That being said... Im sorry for this girl and her family

tinaz said:

PurpleJedi said:

tinaz said:

You dont wanna be tased... Dont break the law.. Its really that simple... And if your stupid enough to break the law, COOPERATE!!!

yup! I'm fairly confident that I will live out the rest of my days without feeling a cop's taser. ...well ...I also haven't been to Vegas yet, so maybe I should hold my tongue... :-p

Ive been to vegas a few times... Not been tasered...

Stick to the strip, NEVER LEAVE THE STRIP!!

PurpleJedi said:

tinaz said:

You dont wanna be tased... Dont break the law.. Its really that simple... And if your stupid enough to break the law, COOPERATE!!!

yup! I'm fairly confident that I will live out the rest of my days without feeling a cop's taser. ...well ...I also haven't been to Vegas yet, so maybe I should hold my tongue... :-p

So when someone is breaking the law, no matter how minor it is, and is shot and killed, everyone should just think it's ok because they were engaging in criminal activity...that is, of course, if you go by the logic stated above.

Both can be deadly, so there should never be any outcry when it happens by taser or by gun.

Cool.

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JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

tinaz said: yup! I'm fairly confident that I will live out the rest of my days without feeling a cop's taser. ...well ...I also haven't been to Vegas yet, so maybe I should hold my tongue... :-p

So when someone is breaking the law, no matter how minor it is, and is shot and killed, everyone should just think it's ok because they were engaging in criminal activity...that is, of course, if you go by the logic stated above.

Both can be deadly, so there should never be any outcry when it happens by taser or by gun.

Cool.

[Edited 2/23/12 17:48pm]

Thats not what were saying at all... Neither one of us said we thought it was ok... But your gonna interpret it your way, so... Cool....

tinaz said:

JustErin said:

So when someone is breaking the law, no matter how minor it is, and is shot and killed, everyone should just think it's ok because they were engaging in criminal activity...that is, of course, if you go by the logic stated above.

Both can be deadly, so there should never be any outcry when it happens by taser or by gun.

Cool.

[Edited 2/23/12 17:48pm]

Thats not what were saying at all... Neither one of us said we thought it was ok... But your gonna interpret it your way, so... Cool....

Then I misunderstod.

What exactly were you saying then?

PurpleJedi said:

JustErin said:

It was abuse, regardless of the fall. The use of the taser was completely unnecessary.

Those fucking things should be banned altogether.

Erin...the use of tasers is unfortunately the norm, not the exception nowadays.

Abuse would be for him to have tackled her to the ground or thrown his baton at the back of her head to stop her.

Cops can't really lay a hand on a suspect nowadays without winding up in litigation, which is why tasers and pepper spray are routinely being employed.

The girl was being arrested, she ran, he stopped her.

If she had fallen on a patch of grass, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Where do you live?

In the U.S. they can still kill without winding up in litigation or going to jail.

Dewrede said:

PurpleJedi said:

Erin...the use of tasers is unfortunately the norm, not the exception nowadays.

Abuse would be for him to have tackled her to the ground or thrown his baton at the back of her head to stop her.

Cops can't really lay a hand on a suspect nowadays without winding up in litigation, which is why tasers and pepper spray are routinely being employed.

The girl was being arrested, she ran, he stopped her.

If she had fallen on a patch of grass, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

no ,some people have a heart condition which means they might die if tasered

so tasing people IS abuse

That makes no sense.

Some people are susceptible to being injured or dying when shot.

How is a cop supposed to know that someone violating the law has a heart condition?

PurpleJedi said:

JustErin said:

I never said they were not the norm.

You use a taser and the person falls harder than a motherfucker....everyone knows this.

And it's not just because they are risking a devastating fall like this one....I, for one. would very likely go into cardiac arrest if I was tasered due to a heart condition that I have.

They should NEVER have been deemed an acceptable way to apprehend a suspect. It's filed under the guise of an effective and safe way to stop a suspect and it absolutely is not.

And using it willy nilly like he did absolutely is abuse...even if it's ridiculously deemed "acceptable" withing the force.

So they would rather risk killing someone to avoid litigation...yeah, that's a great idea. If he had shot her people would be up in arms....but people ignorantly think tasers are a safe practice.

I guarantee that they will eventually be banned....at least in Canada....first.

I definitely agree that it was him being lazy in this case...if he wasn't busy stuffing his face with donuts and pulled pork, he would've had no problem catching up to this chick and holding her down.

And I agree that tasers are being used wayyyy too much.

But until web-slingers or some other technology is developed (or until lawyers stop winning million-dollar lawsuits for crooks getting tackled) then tasers & pepper spray are here to stay.

If not tasers, then WHAT?

What case or cases are you referring to?

JustErin said:

tinaz said:

Thats not what were saying at all... Neither one of us said we thought it was ok... But your gonna interpret it your way, so... Cool....

Then I misunderstod.

What exactly were you saying then?

People were complaining about tasers and their danger and wanting them banned.. My point was if people didnt break the law, their would be no use for them.. Dont cry about how you (criminals) are apprehended, cuz if you werent breaking the law, you wouldnt have a complaint!!

My whole point is... Dont break the law! I mean, what would you have the police do for people that dont cooperate and are out of control??

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

I definitely agree that it was him being lazy in this case...if he wasn't busy stuffing his face with donuts and pulled pork, he would've had no problem catching up to this chick and holding her down.

And I agree that tasers are being used wayyyy too much.

But until web-slingers or some other technology is developed (or until lawyers stop winning million-dollar lawsuits for crooks getting tackled) then tasers & pepper spray are here to stay.

If not tasers, then WHAT?

Let's hope no one you care about makes a bad decision one day (like a simple petty crime) and ends up being permanently damaged or worse because of an apprehension option that is considered acceptable until something safer comes along.

So if you can outrun a cop, then you should be allowed to break the law?!

What is something safer?

Come to think of it, this never would've happened if we didn't have police to begin with . . . .

Dave1992 said:

If he weren't such a fat bastard he wouldn't even have to think about touching that fucking taser. Whether it was "abuse" or not, police men shouldn't be fat (or at least able to run quicker than a hand-cuffed person), and he should therefor be suspended.

His not being fit enough led to this huge dilemma. It maybe wasn't his direct fault that she fell and hit the ground with the back of her head, but it is his (and the police departement's) direct fault that he is such a fat motherfucker and can't catch a hand-cuffed girl.

Apart from that, because she was handcuffed, I assume it was him who handcuffed her in the first place. A police man should have a close look at the people he hand-cuffs and should not even give them any kind of opportunity to break free and run. That's another reason for why he should be suspended and the police department should spend more time picking the right people for this important job.

Co-sign. A breath of fesh air.

SUPRMAN said:

JustErin said:

Let's hope no one you care about makes a bad decision one day (like a simple petty crime) and ends up being permanently damaged or worse because of an apprehension option that is considered acceptable until something safer comes along.

So if you can outrun a cop, then you should be allowed to break the law?!

What is something safer?

Come to think of it, this never would've happened if we didn't have police to begin with . . . .

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

tinaz said: yup! I'm fairly confident that I will live out the rest of my days without feeling a cop's taser. ...well ...I also haven't been to Vegas yet, so maybe I should hold my tongue... :-p

So when someone is breaking the law, no matter how minor it is, and is shot and killed, everyone should just think it's ok because they were engaging in criminal activity...that is, of course, if you go by the logic stated above.

Both can be deadly, so there should never be any outcry when it happens by taser or by gun.

Cool.

[Edited 2/23/12 17:48pm]

I disagree but I see why you'd say that.

tinaz said:

You dont wanna be tased... Dont break the law.. Its really that simple... And if your stupid enough to break the law, COOPERATE!!!

^that.

not only is she sexy, she's well spoken as well.

BlackAdder7 said:

tinaz said:

You dont wanna be tased... Dont break the law.. Its really that simple... And if your stupid enough to break the law, COOPERATE!!!

^that.

not only is she sexy, she wields a taser well as well as tasering a well well

okay. if you say so

tinaz said:

You dont wanna be tased... Dont break the law.. Its really that simple... And if your stupid enough to break the law, COOPERATE!!!

Interesting. They are plently of folks who have been tased that have not broken the law.

tinaz said:

You dont wanna be tased... Dont break the law.. Its really that simple... And if your stupid enough to break the law, COOPERATE!!!

YES!!! Finally, someone gets it. I'm sick of everyone trying to coddle criminals...she should not have run..period. Abide by the law and you won't have to worry about dealing with the cops. You commit crimes, you run, you resist arrest or point a gun at a cop, then you get what you get...

SpaceInBetween said:

tinaz said:

You dont wanna be tased... Dont break the law.. Its really that simple... And if your stupid enough to break the law, COOPERATE!!!

YES!!! Finally, someone gets it. I'm sick of everyone trying to coddle criminals...she should not have run..period. Abide by the law and you won't have to worry about dealing with the cops. You commit crimes, you run, you resist arrest or point a gun at a cop, then you get what you get...

Try being Black in America . . . . It only it were as simple as abide by the law and they won't f with you.

PurpleJedi said:

Dewrede said:

no ,some people have a heart condition which means they might die if tasered

so tasing people IS abuse

Then it should be outlawed.

When it's outlawed and still used, I will be first in line to cry foul.

...and as an 'fyi'...anyone who has a heart condition and runs from a cop threatening to tase them is pretty much committing suicide.

Yes , it should

And that's the main reason why it's outlawed here i think , apart from very rare cases

I saw a doc here on a man with a heart condition who got tased (or tasered ?)

and died

I have a friend with a heart condition and he sports

So having a heart condition doesn't necessarily mean you can't run etc

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SUPRMAN said:

Dewrede said:

no ,some people have a heart condition which means they might die if tasered

so tasing people IS abuse

That makes no sense.

Some people are susceptible to being injured or dying when shot.

How is a cop supposed to know that someone violating the law has a heart condition?

Nah that condition i think is really rare , as opposed to having a heart condition ,

so not a good comparison

SUPRMAN said:

SpaceInBetween said:

YES!!! Finally, someone gets it. I'm sick of everyone trying to coddle criminals...she should not have run..period. Abide by the law and you won't have to worry about dealing with the cops. You commit crimes, you run, you resist arrest or point a gun at a cop, then you get what you get...

Try being Black in America . . . . It only it were as simple as abide by the law and they won't f with you.

I am black and I live in America..so what the F are you talking about? put away the race card. Try living in DC with these people and you're perception will change on crime real quick...

she should not have run. the cop was right it is 100% the girl's fault. i hope she wakes up so she can face the charges she had earned.

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

Timmy...honestly, you saw the video...

It's a crying shame what happened...

...but where was the "abuse"?

OR are you just talking in general terms?

It was abuse, regardless of the fall. The use of the taser was completely unnecessary.

Those fucking things should be banned altogether.

they save many lives. they have been used in 1000s of cases in which the cop would have been justified in shooting to kill the suspect.

My few rules for dealing with the police!

1) Never run. If they can legally encounter you (which they always can even if it is just to say "hello") then running gives the PC to detain you for further questioning.

2) For the most part* the only thing you have to tell a cop is your identity. (And that one is a maybe)

3) be polite, being rude is not going to help you.

4) Do not ever lie. (See 2) most of the time you do not have to answer any question that can in anyway help them 'get' you. (Oh and cops do not always have to tell you your Miranda rights and you always have the right to remain silent)

5) You can say "NO" to any request to search, question, or even talk to you (refusal cannot be used as evidence; they will tell you it can that is a lie.) If they ask if they can search you just say "I do not consent to ANY searches” you can do the same for your car...but they can then (in some cases) search it anyway--but having your non-consent on tape will help you later.

6) You can ask the following "am I under arrest" (that is a YES or NO answer, they will say "Not yet” that is a NO) ask "I'm I being detained?" Same deal... then ask "Am I free to go"

* If you are a witness to a crime and refuse to help that could in some cases be a crime.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

she should not have run. the cop was right it is 100% the girl's fault. i hope she wakes up so she can face the charges she had earned.

seriously , wtf

ever heard of compassion and empathy ?

[Edited 2/25/12 10:23am]

Dewrede said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

she should not have run. the cop was right it is 100% the girl's fault. i hope she wakes up so she can face the charges she had earned.

seriously , wtf

ever heard of compassion and empathy ?

[Edited 2/25/12 10:23am]

i said I hope she wakes up. and i feel bad for the cop. I hope he is not in trouble over this.

i hope the lesson learned is DO NOT RUN FROM THE COPS!

^

ok

Particularly that last sentence made me go

What's with your blind obedience for cops anyways ?

Just because they're cops doesn't mean they are always in the right

[Edited 2/25/12 10:46am]

Dewrede said:

^

ok

particularly that last sentence made me go

the girl made a stupid choice and got PWND. it is her own fault.