

not havin someone (man or woman) tell them whut they wanna do is somehow sub-human

and the act of animals or stoopid people or slaves of someone else's desires.

i know black folks that love doin volunteer work in plantations pickin coton for whites

I DON'T AGRREE WITH THEIR CHOICE OF CAREERS but you know whut, that's where they find their happiness, and as long as they don't force that shit on they kids, it's cool.

of course we know that some family traits trickle down to the kids, but in a free society where kids

get to go to school they will have opportunities to change their path.

so nothing has changed you say men blame women and drive a wedge between them by sayin they drive a wedge between thwm selves and in that we are both right.

and when a woman braggs about her one nights stands, she is concidered less than or unclean

or mentaly deficient. WHY IS THAT? whut would you call her? how is it not her right to do it?

and IF she decided to EXPLOIT MEN and get paid for sex, how is that a man putin her down?

this is not for arguments sake

i get whut you say. i just donnot fully agree

paintedlady said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

paintedlady said:

Despite knowing some awesome generous beautiful women...

women are just like crabs in a barrel. They are too freggin' competitive,

they gotta be the prettiest

most educated

and sexiest woman in the room to get the guys' attention the most or that sorry excuse of a bitch is gonna whine and make everyone's life she knows miserable by saying ...

"Why doesn't everyone love me?"

Well, not everyone wants to kiss your ass, deal with it.

Then they go about trying to f@ck your man, or get better things than you have because she must be the best!

This is why many competitive women tend to be backstabbers.

All this "progress" and we still fighting over who gets the better "piece of pie".

I am sick and tired of bitches in my life, all trifling self-serving heffas who would sooner be happy to see you gain weight (so they can call you fat) than be happy that you found love.

This is the very NATURE of woman... she is a beast, and this is why when I meet a gem who isn't out for herself only and stops to condsider a need I have and is truly giving from her heart I do my best to protect and honor that friendship, and it a very RARE thing to find!

So few are the women choose to love instead of hating people with a smile on their face.

This!!!! I'm always shocked and dismayed at women who act like this. For instance today at the hospital, I was with the tech delivering medications, and the nurse got an attitude with her. See, the techs badge didn't work so she couldn't put the iv's on the fridge. And the nurse was like, "did it dawn on you to ask one of the nurses to open he door for you?" After telling her off, she was like "I don't like her anyways because her hair Is longer than mine" Even professional women can be such bitches.

I WISH I could blame the bitchery on men and the divide and conquer theory, but its more like (most) women thrive off attention, so their lives revolve around what others think of them and where they measure up.

They do this to themselves and make all women around them miserable with their constant competitive nature of who has prettier eyes, who's hotter, who's got firmer tits and the list goes on and on.

Seriously I know more women like this than women who aren't.

Its like 8 out of ten women I know are natural bitches towards other women and education level, race, upbringing and age are not factors at all. These women are just mean by nature.

Its sorta like a kill or be killed sorta thing with these women, and they seriously can NOT be truly happy for other women. Its sad really.

dJJ said:

Despite feminism, what kind of things still withold women in society today?

What would you want to see changed for women?

I'm just curious what kind of issues are on women's minds and what they would want to see differently.

equal pay for equal work

elimination of female firemen

the government/church off our backs about birth control and abortion

elimination of violence in porn (no beating, spitting, gang raping shit)

more women in politics - we're better at managing money than men anyway

elimination of jealousy over stupid shit. really? u mad cuz she got the same dress as you?

elimination of putting men on faulty pedastels. really? u hate him when he's with you but in front of your friends he's a god?

elimination of hookers. seriously, when are women going to stop taking the easy route and use their brains to make money. Mark Zuckerberg has Facebook, Jack Dorsey has Twitter, Bill Gates has Microsoft, Steve Jobs had Apple....I can't name one woman who is a major inventor/innovator in the tech world. NOT ONE! Oh but I can name bitches on the cover of Vogue and Maxim.

HotGritz said:

dJJ said:

Despite feminism, what kind of things still withold women in society today?

What would you want to see changed for women?

I'm just curious what kind of issues are on women's minds and what they would want to see differently.

equal pay for equal work

elimination of female firemen

the government/church off our backs about birth control and abortion

elimination of violence in porn (no beating, spitting, gang raping shit)

more women in politics - we're better at managing money than men anyway

elimination of jealousy over stupid shit. really? u mad cuz she got the same dress as you?

elimination of putting men on faulty pedastels. really? u hate him when he's with you but in front of your friends he's a god?

elimination of hookers. seriously, when are women going to stop taking the easy route and use their brains to make money. Mark Zuckerberg has Facebook, Jack Dorsey has Twitter, Bill Gates has Microsoft, Steve Jobs had Apple....I can't name one woman who is a major inventor/innovator in the tech world. NOT ONE! Oh but I can name bitches on the cover of Vogue and Maxim.

so you sayin you need to bone up on your

sisters doin great thangs in technology then, RIIIIIIIIIIGHT???