lol at Kevin Hart screamin' "Say it wit ya chest!"

Wow...just wow. I don't believe what I just saw!!!!

This is precisely why I NEVER buy pay per view boxing matches anymore: the shit is so

wayward. Ortiz head butts Mayweather. They do the ceremonial embrace-I'm sorry-touch

gloves-ballet dance and as soons as they are finished, Mayweather decks him twice.

Ortiz: PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES! He had to learn this lesson the hard way because Mayweather is crafty (classless, if you ask me) and is the type of boxer that will drop you if

you don't.

Mayweather: CLASSLESS and won by a sucker punch knock out. I totally think he was retaliating for

the purposeful headbutt he received and by chance, his actions just happen to be legal. But it was totally classless.

Cortez: You need to be fired! What was he doing? Why was he looking away after

he separated the fighters?

Ugh.

Boxing is not what it used to be

I'm not a fan of Mayweather, but Ortiz deserved his fate in this situation.

You should be prepared to fight, not kiss and apologize.

Would Mayweather have tried so hard to show his affection? I doubt it, Mayweather is a punk but he is always ready in the ring, and that is why he has never lost.

What happened with Mayweather and the announcer afterwards? I've seen mention of it twice already, but they don't actually explain what set him off. Only that he called the guy "a name".

Cerebus said:

What happened with Mayweather and the announcer afterwards? I've seen mention of it twice already, but they don't actually explain what set him off. Only that he called the guy "a name".

Man... fuck this sport 'til Floyd fights Manny!

veronikka said:

Cerebus said:

What happened with Mayweather and the announcer afterwards? I've seen mention of it twice already, but they don't actually explain what set him off. Only that he called the guy "a name".

Well that's just all kinds of awesome. Thanks.

Cerebus said:

veronikka said:

Well that's just all kinds of awesome. Thanks.

Quite entertaining! People I was watching this with were saying Mayweather left that interview the way he did, trying to avoid the Manny fight question

duccichucka said:

Wow...just wow. I don't believe what I just saw!!!!

This is precisely why I NEVER buy pay per view boxing matches anymore: the shit is so

wayward. Ortiz head butts Mayweather. They do the ceremonial embrace-I'm sorry-touch

gloves-ballet dance and as soons as they are finished, Mayweather decks him twice.

Ortiz: PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES! He had to learn this lesson the hard way because Mayweather is crafty (classless, if you ask me) and is the type of boxer that will drop you if

you don't.

Mayweather: CLASSLESS and won by a sucker punch knock out. I totally think he was retaliating for

the purposeful headbutt he received and by chance, his actions just happen to be legal. But it was totally classless.

Cortez: You need to be fired! What was he doing? Why was he looking away after

he separated the fighters?

Ugh.

What match were you watching. This is a boxing match, Ortiz is the champ. He didn't have his hands up, his lost. Was Mayweather supposed to wait for him? I would have done the same thing, espiacly after a headbutt.

They made up long enough.

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

duccichucka said:

Wow...just wow. I don't believe what I just saw!!!!

This is precisely why I NEVER buy pay per view boxing matches anymore: the shit is so

wayward. Ortiz head butts Mayweather. They do the ceremonial embrace-I'm sorry-touch

gloves-ballet dance and as soons as they are finished, Mayweather decks him twice.

Ortiz: PROTECT YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES! He had to learn this lesson the hard way because Mayweather is crafty (classless, if you ask me) and is the type of boxer that will drop you if

you don't.

Mayweather: CLASSLESS and won by a sucker punch knock out. I totally think he was retaliating for

the purposeful headbutt he received and by chance, his actions just happen to be legal. But it was totally classless.

Cortez: You need to be fired! What was he doing? Why was he looking away after

he separated the fighters?

Ugh.

What match were you watching. This is a boxing match, Ortiz is the champ. He didn't have his hands up, his lost. Was Mayweather supposed to wait for him? I would have done the same thing, espiacly after a headbutt.

They made up long enough.

Nah, dude; you're speaking to a boxing purist and you're wrong. Me, Stewart and Lampley all thought that what Mayweather did, while it was legal, was not "professional." In boxing, it is customary for you to give your opponent the chance to back up to regroup with his dukes up while he's facing you after an embrace. Your statement makes me believe that you haven't watched enough boxing to realize that what transpired afterwards rarely occurs in boxing. Mayweather knew Ortiz was going to not put his dukes up after the embrace (no one ever does, despite being warned to protect themselves at all times) and cold cocked him albeit legally. Usually after an embrace, the fighters allow each other to regroup although they do not have to.

Ortiz should have known better, no doubt about it. But Mayweather went Bush league on Ortiz and it was tasteless.

And the ref was obviously distracted and should have been focused on the fighters and not ringside. Mayweather won fair and square but how you win fair and square usually goes a long way in determining future box receipts.

Well maybe Ortiz shouldn't have purposely headbutted him, if we're going to talk about professionalism.

Also, Mayweather had won the first three rounds on the scorecards. Not saying Ortiz couldn't have come back fairly, but headbutting somebody under those circumstances is even more suspect.

I do agree about not paying for PPV anymore, though. Haven't done it for years. The whole thing will be online in a few hours (if it isn't already) and get replayed on cable.

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In the first clip you have here, you can see that before Ortiz can back up to regroup like boxers normally do after an embrace (the custom being that you do not engage until both fighters acknowledge they are ready to do so. Sometimes, this is usually witnessed by both fighters touching gloves with their left hands.), Mayweather's countenance changes and he levies that 1-2 on Ortiz.

It was legal, it was payback, it was smart and it was Bush league.

In the second clip, you can clearly see that Cortez's attention is not where it should be; he already told the judges to deduct a point from Ortiz and his gaze and attention is directed ringside.

These clips do nothing but show three things: Ortiz got knocked out; Ortiz should have known better and Mayweather was crafty and unsportsmanslike.

duccichucka said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

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In the first clip you have here, you can see that before Ortiz can back up to regroup like boxers normally do after an embrace (the custom being that you do not engage until both fighters acknowledge they are ready to do so. Sometimes, this is usually witnessed by both fighters touching gloves with their left hands.), Mayweather's countenance changes and he levies that 1-2 on Ortiz.

It was legal, it was payback, it was smart and it was Bush league.

In the second clip, you can clearly see that Cortez's attention is not where it should be; he already told the judges to deduct a point from Ortiz and his gaze and attention is directed ringside.

These clips do nothing but show three things: Ortiz got knocked out; Ortiz should have known better and Mayweather was crafty and unsportsmanslike.

If Mayweather is unsportsmanlike, than what is Ortiz for his headbutt? Punches are legal in boxing, not headbutts.

Ortiz is not only a pro boxer, he's the freakin champ and he's fighting what most consider the best pound for pound boxer today. Protect yourself at all times.

The kissed and made up (literally) enough. Ortiz kissed him on the cheek and gave him a hug. Ortiz clearly wasn't ready, this is a fight not friends playin in the backyard.

It looked to me like Mayweather was ready to fight right after the glove tap.

He put his hands up when Ortiz came in for the hug and never took them down...then hauled off and knocked the shit out of that fool.

I understand and respect the "purist" point of view but I don't think Floyd was planning a cheap shot. Don't think it was classless or malicious. Floyd was just ready to fight.

Either way...that shit was SICK!

And I think he'll outsmart, outdance and beat Manny.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

duccichucka said:

In the first clip you have here, you can see that before Ortiz can back up to regroup like boxers normally do after an embrace (the custom being that you do not engage until both fighters acknowledge they are ready to do so. Sometimes, this is usually witnessed by both fighters touching gloves with their left hands.), Mayweather's countenance changes and he levies that 1-2 on Ortiz.

It was legal, it was payback, it was smart and it was Bush league.

In the second clip, you can clearly see that Cortez's attention is not where it should be; he already told the judges to deduct a point from Ortiz and his gaze and attention is directed ringside.

These clips do nothing but show three things: Ortiz got knocked out; Ortiz should have known better and Mayweather was crafty and unsportsmanslike.

If Mayweather is unsportsmanlike, than what is Ortiz for his headbutt? Punches are legal in boxing, not headbutts.

Ortiz is not only a pro boxer, he's the freakin champ and he's fighting what most consider the best pound for pound boxer today. Protect yourself at all times.

The kissed and made up (literally) enough. Ortiz kissed him on the cheek and gave him a hug. Ortiz clearly wasn't ready, this is a fight not friends playin in the backyard.

Ortiz was totally unsportsmanlike for his intentional head butt. That is why he was effusive with his apology and that is precisely why he got floored. He got knocked out fair and square. He was the champ and he should have known better as you have astutely pointed out the cardinal rule for boxing: protect yourself at all times.

And you are right again: Ortiz went overboard with the apology. He knew he fucked up: but that doesn't mean that what Mayweather did was professional. Here is another perspective that agrees with me - Mayweather legitimately knocked out Ortiz but it is how he did it:

LAS VEGAS -- Always protect yourself.

It's the first rule of boxing. And one that Victor Ortiz picked the wrong time to forget Saturday against Floyd Mayweather.

In one of the most bizarre endings in boxing history, Mayweather capitalized on a moment of immeasurable negligence by Ortiz to score a dramatic fourth-round knockout before a crowd of 14,687 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.

The devastating left-right combination came moments after Ortiz appeared to intentionally foul Mayweather with a head butt near his own corner. After referee Joe Cortez immediately called time so Mayweather could recover and deducted a point from Ortiz, both fighters moved to the center of the ring, hugged and touched gloves.

As Ortiz looked toward Cortez for some signal to restart -- with the Hall of Fame referee out of position and not even looking at the fighters -- Mayweather stepped back and uncoiled a sharp left hook that froze Ortiz, followed by a heat-seaking right that snapped the young champion's head back and dumped him to the canvas. Cortez counted him out and a disoriented Ortiz remained on the canvas for several minutes. The mostly pro-Ortiz crowd, out in force on Mexican Independence Day weekend, rained boos and catcalls on the surreal tableau.

A cheap shot, but a legal punch.

"Once we touch gloves, it's open season," said Mayweather (42-0, 26 KOs), who will make a minimum of $25 million, a figure certain to swell to as much as $40 million based on the pay-per-view receipts, closed-circuit revenues and foreign sales in 168 countries. "What goes around comes around."

From CNN.COM

So ya see: Mayweather got pay back for the headbutt. He is a smart, crafty and intelligent fighter. But man, what he did is what a trainer would not normally teach a fighter.

And Stoned, you're missing the point: Ortiz was not ready to fight, clearly. In boxing, although you don't have to, you wait for the other guy to acknowledge the fight is to be resumed. Ortiz dropped the ball, and got dropped for it.

StonedImmaculate said:

It looked to me like Mayweather was ready to fight right after the glove tap.

He put his hands up when Ortiz came in for the hug and never took them down...then hauled off and knocked the shit out of that fool.

I understand and respect the "purist" point of view but I don't think Floyd was planning a cheap shot. Don't think it was classless or malicious. Floyd was just ready to fight.

Either way...that shit was SICK!

And I think he'll outsmart, outdance and beat Manny.

And why on Earth do you think that Floyd Mayweather will outdance Manny Pacquiao? Mayweather does not dance; he's a defensive counter-puncher. Pacquiao dances every single round. And again, it was a cheap shot - but it was a cheap shot that is legal in that rarely will a punch be thrown immediately after an embrace and before the opposing fighter and the referee have both acknowledged that the fight is to resume.

What I mean is that I think Floyd will do the smart thing against Manny...stick and move and take it the distance, beating him on points.

I can't see him standing toe to toe with Manny and trying to counter him...Manny's too strong.

Then again I'm nowhere near a boxing expert. Just pulling for Floyd and I believe he can outsmart anyone in the ring.

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oh look at that, just like I said. Controversey aside, he was way ahead on points and it would have been more of the same if the fight went on.

Manny would beat Floyd. End of story. Too bad we'll NEVER get to see it.

JerseyKRS said:

oh look at that, just like I said. Controversey aside, he was way ahead on points and it would have been more of the same if the fight went on.

Manny would beat Floyd. End of story. Too bad we'll NEVER get to see it.

Which is why Floyd don't want to fight Manny and keeps avoiding him. He's scared of his ass and he knows that will be the end of his reign.

Cerebus said:

I do agree about not paying for PPV anymore, though. Haven't done it for years. The whole thing will be online in a few hours (if it isn't already) and get replayed on cable.

Exactly, I don't even waste money on that mess.

JerseyKRS said:

oh look at that, just like I said. Controversey aside, he was way ahead on points and it would have been more of the same if the fight went on.

Manny would beat Floyd. End of story. Too bad we'll NEVER get to see it.

You think Manny will beat FLoyd?

His defense is too good, and Manny is too small.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

JerseyKRS said:

oh look at that, just like I said. Controversey aside, he was way ahead on points and it would have been more of the same if the fight went on.

Manny would beat Floyd. End of story. Too bad we'll NEVER get to see it.

You think Manny will beat FLoyd?

His defense is too good, and Manny is too small.

Then why does Floyd keep putting the fight off?

Such a cheap shot. The definition of a bitch.

Fauxie said:

Lets look at it like this; have you ever been in a fight? If so, did you just stand there with your arms down, looking the other way, waiting for somebody to hit you? Ortiz should have been at the ready at all times. Its not like cheap shots (such as headbutts) don't happen in boxing all the time.

Cerebus said:

Lets look at it like this; have you ever been in a fight? If so, did you just stand there with your arms down, looking the other way, waiting for somebody to hit you? Ortiz should have been at the ready at all times. Its not like cheap shots (such as headbutts) don't happen in boxing all the time.

Everyone saying it's weak probably have never been in a fight, lol. When you're in a fight (especially a fight that already been goin on) you be ready for anything, espially after you just used a dirty headbutt. Mayweather was furious after that I bet.

After the first hit, he had enough time to put his hands up. But know, instead he looks at the ref waiting for him to do something, No muhphugga you do something, put our guard up.