Superb example of the racism faced by African American men today. Just FYI.

US Airways lets man fly wearing women's panties

This is a June 9, 2011 photo provided by airline passenger Jill Tarlow shows an unnamed passenger scantily dressed and taken at the airport in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. US Airways is defending its decision to allow the man wearing skimpy women's panties and high heels to fly days before a football player was arrested on a plane in California over a dispute over his saggy pants. The man flew six days before University of New Mexico football player Deshon Marman was arrested on a US Airways flight in San Francisco over allegations he refused to pull up his pants. A US Airways spokeswoman told the San Francisco Chronicle employees were right not to ask the man on the Phoenix flight to cover himself but declined to comment on Marman's arrest.

Jill Tarlow / AP Photo

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Little Boy Blue does look kinda cute in his outfit...

[Edited 6/24/11 23:19pm]

Where's the racism?

Other then the lawyer representing the college football player calling it as racism, there isn't any.

One dude was white, one dude was black. One gets away with flashing his panties, the other gets disallowed on the flight for flashing his boxers (and seemingly his behaviour afterwards).

Why is it always about colour? Maybe little boy blue in the panties simply has a better ass than the college kid, and by the sounds of it, a better attitude.

thebumpsquad said:

Where's the racism?

Other then the lawyer representing the college football player calling it as racism, there isn't any.

One dude was white, one dude was black. One gets away with flashing his panties, the other gets disallowed on the flight for flashing his boxers (and seemingly his behaviour afterwards).

Why is it always about colour? Maybe little boy blue in the panties simply has a better ass than the college kid, and by the sounds of it, a better attitude.

and maybe he was polite and not belligerent? He doesn't look like he would be disruptive, he looks quite sweet and meek

the other guy probably had his pyjama pants down so far his ass crack was showing!

thebumpsquad said:

Where's the racism?

Other then the lawyer representing the college football player calling it as racism, there isn't any.

One dude was white, one dude was black. One gets away with flashing his panties, the other gets disallowed on the flight for flashing his boxers (and seemingly his behaviour afterwards).

Why is it always about colour? Maybe little boy blue in the panties simply has a better ass than the college kid, and by the sounds of it, a better attitude.

It is not always about color but in this example, yes it is, which is why the college kid is getting ready to get paid $.

It is said that the college kid did not show any skin at all.

If the picture below represents the college kid's "look" we can suppose that the shape of his butt was the "body part" exposed.

If you look at the other guy, his frontal "body part" is also exposed.

The racism is in the disparate treatment which ocurred prior to the college kid's protestations.

ZombieKitten said:

thebumpsquad said:

Maybe little boy blue in the panties simply has a better ass than the college kid, and by the sounds of it, a better attitude.

By the looks of little boy blue's frontal--I would guess the butt is just as flat--and by virtue of the "skimpiness" of the panties, no doubt his crack was seen as well.

oh lawd

i'm sick and tired of some people screaming 'racism' on every single occasion

yes i know there have been plenty occassions where this clearly was the case and it's absolutely abhorrent but in this case it's just bs

[Edited 6/25/11 6:46am]

thebumpsquad said:

Where's the racism?

Other then the lawyer representing the college football player calling it as racism, there isn't any.

One dude was white, one dude was black. One gets away with flashing his panties, the other gets disallowed on the flight for flashing his boxers (and seemingly his behaviour afterwards).

Why is it always about colour? Maybe little boy blue in the panties simply has a better ass than the college kid, and by the sounds of it, a better attitude.

exactly

or maybe the other flight attentdant enjoys seeing men in drag

Dewrede said:

oh lawd

i'm sick and tired of some people screaming 'racism' on every single occasion

yes i know there have been plenty occassions where this clearly was the case and it's absolutely abhorrent but in this case it's just bs

[Edited 6/25/11 6:46am]

you're over simplification of the issue is to downplay. who are the some people screaming racism on every single occasion? anyway....

two men boarded an airplane similarly attired in what some would find objectionable clothing.

one black the other white. the black ends up being asked to adjust his clothing and then arrested for protesting while the white who is showing skin in protest is allowed to proceed.

sweething said:

Dewrede said:

oh lawd

i'm sick and tired of some people screaming 'racism' on every single occasion

yes i know there have been plenty occassions where this clearly was the case and it's absolutely abhorrent but in this case it's just bs

[Edited 6/25/11 6:46am]

you're over simplification of the issue is to downplay. who are the some people screaming racism on every single occasion? anyway....

two men boarded an airplane similarly attired in what some would find objectionable clothing.

one black the other white. the black ends up being asked to adjust his clothing and then arrested for protesting while the white who is showing skin in protest is allowed to proceed.

Not trying to downplay anything

The race card seems played often when it doesn't apply which is a shame for all those incidents in which it does apply

In this case on the one occasion the flight attendant(s) in question found it a case of 'objectionable clothing' , on the other they did not , simple as that i'd say

No need to bring race into it

It's like a cop might give you a warning for something and another one would fine you for the same thing

[Edited 6/25/11 7:15am]

Dewrede said:

sweething said:

you're over simplification of the issue is to downplay. who are the some people screaming racism on every single occasion? anyway....

two men boarded an airplane similarly attired in what some would find objectionable clothing.

one black the other white. the black ends up being asked to adjust his clothing and then arrested for protesting while the white who is showing skin in protest is allowed to proceed.

Not trying to downplay anything

The race card seems played often when it doesn't apply which is a shame for all those incidents in which it does apply

In this case on the one occasion the flight attendant(s) in question found it a case of 'objectionable clothing' , on the other they did not , simple as that i'd say

No need to bring race into it

It's like a cop might give you a warning for something and another one would fine you for the same thing

[Edited 6/25/11 7:15am]

There were complaints made against both passengers by other passengers as well.

The issue the airlines made was one was showing body parts and the other was deemed not to. Judging from the photo above, body parts were seen on the guy with the panties but he was allowed to continue.

and someone says "racism is just some more bs"

ok let's have a look, shall we?

if that kid is LUCKY he'll come out of this

WITHOUT a CRIMMINAL RECORD, which btw

can damage his future in the world.

yet

if the airline were to try that shit with the older WHITE

cross dresser, he would sue them for all they got

and win on so many levels. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

lemme see

dread wearin black college kid showin boxers (CRIME)

crossdressin old white guy in women's panties

(FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION)

need we say more???

Do we know the ethnicity of the pilot who asked for him to be ejected?

The issue isn't about race to any any sane person other than those looking for a hidden agenda, however, if the pilot was coloured, then is a black pilot asking for a black passenger to be ejected still racist?

This is a BLATANT example of the deep racism that runs through America's veins.

White people are allowed to be eccentric and have reasons for their craziness.

A young Black man with sagging pants? Only means one thing! Get that thug off our plane!

FUCK THAT SHIT.

thebumpsquad said:

Do we know the ethnicity of the pilot who asked for him to be ejected?

The issue isn't about race to any any sane person other than those looking for a hidden agenda, however, if the pilot was coloured, then is a black pilot asking for a black passenger to be ejected still racist?

The skin color of the pilot means nothing.

This is not an issue of specifics.

This is an issue of the obvious ways in which black people and white people are still treated, viewed and dealt with in this country.

They were both let on to the plane, what happened after that?

PunkMistress said:

This is a BLATANT example of the deep racism that runs through America's veins.

White people are allowed to be eccentric and have reasons for their craziness.

A young Black man with sagging pants? Only means one thing! Get that thug off our plane!

FUCK THAT SHIT.

I'm really crap with understanding sarcasm, so I'm just gonna say FUCK YEAH!

thebumpsquad said:

Do we know the ethnicity of the pilot who asked for him to be ejected?

The issue isn't about race to any any sane person other than those looking for a hidden agenda, however, if the pilot was coloured, then is a black pilot asking for a black passenger to be ejected still racist?

You keep making up suppositions that have absolutely nothing to do with the facts of the story. You have not standing here. Goodbye!

NDRU said:

They were both let on to the plane, what happened after that?

Nope, they tried to stop the young guy from getting on the plane (he continued on) and then they escorted him off and arrested him.

He was apparently carrying luggage and offered to pull his pants up once he had boarded the plane.

Plain and simple, this is just racism at its height. Sorry, but people need to get real and understand this happens to people of color.

Now, what will you do to ensure that it doesn't happen again and again?

sweething said:

thebumpsquad said:

Do we know the ethnicity of the pilot who asked for him to be ejected?

The issue isn't about race to any any sane person other than those looking for a hidden agenda, however, if the pilot was coloured, then is a black pilot asking for a black passenger to be ejected still racist?

You keep making up suppositions that have absolutely nothing to do with the facts of the story. You have not standing here. Goodbye!

Ew.

It's really distasteful to me when a user starts a thread, then tells another user something like what you just said above ("You have no standing here. Goodbye!")

You created a thread topic that is bound to bring in dissenting views. I happen to agree with where you're coming from, but if you're not okay with posts which don't mirror your outlook, experience adn opinion, you probably shouldn't start the thread. Debate each point that you disagree with, or is irrelevant or annoying! Or ignore them if they're truly worthless trolling. But telling someone they have no right to participate is gross.

PunkMistress said:

sweething said:

You keep making up suppositions that have absolutely nothing to do with the facts of the story. You have not standing here. Goodbye!

Ew.

It's really distasteful to me when a user starts a thread, then tells another user something like what you just said above ("You have no standing here. Goodbye!")

You created a thread topic that is bound to bring in dissenting views. I happen to agree with where you're coming from, but if you're not okay with posts which don't mirror your outlook, experience adn opinion, you probably shouldn't start the thread. Debate each point that you disagree with, or is irrelevant or annoying! Or ignore them if they're truly worthless trolling. But telling someone they have no right to participate is gross.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Clearly I'm o.k. with posts as I've responded to each one here to entertain and debate the circumstance. The poster you're referring to did not appear to read the article and in a few posts simply began making things up that were completely baseless; not that I owe you an explanation or that it would do any good anyway, but that is why I responded the way I did--the poster's comments were baseless.

sweething said:

NDRU said:

They were both let on to the plane, what happened after that?

Nope, they tried to stop the young guy from getting on the plane (he continued on) and then they escorted him off and arrested him.

He was apparently carrying luggage and offered to pull his pants up once he had boarded the plane.

Plain and simple, this is just racism at its height. Sorry, but people need to get real and understand this happens to people of color.

Now, what will you do to ensure that it doesn't happen again and again?

so if someone is doing something they are asked NOT to do, security shouldn't be called? I'm not ruling out racism one iota, but I guess people think if you don't heed authority (ie. the staff at the gate asked him to pull his pants up, when he didn't, they asked him not to board, and he still attempted to board) you're probably likely to make more trouble ON the plane?

I'm not really having an opinion one way or the other since I'm so SLOW at deciding on something, (god help them in November when I sit on a jury ). I also don't live in the states, so I'm not as aware of how shit goes down there on a daily basis - and I KNOW it does

Not stirring, just asking.

PunkMistress said:

This is a BLATANT example of the deep racism that runs through America's veins.

White people are allowed to be eccentric and have reasons for their craziness.

A young Black man with sagging pants? Only means one thing! Get that thug off our plane!

FUCK THAT SHIT.

Thank U!!!! Can U imagine them letting a black man dressed in just crazy ass underwear and leggings board the plane????? They would have found some reason to arrest his ass!!!!

ZombieKitten said:

sweething said:

Nope, they tried to stop the young guy from getting on the plane (he continued on) and then they escorted him off and arrested him.

He was apparently carrying luggage and offered to pull his pants up once he had boarded the plane.

Plain and simple, this is just racism at its height. Sorry, but people need to get real and understand this happens to people of color.

Now, what will you do to ensure that it doesn't happen again and again?

so if someone is doing something they are asked NOT to do, security shouldn't be called? I'm not ruling out racism one iota, but I guess people think if you don't heed authority (ie. the staff at the gate asked him to pull his pants up, when he didn't, they asked him not to board, and he still attempted to board) you're probably likely to make more trouble ON the plane?

I'm not really having an opinion one way or the other since I'm so SLOW at deciding on something, (god help them in November when I sit on a jury ). I also don't live in the states, so I'm not as aware of how shit goes down there on a daily basis - and I KNOW it does

Not stirring, just asking.

I think the relevant point of the thread, though, is not whether each specific incident in and of itself represents an incidence of "racist behavior" on the part of airline staff. I believe the idea is to point to a larger pattern of ways in which things are handled based on the person's skin color. As people here who have experienced it can attest, it is no surprise that a young black man was asked to leave a plane (or modify his attire) and subsequently arrested because of his undergarments showing and an older white man was allowed to fly wearing extremely revealing undergarments of the kind normally worn by women.

The reason the specifics aren't necessarily relevant (in other words, I don't care if the kid acted like a jackass and deserved to get kicked off the plane and thrown in jail) is that we are talking about a real cultural phenomenon that is killing and imprisoning a scarily large percentage of one group of young males in the US.

What sweething and others are trying to call attention to is that young black men do not get the benefit of the doubt. This leads to a disproportionate number of them being arrested and locked up, not because more of them are committing crimes but because they are always suspected of committing crimes no matter what. Black neighborhoods are patrolled by SWAT-like teams of law enforcement in some areas, while nearby White neighborhoods are left in peace unless they call police for help. Now, of the crime (including "victimless" crime such as minor drug use/possession) that's going on in the Black neighborhood, and the crimes that are happening in the White neighborhoods (think of all your white friends and the great drugs they get!), who is more likely to get caught?

When caught, who is more likely to be listened to, to receive the assumption "this is a good kid from a good family"? Do you think a black kid with sagging pants EVER gets that benefit of the doubt from police, even if he's the straight-A-student son of a doctor and a lawyer?

This is not about specifics and isolated incidents.

It's about the systematic brutality and oppression that America kicks under the rug while accusing other countries of human rights atrocities all over the world.

[Edited 6/26/11 16:52pm]

PunkMistress said:

ZombieKitten said:

so if someone is doing something they are asked NOT to do, security shouldn't be called? I'm not ruling out racism one iota, but I guess people think if you don't heed authority (ie. the staff at the gate asked him to pull his pants up, when he didn't, they asked him not to board, and he still attempted to board) you're probably likely to make more trouble ON the plane?

I'm not really having an opinion one way or the other since I'm so SLOW at deciding on something, (god help them in November when I sit on a jury ). I also don't live in the states, so I'm not as aware of how shit goes down there on a daily basis - and I KNOW it does

Not stirring, just asking.

I think the relevant point of the thread, though, is not whether each specific incident in and of itself represents an incidence of "racist behavior" on the part of airline staff. I believe the idea is to point to a larger pattern of ways in which things are handled based on the person's skin color. As people here who have experienced it can attest, it is no surprise that a young black man was asked to leave a plane (or modify his attire) and subsequently arrested because of his undergarments showing and an older white man was allowed to fly wearing extremely revealing undergarments of the kind normally worn by women.

The reason the specifics aren't necessarily relevant (in other words, I don't care if the kid acted like a jackass and deserved to get kicked off the plane and thrown in jail) is that we are talking about a real cultural phenomenon that is killing and imprisoning a scarily large percentage of one group of young males in the US.

What sweething and others are trying to call attention to is that young black men do not get the benefit of the doubt. This leads to a disproportionate number of them being arrested and locked up, not because more of them are committing crimes but because they are always suspected of committing crimes no matter what. Black neighborhoods are patrolled by SWAT-like teams of law enforcement in some areas, while nearby White neighborhoods are left in peace unless they call police for help. Now, of the crime (including "victimless" crime such as minor drug use/possession) that's going on in the Black neighborhood, and the crimes that are happening in the White neighborhoods (think of all your white friends and the great drugs they get!), who is more likely to get caught?

When caught, who is more likely to be listened to, to receive the assumption "this is a good kid from a good family"? Do you think a black kid with sagging pants EVER gets that benefit of the doubt from police, even if he's the straight-A-student son of a doctor and a lawyer?

This is not about specifics and isolated incidents.

It's about the systematic brutality and oppression that America kicks under the rug while accusing other countries of human rights atrocities all over the world.

[Edited 6/26/11 16:52pm]

Thank you! for explaining this to me so well

I'm the biggest skeptic in the world and I live in a place very different to you

ZombieKitten said:

PunkMistress said:

I think the relevant point of the thread, though, is not whether each specific incident in and of itself represents an incidence of "racist behavior" on the part of airline staff. I believe the idea is to point to a larger pattern of ways in which things are handled based on the person's skin color. As people here who have experienced it can attest, it is no surprise that a young black man was asked to leave a plane (or modify his attire) and subsequently arrested because of his undergarments showing and an older white man was allowed to fly wearing extremely revealing undergarments of the kind normally worn by women.

The reason the specifics aren't necessarily relevant (in other words, I don't care if the kid acted like a jackass and deserved to get kicked off the plane and thrown in jail) is that we are talking about a real cultural phenomenon that is killing and imprisoning a scarily large percentage of one group of young males in the US.

What sweething and others are trying to call attention to is that young black men do not get the benefit of the doubt. This leads to a disproportionate number of them being arrested and locked up, not because more of them are committing crimes but because they are always suspected of committing crimes no matter what. Black neighborhoods are patrolled by SWAT-like teams of law enforcement in some areas, while nearby White neighborhoods are left in peace unless they call police for help. Now, of the crime (including "victimless" crime such as minor drug use/possession) that's going on in the Black neighborhood, and the crimes that are happening in the White neighborhoods (think of all your white friends and the great drugs they get!), who is more likely to get caught?

When caught, who is more likely to be listened to, to receive the assumption "this is a good kid from a good family"? Do you think a black kid with sagging pants EVER gets that benefit of the doubt from police, even if he's the straight-A-student son of a doctor and a lawyer?

This is not about specifics and isolated incidents.

It's about the systematic brutality and oppression that America kicks under the rug while accusing other countries of human rights atrocities all over the world.

[Edited 6/26/11 16:52pm]

Thank you! for explaining this to me so well

I'm the biggest skeptic in the world and I live in a place very different to you

Thank you for reading it and having an open mind.

PunkMistress said:

I think the relevant point of the thread, though, is not whether each specific incident in and of itself represents an incidence of "racist behavior" on the part of airline staff. I believe the idea is to point to a larger pattern of ways in which things are handled based on the person's skin color. As people here who have experienced it can attest, it is no surprise that a young black man was asked to leave a plane (or modify his attire) and subsequently arrested because of his undergarments showing and an older white man was allowed to fly wearing extremely revealing undergarments of the kind normally worn by women.

The reason the specifics aren't necessarily relevant (in other words, I don't care if the kid acted like a jackass and deserved to get kicked off the plane and thrown in jail) is that we are talking about a real cultural phenomenon that is killing and imprisoning a scarily large percentage of one group of young males in the US.

What sweething and others are trying to call attention to is that young black men do not get the benefit of the doubt. This leads to a disproportionate number of them being arrested and locked up, not because more of them are committing crimes but because they are always suspected of committing crimes no matter what. Black neighborhoods are patrolled by SWAT-like teams of law enforcement in some areas, while nearby White neighborhoods are left in peace unless they call police for help. Now, of the crime (including "victimless" crime such as minor drug use/possession) that's going on in the Black neighborhood, and the crimes that are happening in the White neighborhoods (think of all your white friends and the great drugs they get!), who is more likely to get caught?

When caught, who is more likely to be listened to, to receive the assumption "this is a good kid from a good family"? Do you think a black kid with sagging pants EVER gets that benefit of the doubt from police, even if he's the straight-A-student son of a doctor and a lawyer?

This is not about specifics and isolated incidents.

It's about the systematic brutality and oppression that America kicks under the rug while accusing other countries of human rights atrocities all over the world.

[Edited 6/26/11 16:52pm]

Your write up is excellent and states the issues accurately! Good job.

PunkMistress said:

ZombieKitten said:

Thank you! for explaining this to me so well

I'm the biggest skeptic in the world and I live in a place very different to you

Thank you for reading it and having an open mind.

You've broadened my perspective on what I previously (and ignorantly) was considering as a comparison between TWO incidents, not taking into account the complete picture.

sweething said:

thebumpsquad said:

Where's the racism?

Other then the lawyer representing the college football player calling it as racism, there isn't any.

One dude was white, one dude was black. One gets away with flashing his panties, the other gets disallowed on the flight for flashing his boxers (and seemingly his behaviour afterwards).

Why is it always about colour? Maybe little boy blue in the panties simply has a better ass than the college kid, and by the sounds of it, a better attitude.

It is not always about color but in this example, yes it is, which is why the college kid is getting ready to get paid $.

It is said that the college kid did not show any skin at all.

If the picture below represents the college kid's "look" we can suppose that the shape of his butt was the "body part" exposed.

If you look at the other guy, his frontal "body part" is also exposed.

The racism is in the disparate treatment which ocurred prior to the college kid's protestations.

And the assumptions made against those that wear baggy pants. I'm willing to bet they probably figured they'd get more flack and negative press if they refused the guy in women's panties but that nobody would blame them for refusing the black guy in the baggy pants aka thug.

HotGritz said:

sweething said:

It is not always about color but in this example, yes it is, which is why the college kid is getting ready to get paid $.

It is said that the college kid did not show any skin at all.

If the picture below represents the college kid's "look" we can suppose that the shape of his butt was the "body part" exposed.

If you look at the other guy, his frontal "body part" is also exposed.

The racism is in the disparate treatment which ocurred prior to the college kid's protestations.

And the assumptions made against those that wear baggy pants. I'm willing to bet they probably figured they'd get more flack and negative press if they refused the guy in women's panties but that nobody would blame them for refusing the black guy in the baggy pants aka thug.

Right. It's the automatic assumptions (THUG, CRIMINAL) which are assigned to boys with sagging pants.