All that is a myth.

If you have money, or even better, rich and famous, you can practically get any women in the world. Don't matter how nice you are or dull.

Hmmmm...let's see...

PurpleJedi said:

Whatever. Just read it. Agree, disagree, then discuss.

No.10 Nice Guys Take Too Long To Recover

Nice guys and bad boys have the same low success rate when approaching women.

The difference is that bad boys hit on almost every woman they meet. Even if they're striking out most of the time, they still manage to find a date because they swing so often. They shrug off rejection and hit on someone else.

Nice guys, by contrast, work very slowly and only approach one woman they're most interested in. If they get rejected, they spend weeks or months licking their wounds before restarting the cycle

Well I'm not too sure about that. But even if they do take time to recover, so what? It shows to me a man has some soul, and is in touch with his feelings. They should know though, that rejection isn't the end of the road.

As far as this mentality of "on to the next one", I personally don't know how a woman can find that attractive. You gave a guy some of the best times of your life...and when it's over, rather than have a refractory period, he's on to the next bimbo? Well, you'll just feel disposable then, wouldn't you?

No.9 Nice guys are pushovers

Girls don't not like nice guys; they don't like spineless guys. You can be nice -- just don't be a pushover.

Again, not true. Kindness is not weakness. You can be nice, and still stand up for your rights. And beat occasional ass.

No.8 Nice Guys Have Hidden Agendas

In general, being a good person is attractive. The nice guy is something else. His niceness is not real; it's a social strategy, one that doesn't work, and he blames everyone else for that.

The nice guy lacks the self-confidence to ask someone out, or is otherwise after women who are not going to be interested in him. Such a guy may get into the habit of performing services for these women, trying to ingratiate himself into their company. But this never results in romantic interest. The nice guy may fly into a rage later since he is so frustrated and feels that he's not getting anything back for all his pains, but, really, he's just cheating himself.

If he has a hidden agenda that doesn't include mutual happiness between him and his gf/wife, then he's an egoist. And I have no time for those selfish bastards.

A nice guy lacks self-confidence? Well, aside from his own, who's fault is that? We live in a society where we teach our children, not to love themselves or to feel good about themselves. It takes a strong person to say "this society doesn't work for me, I'm going to live by the standards of my own." If a good man can actually do that...that to me, shows tremendous strength, and I find it quite attractive.

No.7 Nice Guys Don't Put Themselves First

What's wrong with nice guys? The biggest problem is that most are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simple pleasure of giving. You never know if a nice guy really likes you for who you are or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him.

They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be on -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them.

Nice guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of compromising and negotiating, they repeatedly give in. When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that "Everything I did, I did for her," as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner.

Refer to No. 8. I blame society for this. And as far as afraid to speak their mind, why not give someone the chance to find their voice? You may be surprised by what they have to say.

No.6 Men rule and women drool

For the past few millennia, the social structure was for men to be rulers and women their servants (or property, depends how you look at it). Women in history were inferior.

The emancipation of women is a recent trend. One hundred years or so is a brief moment in history and social evolution.

Women who do like nice guys are early adopters. They are the women who study computer science, start their own business, etc.
The other type, the traditional one, who hasn't yet internalized the new social order, still looks for a man-ruler, a man who will own her.

I hope a pineapple is being shoved, spikes first, up the ass of whoever wrote this. The so-called "traditional" women are now very much in the minority now as more and more women achieve their potential in life.

And please...not every "smart, independent woman" chooses a "nice guy". I've seen too many of my collegues, smart, educated, beautiful women, fall head over heels for a man who treats them like garbage.

No.5 Niceness Doesn't Rank Above Other Characteristics

Niceness is evaluated as a threshold issue. In other words, when a woman compares two guys who don't make her feel miserable, one being "nicer" than the other is usually not the deciding factor. Looked at this way, it's clear to me that looks, entertainment value, social status value, and even money rank above niceness for the overall population of women. Then there is the psychological effect: Being too nice may be perceived as a signal that you lack the higher value traits.

Not me. If you can hold decent conversation and you have good hygeine, then you've already captured my attention.

No.4 It's Easier For Nice Guys To Mess Up

Having a brand as a "nice guy" enormously raises expectations: The truth is, no one is nice 100% of the time, even if they just screw up by accident. The difference is that when the slightly jerky guy screws up, "that's just how he is sometimes," whereas when the nice guy screws up, he's perceived as a hypocrite who was only pretending to be nice all along to get into the girl's pants. If you don't believe this observation, just look at the top-rated answer on this question and how many votes it has garnered.

I guess this would be the case where nice doesn't synonymously mean "smart". I think every deserves to have a margin of error, and if they screw up, both parties are at fault. The guy himself for trying to maintain an unnatural, unachievable perception of himself, and the audience, for having unreasonable expections of that man to begin with.

No.3 Nice Guys Have Low Self-Esteem

Based on personal experience and observation, I'd say the "nice guys finish last" cliche is an absolute fallacy. It is reinforced by a tendency to seek out and notice cliche-affirming situations and by characterizations of nice guys and bad boys by the popular media. I'd also argue that other personality traits may be common among people considered to be nice guys, such as low self-esteem, shyness or submissiveness, which may influence their ability to find women who are romantically interested in them.

See reasons 7 and 8.

No.2 Nice Guys Won't Admit That It's Not Her But Them

Girls like nice guys. A lot.

"Girls don't like nice guys" is what losers tell themselves when they don't want to actually consider what it is about themselves that women don't like. It's somehow easier to tell themselves that they keep getting rejected because they are "too nice" rather than because their breath stinks or because they're obnoxious little whiners.

Women aren't stupid. They aren't rejecting people because they are too good.

A point I finally agree with. Really, stop that bs.

No.1 Nice Guys Aren't Nice Guys

Nice guys are rarely actually nice. Nice guys, as in the guys who complain about how women don't like them because they're too nice, are more often uninteresting, insecure and very entitled. They are the sort of guys who believe that if they open a door for a girl, she should sleep with them, and if she doesn't give them the time of day, it's because women only like jerks.

Every man, good or bad, feels he's entitled to something. Rarely do they ask, am I worthy of it? What strategy other than what i've used can give me what I seek? "What am I not understanding?" is the question they should ask rather than "Why am I failing?"

They do nothing but bitch bitch bitch about how they're not getting enough. If they think that simple gentlemanly gestures like opening a door, or sharing your umbrella will get a woman to rip her clothes off, then thier logic is flawed. Simple as that.

If you want something, make changes in yourself to go get it. Remember Caveman...fire didn't just miraculously knock on your door and ask to stay the night.

OK...some of those are bad stereotypes, but others hit it right on the nose.

Painfully so.

2012...guys, time to live like a rockstar!

Read more: http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/girls-and-nice-guys_10.html#ixzz1i3OK6FBJ

And PurpleJedi...dude...

I can also argue that men don't really like good girls or nice girls. They'd prefer the one that puts out first.

But eh...

imago said:

Machaela said:

You're a very nice asshole guy

Many "nice guys" I know are in relationships and have never had to spend long periods of time being single. Their girlfriends and wives are smart, good-looking and usually have a high level of education themselves. There's a good reason why some women don't like "nice guys" - those women are not "nice girls" themselves. Why would you expect some terribly selfish, prejudiced, openly materialistic woman to be drawn to a man that doesn't exhibit similar qualities and is most likely opposed to such aspects in today's society? It's a whole another question why do smart, educated men so often want to be with that type of women that are more or less just airheads.

I think the biggest reason why "assholes" have sexual relations with more women than the "nice guys" is because they aim to establish physical contact with the women during a very early stage. Women at this point are still mainly attracted to the other person due to an initial mental image that they have of him. If they don't mind the other person kissing, fondling or groping them early on then it usually leads into sex quickly. Once the woman has had sex with the man there's often some sort of an effort on her part to start a relationship, even if they know perfectly well that it's probably not going to last. The guy doesn't mind because he knows he's going to get laid a few additional times. If the man waits and decides to have "in-depth discussions" with the woman he will reveal more complicated and potentially more off-putting qualities about himself and the woman more often than not decides to start looking elsewhere. That or you'll end up as the "friend".

It's not always that simplistic of course, but that's how it seems to go in a more practical sense (I'm not going to throw in any type of pseudo-Darwinist theories that often appear in these discussions). I've tried it both ways myself and I don't think what I describe can be too far off from the truth. Of course if you want to find someone you'd want to share your life with then she's better off being drawn to the more complicated, less stereotypical side of you too. But for casual sex I've known perfectly well that I should just shut up about all the nerdy stuff that I really like and let the women keep whatever naive fantasies they have of me due to my appearance. Let them think I'm a "rock guitarist" instead of a "guy that codes free software for Linux". The last thing I should do is to discuss my political views.

However, the biggest reason why people have to continuously bring these things up is that there are too many people out there that simply aren't ready for a relationship. Either it's one of the two participants involved or both of them. If the other person doesn't want to be with someone that is "nice" then that's his or her problem - why do you think these people are still single?

Shit, such a long post again. I must have some work waiting to be done that I'm trying to avoid this morning.

[Edited 12/31/11 4:17am]

@ the list.... no offense but imo that list seems overly simplistic and stereotypical rolled into one..

What is a "nice Guy"? To be nice you have to be attractive, thats the story of the word nice, nobody wants an "unpleasant" day, but they love a "Nice day" - See what I mean?

I do not mean "look nice" but you have to meet a certain criteria of the person who is seeking you.

Women and Men who "look" for a "Specific" something in a relationship, are not, in my opinion fully matured. Relationships are built around accepting that you like and dislike something about a person, but the things you dislike are less important to the ones you like, if that makes sense, kind of like the Movie Shallow Hal, that makes perfect sense

I used to think I was a "Nice" Guy, I never slept around, never had a one night stand and never ever cheated on any of my partners, then I told a (at that time) current Girlfriend this and she laughed at me

Go Figure..........

Deadcake said:

PurpleJedi said:

Good...'cause I've been wracking my brain trying to determine what my "hidden agenda" might be.

Pussy! Same as bad boys. Bad boys just don't hide it, it's just THE agenda to them

CallMeCarrie said:

I have different ways that a man can become attractive to me. And by attractive, I don't necessarily mean physically attractive, but one that I want to date.

1. Even From A Distance - this is a guy who I think is hot physically and I will instantly accept a first date from him. Now he's got to give me some substance on that first date or he won't get a second.

2. Instant Chemistry - this is a guy who I get along with right away when we start talking (looks be damned - it doesn't matter!)

3. A Grower - this is a guy who I am not instantly attracted to physically and doesn't charm me right away with chemistry. But BECAUSE HE IS NICE I keep in touch with and the more I get to know about him, the more I admire him, and that makes him more attractive to me.

So a nice guy can become a grower. It just takes a little more time in the "friend" category.

(Don't stop being who you are, PurpleJedi! I'm a fan of yours!)

That's awesome Carrie!

imago said:

Machaela said:

You're a very nice asshole guy

Pr1nceQuik said:

All that is a myth.

If you have money, or even better, rich and famous, you can practically get any women in the world. Don't matter how nice you are or dull.

Yeah, money & fame are the great equalizers!

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Hmmmm...let's see...

PurpleJedi said:

Whatever. Just read it. Agree, disagree, then discuss.

No.10 Nice Guys Take Too Long To Recover

Nice guys and bad boys have the same low success rate when approaching women.

The difference is that bad boys hit on almost every woman they meet. Even if they're striking out most of the time, they still manage to find a date because they swing so often. They shrug off rejection and hit on someone else.

Nice guys, by contrast, work very slowly and only approach one woman they're most interested in. If they get rejected, they spend weeks or months licking their wounds before restarting the cycle

Well I'm not too sure about that. But even if they do take time to recover, so what? It shows to me a man has some soul, and is in touch with his feelings. They should know though, that rejection isn't the end of the road.

As far as this mentality of "on to the next one", I personally don't know how a woman can find that attractive. You gave a guy some of the best times of your life...and when it's over, rather than have a refractory period, he's on to the next bimbo? Well, you'll just feel disposable then, wouldn't you?

No.9 Nice guys are pushovers

Girls don't not like nice guys; they don't like spineless guys. You can be nice -- just don't be a pushover.

Again, not true. Kindness is not weakness. You can be nice, and still stand up for your rights. And beat occasional ass.

No.8 Nice Guys Have Hidden Agendas

In general, being a good person is attractive. The nice guy is something else. His niceness is not real; it's a social strategy, one that doesn't work, and he blames everyone else for that.

The nice guy lacks the self-confidence to ask someone out, or is otherwise after women who are not going to be interested in him. Such a guy may get into the habit of performing services for these women, trying to ingratiate himself into their company. But this never results in romantic interest. The nice guy may fly into a rage later since he is so frustrated and feels that he's not getting anything back for all his pains, but, really, he's just cheating himself.

If he has a hidden agenda that doesn't include mutual happiness between him and his gf/wife, then he's an egoist. And I have no time for those selfish bastards.

A nice guy lacks self-confidence? Well, aside from his own, who's fault is that? We live in a society where we teach our children, not to love themselves or to feel good about themselves. It takes a strong person to say "this society doesn't work for me, I'm going to live by the standards of my own." If a good man can actually do that...that to me, shows tremendous strength, and I find it quite attractive.

No.7 Nice Guys Don't Put Themselves First

What's wrong with nice guys? The biggest problem is that most are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simple pleasure of giving. You never know if a nice guy really likes you for who you are or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him.

They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be on -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them.

Nice guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of compromising and negotiating, they repeatedly give in. When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that "Everything I did, I did for her," as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner.

Refer to No. 8. I blame society for this. And as far as afraid to speak their mind, why not give someone the chance to find their voice? You may be surprised by what they have to say.

No.6 Men rule and women drool

For the past few millennia, the social structure was for men to be rulers and women their servants (or property, depends how you look at it). Women in history were inferior.

The emancipation of women is a recent trend. One hundred years or so is a brief moment in history and social evolution.

Women who do like nice guys are early adopters. They are the women who study computer science, start their own business, etc.
The other type, the traditional one, who hasn't yet internalized the new social order, still looks for a man-ruler, a man who will own her.

I hope a pineapple is being shoved, spikes first, up the ass of whoever wrote this. The so-called "traditional" women are now very much in the minority now as more and more women achieve their potential in life.

And please...not every "smart, independent woman" chooses a "nice guy". I've seen too many of my collegues, smart, educated, beautiful women, fall head over heels for a man who treats them like garbage.

No.5 Niceness Doesn't Rank Above Other Characteristics

Niceness is evaluated as a threshold issue. In other words, when a woman compares two guys who don't make her feel miserable, one being "nicer" than the other is usually not the deciding factor. Looked at this way, it's clear to me that looks, entertainment value, social status value, and even money rank above niceness for the overall population of women. Then there is the psychological effect: Being too nice may be perceived as a signal that you lack the higher value traits.

Not me. If you can hold decent conversation and you have good hygeine, then you've already captured my attention.

No.4 It's Easier For Nice Guys To Mess Up

Having a brand as a "nice guy" enormously raises expectations: The truth is, no one is nice 100% of the time, even if they just screw up by accident. The difference is that when the slightly jerky guy screws up, "that's just how he is sometimes," whereas when the nice guy screws up, he's perceived as a hypocrite who was only pretending to be nice all along to get into the girl's pants. If you don't believe this observation, just look at the top-rated answer on this question and how many votes it has garnered.

I guess this would be the case where nice doesn't synonymously mean "smart". I think every deserves to have a margin of error, and if they screw up, both parties are at fault. The guy himself for trying to maintain an unnatural, unachievable perception of himself, and the audience, for having unreasonable expections of that man to begin with.

No.3 Nice Guys Have Low Self-Esteem

Based on personal experience and observation, I'd say the "nice guys finish last" cliche is an absolute fallacy. It is reinforced by a tendency to seek out and notice cliche-affirming situations and by characterizations of nice guys and bad boys by the popular media. I'd also argue that other personality traits may be common among people considered to be nice guys, such as low self-esteem, shyness or submissiveness, which may influence their ability to find women who are romantically interested in them.

See reasons 7 and 8.

No.2 Nice Guys Won't Admit That It's Not Her But Them

Girls like nice guys. A lot.

"Girls don't like nice guys" is what losers tell themselves when they don't want to actually consider what it is about themselves that women don't like. It's somehow easier to tell themselves that they keep getting rejected because they are "too nice" rather than because their breath stinks or because they're obnoxious little whiners.

Women aren't stupid. They aren't rejecting people because they are too good.

A point I finally agree with. Really, stop that bs.

No.1 Nice Guys Aren't Nice Guys

Nice guys are rarely actually nice. Nice guys, as in the guys who complain about how women don't like them because they're too nice, are more often uninteresting, insecure and very entitled. They are the sort of guys who believe that if they open a door for a girl, she should sleep with them, and if she doesn't give them the time of day, it's because women only like jerks.

Every man, good or bad, feels he's entitled to something. Rarely do they ask, am I worthy of it? What strategy other than what i've used can give me what I seek? "What am I not understanding?" is the question they should ask rather than "Why am I failing?"

They do nothing but bitch bitch bitch about how they're not getting enough. If they think that simple gentlemanly gestures like opening a door, or sharing your umbrella will get a woman to rip her clothes off, then thier logic is flawed. Simple as that.

If you want something, make changes in yourself to go get it. Remember Caveman...fire didn't just miraculously knock on your door and ask to stay the night.

OK...some of those are bad stereotypes, but others hit it right on the nose.

Painfully so.

2012...guys, time to live like a rockstar!

Read more: http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/girls-and-nice-guys_10.html#ixzz1i3OK6FBJ

And PurpleJedi...dude...

I can also argue that men don't really like good girls or nice girls. They'd prefer the one that puts out first.

But eh...

novabrkr said:

Many "nice guys" I know are in relationships and have never had to spend long periods of time being single. Their girlfriends and wives are smart, good-looking and usually have a high level of education themselves. There's a good reason why some women don't like "nice guys" - those women are not "nice girls" themselves. Why would you expect some terribly selfish, prejudiced, openly materialistic woman to be drawn to a man that doesn't exhibit similar qualities and is most likely opposed to such aspects in today's society? It's a whole another question why do smart, educated men so often want to be with that type of women that are more or less just airheads.

I think the biggest reason why "assholes" have sexual relations with more women than the "nice guys" is because they aim to establish physical contact with the women during a very early stage. Women at this point are still mainly attracted to the other person due to an initial mental image that they have of him. If they don't mind the other person kissing, fondling or groping them early on then it usually leads into sex quickly. Once the woman has had sex with the man there's often some sort of an effort on her part to start a relationship, even if they know perfectly well that it's probably not going to last. The guy doesn't mind because he knows he's going to get laid a few additional times. If the man waits and decides to have "in-depth discussions" with the woman he will reveal more complicated and potentially more off-putting qualities about himself and the woman more often than not decides to start looking elsewhere. That or you'll end up as the "friend".

It's not always that simplistic of course, but that's how it seems to go in a more practical sense (I'm not going to throw in any type of pseudo-Darwinist theories that often appear in these discussions). I've tried it both ways myself and I don't think what I describe can be too far off from the truth. Of course if you want to find someone you'd want to share your life with then she's better off being drawn to the more complicated, less stereotypical side of you too. But for casual sex I've known perfectly well that I should just shut up about all the nerdy stuff that I really like and let the women keep whatever naive fantasies they have of me due to my appearance. Let them think I'm a "rock guitarist" instead of a "guy that codes free software for Linux". The last thing I should do is to discuss my political views.

However, the biggest reason why people have to continuously bring these things up is that there are too many people out there that simply aren't ready for a relationship. Either it's one of the two participants involved or both of them. If the other person doesn't want to be with someone that is "nice" then that's his or her problem - why do you think these people are still single?

Shit, such a long post again. I must have some work waiting to be done that I'm trying to avoid this morning.

...very...very...interesting...

Pr1nceQuik said:

All that is a myth.

If you have money, or even better, rich and famous, you can practically get any women in the world. Don't matter how nice you are or dull.

PREACH!!!

PurpleJedi said:

No.1 Nice Guys Aren't Nice Guys

Ok.. this wasn't a waste of time and was very informative.......

Some "nice guys" are really submissives/subs, bottoms or whatever you want to call it.

Some bitchy women are really just tops/doms whatever.

Christianity says that the women is submissive to the husband but that does not work for all people. Some women are attracted to submissive men. Those men are usually attracted to dominating women.

My idea; if people were honest with themselves about what they really want in a partner then they could begin to honestly look for the right one for them.

Not all dominating women are unfeeling. There are some caring and appreciative ones out there( who are more then willing to love on a cute Puerto Rican sub that may not be into pain).

Deadflow3r said:

Some "nice guys" are really submissives/subs, bottoms or whatever you want to call it.

Some bitchy women are really just tops/doms whatever.

Christianity says that the women is submissive to the husband but that does not work for all people. Some women are attracted to submissive men. Those men are usually attracted to dominating women.

My idea; if people were honest with themselves about what they really want in a partner then they could begin to honestly look for the right one for them.

Not all dominating women are unfeeling. There are some caring and appreciative ones out there( who are more then willing to love on a cute Puerto Rican sub that may not be into pain).

I used to like bad boys when i was younger but i grew up.

Bad Guys suck, i don't have time for all that damn drama.

Nice guys are so much better

lenis said:

Not gonna lie, I was down for this back in the 90's, it was sooo MJ and Prince sounding to me, I got the album shipped to me without wanting it and ended up loving this song!

And you know what's the worst? A bad guy trying to be good or a good guy trying to be bad.....gee this totally sounds like the Bad album, and it happens to me my favourite too, yet in the real world.....

In reality though, I like respectful guys with a strong backbone. They have to be in touch with their emotions, but if this involves being clingy, needy and saying they can't live without me, forget it.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Hmmmm...let's see...

PurpleJedi said:

Whatever. Just read it. Agree, disagree, then discuss.

No.10 Nice Guys Take Too Long To Recover

Nice guys and bad boys have the same low success rate when approaching women.

The difference is that bad boys hit on almost every woman they meet. Even if they're striking out most of the time, they still manage to find a date because they swing so often. They shrug off rejection and hit on someone else.

Nice guys, by contrast, work very slowly and only approach one woman they're most interested in. If they get rejected, they spend weeks or months licking their wounds before restarting the cycle

Well I'm not too sure about that. But even if they do take time to recover, so what? It shows to me a man has some soul, and is in touch with his feelings. They should know though, that rejection isn't the end of the road.

As far as this mentality of "on to the next one", I personally don't know how a woman can find that attractive. You gave a guy some of the best times of your life...and when it's over, rather than have a refractory period, he's on to the next bimbo? Well, you'll just feel disposable then, wouldn't you?

No.9 Nice guys are pushovers

Girls don't not like nice guys; they don't like spineless guys. You can be nice -- just don't be a pushover.

Again, not true. Kindness is not weakness. You can be nice, and still stand up for your rights. And beat occasional ass.

No.8 Nice Guys Have Hidden Agendas

In general, being a good person is attractive. The nice guy is something else. His niceness is not real; it's a social strategy, one that doesn't work, and he blames everyone else for that.

The nice guy lacks the self-confidence to ask someone out, or is otherwise after women who are not going to be interested in him. Such a guy may get into the habit of performing services for these women, trying to ingratiate himself into their company. But this never results in romantic interest. The nice guy may fly into a rage later since he is so frustrated and feels that he's not getting anything back for all his pains, but, really, he's just cheating himself.

If he has a hidden agenda that doesn't include mutual happiness between him and his gf/wife, then he's an egoist. And I have no time for those selfish bastards.

A nice guy lacks self-confidence? Well, aside from his own, who's fault is that? We live in a society where we teach our children, not to love themselves or to feel good about themselves. It takes a strong person to say "this society doesn't work for me, I'm going to live by the standards of my own." If a good man can actually do that...that to me, shows tremendous strength, and I find it quite attractive.

No.7 Nice Guys Don't Put Themselves First

What's wrong with nice guys? The biggest problem is that most are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simple pleasure of giving. You never know if a nice guy really likes you for who you are or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him.

They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be on -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them.

Nice guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of compromising and negotiating, they repeatedly give in. When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that "Everything I did, I did for her," as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner.

Refer to No. 8. I blame society for this. And as far as afraid to speak their mind, why not give someone the chance to find their voice? You may be surprised by what they have to say.

No.6 Men rule and women drool

For the past few millennia, the social structure was for men to be rulers and women their servants (or property, depends how you look at it). Women in history were inferior.

The emancipation of women is a recent trend. One hundred years or so is a brief moment in history and social evolution.

Women who do like nice guys are early adopters. They are the women who study computer science, start their own business, etc.
The other type, the traditional one, who hasn't yet internalized the new social order, still looks for a man-ruler, a man who will own her.

I hope a pineapple is being shoved, spikes first, up the ass of whoever wrote this. The so-called "traditional" women are now very much in the minority now as more and more women achieve their potential in life.

And please...not every "smart, independent woman" chooses a "nice guy". I've seen too many of my collegues, smart, educated, beautiful women, fall head over heels for a man who treats them like garbage.

No.5 Niceness Doesn't Rank Above Other Characteristics

Niceness is evaluated as a threshold issue. In other words, when a woman compares two guys who don't make her feel miserable, one being "nicer" than the other is usually not the deciding factor. Looked at this way, it's clear to me that looks, entertainment value, social status value, and even money rank above niceness for the overall population of women. Then there is the psychological effect: Being too nice may be perceived as a signal that you lack the higher value traits.

Not me. If you can hold decent conversation and you have good hygeine, then you've already captured my attention.

No.4 It's Easier For Nice Guys To Mess Up

Having a brand as a "nice guy" enormously raises expectations: The truth is, no one is nice 100% of the time, even if they just screw up by accident. The difference is that when the slightly jerky guy screws up, "that's just how he is sometimes," whereas when the nice guy screws up, he's perceived as a hypocrite who was only pretending to be nice all along to get into the girl's pants. If you don't believe this observation, just look at the top-rated answer on this question and how many votes it has garnered.

I guess this would be the case where nice doesn't synonymously mean "smart". I think every deserves to have a margin of error, and if they screw up, both parties are at fault. The guy himself for trying to maintain an unnatural, unachievable perception of himself, and the audience, for having unreasonable expections of that man to begin with.

No.3 Nice Guys Have Low Self-Esteem

Based on personal experience and observation, I'd say the "nice guys finish last" cliche is an absolute fallacy. It is reinforced by a tendency to seek out and notice cliche-affirming situations and by characterizations of nice guys and bad boys by the popular media. I'd also argue that other personality traits may be common among people considered to be nice guys, such as low self-esteem, shyness or submissiveness, which may influence their ability to find women who are romantically interested in them.

See reasons 7 and 8.

No.2 Nice Guys Won't Admit That It's Not Her But Them

Girls like nice guys. A lot.

"Girls don't like nice guys" is what losers tell themselves when they don't want to actually consider what it is about themselves that women don't like. It's somehow easier to tell themselves that they keep getting rejected because they are "too nice" rather than because their breath stinks or because they're obnoxious little whiners.

Women aren't stupid. They aren't rejecting people because they are too good.

A point I finally agree with. Really, stop that bs.

No.1 Nice Guys Aren't Nice Guys

Nice guys are rarely actually nice. Nice guys, as in the guys who complain about how women don't like them because they're too nice, are more often uninteresting, insecure and very entitled. They are the sort of guys who believe that if they open a door for a girl, she should sleep with them, and if she doesn't give them the time of day, it's because women only like jerks.

Every man, good or bad, feels he's entitled to something. Rarely do they ask, am I worthy of it? What strategy other than what i've used can give me what I seek? "What am I not understanding?" is the question they should ask rather than "Why am I failing?"

They do nothing but bitch bitch bitch about how they're not getting enough. If they think that simple gentlemanly gestures like opening a door, or sharing your umbrella will get a woman to rip her clothes off, then thier logic is flawed. Simple as that.

If you want something, make changes in yourself to go get it. Remember Caveman...fire didn't just miraculously knock on your door and ask to stay the night.

OK...some of those are bad stereotypes, but others hit it right on the nose.

Painfully so.

2012...guys, time to live like a rockstar!

Read more: http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/girls-and-nice-guys_10.html#ixzz1i3OK6FBJ

And PurpleJedi...dude...

I can also argue that men don't really like good girls or nice girls. They'd prefer the one that puts out first.

But eh...

The idea that "good" or "nice" women don't put out is BS.

"Nice guy" and "Sniveling bitch" are not one in the same. Hell, nice doesn't even mean submissive.

I have dated a ton of nice guys, but I'll leave a sniveling bitch dick in hand and cold everytime. I don't have time for that shit.

I'm a dominate woman and I usually like my men a little more on the submissive side.

On the flip side I like my women small, short, small breasted, territorial, hot to fuck, assertive, and lightweight demanding.

LadyCasanova said:

"Nice guy" and "Sniveling bitch" are not one in the same. Hell, nice doesn't even mean submissive.

I have dated a ton of nice guys, but I'll leave a sniveling bitch dick in hand and cold everytime. I don't have time for that shit.

I'm a dominate woman and I usually like my men a little more on the submissive side.

On the flip side I like my women small, short, small breasted, territorial, hot to fuck, assertive, and lightweight demanding.

PurpleJedi said:

LadyCasanova said:

"Nice guy" and "Sniveling bitch" are not one in the same. Hell, nice doesn't even mean submissive.

I have dated a ton of nice guys, but I'll leave a sniveling bitch dick in hand and cold everytime. I don't have time for that shit.

I'm a dominate woman and I usually like my men a little more on the submissive side.

On the flip side I like my women small, short, small breasted, territorial, hot to fuck, assertive, and lightweight demanding.

You know you can have it...whenever you want it

LadyCasanova said:

PurpleJedi said:

You know you can have it...whenever you want it

...just let me get the airfare together babe...

PurpleJedi said:

LadyCasanova said:

You know you can have it...whenever you want it

...just let me get the airfare together babe...

I already asked my current partner...and she org stalked you and your posts. Shes down to tag team you as long as you don't mind:

1) Eating her

2) Fucking me from behind while I suck her clit

3) Using Protection

4) Getting spanked

5) Lots and lots of nasty talk

6) That we are the boss

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You do not want to get involved with women who don't like nice guys. Self-esteem issues.

If you folks are gonna insist on getting involved in one of these "romantic relationship" thingies and you're hoping that it'll last - without drama - for a long time, your best odds are going with someone who's mature and emotionally healthy. People who want "bad boys" or "bad girls" are not these things.

Ace said:

You do not want to get involved with women who don't like nice guys. Self-esteem issues.

If you folks are gonna insist on getting involved in one of these "romantic relationship" thingies and you're hoping that it'll last - without drama - for a long time, your best odds are going with someone who's mature and emotionally healthy. People who want "bad boys" or "bad girls" are not these things.

I'm sorry Ace, but the post above you has got me thinking about nothing but flying out to California.

Maybe after a day or two I'll revisit your post and read the words then.

...meanwhile excuse me...I have to go, uhm, check on something...

Pr1nceQuik said:

All that is a myth.

If you have money, or even better, rich and famous, you can practically get any women in the world. Don't matter how nice you are or dull.

Talking about a generalisation lol. BUT no woman - so far - has objected to you making it.

So suppose, that you "practically" could get any woman in the world with fame and money, how many women could you actually keep? And how many of them could you keep from robbing you and making you feel like a total loser when it's all over because you finally found out that all she ever really loved was your fame and money?

PurpleJedi said:

Ace said:

You do not want to get involved with women who don't like nice guys. Self-esteem issues.

If you folks are gonna insist on getting involved in one of these "romantic relationship" thingies and you're hoping that it'll last - without drama - for a long time, your best odds are going with someone who's mature and emotionally healthy. People who want "bad boys" or "bad girls" are not these things.

I'm sorry Ace, but the post above you has got me thinking about nothing but flying out to California.

Maybe after a day or two I'll revisit your post and read the words then.

Don't fall for it, PJ!
If past experience has taught me anything
it's that in a menage a trois involving two women,
when they say that they are the boss,
it gonna involve a big donkey-esque strap-on with your name all over it!

Tremolina said:

Pr1nceQuik said:

All that is a myth.

If you have money, or even better, rich and famous, you can practically get any women in the world. Don't matter how nice you are or dull.

Talking about a generalisation lol. BUT no woman - so far - has objected to you making it.

So suppose, that you "practically" could get any woman in the world with fame and money, how many women could you actually keep? And how many of them could you keep from robbing you and making you feel like a total loser when it's all over because you finally found out that all she ever really loved was your fame and money?

Not really "rich and famous" BUT my late uncle "C" was both wealthy (by Honduran standards) and a horndog.

He would travel throughout Honduras doing business, and was one of those "had a woman in every port" type guys. But, because he had money, if they got knocked up he'd set them up with a house. So wherever he travelled, he'd have a place to stay-&-slay. His wife (my aunt) pretty much dealt with it b/c she lived very, very comfortably.

He died 10 years ago...at the time of his death his oldest son was 35, his youngest 6 months old, and I have something like 30 cousins in between.

So the short answer is you can keep ALOT of women, so long as you find the "right" ones.

Visionnaire said:

PurpleJedi said:

I'm sorry Ace, but the post above you has got me thinking about nothing but flying out to California.

Maybe after a day or two I'll revisit your post and read the words then.

Don't fall for it, PJ!
If past experience has taught me anything
it's that in a menage a trois involving two women,
when they say that they are the boss,
it gonna involve a big donkey-esque strap-on with your name all over it!

:gulp: