imago said:

RodeoSchro said:

All I want to know is, which side did you root for in RodeoSchro vs. Frogs?

Yours of course. I can't take half credit for you if yuo're going to lose!

imago said:

Shaolin325 said:

I saw this last night. I enjoyed it overall, but was a little disapppointed with how much "movie" there was without the Apes. Of course Caesar was there the entire time, but I thought the Apes would have taken over earlier.

I also found myself cheering for the Apes - not sure what that says about me . I guess I'm just a sucker for an underdog (or in this case Ape). I loved how most of the Apes looked, except that ugly ass Orangutan! He was horrendus!

Overall the movie was good and it explains why humans were not there - for the most part - in the original "Planet Of The Apes". I assumed we were wiped out by whatever that lab technician/scientist got from the serum.

I would give it 3.5 stars out of 5

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I always thought it had to be a virus that took the human race out, because there simply were not enough apes to do the job on their own.

They didn't take over. They are a long way from that. But now they know how intelligent they are capable of being and can pass it to their offspring. Their population increases and soon enough they will naturally push out of the forest.

Favorite movie of the summer. Planning to see it again.

Couple of plot holes but this was a real good movie.

Much better than I expected. What the X-Men wanted to be.

I'd recommend it over Potter and Fast Five, my other two summer faves.

SUPRMAN said:

imago said:

I always thought it had to be a virus that took the human race out, because there simply were not enough apes to do the job on their own.

They didn't take over. They are a long way from that. But now they know how intelligent they are capable of being and can pass it to their offspring. Their population increases and soon enough they will naturally push out of the forest.

yes, of course.

I was speaking about the Planet of the Apes concept as a whole. I never got how a bunch of apes on the virge of extinction could take over the planet, if if they developed intelligence. It was one of the things that kind of turned me off to the original series.

Even if we had armagedon via WWIII it wouldn't make sense.

However, with the introduction of the 113 virus, I get it now. It's still unlikely, but it's definately more plausible than anything I've contemplated before.

Overall, this was the best movie I've seen all year in the theaters. Far better than that tepid Harry Potter 7.2, and by default better than Transformers. I even liked it better than that Dicaprio sci-fi flick.

SUPRMAN said:

imago said:

I always thought it had to be a virus that took the human race out, because there simply were not enough apes to do the job on their own.

They didn't take over. They are a long way from that. But now they know how intelligent they are capable of being and can pass it to their offspring. Their population increases and soon enough they will naturally push out of the forest.

Caesar scared the shit outta me when he said "NO!!!'. That simple little word never sounded so threatening . Of course we find out at the end that he can actually speak! Spooky!

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Oh god, not this shit again ::majorfacepalm::

Shaolin325 said:

SUPRMAN said:

They didn't take over. They are a long way from that. But now they know how intelligent they are capable of being and can pass it to their offspring. Their population increases and soon enough they will naturally push out of the forest.

Caesar scared the shit outta me when he said "NO!!!'. That simple little word never sounded so threatening . Of course we find out at the end that he can actually speak! Spooky!

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I'm not sure how they're going to approach this in sequels. Because Cesar says only a few words in this movie, but in the original series, the apes spoke at length.

I was always perplexed due to the face that chimps and apes are tuaught to sign because their vocal chords can't make the sounds we make--not because they're incapable of language.

So, in the original series I always assumed that many generations of evolution was responsible for their vocal abilities.

This movie, however, implies that the apes went through a quick transformation ala the 113 virus and thus became fully developed evolved humanoids in a matter of days, making the vocal abilities of Cesar seem, at least to me, like a major hole that needs to be patched in the plot.

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imago said:

Shaolin325 said:

Caesar scared the shit outta me when he said "NO!!!'. That simple little word never sounded so threatening . Of course we find out at the end that he can actually speak! Spooky!

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I'm not sure how they're going to approach this in sequels. Because Cesar says only a few words in this movie, but in the original series, the apes spoke at length.

I was always perplexed due to the face that chimps and apes are tuaught to sign because their vocal chords can't make the sounds we make--not because they're incapable of language.

So, in the original series I always assumed that many generations of evolution was responsible for their vocal abilities.

This movie, however, implies that the apes went through a quick transformation ala the 113 virus and thus became fully developed evolved humanoids in a matter of days, making the vocal abilities of Cesar seem, at least to me, like a major hole that needs to be patched in the plot.

[Edited 8/7/11 10:50am]

Caesar was born "different" so he could have had evolved vocal ability. But the 113 had to do something because he would have tried to speak earlier.

A plot hole for me was realizing this chimp you've raised can talk yet you never seek to talk with him? Caesar could use his help.

Same scene in the "prison" when Caesar didn't want to leave. When they were alone, why didn't he as Caesar to talk to him (in sign language)?

Caesar is still alive when future chimps and apes are born and can teach them.

I'm surprised Franco never taught Caesar to rid. There are seemingly hints that he can read, but that was worth exploring.

SUPRMAN said:

imago said:

I always thought it had to be a virus that took the human race out, because there simply were not enough apes to do the job on their own.

They didn't take over. They are a long way from that. But now they know how intelligent they are capable of being and can pass it to their offspring. Their population increases and soon enough they will naturally push out of the forest.

I guess you didn't watch the closing credits.

And did you notice the newspaper headline with the missing spaceship. I guess that's the one that'll land in the future.

This may be the best planet of the apes movie yet.

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alandail said:

SUPRMAN said:

They didn't take over. They are a long way from that. But now they know how intelligent they are capable of being and can pass it to their offspring. Their population increases and soon enough they will naturally push out of the forest.

I guess you didn't watch the closing credits.

And did you notice the newspaper headline with the missing spaceship. I guess that's the one that'll land in the future.

This may be the best planet of the apes movie yet.

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I did.

I didn't buy the guy being a pilot. He should have worked at the the airport.

I also saw the missing spaceship.

what spaceship??!?!?!

What the fuck are you guys talking about?!?!?!

imago said:

what spaceship??!?!?!

What the fuck are you guys talking about?!?!?!

imago said:

what spaceship??!?!?!

What the fuck are you guys talking about?!?!?!

early in the movie there was a thing about a the first manned space trip to mars launching.

later on when they were throwing the newspaoers out the window, the headline was the spaceship was missing.

Okay, I just say this movie, and I agree with Dan. It's probably THE best Apes movie so far. A great way to "reboot" the series, if you will. It really kind of helped to explain some things, like how they come to rule the world, where in the world did they learn to talk, where the hell are the humans, etc.

I do hate it in movies where the guy will meet the girl, and all of a sudden, they start dating because of some random thing. The chimp signs that they should go to dinner, and I mean, any other chick would've thought it was a typical line from the dude because he might be lying about what the chimp said. And lo and behold, she just happens to not be dating anyone, and she's free, single, and open to love/a relationship. I can suspend my belief that a chimp can be super smart and lead an army of chimps to take over the world, but I'm sorry. I just can't with her!! It NEVER happens like that in real life....to me, anyway! IRL, the girl - especially one as attractive as she was - has got plenty of men at her disposal, a boyfriend, and probably two damn kids.

Anyway, how did Ceasar know those "113" vials were in the fridge? He wasn't present when the guy came home with them and put them in his fridge. And we've never seen him go into the fridge to get something where he may have run across it. And, I just knew they'd shoehorn that "damn dirty ape" line somewhere in the movie, and we hit pay dirt, to which Ceasar scremed out, "No!!!"

So overall, not bad. Not bad at all. My favorite movie of the summer, though, is STILL X-Men: First Class.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Okay, I just say this movie, and I agree with Dan. It's probably THE best Apes movie so far. A great way to "reboot" the series, if you will. It really kind of helped to explain some things, like how they come to rule the world, where in the world did they learn to talk, where the hell are the humans, etc.

I do hate it in movies where the guy will meet the girl, and all of a sudden, they start dating because of some random thing. The chimp signs that they should go to dinner, and I mean, any other chick would've thought it was a typical line from the dude because he might be lying about what the chimp said. And lo and behold, she just happens to not be dating anyone, and she's free, single, and open to love/a relationship. I can suspend my belief that a chimp can be super smart and lead an army of chimps to take over the world, but I'm sorry. I just can't with her!! It NEVER happens like that in real life....to me, anyway! IRL, the girl - especially one as attractive as she was - has got plenty of men at her disposal, a boyfriend, and probably two damn kids.

Anyway, how did Ceasar know those "113" vials were in the fridge? He wasn't present when the guy came home with them and put them in his fridge. And we've never seen him go into the fridge to get something where he may have run across it. And, I just knew they'd shoehorn that "damn dirty ape" line somewhere in the movie, and we hit pay dirt, to which Ceasar scremed out, "No!!!"

So overall, not bad. Not bad at all. My favorite movie of the summer, though, is STILL X-Men: First Class.

Caeser had access the fridge, and the viles of 112 were being used on the father for several years (at least 3 or 4). The 113 became the latest viles to be used, but Caeser had to have seen them in there for the past several years--obviously he could read and had some sense of what they were when things started to fall in line.

I thought the romance was hokie too. It seems hollywood is scared to death of a lead actor without a leading lady.

alandail said:

imago said:

what spaceship??!?!?!

What the fuck are you guys talking about?!?!?!

early in the movie there was a thing about a the first manned space trip to mars launching.

later on when they were throwing the newspaoers out the window, the headline was the spaceship was missing.

ahhhhh. thank you

imago said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Okay, I just say this movie, and I agree with Dan. It's probably THE best Apes movie so far. A great way to "reboot" the series, if you will. It really kind of helped to explain some things, like how they come to rule the world, where in the world did they learn to talk, where the hell are the humans, etc.

I do hate it in movies where the guy will meet the girl, and all of a sudden, they start dating because of some random thing. The chimp signs that they should go to dinner, and I mean, any other chick would've thought it was a typical line from the dude because he might be lying about what the chimp said. And lo and behold, she just happens to not be dating anyone, and she's free, single, and open to love/a relationship. I can suspend my belief that a chimp can be super smart and lead an army of chimps to take over the world, but I'm sorry. I just can't with her!! It NEVER happens like that in real life....to me, anyway! IRL, the girl - especially one as attractive as she was - has got plenty of men at her disposal, a boyfriend, and probably two damn kids.

Anyway, how did Ceasar know those "113" vials were in the fridge? He wasn't present when the guy came home with them and put them in his fridge. And we've never seen him go into the fridge to get something where he may have run across it. And, I just knew they'd shoehorn that "damn dirty ape" line somewhere in the movie, and we hit pay dirt, to which Ceasar scremed out, "No!!!"

So overall, not bad. Not bad at all. My favorite movie of the summer, though, is STILL X-Men: First Class.

Caeser had access the fridge, and the viles of 112 were being used on the father for several years (at least 3 or 4). The 113 became the latest viles to be used, but Caeser had to have seen them in there for the past several years--obviously he could read and had some sense of what they were when things started to fall in line.

I thought the romance was hokie too. It seems hollywood is scared to death of a lead actor without a leading lady.

It was never obvious that Caesar read. He could have recognized the tags from their color and from overhearing the staff.

Going into the refrigerator, he's probably got a pretty good idea of what doesn't belong in the fridge.

He knew of the drugs abilities from Franco's work with his father, he knew the medicine had cognitive effects.

imago said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Okay, I just say this movie, and I agree with Dan. It's probably THE best Apes movie so far. A great way to "reboot" the series, if you will. It really kind of helped to explain some things, like how they come to rule the world, where in the world did they learn to talk, where the hell are the humans, etc.

I do hate it in movies where the guy will meet the girl, and all of a sudden, they start dating because of some random thing. The chimp signs that they should go to dinner, and I mean, any other chick would've thought it was a typical line from the dude because he might be lying about what the chimp said. And lo and behold, she just happens to not be dating anyone, and she's free, single, and open to love/a relationship. I can suspend my belief that a chimp can be super smart and lead an army of chimps to take over the world, but I'm sorry. I just can't with her!! It NEVER happens like that in real life....to me, anyway! IRL, the girl - especially one as attractive as she was - has got plenty of men at her disposal, a boyfriend, and probably two damn kids.

Anyway, how did Ceasar know those "113" vials were in the fridge? He wasn't present when the guy came home with them and put them in his fridge. And we've never seen him go into the fridge to get something where he may have run across it. And, I just knew they'd shoehorn that "damn dirty ape" line somewhere in the movie, and we hit pay dirt, to which Ceasar scremed out, "No!!!"

So overall, not bad. Not bad at all. My favorite movie of the summer, though, is STILL X-Men: First Class.

Caeser had access the fridge, and the viles of 112 were being used on the father for several years (at least 3 or 4). The 113 became the latest viles to be used, but Caeser had to have seen them in there for the past several years--obviously he could read and had some sense of what they were when things started to fall in line.

I thought the romance was hokie too. It seems hollywood is scared to death of a lead actor without a leading lady.

Yeah, I'm sure he did go into the fridge at some point on his own in those 3-4 years and saw the vials. I'm sure he was smart enough to know what they were for because he saw the doctor administering it to his father that first night from the hallway.

And, why was it so easy for him to sneak those vials out of his work anyway? No one noticed the missing vials? I don't care if it was being decommissioned or whatever, but they wouldn't just haplessly treat those vials like bottles of water to be thrown somewhere in a storeroom without an accurate count. Plus, his ass was on camera, so SOMEONE had to see him lifting the shit every week. Maybe if they did, they secretly wanted him to take it and do something with it, hoping he'd somehow "perfect" it.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

imago said:

Caeser had access the fridge, and the viles of 112 were being used on the father for several years (at least 3 or 4). The 113 became the latest viles to be used, but Caeser had to have seen them in there for the past several years--obviously he could read and had some sense of what they were when things started to fall in line.

I thought the romance was hokie too. It seems hollywood is scared to death of a lead actor without a leading lady.

Yeah, I'm sure he did go into the fridge at some point on his own in those 3-4 years and saw the vials. I'm sure he was smart enough to know what they were for because he saw the doctor administering it to his father that first night from the hallway.

And, why was it so easy for him to sneak those vials out of his work anyway? No one noticed the missing vials? I don't care if it was being decommissioned or whatever, but they wouldn't just haplessly treat those vials like bottles of water to be thrown somewhere in a storeroom without an accurate count. Plus, his ass was on camera, so SOMEONE had to see him lifting the shit every week. Maybe if they did, they secretly wanted him to take it and do something with it, hoping he'd somehow "perfect" it.

Well, I also wondered how the hell they didn't know his mum was pregnant.

I mean she was captured as a baby chimp. So he had to have been impregnated

there by a male chimp.

It just seems like opportunities to get busy in the privacy of their own space

would be....difficult.

imago said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Yeah, I'm sure he did go into the fridge at some point on his own in those 3-4 years and saw the vials. I'm sure he was smart enough to know what they were for because he saw the doctor administering it to his father that first night from the hallway.

And, why was it so easy for him to sneak those vials out of his work anyway? No one noticed the missing vials? I don't care if it was being decommissioned or whatever, but they wouldn't just haplessly treat those vials like bottles of water to be thrown somewhere in a storeroom without an accurate count. Plus, his ass was on camera, so SOMEONE had to see him lifting the shit every week. Maybe if they did, they secretly wanted him to take it and do something with it, hoping he'd somehow "perfect" it.

Well, I also wondered how the hell they didn't know his mum was pregnant.

I mean she was captured as a baby chimp. So he had to have been impregnated

there by a male chimp.

It just seems like opportunities to get busy in the privacy of their own space

would be....difficult.

I thought they said she was pregnant when they captured her. But yeah, they should've easily seen that she was pregnant. They don't just capture the apes and just start testing them with whatever it they got them for. They at least check them out for some kind of health first.

Also, if Bright Eyes was so concerned with them harming her baby and that that was why she went all ape shit , why did she go running all around the building, leaving her baby COMPLETELY vulnerable to God knows what? No logic there at all. An animal would be aggressive, yes, but she wouldn't let her baby out of her sight whatsoever.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

imago said:

Well, I also wondered how the hell they didn't know his mum was pregnant.

I mean she was captured as a baby chimp. So he had to have been impregnated

there by a male chimp.

It just seems like opportunities to get busy in the privacy of their own space

would be....difficult.

I thought they said she was pregnant when they captured her. But yeah, they should've easily seen that she was pregnant. They don't just capture the apes and just start testing them with whatever it they got them for. They at least check them out for some kind of health first.

Also, if Bright Eyes was so concerned with them harming her baby and that that was why she went all ape shit , why did she go running all around the building, leaving her baby COMPLETELY vulnerable to God knows what? No logic there at all. An animal would be aggressive, yes, but she wouldn't let her baby out of her sight whatsoever.

She tried to get back in the cage but the door was locked. They were going to sedate her, which seemed to set her off. He intent may have been to lead them away from her baby.

I saw it again, and rather enjoyed it the second time as well.

The flashes of emotion on Caesar are priceless.

imago said:

I saw it again, and rather enjoyed it the second time as well.

The flashes of emotion on Caesar are priceless.

What could possibly make the dude in the crushed and yet to totally crash helicopter, holding his scratched up bleeding hand out to be saved by of all chimps, Caesar, think any in the bunch would help him? Sad but laughable.

Fauxie said:

imago said:

I saw it again, and rather enjoyed it the second time as well.

The flashes of emotion on Caesar are priceless.

Sorry! 5 minutes to Rhamkahnhaeng as opposed to 1.5 hours to Pinloa

Billmenever said:

What could possibly make the dude in the crushed and yet to totally crash helicopter, holding his scratched up bleeding hand out to be saved by of all chimps, Caesar, think any in the bunch would help him? Sad but laughable.

I think it was a display of the arrogance of the 'oppressor'. Even after all that, he thought the chimps would obey commands.

imago said:

Fauxie said:

Sorry! 5 minutes to Rhamkahnhaeng as opposed to 1.5 hours to Pinloa

We'd have come to you, fool!

Well, maybe to meet somewhere in the middle. It's not like we're friends or anything.

imago said:

Billmenever said:

What could possibly make the dude in the crushed and yet to totally crash helicopter, holding his scratched up bleeding hand out to be saved by of all chimps, Caesar, think any in the bunch would help him? Sad but laughable.

I think it was a display of the arrogance of the 'oppressor'. Even after all that, he thought the chimps would obey commands.

Thanks. I appreciate understanding.

You're such a movie buff!