SUPRMAN said:

shorttrini said:

What do you mean, "What was his moral and eithical responsibility"? First, it happened under his watch and the crime was committed by a memeber of his staff. Secondly, most of the money that you speak of, is becuse of his reputation and presence at that school. Before he came to the school, they were no really known for anything. It was a cover up alright, to protect his ass and the money. The one thing that I find funny is, people are more concerned with whether or not, he should coach the game on Saturday, then what a member of his staff, did to a 10 year old kid....WOW!!.

Joe Pa coached there for 46 years and worked there before he became head coach.

Penn St. is no Ohio St., Michigan, USC, Alabama or other football powerhouse. They've barely been ranked in the past decade. Only two national championships in his 46 years.

People aren't more concerned about whether he should coach, he's been fired.

As for not being known for anything, that may be your impression.

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Penn State University Park is ranked among the top 15 public universities nationally ^[8] and is considered to be one of America's Public Ivy universities, which recognizes top public research universities in the United States.^[9][10] Annual enrollment at the University Park campus totals more than 44,000 graduate and undergraduate students, making it one of the largest universities in the United States.

Athletic teams at Penn State have won 68 national collegiate team championships (37 NCAA, 2 consensus Division I football titles, 6 AIAW, 3 USWLA, 1 WIBC, and 4 national titles in boxing, 11 in men's soccer and one in wrestling in years prior to NCAA sponsorship)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...University

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I am talking about, before he even set foot in that University. Let's face it, the main reason why people choose to go to that school IS because of the atlhletics program and Joe Paterno. Yes, he has been fired and rightly so. Those who support him, don't believe that he should lose his job, BECAUSE of who he is. To me, that is a bunch of bullshit. You can spit out all of the facts and figures you want to. It still does not hide the fact, that what happened at that school is wrong and the fact that it involved his staff and under his watch is wrong...Bottom line....

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shorttrini said:

SUPRMAN said:

Joe Pa coached there for 46 years and worked there before he became head coach.

Penn St. is no Ohio St., Michigan, USC, Alabama or other football powerhouse. They've barely been ranked in the past decade. Only two national championships in his 46 years.

People aren't more concerned about whether he should coach, he's been fired.

As for not being known for anything, that may be your impression.

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Penn State University Park is ranked among the top 15 public universities nationally ^[8] and is considered to be one of America's Public Ivy universities, which recognizes top public research universities in the United States.^[9][10] Annual enrollment at the University Park campus totals more than 44,000 graduate and undergraduate students, making it one of the largest universities in the United States.

Athletic teams at Penn State have won 68 national collegiate team championships (37 NCAA, 2 consensus Division I football titles, 6 AIAW, 3 USWLA, 1 WIBC, and 4 national titles in boxing, 11 in men's soccer and one in wrestling in years prior to NCAA sponsorship)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...University

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I am talking about, before he even set foot in that University. Let's face it, the main reason why people choose to go to that school IS because of the atlhletics program and Joe Paterno. Yes, he has been fired and rightly so. Those who support him, don't believe that he should lose his job, BECAUSE of who he is. To me, that is a bunch of bullshit. You can spit out all of the facts and figures you want to. It still does not hide the fact, that what happened at that school is wrong and the fact that it involved his staff and under his watch is wrong...Bottom line....

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Not arguing that what happened isn't wrong, just your depiction of the school.

You may know it only through its football program but everyone doesn't have that narrow prism to view it through.

Was Sandusky still coaching on the staff beyond the alleged 2002 incident?

If so, Joe Pa and the administration was definitely wrong not to follow up on

this immediately.

phunkdaddy said: Was Sandusky still coaching on the staff beyond the alleged 2002 incident?

If so, Joe Pa and the administration was definitely wrong not to follow up on

this immediately.

No, Mr. Sandusky wasn't on the coaching staff, he retired from Penn in 1998. The same year the DA was investigating allegations that Mr. Sandusky made sexual advances towards a boy as they showered at Penn State's althletic facilicty. The same DA that dissappeared that year.... curious indeed.

This may all be coincidence.... random events that fall in order of a timeline that makes it seem there's more to this story than there is. It doese raise some questions. 1) Why would a national noted defensive coach of a major footbal program retire in his prime? 2) Why didn't any other college's try to hire Sandusky after his Penn State tenture ended? It's been reported Mr. Sandusky was devasted when he was called in and told he would never be head coach of Penn State's football team; even though most thought he was the heir apparent. He allegedly shared this news; his feelings with one of his victims.

Let me also say this.

You can be fired in the US for damn near any reason and its legal. ... with the noted acceptions of bias (age, race, religion, sexual orientation etc.) or because you're a whistleblower. People who are members of a Union are afforded more protection against automatic terminations. Most companies /institutions have sometime type of code of conduct, ethical, and moral clauses... especaily people who work in educational institutions.

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TD3 said:

phunkdaddy said: Was Sandusky still coaching on the staff beyond the alleged 2002 incident?

If so, Joe Pa and the administration was definitely wrong not to follow up on

this immediately.

No, Mr. Sandusky wasn't on the coaching staff, he retired from Penn in 1998. The same year the DA was investigating allegations that Mr. Sandusky made sexual advances towards a boy as they showered at Penn State's althletic facilicty. The same DA that dissappeared that year.... curious indeed.

This may all be coincidence.... random events that fall in order of a timeline that makes it seem there's more to this story than there is. It doese raise some questions. 1) Why would a national noted defensive coach of a major footbal program retire in his prime? 2) Why didn't any other college's try to hire Sandusky after his Penn State tenture ended? It's been reported Mr. Sandusky was devasted when he was called in and told he would never be head coach of Penn State's football team; even though most thought he was the heir apparent. He allegedly shared this news; his feelings with one of his victims.

Let me also say this.

You can be fired in the US for damn near any reason and its legal. ... with the noted acceptions of bias (age, race, religion, sexual orientation etc.) or because you're a whistleblower. People who are members of a Union are afforded more protection against automatic terminations. Most companies /institutions have sometime type of code of conduct, ethical, and moral clauses... especaily people who work in educational institutions.

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and even though he "retired", he was still given, total access to the school and the sports facilities....Which I found rather strange.

shorttrini said:

TD3 said:

No, Mr. Sandusky wasn't on the coaching staff, he retired from Penn in 1998. The same year the DA was investigating allegations that Mr. Sandusky made sexual advances towards a boy as they showered at Penn State's althletic facilicty. The same DA that dissappeared that year.... curious indeed.

This may all be coincidence.... random events that fall in order of a timeline that makes it seem there's more to this story than there is. It doese raise some questions. 1) Why would a national noted defensive coach of a major footbal program retire in his prime? 2) Why didn't any other college's try to hire Sandusky after his Penn State tenture ended? It's been reported Mr. Sandusky was devasted when he was called in and told he would never be head coach of Penn State's football team; even though most thought he was the heir apparent. He allegedly shared this news; his feelings with one of his victims.

Let me also say this.

You can be fired in the US for damn near any reason and its legal. ... with the noted acceptions of bias (age, race, religion, sexual orientation etc.) or because you're a whistleblower. People who are members of a Union are afforded more protection against automatic terminations. Most companies /institutions have sometime type of code of conduct, ethical, and moral clauses... especaily people who work in educational institutions.

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and even though he "retired", he was still given, total access to the school and the sports facilities....Which I found rather strange.

If Sandusky was allowed to retire with Emeritus status from Penn State, to some degree it could explain why Sundusky was allowed to use Penn State's facilities. The thing is when the President of Penn State, Penn State's Athletic Director, and Coach Paterno were told of 2002 incident, Sandusky was allowed to bring boys with him onto the sidelines during football games.... as late as 2007. Though is was reported he was barred from bring anymore boys up use college facilities; he was still allowed use Penn State's auxiliary facilities. I'm not sure why people seem to be shocked Paterno was fired. It appears people looked the other way because they put football, money, and public image ahead of possible criminality. To put it bluntly, they didn't give a shit.

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Oh this is absolutely disgusting...

What's wrong with this society that we allow things like to happen to our children?? I hope he goes to jail and gets beaten to death for what he's done to these children. There is no forgiveness and no punishment great enough for such foul and malicious acts against these young boys...

What a shame chemical castration is not legal in this country...

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Oh this is absolutely disgusting...

What's wrong with this society that we allow things like to happen to our children?? I hope he goes to jail and gets beaten to death for what he's done to these children. There is no forgiveness and no punishment great enough for such foul and malicious acts against these young boys...

What a shame chemical castration is not legal in this country...

He should go to jail for life, but beaten to death in prison? Not part of his sentence.

Strange how people respond to barbarism with more barbarism.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

I hope he goes to jail and gets beaten to death for what he's done to these children.

If he does receive jailhouse justice, boo-fucking-hoo-hoo. I could care less about that subhuman, after all the lives he ruined.

SUPRMAN said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Oh this is absolutely disgusting...

What's wrong with this society that we allow things like to happen to our children?? I hope he goes to jail and gets beaten to death for what he's done to these children. There is no forgiveness and no punishment great enough for such foul and malicious acts against these young boys...

What a shame chemical castration is not legal in this country...

He should go to jail for life, but beaten to death in prison? Not part of his sentence.

Strange how people respond to barbarism with more barbarism.

Tell that to those children and their parents...

Forgive my anger, SUPRMAN...but I stand by my initial statement. There is no punishment great enough for this man if those allegations are true.

I don't hate much in this world...but I fucking HATE Pedophiles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

SUPRMAN said:

He should go to jail for life, but beaten to death in prison? Not part of his sentence.

Strange how people respond to barbarism with more barbarism.

Tell that to those children and their parents...

Forgive my anger, SUPRMAN...but I stand by my initial statement. There is no punishment great enough for this man if those allegations are true.

Forgiven.

I certainly would tell that to those children and their parents.

I understand the anger. I have no problem with that.

Of course there is no punishment great enough than man can impose.

I understand where your statement comes from.

If we want to change the law, so that pedophiles are beaten to death, we can do that, but to throw out the rule of law because of anger is dangerously wrong.

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uPtoWnNY said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

I hope he goes to jail and gets beaten to death for what he's done to these children.

If he does receive jailhouse justice, boo-fucking-hoo-hoo. I could care less about that subhuman, after all the lives he ruined.

Such jailhouse justice is not justice, just barbarism.

He is not subhuman. He was born a human being and remains a human being.

I'm sure labeling him as such makes one feel better about advocating barbarism against him.

I'm sure if he were someone you knew personally, you would feel worse keeping company with a subhuman. If it were your father or brother I'm sure you would beat them to death yourself.

SUPRMAN said:

uPtoWnNY said:

If he does receive jailhouse justice, boo-fucking-hoo-hoo. I could care less about that subhuman, after all the lives he ruined.

Such jailhouse justice is not justice, just barbarism.

He is not subhuman. He was born a human being and remains a human being.

I'm sure labeling him as such makes one feel better about advocating barbarism against him.

I'm sure if he were someone you knew personally, you would feel worse keeping company with a subhuman. If it were your father or brother I'm sure you would beat them to death yourself.

uPtoWnNY said:

SUPRMAN said:

Such jailhouse justice is not justice, just barbarism.

He is not subhuman. He was born a human being and remains a human being.

I'm sure labeling him as such makes one feel better about advocating barbarism against him.

I'm sure if he were someone you knew personally, you would feel worse keeping company with a subhuman. If it were your father or brother I'm sure you would beat them to death yourself.

Whatever....you have your view of the world, I have mine. I'll never understand why you always try to lecture me on this shit. You're wasting your time.

Because I think it's wrong. Simple as that.

You don't ever expect it to be your father, uncle, brother, cousin, best friend so it's abtract to call a stranger subhuman and wish others to beat him to death to make you feel better.

These are real people with real lives, both the perpetrator and the victim.

Maybe it's my empathy for people that keeps me from being as callous and dismissive.

SUPRMAN said:

uPtoWnNY said:

If he does receive jailhouse justice, boo-fucking-hoo-hoo. I could care less about that subhuman, after all the lives he ruined.

Such jailhouse justice is not justice, just barbarism.

He is not subhuman. He was born a human being and remains a human being.

I'm sure labeling him as such makes one feel better about advocating barbarism against him.

I'm sure if he were someone you knew personally, you would feel worse keeping company with a subhuman. If it were your father or brother I'm sure you would beat them to death yourself.

He may be human, but his actions were, sub human. He needs needs to do some serious hard time, doing hard labor. My definition of hard labor would be exactly as it sounds, carrying heaving bricks and mortor, until the sun comes up, with no breaks in between. You don't harm a child, much less another human being, "Just Because". Those who knew about what he did, should suffer a similar fate. Is that humane enough for you?

shorttrini said:

SUPRMAN said:

Such jailhouse justice is not justice, just barbarism.

He is not subhuman. He was born a human being and remains a human being.

I'm sure labeling him as such makes one feel better about advocating barbarism against him.

I'm sure if he were someone you knew personally, you would feel worse keeping company with a subhuman. If it were your father or brother I'm sure you would beat them to death yourself.

He may be human, but his actions were, sub human. He needs needs to do some serious hard time, doing hard labor. My definition of hard labor would be exactly as it sounds, carrying heaving bricks and mortor, until the sun comes up, with no breaks in between. You don't harm a child, much less another human being, "Just Because". Those who knew about what he did, should suffer a similar fate. Is that humane enough for you?

His actions were not sub-human. Other mammals don't molest children of their species in such a manner. Are there other species where pedophelia exists? I don't know, but doubt it.

No problem with the hard labor except water, breaks and meal need to be provided. Still human beings. Not something we can strip away because we're disgusted.

These children weren't harmed 'just because.' He had reasons for the children he chose to molest. Just as he chose their age range even though he had access to adult male football players whom he apparently showed little or no interest in. I don't think he was worried about being beaten down for approaching a football player either. They were too old for his interest.

SUPRMAN said:

Because I think it's wrong. Simple as that.

You don't ever expect it to be your father, uncle, brother, cousin, best friend so it's abtract to call a stranger subhuman and wish others to beat him to death to make you feel better.

These are real people with real lives, both the perpetrator and the victim.

Maybe it's my empathy for people that keeps me from being as callous and dismissive.

I have empathy for folks people who are deserving of it, like the victims, not creeps like Sandusky. That's the difference between us. You can call it wrong, callous, I don't care.

uPtoWnNY said:

SUPRMAN said:

Because I think it's wrong. Simple as that.

You don't ever expect it to be your father, uncle, brother, cousin, best friend so it's abtract to call a stranger subhuman and wish others to beat him to death to make you feel better.

These are real people with real lives, both the perpetrator and the victim.

Maybe it's my empathy for people that keeps me from being as callous and dismissive.

I have empathy for folks people who are deserving of it, like the victims, not creeps like Sandusky. That's the difference between us. You can call it wrong, callous, I don't care.

I obviously have empathy for the victims also. It is wrong and callous and obvious you don't care.

I think you would care if it were someone you knew though who people wanted abuse and kill.

uPtoWnNY said:

SUPRMAN said:

Because I think it's wrong. Simple as that.

You don't ever expect it to be your father, uncle, brother, cousin, best friend so it's abtract to call a stranger subhuman and wish others to beat him to death to make you feel better.

These are real people with real lives, both the perpetrator and the victim.

Maybe it's my empathy for people that keeps me from being as callous and dismissive.

I have empathy for folks people who are deserving of it, like the victims, not creeps like Sandusky. That's the difference between us. You can call it wrong, callous, I don't care.

What he did is beyond forgiveness or empathy. If it was my relative I would feel the same way. Blood does not excuse this type of crime. A crime against children is the worst in my book. They are unable to defend themselves. He deserves to die.

noimageatall said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I have empathy for folks people who are deserving of it, like the victims, not creeps like Sandusky. That's the difference between us. You can call it wrong, callous, I don't care.

What he did is beyond forgiveness or empathy. If it was my relative I would feel the same way. Blood does not excuse this type of crime. A crime against children is the worst in my book. They are unable to defend themselves. He deserves to die.

I have empathy for people in general. None of us are as we hope to be.

My faith says no one is beyond forgiveness. If so, Christ's death meant nothing and served no purpose.

Agreed that blood does not excuse this type of crime, but my experience with people is that they tend to want leniency and mercy for people they care for while strangers are termed something other than human and deserving of the worst we can imagine for them.

This entire situation is unbelievable and sad. How on earth does a person witness a CHILD (or anybody at that) being raped and say nothing? I'm 5'3 and would have been all over his ass. Or I would have at least tried to.

This world, I swear......

Did anyone see this interview on NBC with the coach who allegedly raped those young kids? It is rather shocking and infuriating.

Just from the sounds of this guy, he sounds like a classic pedophile, and a real scum of the earth. If he is guilty of these crimes, he needs to be locked away for the rest of his life.

He and his lawyer should be hit upside the head with a 2by4, for letting him do this interview.... . This can be used in court to by the prosecution.....DUMB ASSES!!!

shorttrini said:

He and his lawyer should be hit upside the head with a 2by4, for letting him do this interview.... . This can be used in court to by the prosecution.....DUMB ASSES!!!

It's damage control and to speak to the jury pool before he goes to court.

It can be used, but it can't hurt to have people hear his side before the prosecution rips him apart.

What gets me is the long pause and ramblings we get from that man after he is asked are you sexually attractive to boys. If someone asked me that question I say hell no. Real quick-not pause, then ramble, and say no? Didn't believe the dude.

SUPRMAN said:

shorttrini said:

He and his lawyer should be hit upside the head with a 2by4, for letting him do this interview.... . This can be used in court to by the prosecution.....DUMB ASSES!!!

It's damage control and to speak to the jury pool before he goes to court.

It can be used, but it can't hurt to have people hear his side before the prosecution rips him apart.

Still not a smart thing to do, especially without your lawyer present. Let's see if he can get a fair trial now....If he didn't have a chance in hell before, he has a SNOWBALL'S chance in hell, now....

Turns out the judge who only gave Sandusky $100,000 bail has ties to his charity. Sickening.