PDogz said:

Militant said:

All jokes aside, there seems to be ample support for your point of view.

Yeah. I mean I'm not holding back about how much I think the service rocks, obviously.

So I'm glad a lot of others are feeling the same.

I think the fundamental problem is that Facebook's "model" is out-dated. Horribly so. And it's the same as the Myspace model - ie, add a friend, and then you are both "equal opportunity" friends who see each other's updates.

Unfortunately in 2011 that model just isn't appropriate for the new era of the internet. Twitter's model is much better - you follow who you want and it's not reciprocal. But even then, they only still have a main stream.

Both services haphazardly tried to solve this single stream problem - Facebook with "facebook friends lists" and their "Pages" system and Twitter with Twitter lists, but you can't do it retroactively. It just doesn't work. People can't be bothered to go through their friends lists and categorize them, it's too time-consuming.

Google's model works because we DO want to categorize. The entire Google+ model is about adding people to "Circles". And you can have as many circles as you want. And it's not reciprocal.

I have the following Circles - friends, family, acquaitances, music industry, android friends, Prince friends, MJ friends. Some people obviously fall into multiple circles and it works well doing that.

Every time you post an update, you choose which circles it goes to. So for example, when I'm stanning out continuously about the fact that I'm seeing Prince this Sunday at Hop Farm, perhaps I'll post the first update to "all circles", but the subsequent ones will only go to my "Prince friends" circle - which might well include a few people from the friends circle, a few from the music industry circle, a few from the family circle.

Similarly, this model also works for location check-ins - I may not want my "family circle" to be notified if I was at a strip club (I haven't been to one in years lol but I'm making a point) but I would want my "friends circle" to know. And if I'm checking in at the house of someone in my family, then vice versa.

And it's immediately obvious on the web interface how to flip between viewing the streams of different circles.

I just think the whole system is brilliantly designed. Facebook doesn't stand a chance because like I said - nobody is going to do this retroactively. Google+ is the only service solving this problem from day one.

Militant said:

PDogz said:

All jokes aside, there seems to be ample support for your point of view.

Yeah. I mean I'm not holding back about how much I think the service rocks, obviously.

So I'm glad a lot of others are feeling the same.

I think the fundamental problem is that Facebook's "model" is out-dated. Horribly so. And it's the same as the Myspace model - ie, add a friend, and then you are both "equal opportunity" friends who see each other's updates.

Unfortunately in 2011 that model just isn't appropriate for the new era of the internet. Twitter's model is much better - you follow who you want and it's not reciprocal. But even then, they only still have a main stream.

Both services haphazardly tried to solve this single stream problem - Facebook with "facebook friends lists" and their "Pages" system and Twitter with Twitter lists, but you can't do it retroactively. It just doesn't work. People can't be bothered to go through their friends lists and categorize them, it's too time-consuming.

Google's model works because we DO want to categorize. The entire Google+ model is about adding people to "Circles". And you can have as many circles as you want. And it's not reciprocal.

I have the following Circles - friends, family, acquaitances, music industry, android friends, Prince friends, MJ friends. Some people obviously fall into multiple circles and it works well doing that.

Every time you post an update, you choose which circles it goes to. So for example, when I'm stanning out continuously about the fact that I'm seeing Prince this Sunday at Hop Farm, perhaps I'll post the first update to "all circles", but the subsequent ones will only go to my "Prince friends" circle - which might well include a few people from the friends circle, a few from the music industry circle, a few from the family circle.

Similarly, this model also works for location check-ins - I may not want my "family circle" to be notified if I was at a strip club (I haven't been to one in years lol but I'm making a point) but I would want my "friends circle" to know. And if I'm checking in at the house of someone in my family, then vice versa.

And it's immediately obvious on the web interface how to flip between viewing the streams of different circles.

I just think the whole system is brilliantly designed. Facebook doesn't stand a chance because like I said - nobody is going to do this retroactively. Google+ is the only service solving this problem from day one.

THIS IS PRECISELY THE PROBLEM I HAD WITH FACEBOOK and why I deactived my FB account today. There are certain things that I only want certain friends to know but unfortunately when you post something on your status on FB, EVERY one knows...unless you take friends off and then add them back later or something which is a pain...or what other people do which is create multiple accounts and have friends here on this account and friends there on that account which is ridiculous. If this new Google social networking service is as good as you are describing it to be, then it should blow FB out the water.

Militant said:

PDogz said:

All jokes aside, there seems to be ample support for your point of view.

Yeah. I mean I'm not holding back about how much I think the service rocks, obviously.

So I'm glad a lot of others are feeling the same.

I think the fundamental problem is that Facebook's "model" is out-dated. Horribly so. And it's the same as the Myspace model - ie, add a friend, and then you are both "equal opportunity" friends who see each other's updates.

Unfortunately in 2011 that model just isn't appropriate for the new era of the internet. Twitter's model is much better - you follow who you want and it's not reciprocal. But even then, they only still have a main stream.

Both services haphazardly tried to solve this single stream problem - Facebook with "facebook friends lists" and their "Pages" system and Twitter with Twitter lists, but you can't do it retroactively. It just doesn't work. People can't be bothered to go through their friends lists and categorize them, it's too time-consuming.

Google's model works because we DO want to categorize. The entire Google+ model is about adding people to "Circles". And you can have as many circles as you want. And it's not reciprocal.

I have the following Circles - friends, family, acquaitances, music industry, android friends, Prince friends, MJ friends. Some people obviously fall into multiple circles and it works well doing that.

Every time you post an update, you choose which circles it goes to. So for example, when I'm stanning out continuously about the fact that I'm seeing Prince this Sunday at Hop Farm, perhaps I'll post the first update to "all circles", but the subsequent ones will only go to my "Prince friends" circle - which might well include a few people from the friends circle, a few from the music industry circle, a few from the family circle.

Similarly, this model also works for location check-ins - I may not want my "family circle" to be notified if I was at a strip club (I haven't been to one in years lol but I'm making a point) but I would want my "friends circle" to know. And if I'm checking in at the house of someone in my family, then vice versa.

And it's immediately obvious on the web interface how to flip between viewing the streams of different circles.

I just think the whole system is brilliantly designed. Facebook doesn't stand a chance because like I said - nobody is going to do this retroactively. Google+ is the only service solving this problem from day one.

After reading this...maybe there IS something to this new Google thing.

Now you won't have to censor yourself like on FB because you don't want your family to see you say certain things.

I probably will at least TRY the Google thing, whenver they decide to stop being silly and open it to the general public.

Militant said:

PDogz said:

All jokes aside, there seems to be ample support for your point of view.

People can't be bothered to go through their friends lists and categorize them, it's too time-consuming.

Actually, I HAVE created categories on FB, because I saw the value in it. But I don't have THAT many friends to organize, and I understand your point that most people won't take the time to setup categories.

I look forward to taking a look at Google+ when it becomes available, and if I get involved with it, they'll owe you a commission, lol.

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[Edited 7/1/11 19:43pm]

I understand where you're coming from, Militant. I think Facebook's model is definitely outdated for 2011.

oh my god...it has begun.

missfee said: