SonOfSoul said:

Spinlight said:

I didn't know what race she was and when I heard her last name I assumed hispanic.

Plus, I know the particular area and would not have assumed Arab, but not white either.

But she looks caucasian, that's my point.

If that's how you see it. To me, the race wasn't really important and I don't actually think that is the important factor in this. It seems to be pretty important to black people that those girls are both POC, though. LOL.

Spinlight said:

paintedlady said:

Great post... I hope those two girls were arrested... the 18 yr. old is so screwed. This may follow her forever.

They were both arrested and the 14 y/o is being charged as an adult.

No, she's being charged as a juvenile.

Spinlight said:

SonOfSoul said:

But she looks caucasian, that's my point.

If that's how you see it. To me, the race wasn't really important and I don't actually think that is the important factor in this. It seems to be pretty important to black people that those girls are both POC, though. LOL.

Again, for the 3rd time, my point was to show how the media portrays attacks by minorities on whites. The media coverage on this is treating it the same way.

SonOfSoul said:

Spinlight said:

If that's how you see it. To me, the race wasn't really important and I don't actually think that is the important factor in this. It seems to be pretty important to black people that those girls are both POC, though. LOL.

Again, for the 3rd time, my point was to show how the media portrays attacks by minorities on whites. The media coverage on this is treating it the same way.

LOL, of course you would think that way. Rather than the fact its considered a hate crime and hate crimes tend to get coverage (especially when the victim speaks out, otherwise it gets scuttled like the rest), its gotta be tied up into racial politics too. Oh boy.

Spinlight said:

SonOfSoul said:

Again, for the 3rd time, my point was to show how the media portrays attacks by minorities on whites. The media coverage on this is treating it the same way.

LOL, of course you would think that way. Rather than the fact its considered a hate crime and hate crimes tend to get coverage (especially when the victim speaks out, otherwise it gets scuttled like the rest), its gotta be tied up into racial politics too. Oh boy.

Exactly. A hate crime that involves a minority attacking a causasian. That's my point. The same point I've been making. The same point I'm going to continue to make, regardless of what some may believe.

Spinlight said:

SonOfSoul said:

But she looks caucasian, that's my point.

If that's how you see it. To me, the race wasn't really important and I don't actually think that is the important factor in this. It seems to be pretty important to black people that those girls are both POC, though. LOL.

Folks like me still have to fight stereo-types like those displayed on that video....

we all still have to fight some sort of stereo type bs...

wow.....it is kinda hard to believe people are defending the attackers as if they are victims

(this is one reason I miss Housequake - you could have more intelligent discussions over there)

But I guess you could say they are victims in some ways.........victims of poverty and ignorance

whatever the reason they beat this girl down, it was not right and they will get their sentence just like a white person or arab person would

here is the latest news about a rally planned for transgender rights outside the McDonald's

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...ed_beating

ROSEDALE, Md. – Advocates for transgender rights are planning a rally outside a McDonald's in Maryland where an attack against a transgender woman that was caught on video took place.

The rally condemning the attack is set for 7 p.m. Monday outside the restaurant in Baltimore County.

The video posted online shows a woman being beaten and then apparently having a seizure. Baltimore County police say a 14-year-old girl has been charged as a juvenile and an 18-year-old woman, Teonna Monae Brown, faces assault charges in the case.

The victim, 22-year-old Chrissy Lee Polis, says she's the victim of a hate crime. Polis says before she was attacked, one teen said Polis was a man using the women's restroom and accused Polis of talking to her man.

LayDownMisty said:

wow.....it is kinda hard to believe people are defending the attackers as if they are victims

(this is one reason I miss Housequake - you could have more intelligent discussions over there)

But I guess you could say they are victims in some ways.........victims of poverty and ignorance

whatever the reason they beat this girl down, it was not right and they will get their sentence just like a white person or arab person would

here is the latest news about a rally planned for transgender rights outside the McDonald's

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...ed_beating

ROSEDALE, Md. – Advocates for transgender rights are planning a rally outside a McDonald's in Maryland where an attack against a transgender woman that was caught on video took place.

The rally condemning the attack is set for 7 p.m. Monday outside the restaurant in Baltimore County.

The video posted online shows a woman being beaten and then apparently having a seizure. Baltimore County police say a 14-year-old girl has been charged as a juvenile and an 18-year-old woman, Teonna Monae Brown, faces assault charges in the case.

The victim, 22-year-old Chrissy Lee Polis, says she's the victim of a hate crime. Polis says before she was attacked, one teen said Polis was a man using the women's restroom and accused Polis of talking to her man.

I like how there are people out there that automatically think since the attackers are black that they come from poverty, without knowing absolutely anything about them. I've come to find out that there's a lot of inherent racist beliefs when it comes to minorities.

And who here has defended these attackers? I have to read one post that says "I'm defending these attackers". I think people tend to allow their emotions to get the better of them when it comes to certain issues and they forget to fully read or comprehend what's actually being said.

SonOfSoul said:

johnart said:

Overreact? There's not enough reaction in the world for this kind of violence. Regardless of who inflicts it on whom.

As I stated much earlier on in this thread, short of someone killing your mama, there is really no scenario where this kind of brutality is called for. Even if the victim had in fact been an instigator. Even if the victim had threatened.

When someone is on the ground and helpless and not just one but two people are kicking them to the head repeatedly (taking a break and coming back to do more damage), well thats just a pack of animals in action.

Please tell me what could have possibly gone down in the bathroom that would have warranted this scenario?

So what if Polis had pulled a weapon on the girls in the bathroom? A knife? A gun? My point is, you nor I have no idea what happened in the bathroom. Maybe the attack was totally unprovoked? The thing is, we weren't there to see what could've set off that type of a beating. And I'm not condoning the beating, I'm just saying don't act like you have all the facts in this case, when you obviously don't.

So what if Polis had pulled a weapon?

I never said I had all the facts of what transpired in the bathroom. I've been saying that it doesn't matter. I have the facts from what we've all seen. And what we've all seen is one person, on the ground, not fighting back, repeatedly kicked to the head, a break, and then again by two people, while someone videotaped the whole thing, then the two warned to flee before the police arrives. Let's not even go into the whole thing being put on facebook by that fuckin moron as if it were an amusing freak show.

I'm not saying that you are condoning the beating, but suggesting a beating of this magnitude could've been provoked in any way or using words like "overreact" are way off base in this instance.

If this chick had just caught a beat-down (a few slaps and blows thrown) from mouthing off to someone or trying to go for her man or some dumb shit like that where both parties walked away or were separated by the crowd, I'd say that while folk should never resort to violence, we also gotta be aware of situations we might foolishly step into, but this is on a whole different realm.

[Edited 4/25/11 9:48am]

johnart said:

SonOfSoul said:

So what if Polis had pulled a weapon on the girls in the bathroom? A knife? A gun? My point is, you nor I have no idea what happened in the bathroom. Maybe the attack was totally unprovoked? The thing is, we weren't there to see what could've set off that type of a beating. And I'm not condoning the beating, I'm just saying don't act like you have all the facts in this case, when you obviously don't.

So what if Polis had pulled a weapon?

I never said I had all the facts of what transpired in the bathroom. I've been saying that it doesn't matter. I have the facts from what we've all seen. And what we've all seen is one person, on the ground, not fighting back, repeatedly kicked to the head, a break, and then again by two people, while someone videotaped the whole thing, then the two warned to flee before the police arrives. Let's not even go into the whole thing being put on facebook by that fuckin moron as if it were an amusing freak show.

I'm not saying that you are condoning the beating, but suggesting a beating of this magnitude could've been provoked in any way or using words like "overreact" are way off base in this instance.

If this chick had just caught a beat-down (a few slaps and blows thrown) from mouthing off to someone or trying to go for her man or some dumb shit like that where both parties walked away or were separated by the crowd, I'd say that while folk should never resort to violence, we also gotta be aware of situations we might foolishly step into, but this is on a whole different realm.

[Edited 4/25/11 9:48am]

If she pulled a weapon, that could be the reason for why an attack even took place. You never know what could've caused people to snap to that extent, that's my point. That's why when people wanna excessively honk or flip the bird to people while driving, I always caution that they never know who they're fucking with or if that person had a bad day. And that goes for the 2 girls that beat Polis; they're lucky Polis didn't pull out a weapon and use it on them during the attack.

SonOfSoul said:

johnart said:

So what if Polis had pulled a weapon?

I never said I had all the facts of what transpired in the bathroom. I've been saying that it doesn't matter. I have the facts from what we've all seen. And what we've all seen is one person, on the ground, not fighting back, repeatedly kicked to the head, a break, and then again by two people, while someone videotaped the whole thing, then the two warned to flee before the police arrives. Let's not even go into the whole thing being put on facebook by that fuckin moron as if it were an amusing freak show.

I'm not saying that you are condoning the beating, but suggesting a beating of this magnitude could've been provoked in any way or using words like "overreact" are way off base in this instance.

If this chick had just caught a beat-down (a few slaps and blows thrown) from mouthing off to someone or trying to go for her man or some dumb shit like that where both parties walked away or were separated by the crowd, I'd say that while folk should never resort to violence, we also gotta be aware of situations we might foolishly step into, but this is on a whole different realm.

[Edited 4/25/11 9:48am]

If she pulled a weapon, that could be the reason for why an attack even took place. You never know what could've caused people to snap to that extent, that's my point. That's why when people wanna excessively honk or flip the bird to people while driving, I always caution that they never know who they're fucking with or if that person had a bad day. And that goes for the 2 girls that beat Polis; they're lucky Polis didn't pull out a weapon and use it on them during the attack.

I agree with the flipping/honking thing, but I will add to that that anyone who would snap to this point (as the 2 girls) is not just having a bad day. They are either a sociopath or just plain evil and gross on the inside.

This is probably the closest we'll come to seeing eye-to-eye on this particular subject so it's probably a good post to end our discussion of it on.

johnart said:

SonOfSoul said:

If she pulled a weapon, that could be the reason for why an attack even took place. You never know what could've caused people to snap to that extent, that's my point. That's why when people wanna excessively honk or flip the bird to people while driving, I always caution that they never know who they're fucking with or if that person had a bad day. And that goes for the 2 girls that beat Polis; they're lucky Polis didn't pull out a weapon and use it on them during the attack.

I agree with the flipping/honking thing, but I will add to that that anyone who would snap to this point (as the 2 girls) is not just having a bad day. They are either a sociopath or just plain evil and gross on the inside.

This is probably the closest we'll come to seeing eye-to-eye on this particular subject so it's probably a good post to end our discussion of it on.

I've seen "normal" people snap and overreact to certain situations, so I'm not so quick to dismiss them as sociopaths or evil. And cool, we'll end it here.

SonOfSoul said:

johnart said:

I agree with the flipping/honking thing, but I will add to that that anyone who would snap to this point (as the 2 girls) is not just having a bad day. They are either a sociopath or just plain evil and gross on the inside.

This is probably the closest we'll come to seeing eye-to-eye on this particular subject so it's probably a good post to end our discussion of it on.

I've seen "normal" people snap and overreact to certain situations, so I'm not so quick to dismiss them as sociopaths or evil. And cool, we'll end it here.

If you have seen "normal" people overreact like the women in the video then they are indeed sociopaths or evil.

I don't think a lot of you are willing to admit that girls attacking other girls (and I do believe that they originally believed she was female) is pretty common place in our culture of violence.

Same shit, different day...except this was caught on video and the "woman" is actually a transgendered woman.

I mean, how many times do I read shit posted on here like, "any woman who does xxx or xxx with my man will get an automatic beat down".

It's a culture of celebrating how hardcore and tough we are and frankly it's beyond pathetic.

GetAwayFromMe said:

StillGotIt said:

i have yet to watch the video but I will say this...I have been in a bathroom when a very badly put together tranny walked in. I was very afraid...who the fuck wants to be in a bathroom with a large strange man.

He was standing between me and the door when I exited my own bathroom stall , and my young daughter was in another stall. What kind of shit is that? I felt VERY unsafe...and it pissed me off that he brought his manly ass into a womans room. My hand went into my purse and I had something to spray in his eyes if it went there. That shit should be illegal. just because somebody feels like a woman in their head and and puts on a dress, they are not women. I'm sorry if some men have those issues, but I shouldn't have to fear for my wellbeing or my child's like that. After I got my child out of there, i called security. Fuck that....men do not belong in women's bathrooms...thats creepy as hell.

Seriously...had that "man" said something gruff to me for eyeballing him after I came out of the stall, I would have sprayed his eyes and did whatever was necessary until I got my daughter out of there. Fuck that. I dont care if its not popular......putting on a skirt does not make one a woman, and it is very scary to see a man (who does not belong) in a ladies room.

so...now I guess I'll watch the video and see why people are defending this intruder.....

Wow! Didn't you say that you work in the area of civil rights law?

[snip - keep personal info to orgnotes - CarrieMpls]

Every person on this thread has his/her prejudices. If you claim you do not have any, you are lying to yourself.

I am especially referring to those who find it appropriate to refer to the young girls/teens as "savages". It is mindboggling to me that it bothers some when I refer to a person born with a penis as a man, yet you use a historic notoriously racist term against black children who made a dumb decision. Calling young black girls savages? Are you serious....puh leez I dont hear that term come in reference to any other race here on the org.

But wait...I've probably said too much, I may have just invited a lynch mob to come after me for having an opinion.....

StillGotIt said:

Every person on this thread has his/her prejudices. If you claim you do not have any, you are lying to yourself.

I am especially referring to those who find it appropriate to refer to the young girls/teens as "savages". It is mindboggling to me that it bothers some when I refer to a person born with a penis as a man, yet you use a historic notoriously racist term against black children who made a dumb decision. Calling young black girls savages? Are you serious....puh leez I dont hear that term come in reference to any other race here on the org.

But wait...I've probably said too much, I may have just invited a lynch mob to come after me for having an opinion.....

Total bullshit. Tons of labels like that (and that term) are used on here time and time again...no matter the race.

JustErin said:

StillGotIt said:

Every person on this thread has his/her prejudices. If you claim you do not have any, you are lying to yourself.

I am especially referring to those who find it appropriate to refer to the young girls/teens as "savages". It is mindboggling to me that it bothers some when I refer to a person born with a penis as a man, yet you use a historic notoriously racist term against black children who made a dumb decision. Calling young black girls savages? Are you serious....puh leez I dont hear that term come in reference to any other race here on the org.

But wait...I've probably said too much, I may have just invited a lynch mob to come after me for having an opinion.....

Total bullshit. Tons of labels like that (and that term) are used on here time and time again...no matter the race.

You would try to justify this covert racism. "Beasts" and "savages".....these are the terms on this thread used to describe black children. Next thing you know, somebody will say they should be offered for sale....

StillGotIt said:

JustErin said:

Total bullshit. Tons of labels like that (and that term) are used on here time and time again...no matter the race.

You would try to justify this covert racism. "Beasts" and "savages".....these are the terms on this thread used to describe black children. Next thing you know, somebody will say they should be offered for sale....

Shut up, troll.

Those fucking cowardly cunts. I hope the police find them and put their fucking asses in jail. Attacking in packs, like total cowards. I hope the woman recovers.

Speaking as a black woman...I indeed called those girls savages because that is what they acted like....and they would have got the same label from me if they were white, blue, green or red.

StillGotIt said:

JustErin said:

Total bullshit. Tons of labels like that (and that term) are used on here time and time again...no matter the race.

You would try to justify this covert racism. "Beasts" and "savages".....these are the terms on this thread used to describe black children. Next thing you know, somebody will say they should be offered for sale....

I'm not trying to justify anything. I'm simply stating a fact.

But YOU, of course, would attempt to make some kind of accusation.

Quite frankly I am shocked that people would be so wrapped up in identity to the point of defending these sick bitches.

StillGotIt said:

StillGotIt said:

Every person on this thread has his/her prejudices. If you claim you do not have any, you are lying to yourself.

I am especially referring to those who find it appropriate to refer to the young girls/teens as "savages". It is mindboggling to me that it bothers some when I refer to a person born with a penis as a man, yet you use a historic notoriously racist term against black children who made a dumb decision. Calling young black girls savages? Are you serious....puh leez I dont hear that term come in reference to any other race here on the org.

But wait...I've probably said too much, I may have just invited a lynch mob to come after me for having an opinion.....

I used the word savages, beasts and animals (which in all fairness is not at all fair to members of the animal kingdom) to describe these "children" who tried to kick in the head of another human being.

sav·age

   /ˈsævɪdʒ/ Show Spelled [sav-ij] Show IPA adjective, noun, verb, -aged, -ag·ing.

[Edited 4/25/11 18:46pm]

johnart said:

StillGotIt said:

Every person on this thread has his/her prejudices. If you claim you do not have any, you are lying to yourself.

I am especially referring to those who find it appropriate to refer to the young girls/teens as "savages". It is mindboggling to me that it bothers some when I refer to a person born with a penis as a man, yet you use a historic notoriously racist term against black children who made a dumb decision. Calling young black girls savages? Are you serious....puh leez I dont hear that term come in reference to any other race here on the org.

But wait...I've probably said too much, I may have just invited a lynch mob to come after me for having an opinion.....

I used the word savages, beasts and animals (which in all fairness is not at all fair to members of the animal kingdom) to describe these "children" who tried to kick in the head of another human being.

sav·age

   /ˈsævɪdʒ/ Show Spelled [sav-ij] Show IPA adjective, noun, verb, -aged, -ag·ing.

–adjective

1.

fierce, ferocious, or cruel; untamed: savage beasts.

2.

uncivilized; barbarous: savage tribes.

3.

enraged or furiously angry, as a person.

4.

unpolished; rude: savage manners.

5.

wild or rugged, as country or scenery: savage wilderness.

6.

Archaic . uncultivated; growing wild.

The above fits anyone, of any color, race, gender, cultural background that behaves in such evil manner.

-the trash that dragged that poor gentleman from the back of a pickup truck...savages

-the dudes that killed Mathew Sheppard...savages

-the KKK...savages

-the Germans that killed Jews in the Holocaust...savages

-Priests who have raped/molested young boys...savages

...and so on.

First of all, it would be clear to anyone with half a brain (and who is not looking to stir up unwarranted bullshit) that I am referring to these lovely young ladies in such manner due to their unforgivable behavior. Secondly...You can try and pin some lame-ass late-in-the-game racism fabrication on me but it ain't gonna stick. Unlike you, I'm not some faceless, nameless person hiding behind an org avi. Enough people on this site know me on a "real life" basis to know different. Sell that bullshit somewhere else.

[Edited 4/25/11 18:46pm]

It's about the behavior not color. Savages come in many colors.

SonOfSoul said:

LayDownMisty said:

wow.....it is kinda hard to believe people are defending the attackers as if they are victims

(this is one reason I miss Housequake - you could have more intelligent discussions over there)

But I guess you could say they are victims in some ways.........victims of poverty and ignorance

whatever the reason they beat this girl down, it was not right and they will get their sentence just like a white person or arab person would

here is the latest news about a rally planned for transgender rights outside the McDonald's

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...ed_beating

ROSEDALE, Md. – Advocates for transgender rights are planning a rally outside a McDonald's in Maryland where an attack against a transgender woman that was caught on video took place.

The rally condemning the attack is set for 7 p.m. Monday outside the restaurant in Baltimore County.

The video posted online shows a woman being beaten and then apparently having a seizure. Baltimore County police say a 14-year-old girl has been charged as a juvenile and an 18-year-old woman, Teonna Monae Brown, faces assault charges in the case.

The victim, 22-year-old Chrissy Lee Polis, says she's the victim of a hate crime. Polis says before she was attacked, one teen said Polis was a man using the women's restroom and accused Polis of talking to her man.

I like how there are people out there that automatically think since the attackers are black that they come from poverty, without knowing absolutely anything about them. I've come to find out that there's a lot of inherent racist beliefs when it comes to minorities.

It's called "Getting a jack-in-the-box education" Pure ignorance. Now of course it is wrong for anyone to beat up on an individual no matter who they are. Secondly, the person stating if the person was a "white person beating on a black that Al Sharpton, would have been all over it" What an assinine, ignorant assumption, seeing how Al Sharpton is not the speaker, hero, voice for all Blacks in every county, state in the U.S of America. The person who said that, needs to get out more and out of their "comfort zone" and get into the "real world" and not live off "stereotypical, assiinine assumptions" like that. Furthermore, that person seems to be a troll/alter, because they've made a questionable statement on another thread, stating they like "..how Prince tries to "act black", on the "African channel thread in PM&M. Don't play into that kind of nonsense.

The media doesn't give a damn how they play out a story at times, it's all about ratings/viewership, so anytime it's a story on "race" involving crimes of that nature, whether it's a White policer officer shooting an unarmed, black male 41 times or black people beating on a white person or a white person torturing a black girl, etc., the media will jump on it immediately and play into it as long as they can to get the ratings/viewership and advertising dollars. Now don't get me wrong, these type stories should be reported, but I do get what you mean about those young girls and how they should have approached the situation entirely different, and now they have to pay for their actions.

Also, although you mean well, you can't force people to listen or view things the way you know it happens in this society, especially in a society, where "race" topics are very sensitive, because most people will only believe what they want, regardless of the facts or situation. Don't waste your time, they'll have to learn on their own...if at all.

[Edited 4/25/11 20:00pm]

kewlschool said:

johnart said:

I used the word savages, beasts and animals (which in all fairness is not at all fair to members of the animal kingdom) to describe these "children" who tried to kick in the head of another human being.

sav·age

   /ˈsævɪdʒ/ Show Spelled [sav-ij] Show IPA adjective, noun, verb, -aged, -ag·ing.

–adjective

1.

fierce, ferocious, or cruel; untamed: savage beasts.

2.

uncivilized; barbarous: savage tribes.

3.

enraged or furiously angry, as a person.

4.

unpolished; rude: savage manners.

5.

wild or rugged, as country or scenery: savage wilderness.

6.

Archaic . uncultivated; growing wild.

The above fits anyone, of any color, race, gender, cultural background that behaves in such evil manner.

-the trash that dragged that poor gentleman from the back of a pickup truck...savages

-the dudes that killed Mathew Sheppard...savages

-the KKK...savages

-the Germans that killed Jews in the Holocaust...savages

-Priests who have raped/molested young boys...savages

...and so on.

First of all, it would be clear to anyone with half a brain (and who is not looking to stir up unwarranted bullshit) that I am referring to these lovely young ladies in such manner due to their unforgivable behavior. Secondly...You can try and pin some lame-ass late-in-the-game racism fabrication on me but it ain't gonna stick. Unlike you, I'm not some faceless, nameless person hiding behind an org avi. Enough people on this site know me on a "real life" basis to know different. Sell that bullshit somewhere else.

[Edited 4/25/11 18:46pm]

It's about the behavior not color. Savages come in many colors.

Exactly. Violence comes in all colors, there's no special requirement.

StillGotIt said:

Every person on this thread has his/her prejudices. If you claim you do not have any, you are lying to yourself.

I am especially referring to those who find it appropriate to refer to the young girls/teens as "savages". It is mindboggling to me that it bothers some when I refer to a person born with a penis as a man, yet you use a historic notoriously racist term against black children who made a dumb decision. Calling young black girls savages? Are you serious....puh leez I dont hear that term come in reference to any other race here on the org.

But wait...I've probably said too much, I may have just invited a lynch mob to come after me for having an opinion.....

I hear you Stillgotit, but people are going to say what they want, and believe what they want, even if they know it's not right to say it. Some may say it out of prejudice, some say it based on the action of the individuals and the crime. Anytime more than one person beats on an individual, they will be looked at in many, ugly ways by society. I'm more bothered by the act of the crime, than what each individual in society will call the ones who did it.

Just like the 15 year old, white boy, that was savagely, beaten, butchered, burned, and then thrown to the garbage by people of his own race. I cannot say that those who committed that particular crime to that 15-year old, did not act like unruly "savages"....because the motherf***rs did.

I'm the older sister of a male sibling, who years ago, was savagely attacked, by a young, white girl. My brother was 8-years old, when this girl taunted/teased/bullied him, about his skin color, day in day out. She called him n****r, blacky, darky, you name it. He got tired of it, got up from his seat to tell his teacher, and she stabbed him right through his nose with a sharp object, and damaged his adenoids. I don't hate the girl to this day, I was more angry at her parents for not teaching her some respect/education about people from race/cultures different from hers.

My thing is , watch what you teach your kids, and don't be the example you don't want your kids to be. Now often it doesn't matter if you come from the best household, economic situation, anyone is capable of committing acts of crimes. It is also, still unfortunate, that often times "Jim Crow" education still shows its ugly head, and many persons of color, find themselves having to teach their kids, that many in this society are still not ready to accept them as first class citizens, and many will not respect their race/culture, so yes, there is some "extra education" we have to alert them with, i.e. how to deal with cops that don't respect them as citizens, especially where they are not committing any crime at time they are being stopped, etc., Not saying they have a right to commit any crime, as no one does no matter what race they are from, but unfortunately, yes, there are some "extra" things we find ourselves having to alert/or making our kids aware of, like many of our parents/grandparents who lived through the Jim Crow/segregation eras. This society unfortunately, still has a long way to go with "race relations/education."

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