Deadcake said:

Cloudbuster said:

I agree. While threads of this nature will undoubtedly anger and sicken people some of the punishments suggested are no less repulsive and savage than the crimes reported in the initial post. Yay for humans. We're a delightful lot.

and I'm sorry I quoted Cerebus without actually saying anything relevant I meant to add I was in agreement before I went off on a tangent

The general public (this phenomenon isn't confined to the org in the least), so afraid of appearing to condone such horrific crimes, will always jump on the bandwagon and spew forth bullshit like what should be done to the perps. You can in fact be horrified and sickened without saying any of that shit, it doesn't make you less "good" or less compassionate if you don't!

Thank you Cerebus, Deadcake and Cloudbuster for your posts on this thread!

Spinlight said:

Deadcake said:

and I'm sorry I quoted Cerebus without actually saying anything relevant I meant to add I was in agreement before I went off on a tangent

The general public (this phenomenon isn't confined to the org in the least), so afraid of appearing to condone such horrific crimes, will always jump on the bandwagon and spew forth bullshit like what should be done to the perps. You can in fact be horrified and sickened without saying any of that shit, it doesn't make you less "good" or less compassionate if you don't!

It's almost like you and Cerebus felt the need to state your opposition to the other replies instead of, I dunno, just saying something about the case. Like anyone really cares about so called innocence and purity on the org or anywhere else.

Cast the first stone, ladies.

I said loads of things about the case - read on

I know I do exactly that, it rankles me when I read the bloodlust comments seriously

And I'm not alone in feeling that way.

Serious said:

Thank you Cerebus, Deadcake and Cloudbuster for your posts on this thread!

+1

KingBAD said:

the truth is i think that people who take

those saintly attitudes to people who do

horrenous acts have the feelin that it

could be done by them or someone

close to them, therefore they have the need

to affect kindness and understandin where

the only reall humain thing for such people

is a speedy end to their existance.

whut of the baby? do you believe that it's

too young to ever understand or remember

the 'atrosity' that was heaped on them.

if the baby grows and one day is hit with

this memory, out of the blue and chooses to die

for it, will you then say that they had a weakness too,

OR, if the (then a child) begins to exibit

strange and violent behaviors and kills or harms

others, etc. whut then?

i know killin the offenders won't change that

but at least they will have paid for ALL the potential

out comes of their actions....

SO FUCK'EM!!!

And that is the absolute truth King!!!! People who sympathize with these molesters, rapists, ultimate violators of innocence and trust and enemies to mankind probably harbor the same twisted desires as this demon bitch - either that or they view infants and children as not having enough worth to bestow compassion upon. I have no understanding of how someone can fix their brain and heart to place any kind of value on this woman creature yet have not even the least bit compassion for the victim and the long emotional and physical battle that lay ahead for them. How is it that the first thought, upon entering and reading this story, that comes to your mind is not kindness and concern for the child but "oh how dare anyone want extreme punishment for this woman...blah blah blah...you are no better....blah blah blah"

Fuck that! I'm better because I do not find children sexually attractive. I'm better because it would never occur to me to bring a child into this world for the sole purpose of torturing him/her and allowing some depraved and vile creature to torture them. I'm better because it would never occur to me to seduce some stranger over the internet and offer up my child as his plaything. I'm better because it would never occur to me to sexually abuse some autistic kid. I could go on but ya get my meaning.

FUCK THAT HO AND ANYBODY THAT ACTS LIKE HER, THINKS LIKE HER OR WANTS TO GIVE HER A HUG AND SPARE HER UNGODLY LIFE!

HotGritz said:

KingBAD said:

the truth is i think that people who take

those saintly attitudes to people who do

horrenous acts have the feelin that it

could be done by them or someone

close to them, therefore they have the need

to affect kindness and understandin where

the only reall humain thing for such people

is a speedy end to their existance.

whut of the baby? do you believe that it's

too young to ever understand or remember

the 'atrosity' that was heaped on them.

if the baby grows and one day is hit with

this memory, out of the blue and chooses to die

for it, will you then say that they had a weakness too,

OR, if the (then a child) begins to exibit

strange and violent behaviors and kills or harms

others, etc. whut then?

i know killin the offenders won't change that

but at least they will have paid for ALL the potential

out comes of their actions....

SO FUCK'EM!!!

And that is the absolute truth King!!!! People who sympathize with these molesters, rapists, ultimate violators of innocence and trust and enemies to mankind probably harbor the same twisted desires as this demon bitch - either that or they view infants and children as not having enough worth to bestow compassion upon. I have no understanding of how someone can fix their brain and heart to place any kind of value on this woman creature yet have not even the least bit compassion for the victim and the long emotional and physical battle that lay ahead for them. How is it that the first thought, upon entering and reading this story, that comes to your mind is not kindness and concern for the child but "oh how dare anyone want extreme punishment for this woman...blah blah blah...you are no better....blah blah blah"

Fuck that! I'm better because I do not find children sexually attractive. I'm better because it would never occur to me to bring a child into this world for the sole purpose of torturing him/her and allowing some depraved and vile creature to torture them. I'm better because it would never occur to me to seduce some stranger over the internet and offer up my child as his plaything. I'm better because it would never occur to me to sexually abuse some autistic kid. I could go on but ya get my meaning.

FUCK THAT HO AND ANYBODY THAT ACTS LIKE HER, THINKS LIKE HER OR WANTS TO GIVE HER A HUG AND SPARE HER UNGODLY LIFE!

and if i had a sickass fuck like that in my imediate family

i'd be like KILL THAT BITCH too. would not give a witt if

it was MY OWN CHILD, at that point it is not my child

but some depraved animal that like aggressive pitt bulls

must be put down for the GREATER GOOD of the community...

G3000 said:

CUT THE PROFESSORS DICK OFF!!

The penalty for rape should be to have your genitals removed without anesthetic!!

I'll bet that would keep folk from unzipping thier pants!!

I don't think we start with the professor here . . . .

HotGritz said:

KingBAD said:

the truth is i think that people who take

those saintly attitudes to people who do

horrenous acts have the feelin that it

could be done by them or someone

close to them, therefore they have the need

to affect kindness and understandin where

the only reall humain thing for such people

is a speedy end to their existance.

whut of the baby? do you believe that it's

too young to ever understand or remember

the 'atrosity' that was heaped on them.

if the baby grows and one day is hit with

this memory, out of the blue and chooses to die

for it, will you then say that they had a weakness too,

OR, if the (then a child) begins to exibit

strange and violent behaviors and kills or harms

others, etc. whut then?

i know killin the offenders won't change that

but at least they will have paid for ALL the potential

out comes of their actions....

SO FUCK'EM!!!

And that is the absolute truth King!!!! People who sympathize with these molesters, rapists, ultimate violators of innocence and trust and enemies to mankind probably harbor the same twisted desires as this demon bitch - either that or they view infants and children as not having enough worth to bestow compassion upon. I have no understanding of how someone can fix their brain and heart to place any kind of value on this woman creature yet have not even the least bit compassion for the victim and the long emotional and physical battle that lay ahead for them. How is it that the first thought, upon entering and reading this story, that comes to your mind is not kindness and concern for the child but "oh how dare anyone want extreme punishment for this woman...blah blah blah...you are no better....blah blah blah"

Fuck that! I'm better because I do not find children sexually attractive. I'm better because it would never occur to me to bring a child into this world for the sole purpose of torturing him/her and allowing some depraved and vile creature to torture them. I'm better because it would never occur to me to seduce some stranger over the internet and offer up my child as his plaything. I'm better because it would never occur to me to sexually abuse some autistic kid. I could go on but ya get my meaning.

FUCK THAT HO AND ANYBODY THAT ACTS LIKE HER, THINKS LIKE HER OR WANTS TO GIVE HER A HUG AND SPARE HER UNGODLY LIFE!

I'm going to reply directly towards the 2 of you, because I feel you guys meant these words for me (apologies if I'm mistaken), and I would like a chance to say a couple of things in my defence:

a) I don't sympathise with any rapists, molesters, murderers etc. I am by no means "saintly" nor have that opinion of myself (and conversely it doesn't make me a criminal either) nor do my opinions make me better than you, nor you better than me.

b) by not verbally wishing a colourful and bloody and imaginative end to the perpetrator's lives (on a public forum) and by objecting to those who DO, does NOT make me any less compassionate to their victims. I am just as disturbed by their crime as you are. My wish is that people like these are promptly removed from society. They have lost their rights to live alongside us. I am simply choosing not to "solve" or avenge with words of more violence on this thread in response to this heinous crime, or countless other atrocities and their respective threads, and it creeps me out when others do.

c) wondering about the perps (as I do - about their IQ, childhoods etc) does not make me sympathetic nor is it kindness or tolerance, it's simply morbid curiosity. I guess it's one of the things I need to do to distance myself from sociopaths/criminals: finding the many ways they are different to me or you. I need to hear that something is WRONG with them, for example, psychosis, or horrendously abusive childhood, and I need to read statistics about sociopaths and pedophiles, because it makes me less fearful of those around me - we are not the same, I am NOT in danger, or at least not by how much I might imagine.

d) the unpopular opinion I have, is that I don't like the mob mentality/bloodlust. By stating that, I do not condone the crime, nor does it mean that I don't feel compassion towards the victim. I'm certainly not asking for tolerance - I do not believe that because these people are defective that it's OK for them to do what they do. I'm simply objecting to other people publicly describing sometimes equally heinous actions as retribution. The fact people have no issues saying those things frightens me and makes me feel I might be in danger after all.

Anyway, that's what I think

PurpleJedi said:

Cerebus said:

Some of y'all need to take a look at what you've written and re-evaluate just how pure and innocent you believe yourselves to be. Seriously.

Dude I seriously LOL'd...you used the terms "pure" and "innocent" whilst referencing members of prince.org?!?!?!

Seriously though...I get what you where implying...and honestly it's a knee-jerk reaction to the horrific nature of the crime, with a little bit of dramatic flair thrown in for good measure.

I doubt anyone GENUINELY wants to kill her, chop his dick off, or iron her breasts flat. (that was awesome Spin!)

The furthest I would condone would be chemical castration for him and partial hysterectomy for her. They need it.

However...I want to add something to this;

WHY is it that the crazy bitch gets two life sentences for allowing a perv to rape/sodomize her baby...WHILE the sick bastard who actually DID THE DEED only gets 37 ½ years?!?!?!

Sounds right to me.

She made her child available to a child molester!

He was wrong, but this child was not some runaway or someone he kidnapped to engage in sex with. This was a parent who made it know that her child would be/was available.

He didn't fly from Oakland to St. Louis on the chance he could talk her into it.

That's why she gets two life sentences. His behavior was criminal but she made it possible.

Deadcake said:

PurpleJedi said:

Dude I seriously LOL'd...you used the terms "pure" and "innocent" whilst referencing members of prince.org?!?!?!

Seriously though...I get what you where implying...and honestly it's a knee-jerk reaction to the horrific nature of the crime, with a little bit of dramatic flair thrown in for good measure.

I doubt anyone GENUINELY wants to kill her, chop his dick off, or iron her breasts flat. (that was awesome Spin!)

The furthest I would condone would be chemical castration for him and partial hysterectomy for her. They need it.

However...I want to add something to this;

WHY is it that the crazy bitch gets two life sentences for allowing a perv to rape/sodomize her baby...WHILE the sick bastard who actually DID THE DEED only gets 37 ½ years?!?!?!

I suppose they judge her act as far more heinous since she is the victim's MOTHER, the very person that should be doing everything within her power to protect and nurture. She peddled her baby for WHAT??? What could she have possibly have got out of this that made it worth doing?

The more I think about it, the more the professor comes across as cool and calculating, I bet he groomed her. He picked this particular woman because she would be easy to convince using the right words/threats/promises whatever it may have taken - she MUST be totally feeble minded and needing validation so desperately (would hate to read HER story, I bet it is a horror story of its own), and he an absolute monster, this was no primal urge that he couldn't control (which I don't believe in ANYWAY) but something that took time to co-ordinate. If the infant had died he would have got a far worse sentence, but incredibly (and probably not in her favour) she didn't die, despite injuries that would have required a team of surgeons to stitch her back together. She will likely suffer life-long problems, fistulas, incontinence god know what.

The article doesn't mention any physical injuries. Is this conjecture based on the crime?

SUPRMAN said:

Deadcake said:

I suppose they judge her act as far more heinous since she is the victim's MOTHER, the very person that should be doing everything within her power to protect and nurture. She peddled her baby for WHAT??? What could she have possibly have got out of this that made it worth doing?

The more I think about it, the more the professor comes across as cool and calculating, I bet he groomed her. He picked this particular woman because she would be easy to convince using the right words/threats/promises whatever it may have taken - she MUST be totally feeble minded and needing validation so desperately (would hate to read HER story, I bet it is a horror story of its own), and he an absolute monster, this was no primal urge that he couldn't control (which I don't believe in ANYWAY) but something that took time to co-ordinate. If the infant had died he would have got a far worse sentence, but incredibly (and probably not in her favour) she didn't die, despite injuries that would have required a team of surgeons to stitch her back together. She will likely suffer life-long problems, fistulas, incontinence god know what.

The article doesn't mention any physical injuries. Is this conjecture based on the crime?

That's true. Call it conjecture if you will.

My comment is based on my knowledge of the incredible size difference between a 5 month old infant and an adult male. It's based on the words in the article "have sex with" and my assumption that the professor penetrated the child with an adult sized sexual organ.

I saw a documentary from Africa that was about the belief there that sex with a virgin could cure AIDS. So, infant rape was rife among certain communities. The younger the baby, the higher the chance she was a virgin.

Those babies needed intensive care.

KingBAD said:

the truth is i think that people who take

those saintly attitudes to people who do

horrenous acts have the feelin that it

could be done by them or someone

close to them, therefore they have the need

to affect kindness and understandin where

the only reall humain thing for such people

is a speedy end to their existance.

whut of the baby? do you believe that it's

too young to ever understand or remember

the 'atrosity' that was heaped on them.

if the baby grows and one day is hit with

this memory, out of the blue and chooses to die

for it, will you then say that they had a weakness too,

OR, if the (then a child) begins to exibit

strange and violent behaviors and kills or harms

others, etc. whut then?

i know killin the offenders won't change that

but at least they will have paid for ALL the potential

out comes of their actions....

SO FUCK'EM!!!

The baby is too young to remember the details.

You can't access early memories because you have no way of describing them. (until you have language you can't separate anything into any specific category.

The baby will remember that people hurt you.

My memories go back as far as about 2 and a half. Lots of memories from the age of 4 on.

I remember living in L.A. when less than a year old but had no idea it was a separate city.

I remember being back in Oakland with me and my two brothers. I remember my sister being born when I was about 2 and a half.

How does someone pay for ALL potential outcomes? We can't.

Deadcake said:

Spinlight said:

It's almost like you and Cerebus felt the need to state your opposition to the other replies instead of, I dunno, just saying something about the case. Like anyone really cares about so called innocence and purity on the org or anywhere else.

Cast the first stone, ladies.

I said loads of things about the case - read on

I know I do exactly that, it rankles me when I read the bloodlust comments seriously

And I'm not alone in feeling that way.

No you are not alone.

HotGritz said:

KingBAD said:

the truth is i think that people who take

those saintly attitudes to people who do

horrenous acts have the feelin that it

could be done by them or someone

close to them, therefore they have the need

to affect kindness and understandin where

the only reall humain thing for such people

is a speedy end to their existance.

whut of the baby? do you believe that it's

too young to ever understand or remember

the 'atrosity' that was heaped on them.

if the baby grows and one day is hit with

this memory, out of the blue and chooses to die

for it, will you then say that they had a weakness too,

OR, if the (then a child) begins to exibit

strange and violent behaviors and kills or harms

others, etc. whut then?

i know killin the offenders won't change that

but at least they will have paid for ALL the potential

out comes of their actions....

SO FUCK'EM!!!

And that is the absolute truth King!!!! People who sympathize with these molesters, rapists, ultimate violators of innocence and trust and enemies to mankind probably harbor the same twisted desires as this demon bitch - either that or they view infants and children as not having enough worth to bestow compassion upon. I have no understanding of how someone can fix their brain and heart to place any kind of value on this woman creature yet have not even the least bit compassion for the victim and the long emotional and physical battle that lay ahead for them. How is it that the first thought, upon entering and reading this story, that comes to your mind is not kindness and concern for the child but "oh how dare anyone want extreme punishment for this woman...blah blah blah...you are no better....blah blah blah"

Fuck that! I'm better because I do not find children sexually attractive. I'm better because it would never occur to me to bring a child into this world for the sole purpose of torturing him/her and allowing some depraved and vile creature to torture them. I'm better because it would never occur to me to seduce some stranger over the internet and offer up my child as his plaything. I'm better because it would never occur to me to sexually abuse some autistic kid. I could go on but ya get my meaning.

FUCK THAT HO AND ANYBODY THAT ACTS LIKE HER, THINKS LIKE HER OR WANTS TO GIVE HER A HUG AND SPARE HER UNGODLY LIFE!

I don't believe that to be the case.

You know I am against the death penalty in all cases.

You know I am against rape in prison, in all cases. That is not part of anyone's sentence. Wishing someone harm in prison is a way of adding to their legal sentence. That's why we have rights and laws.

I understand people are abused and raped in prison. It shouldn't happen at all.

If we want prison to be a place of unending punishment, let's stop calling it prison and sentence them to Hell.

HotGritz said:

KingBAD said:

the truth is i think that people who take

those saintly attitudes to people who do

horrenous acts have the feelin that it

could be done by them or someone

close to them, therefore they have the need

to affect kindness and understandin where

the only reall humain thing for such people

is a speedy end to their existance.

whut of the baby? do you believe that it's

too young to ever understand or remember

the 'atrosity' that was heaped on them.

if the baby grows and one day is hit with

this memory, out of the blue and chooses to die

for it, will you then say that they had a weakness too,

OR, if the (then a child) begins to exibit

strange and violent behaviors and kills or harms

others, etc. whut then?

i know killin the offenders won't change that

but at least they will have paid for ALL the potential

out comes of their actions....

SO FUCK'EM!!!

And that is the absolute truth King!!!! People who sympathize with these molesters, rapists, ultimate violators of innocence and trust and enemies to mankind probably harbor the same twisted desires as this demon bitch - either that or they view infants and children as not having enough worth to bestow compassion upon. I have no understanding of how someone can fix their brain and heart to place any kind of value on this woman creature yet have not even the least bit compassion for the victim and the long emotional and physical battle that lay ahead for them. How is it that the first thought, upon entering and reading this story, that comes to your mind is not kindness and concern for the child but "oh how dare anyone want extreme punishment for this woman...blah blah blah...you are no better....blah blah blah"

Fuck that! I'm better because I do not find children sexually attractive. I'm better because it would never occur to me to bring a child into this world for the sole purpose of torturing him/her and allowing some depraved and vile creature to torture them. I'm better because it would never occur to me to seduce some stranger over the internet and offer up my child as his plaything. I'm better because it would never occur to me to sexually abuse some autistic kid. I could go on but ya get my meaning.

FUCK THAT HO AND ANYBODY THAT ACTS LIKE HER, THINKS LIKE HER OR WANTS TO GIVE HER A HUG AND SPARE HER UNGODLY LIFE!

How do you know that is anyone's first thought? I'm sure most 'first thoughts' aren't posted.

You can care for the child and not wish abuse on those who abused her.

Should we reflexively hate and abuse what we abhor? Maybe that is what this woman was doing.

I don't want to give her a hug, but seeing as she was given two life sentences, the JUDGE and JURY spared her life. So write the judge . . . . .

KingBAD said:

HotGritz said:

And that is the absolute truth King!!!! People who sympathize with these molesters, rapists, ultimate violators of innocence and trust and enemies to mankind probably harbor the same twisted desires as this demon bitch - either that or they view infants and children as not having enough worth to bestow compassion upon. I have no understanding of how someone can fix their brain and heart to place any kind of value on this woman creature yet have not even the least bit compassion for the victim and the long emotional and physical battle that lay ahead for them. How is it that the first thought, upon entering and reading this story, that comes to your mind is not kindness and concern for the child but "oh how dare anyone want extreme punishment for this woman...blah blah blah...you are no better....blah blah blah"

Fuck that! I'm better because I do not find children sexually attractive. I'm better because it would never occur to me to bring a child into this world for the sole purpose of torturing him/her and allowing some depraved and vile creature to torture them. I'm better because it would never occur to me to seduce some stranger over the internet and offer up my child as his plaything. I'm better because it would never occur to me to sexually abuse some autistic kid. I could go on but ya get my meaning.

FUCK THAT HO AND ANYBODY THAT ACTS LIKE HER, THINKS LIKE HER OR WANTS TO GIVE HER A HUG AND SPARE HER UNGODLY LIFE!

and if i had a sickass fuck like that in my imediate family

i'd be like KILL THAT BITCH too. would not give a witt if

it was MY OWN CHILD, at that point it is not my child

but some depraved animal that like aggressive pitt bulls

must be put down for the GREATER GOOD of the community...

Here we go again. No longer human for committing a human act.

They are both still people, just people we no longer like.

If it were your child, it would still be your child, just one in prison.

People are depraved animals, stop insulting pit bulls.

Deadcake said:

SUPRMAN said:

The article doesn't mention any physical injuries. Is this conjecture based on the crime?

That's true. Call it conjecture if you will.

My comment is based on my knowledge of the incredible size difference between a 5 month old infant and an adult male. It's based on the words in the article "have sex with" and my assumption that the professor penetrated the child with an adult sized sexual organ.

I saw a documentary from Africa that was about the belief there that sex with a virgin could cure AIDS. So, infant rape was rife among certain communities. The younger the baby, the higher the chance she was a virgin.

Those babies needed intensive care.

What else should I call it? Not being a smart ass but that's just what it is.

I understand why you said what you said but the truth is we don't know what injuries the child sustained other than the psychological one's mentioned by the adoptive mother.

SUPRMAN said:

Deadcake said:

That's true. Call it conjecture if you will.

My comment is based on my knowledge of the incredible size difference between a 5 month old infant and an adult male. It's based on the words in the article "have sex with" and my assumption that the professor penetrated the child with an adult sized sexual organ.

I saw a documentary from Africa that was about the belief there that sex with a virgin could cure AIDS. So, infant rape was rife among certain communities. The younger the baby, the higher the chance she was a virgin.

Those babies needed intensive care.

What else should I call it? Not being a smart ass but that's just what it is.

I understand why you said what you said but the truth is we don't know what injuries the child sustained other than the psychological one's mentioned by the adoptive mother.

Just like we don't know a HOST of other facts perhaps not mentioned in the article

I heard about sub-editors cutting whole paragraphs from stories to fit into newspapers. Just the other day a friend who works at Reuters told me their features don't fit unless they were 1500 words or less due to old outdated systems

Deadcake said:

SUPRMAN said:

What else should I call it? Not being a smart ass but that's just what it is.

I understand why you said what you said but the truth is we don't know what injuries the child sustained other than the psychological one's mentioned by the adoptive mother.

Just like we don't know a HOST of other facts perhaps not mentioned in the article

I heard about sub-editors cutting whole paragraphs from stories to fit into newspapers. Just the other day a friend who works at Reuters told me their features don't fit unless they were 1500 words or less due to old outdated systems

What's your point? Just make up what isn't there?

I understand stories get cut.

Found other articles, but did not find any detailing any physical injuries.

Alizadeh pointed out that Vanvlerah smiled in pictures showing Kyle with the infant.

Vanvlerah, of the 200 block of Solon Drive in Ballwin, was forced to give up custody of the child after being charged in April 2010 with first degree statutory rape and sodomy, as well as incest and child pornography. The pornography charge was dropped prior to her guilty plea in January.

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/n...z1uEw3zDlG

They also said she spoke with another man who sent her child pornography and invited him to also come and have sex with her infant daughter.

Assistant Prosecuting Attorney Kathi Alizadeh also pointed out that Vanvlerah willingly posed for pictures with Kyle and her daughter.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.u...z1uEvbjOr2

SUPRMAN said:

Deadcake said:

Just like we don't know a HOST of other facts perhaps not mentioned in the article

I heard about sub-editors cutting whole paragraphs from stories to fit into newspapers. Just the other day a friend who works at Reuters told me their features don't fit unless they were 1500 words or less due to old outdated systems

What's your point? Just make up what isn't there?

I understand stories get cut.

Found other articles, but did not find any detailing any physical injuries.

Alizadeh pointed out that Vanvlerah smiled in pictures showing Kyle with the infant.

Vanvlerah, of the 200 block of Solon Drive in Ballwin, was forced to give up custody of the child after being charged in April 2010 with first degree statutory rape and sodomy, as well as incest and child pornography. The pornography charge was dropped prior to her guilty plea in January.

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/n...z1uEw3zDlG

They also said she spoke with another man who sent her child pornography and invited him to also come and have sex with her infant daughter.

Assistant Prosecuting Attorney Kathi Alizadeh also pointed out that Vanvlerah willingly posed for pictures with Kyle and her daughter.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.u...z1uEvbjOr2

my point is we are making judgements on incomplete reporting of facts - we can never know a whole story

Deadcake said:

SUPRMAN said:

What's your point? Just make up what isn't there?

I understand stories get cut.

Found other articles, but did not find any detailing any physical injuries.

Alizadeh pointed out that Vanvlerah smiled in pictures showing Kyle with the infant.

Vanvlerah, of the 200 block of Solon Drive in Ballwin, was forced to give up custody of the child after being charged in April 2010 with first degree statutory rape and sodomy, as well as incest and child pornography. The pornography charge was dropped prior to her guilty plea in January.

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/n...z1uEw3zDlG

They also said she spoke with another man who sent her child pornography and invited him to also come and have sex with her infant daughter.

Assistant Prosecuting Attorney Kathi Alizadeh also pointed out that Vanvlerah willingly posed for pictures with Kyle and her daughter.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.u...z1uEvbjOr2

my point is we are making judgements on incomplete reporting of facts - we can never know a whole story

We can know a whole story but rarely do.

We are making judgments on incomplete facts. That's usually how life works.

I don't see that as an excuse to embellish what isn't there.

SUPRMAN said:

Deadcake said:

my point is we are making judgements on incomplete reporting of facts - we can never know a whole story

We can know a whole story but rarely do.

We are making judgments on incomplete facts. That's usually how life works.

I don't see that as an excuse to embellish what isn't there.

I wouldn't call it embellishing, what I did was speculate

Deadcake said:

SUPRMAN said:

We can know a whole story but rarely do.

We are making judgments on incomplete facts. That's usually how life works.

I don't see that as an excuse to embellish what isn't there.

I wouldn't call it embellishing, what I did was speculate

Agreed, my apologies.

SUPRMAN said:

Deadcake said:

I wouldn't call it embellishing, what I did was speculate

Agreed, my apologies.

SUPRMAN said:

KingBAD said:

and if i had a sickass fuck like that in my imediate family

i'd be like KILL THAT BITCH too. would not give a witt if

it was MY OWN CHILD, at that point it is not my child

but some depraved animal that like aggressive pitt bulls

must be put down for the GREATER GOOD of the community...

Here we go again. No longer human for committing a human act.

They are both still people, just people we no longer like.

If it were your child, it would still be your child, just one in prison.

People are depraved animals, stop insulting pit bulls.

in some instances i feel you on these points

HOWEVER, when it come to doing things to babies

there is an animalistic tendancy that transends the

human in a person. you have read me before and

i am not one to just dehumanize someone for doin

a 'human' act (e.g. murder, racism, rape, even multi murder)

but if a person commits a sexual crime against a baby

not even a year old, there is no humanity in them.

whut about one who would kill multiple babies (not abortionist)

babies who have no defense of them selves, or a room

full of todlers or just lil kids. these people arer only

people in the slightest sense of the word.

one time you said "these people were just like you and me the day before..."

and i said then that "NO, these people are nothing like you or me"

i cannot in any way even imagine ( and i don't know you personaly)

you doin anything of the sort like whut this thread is about, EVEN

at your most depraved.

so in most cases i feel you in how you feel, HOWEVER, in prosicutin such

a case i would not hesitate to proove the beastiality of such people

and in so provin would insist that, like mad dogs, they should be

'put down'

Deadcake said:

HotGritz said:

And that is the absolute truth King!!!! People who sympathize with these molesters, rapists, ultimate violators of innocence and trust and enemies to mankind probably harbor the same twisted desires as this demon bitch - either that or they view infants and children as not having enough worth to bestow compassion upon. I have no understanding of how someone can fix their brain and heart to place any kind of value on this woman creature yet have not even the least bit compassion for the victim and the long emotional and physical battle that lay ahead for them. How is it that the first thought, upon entering and reading this story, that comes to your mind is not kindness and concern for the child but "oh how dare anyone want extreme punishment for this woman...blah blah blah...you are no better....blah blah blah"

Fuck that! I'm better because I do not find children sexually attractive. I'm better because it would never occur to me to bring a child into this world for the sole purpose of torturing him/her and allowing some depraved and vile creature to torture them. I'm better because it would never occur to me to seduce some stranger over the internet and offer up my child as his plaything. I'm better because it would never occur to me to sexually abuse some autistic kid. I could go on but ya get my meaning.

FUCK THAT HO AND ANYBODY THAT ACTS LIKE HER, THINKS LIKE HER OR WANTS TO GIVE HER A HUG AND SPARE HER UNGODLY LIFE!

I'm going to reply directly towards the 2 of you, because I feel you guys meant these words for me (apologies if I'm mistaken), and I would like a chance to say a couple of things in my defence:

a) I don't sympathise with any rapists, molesters, murderers etc. I am by no means "saintly" nor have that opinion of myself (and conversely it doesn't make me a criminal either) nor do my opinions make me better than you, nor you better than me.

b) by not verbally wishing a colourful and bloody and imaginative end to the perpetrator's lives (on a public forum) and by objecting to those who DO, does NOT make me any less compassionate to their victims. I am just as disturbed by their crime as you are. My wish is that people like these are promptly removed from society. They have lost their rights to live alongside us. I am simply choosing not to "solve" or avenge with words of more violence on this thread in response to this heinous crime, or countless other atrocities and their respective threads, and it creeps me out when others do.

c) wondering about the perps (as I do - about their IQ, childhoods etc) does not make me sympathetic nor is it kindness or tolerance, it's simply morbid curiosity. I guess it's one of the things I need to do to distance myself from sociopaths/criminals: finding the many ways they are different to me or you. I need to hear that something is WRONG with them, for example, psychosis, or horrendously abusive childhood, and I need to read statistics about sociopaths and pedophiles, because it makes me less fearful of those around me - we are not the same, I am NOT in danger, or at least not by how much I might imagine.

d) the unpopular opinion I have, is that I don't like the mob mentality/bloodlust. By stating that, I do not condone the crime, nor does it mean that I don't feel compassion towards the victim. I'm certainly not asking for tolerance - I do not believe that because these people are defective that it's OK for them to do what they do. I'm simply objecting to other people publicly describing sometimes equally heinous actions as retribution. The fact people have no issues saying those things frightens me and makes me feel I might be in danger after all.

Anyway, that's what I think

you give me too much credit,

i rarely read past the first few sentences,

however when i see someone say that it's wrong

to feel these tramps deserve a speedy but painful death

(instead of waitin for god's judgement) i wonder

whut makes them think that, instead of thinkin about

my daughters and grand daughters and great grand

daughters (damn i need a son) or anyone elses babies.

at some point we need to rethink this 'milk of human kindness'

shit when it come to such inhumane types such as these.

so it wasn't about you, i don't think

KingBAD said:

SUPRMAN said:

Here we go again. No longer human for committing a human act.

They are both still people, just people we no longer like.

If it were your child, it would still be your child, just one in prison.

People are depraved animals, stop insulting pit bulls.

in some instances i feel you on these points

HOWEVER, when it come to doing things to babies

there is an animalistic tendancy that transends the

human in a person. you have read me before and

i am not one to just dehumanize someone for doin

a 'human' act (e.g. murder, racism, rape, even multi murder)

but if a person commits a sexual crime against a baby

not even a year old, there is no humanity in them.

whut about one who would kill multiple babies (not abortionist)

babies who have no defense of them selves, or a room

full of todlers or just lil kids. these people arer only

people in the slightest sense of the word.

one time you said "these people were just like you and me the day before..."

and i said then that "NO, these people are nothing like you or me"

i cannot in any way even imagine ( and i don't know you personaly)

you doin anything of the sort like whut this thread is about, EVEN

at your most depraved.

so in most cases i feel you in how you feel, HOWEVER, in prosicutin such

a case i would not hesitate to proove the beastiality of such people

and in so provin would insist that, like mad dogs, they should be

'put down'

For sentencing, yeah, but not the criminal phase. That's just proving the crime, not about what type of people committed it.

Ok, granted. There is something different about people who commit such acts, even if we think of them as 'normal,' before learning of their very abnormal behavior.

KingBAD said:

SUPRMAN said:

Here we go again. No longer human for committing a human act.

They are both still people, just people we no longer like.

If it were your child, it would still be your child, just one in prison.

People are depraved animals, stop insulting pit bulls.

in some instances i feel you on these points

HOWEVER, when it come to doing things to babies

there is an animalistic tendancy that transends the

human in a person. you have read me before and

i am not one to just dehumanize someone for doin

a 'human' act (e.g. murder, racism, rape, even multi murder)

but if a person commits a sexual crime against a baby

not even a year old, there is no humanity in them.

whut about one who would kill multiple babies (not abortionist)

babies who have no defense of them selves, or a room

full of todlers or just lil kids. these people arer only

people in the slightest sense of the word.

one time you said "these people were just like you and me the day before..."

and i said then that "NO, these people are nothing like you or me"

i cannot in any way even imagine ( and i don't know you personaly)

you doin anything of the sort like whut this thread is about, EVEN

at your most depraved.

so in most cases i feel you in how you feel, HOWEVER, in prosicutin such

a case i would not hesitate to proove the beastiality of such people

and in so provin would insist that, like mad dogs, they should be

'put down'

I agree with this

KingBAD said:

Deadcake said:

I'm going to reply directly towards the 2 of you, because I feel you guys meant these words for me (apologies if I'm mistaken), and I would like a chance to say a couple of things in my defence:

a) I don't sympathise with any rapists, molesters, murderers etc. I am by no means "saintly" nor have that opinion of myself (and conversely it doesn't make me a criminal either) nor do my opinions make me better than you, nor you better than me.

b) by not verbally wishing a colourful and bloody and imaginative end to the perpetrator's lives (on a public forum) and by objecting to those who DO, does NOT make me any less compassionate to their victims. I am just as disturbed by their crime as you are. My wish is that people like these are promptly removed from society. They have lost their rights to live alongside us. I am simply choosing not to "solve" or avenge with words of more violence on this thread in response to this heinous crime, or countless other atrocities and their respective threads, and it creeps me out when others do.

c) wondering about the perps (as I do - about their IQ, childhoods etc) does not make me sympathetic nor is it kindness or tolerance, it's simply morbid curiosity. I guess it's one of the things I need to do to distance myself from sociopaths/criminals: finding the many ways they are different to me or you. I need to hear that something is WRONG with them, for example, psychosis, or horrendously abusive childhood, and I need to read statistics about sociopaths and pedophiles, because it makes me less fearful of those around me - we are not the same, I am NOT in danger, or at least not by how much I might imagine.

d) the unpopular opinion I have, is that I don't like the mob mentality/bloodlust. By stating that, I do not condone the crime, nor does it mean that I don't feel compassion towards the victim. I'm certainly not asking for tolerance - I do not believe that because these people are defective that it's OK for them to do what they do. I'm simply objecting to other people publicly describing sometimes equally heinous actions as retribution. The fact people have no issues saying those things frightens me and makes me feel I might be in danger after all.

Anyway, that's what I think

you give me too much credit,

i rarely read past the first few sentences,

however when i see someone say that it's wrong

to feel these tramps deserve a speedy but painful death

(instead of waitin for god's judgement) i wonder

whut makes them think that, instead of thinkin about

my daughters and grand daughters and great grand

daughters (damn i need a son) or anyone elses babies.

at some point we need to rethink this 'milk of human kindness'

shit when it come to such inhumane types such as these.

so it wasn't about you, i don't think

I wrote all that for nothing????

Deadcake said:

KingBAD said:

you give me too much credit,

i rarely read past the first few sentences,

however when i see someone say that it's wrong

to feel these tramps deserve a speedy but painful death

(instead of waitin for god's judgement) i wonder

whut makes them think that, instead of thinkin about

my daughters and grand daughters and great grand

daughters (damn i need a son) or anyone elses babies.

at some point we need to rethink this 'milk of human kindness'

shit when it come to such inhumane types such as these.

so it wasn't about you, i don't think

I wrote all that for nothing????

now i feel bad and have to go back and read

all that shit you wrote JUST to make you feel better

KingBAD said:

Deadcake said:

I wrote all that for nothing????

now i feel bad and have to go back and read

all that shit you wrote JUST to make you feel better

well it doesn't make me feel better until you read it too!!!!