musicjunky318 said:

As a tribute to next Sunday, name some your favorite Oscar blunders over the years. I'll start:

1. Denzel Washington not being awarded Best Actor for "Malcolm X." I thought Al Pacino was terrific in "Scent of A Woman" but Washington's performance was nothing short of extraordinary.

2. Quentin Tarantino not being awarded Best Director for "Pulp Fiction." Really? Come on.

3. "The Color Purple" walking away with nothing out of 11 nominations.

4. "Song of the Heart" being snubbed from a Best Original Song nomination.

5. "The Departed" winning Best Picture. Just no.

FOR. REAL.

Here's another one: Tom Hanks should have been Best Actor for Cast Away. He ABSOLUTELY deserved to win for that performance.

WaterInYourBath said:

Here's another one: Tom Hanks should have been Best Actor for Cast Away. He ABSOLUTELY deserved to win for that performance.

Here's another one:

I deserved an Oscar just for sitting throught that fuckin movie.

johnart said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Here's another one: Tom Hanks should have been Best Actor for Cast Away. He ABSOLUTELY deserved to win for that performance.

Here's another one:

I deserved an Oscar just for sitting throught that fuckin movie.

That's nice.

WaterInYourBath said:

johnart said:

Here's another one:

I deserved an Oscar just for sitting throught that fuckin movie.

That's nice.

Come to think of it I deserved one for suffering The English Patient too.

2000 was a tight year for Best Actor.

Combine his double win for Philadelphia and Forrest with the competition here and I just don't see how he stood a chance.

Actor:
RUSSELL CROWE in "Gladiator," Javier Bardem in "Before Night Falls," Tom Hanks in "Cast Away," Ed Harris in "Pollock," Geoffrey Rush in "Quills"

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#1: Yes Denzel should had won for "Malcolm X", however, the academy had to make up for when they robbed Al Pacino for the Best Actor Oscar way back for "The Godfather, Part II".

#2: It's ridiculous that a man as talented as Johnny Depp is, still doesn't have an Oscar to this day.

#3: Don't really get how Will Smith was nominated for Ali...I think I was more impressed with Jamie Foxx's performance in the film

#4: Forget "Shawshank Redemption" and "Driving Miss Daisy"...Morgan Freeman should had gotten a best actor nod and won for "Lean on Me".

#5: The oscar they gave Halle Berry, I've always felt, was a "mercy" oscar in order to shut people up about the lack of awarding academy awards to deserving African Americans. The fuck up here is, they gave the oscar to Halle Berry for a role that she really wasn't that great in and then gave the oscar to Denzel for a role where he was great but "wasn't his greatest" in, on the same night where Sidney Poiter is honored by the academy. Wow what a coincidence.

This is precisely why I do not waste any of my time watching that bullshit show.

SEANMAN said:

In no particular order:

That the brilliant Julianne Moore has never won an Oscar, even after being nominated twice in the same year (Best Actresss and Best Supporting Actress)

That the equally brilliant Jennifer Jason Leigh has only been nominated once

It took Jeff Bridges up until last year to win an Academy Award after an outstanding, decades-long career

Farrah Fawcett being overlooked in the In-Memoriam portion of the show last year

Ryan Gosling has never been nominated

(there are many more, but these are just the ones that instantly came to me)

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farrah was a television icon. not a movie icon, in my opinion..there was no snub

BlackAdder7 said:

SEANMAN said:

In no particular order:

That the brilliant Julianne Moore has never won an Oscar, even after being nominated twice in the same year (Best Actresss and Best Supporting Actress)

That the equally brilliant Jennifer Jason Leigh has only been nominated once

It took Jeff Bridges up until last year to win an Academy Award after an outstanding, decades-long career

Farrah Fawcett being overlooked in the In-Memoriam portion of the show last year

Ryan Gosling has never been nominated

(there are many more, but these are just the ones that instantly came to me)

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farrah was a television icon. not a movie icon, in my opinion..there was no snub

No doubt she was a TV icon, but she had acted in several films as well, most notably "Extremities", in which she gave a stunning, Golden Globe-nominated performance, and "The Apostle", which was a critcs' darling. Definite snub.

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johnart said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Here's another one: Tom Hanks should have been Best Actor for Cast Away. He ABSOLUTELY deserved to win for that performance.

Here's another one:

I deserved an Oscar just for sitting throught that fuckin movie.

You ain nevah lied! God, what a snoozefest!

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Shyra said:

johnart said:

Here's another one:

I deserved an Oscar just for sitting throught that fuckin movie.

You ain nevah lied! God, what a snoozefest!

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johnart said:

Shyra said:

You ain nevah lied! God, what a snoozefest!

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I wanted to go to a Wilson store and stab every fuckin ball in the place.

Peter O'Toole lacks an actor's Oscar. Any one of his classic portrayals -- Becket, Lawrence of Arabia, Lion In Winter, are crowning achievements. Pun kinda intended.

johnart said:

Shyra said:

You ain nevah lied! God, what a snoozefest!

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I wanted to go to a Wilson store and stab every fuckin ball in the place.

The French Connection ... best movie in 1971

missfee said:

#1: Yes Denzel should had won for "Malcolm X", however, the academy had to make up for when they robbed Al Pacino for the Best Actor Oscar way back for "The Godfather, Part II".

#2: It's ridiculous that a man as talented as Johnny Depp is, still doesn't have an Oscar to this day.

#3: Don't really get how Will Smith was nominated for Ali...I think I was more impressed with Jamie Foxx's performance in the film

#4: Forget "Shawshank Redemption" and "Driving Miss Daisy"...Morgan Freeman should had gotten a best actor nod and won for "Lean on Me".

#5: The oscar they gave Halle Berry, I've always felt, was a "mercy" oscar in order to shut people up about the lack of awarding academy awards to deserving African Americans. The fuck up here is, they gave the oscar to Halle Berry for a role that she really wasn't that great in and then gave the oscar to Denzel for a role where he was great but "wasn't his greatest" in, on the same night where Sidney Poiter is honored by the academy. Wow what a coincidence.

This is precisely why I do not waste any of my time watching that bullshit show.

Yeah I was watching that show like " "

I still think Eddie got robbed for his role in "Dreamgirls". He was the attraction of the film, not Jennifer.

Timmy84 said:

missfee said:

#1: Yes Denzel should had won for "Malcolm X", however, the academy had to make up for when they robbed Al Pacino for the Best Actor Oscar way back for "The Godfather, Part II".

#2: It's ridiculous that a man as talented as Johnny Depp is, still doesn't have an Oscar to this day.

#3: Don't really get how Will Smith was nominated for Ali...I think I was more impressed with Jamie Foxx's performance in the film

#4: Forget "Shawshank Redemption" and "Driving Miss Daisy"...Morgan Freeman should had gotten a best actor nod and won for "Lean on Me".

#5: The oscar they gave Halle Berry, I've always felt, was a "mercy" oscar in order to shut people up about the lack of awarding academy awards to deserving African Americans. The fuck up here is, they gave the oscar to Halle Berry for a role that she really wasn't that great in and then gave the oscar to Denzel for a role where he was great but "wasn't his greatest" in, on the same night where Sidney Poiter is honored by the academy. Wow what a coincidence.

This is precisely why I do not waste any of my time watching that bullshit show.

Yeah I was watching that show like " "

I still think Eddie got robbed for his role in "Dreamgirls". He was the attraction of the film, not Jennifer.

I loved Halle in that role. I remember feeling she was very deserving.

Actress:
HALLE BERRY in "Monster's Ball," Judi Dench in "Iris," Nicole Kidman in "Moulin Rouge," Sissy Spacek in "In the Bedroom," Renee Zellwegger in "Bridget Jones's Diary"

In regards to Denzel getting an award for a performance that wasn't his personal greatest... you can't always give someone an Oscar in their "greatest" role because while it might be their greatest, there might be someone who still did a better job for that year. Not saying that they should compensate for it on a different year. This is what they did with Cher IMO, who so clearly deserved one for Mask.

All that said, I would have awarded Penn for I Am Sam over him that year.

But this kind of reminds me of our convo re: Teena and being embraced, when you mentioned that all of a sudden folk feel this way and that. I don't remember very many black people saying these actors were undeserving at the time they were honored.

And yeah, Eddie was great in that role. But J-hud was deserving as well. But one category should not affect the other.

When all is said and done, it's good to keep in mind that this is just an opinion poll/popularity. There really is no set standard by which any of us can say this one did a better job than the other.

Very few cases there are performances of a lifetime where you just KNOW that person HAS to be recognized. For example Mo'nique in Precious. When you saw that movie you walked out feeling like OMG this is something an actress has not and will not achieve this year or maybe in decades. That is very rare occurance tho.

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1997 Supporting Actress:
KIM BASINGER in "L.A. Confidential", Joan Cusack in "In and Out", Minnie Driver in "Good Will Hunting", Julianne Moore in "Boogie Nights", Gloria Stuart in "Titanic"

My love for Julianne aside, I remember watching L.A. Confidential and thinking WTF did she do but look pretty to win this award?

1998

Picture:
SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE, "Elizabeth", "Life is Beautiful" (Best Foreign Language Film winner), "Saving Private Ryan", "The Thin Red Line"
Actor:
ROBERTO BENIGNI in "Life is Beautiful", Tom Hanks in "Saving Private Ryan", Ian McKellen in "Gods and Monsters", Nick Nolte in "Affliction", Edward Norton in "American History X"
Actress:
GWYNETH PALTROW in "Shakespeare in Love", Cate Blanchett in "Elizabeth", Fernanda Montenegro in "Central Station", Meryl Streep in "One True Thing", Emily Watson in "Hilary and Jackie"

I was not a fan of SHEKK-Ah-SPEAR In Love and hated seeing it win over Elizabeth. I was even more pissed to see Gwyneth win over Cate.

2000 Best Actress:
JULIA ROBERTS in "Erin Brockovich," Joan Allen in "The Contender," Juliette Binoche in "Chocolat," Ellen Burstyn in "Requiem for a Dream," Laura Linney in "You Can Count On Me"

Now THIS WAS SOME SHIT!!! Joan ALlen was brilliant in The Contender, not to mention Burstyn in that mindfuck of a movie.Pretty much every single actress was better in these movies than Roberts was in hers. I thought Erin Brockovich was a fluffy movie.

Timmy84 said:

missfee said:

#1: Yes Denzel should had won for "Malcolm X", however, the academy had to make up for when they robbed Al Pacino for the Best Actor Oscar way back for "The Godfather, Part II".

#2: It's ridiculous that a man as talented as Johnny Depp is, still doesn't have an Oscar to this day.

#3: Don't really get how Will Smith was nominated for Ali...I think I was more impressed with Jamie Foxx's performance in the film

#4: Forget "Shawshank Redemption" and "Driving Miss Daisy"...Morgan Freeman should had gotten a best actor nod and won for "Lean on Me".

#5: The oscar they gave Halle Berry, I've always felt, was a "mercy" oscar in order to shut people up about the lack of awarding academy awards to deserving African Americans. The fuck up here is, they gave the oscar to Halle Berry for a role that she really wasn't that great in and then gave the oscar to Denzel for a role where he was great but "wasn't his greatest" in, on the same night where Sidney Poiter is honored by the academy. Wow what a coincidence.

This is precisely why I do not waste any of my time watching that bullshit show.

Yeah I was watching that show like " "

I still think Eddie got robbed for his role in "Dreamgirls". He was the attraction of the film, not Jennifer.

Ah, the Great Norbit Heist.

Release a bad movie between New Year's and Oscars with a statue on the line, and that's the risk.

I still think Portman could lose because of that flick with Kutcher that came out about a month ago. No Strings Attached, was it?

johnart said:

Joan ALlen was brilliant in The Contender, not to mention Burstyn . . .

She was good in it, but Jeff Bridges stole the show with my favorite portrayal of a president on film. Man he was electric in The Contender.

Requiem for a Dream felt like it went on for days it was so painful. Brilliant, but painful. That was the flick that convinced me Marlon Wayans could be a good actor, so it must have made an impression, right?

namepeace said:

johnart said:

Joan ALlen was brilliant in The Contender, not to mention Burstyn . . .

She was good in it, but Jeff Bridges stole the show with my favorite portrayal of a president on film. Man he was electric in The Contender.

Requiem for a Dream felt like it went on for days it was so painful. Brilliant, but painful. That was the flick that convinced me Marlon Wayans could be a good actor, so it must have made an impression, right?

This is what I mean about one performance should not affect the consideration of the other if they fall under different categories. As far as Oscar voters, I mean.

I agree on both accounts re: Requiem.

johnart said:

2000 Best Actress:
JULIA ROBERTS in "Erin Brockovich," Joan Allen in "The Contender," Juliette Binoche in "Chocolat," Ellen Burstyn in "Requiem for a Dream," Laura Linney in "You Can Count On Me"

For me, this is THE biggest WTF Oscar moment I can think of - even more so than Rob Lowe dancing with Snow White. I, personally, wanted Ellen Burstyn to win. She can speak one line, one line, and I'm brought to tears ("What have I got, Harry? I'm lonely. I'm old"), but ANY of the other actresses in this category deserved it over Julia. Even a few others who weren't nominated this year deserved it over Julia.

Another WTF moment, the next year’s Oscars when Julia gave the award to Denzel Washington and proceeded to HANG on him the rest of the evening.

And one more - Helen Hunt winning for "As Good As It Gets." She had an accent for about 1/3 of the movie. That, my friends, is definitely not as good as it gets.

jillybean said:

johnart said:

2000 Best Actress:
JULIA ROBERTS in "Erin Brockovich," Joan Allen in "The Contender," Juliette Binoche in "Chocolat," Ellen Burstyn in "Requiem for a Dream," Laura Linney in "You Can Count On Me"

And one more - Helen Hunt winning for "As Good As It Gets." She had an accent for about 1/3 of the movie. That, my friends, is definitely not as good as it gets.

I miss Calhounsq her views on Helen Hunt & Laura Linney were legendary and they def changed the way I saw their acting

johnart said:

namepeace said:

She was good in it, but Jeff Bridges stole the show with my favorite portrayal of a president on film. Man he was electric in The Contender.

Requiem for a Dream felt like it went on for days it was so painful. Brilliant, but painful. That was the flick that convinced me Marlon Wayans could be a good actor, so it must have made an impression, right?

This is what I mean about one performance should not affect the consideration of the other if they fall under different categories. As far as Oscar voters, I mean.

I agree on both accounts re: Requiem.

I think both Allen and Bridges were worthy of winning. Good points, and I also believe that the lower profile of the flick in comparison with the other nominees had an effect as well.

namepeace said:

johnart said:

This is what I mean about one performance should not affect the consideration of the other if they fall under different categories. As far as Oscar voters, I mean.

I agree on both accounts re: Requiem.

I think both Allen and Bridges were worthy of winning. Good points, and I also believe that the lower profile of the flick in comparison with the other nominees had an effect as well.

Sure. It's not that often (or at least it doesn't feel that way) that performances in lower-profile films get further than the nomination. Jessica Lange in Blue Sky was a good example of when this was not a factor. I believe that movie kind of came and went not doing much at the box office and was already on video by the time she got the nomination.

johnart said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah I was watching that show like " "

I still think Eddie got robbed for his role in "Dreamgirls". He was the attraction of the film, not Jennifer.

I loved Halle in that role. I remember feeling she was very deserving.

Actress:
HALLE BERRY in "Monster's Ball," Judi Dench in "Iris," Nicole Kidman in "Moulin Rouge," Sissy Spacek in "In the Bedroom," Renee Zellwegger in "Bridget Jones's Diary"

In regards to Denzel getting an award for a performance that wasn't his personal greatest... you can't always give someone an Oscar in their "greatest" role because while it might be their greatest, there might be someone who still did a better job for that year. Not saying that they should compensate for it on a different year. This is what they did with Cher IMO, who so clearly deserved one for Mask.

All that said, I would have awarded Penn for I Am Sam over him that year.

But this kind of reminds me of our convo re: Teena and being embraced, when you mentioned that all of a sudden folk feel this way and that. I don't remember very many black people saying these actors were undeserving at the time they were honored.

And yeah, Eddie was great in that role. But J-hud was deserving as well. But one category should not affect the other.

When all is said and done, it's good to keep in mind that this is just an opinion poll/popularity. There really is no set standard by which any of us can say this one did a better job than the other.

Very few cases there are performances of a lifetime where you just KNOW that person HAS to be recognized. For example Mo'nique in Precious. When you saw that movie you walked out feeling like OMG this is something an actress has not and will not achieve this year or maybe in decades. That is very rare occurance tho.

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It's like "the flavor of the month club." It's whomever their other fellow actors want to get the prize, hence "popularity contest."

namepeace said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah I was watching that show like " "

I still think Eddie got robbed for his role in "Dreamgirls". He was the attraction of the film, not Jennifer.

Ah, the Great Norbit Heist.

Release a bad movie between New Year's and Oscars with a statue on the line, and that's the risk.

But Norbit got nominated for an Oscar too.

sextonseven said:

namepeace said:

Ah, the Great Norbit Heist.

Release a bad movie between New Year's and Oscars with a statue on the line, and that's the risk.

But Norbit got nominated for an Oscar too.

Karma? She's real.

I think Meryl Streep hasn't been nomimated enough to be honest

johnart said:

2000 Best Actress:
JULIA ROBERTS in "Erin Brockovich," Joan Allen in "The Contender," Juliette Binoche in "Chocolat," Ellen Burstyn in "Requiem for a Dream," Laura Linney in "You Can Count On Me"

While I'm sure Joan Allen and Ellen Burstyn were probably more deserving of the Best Actress award that year, Julia Roberts won because she had a breakthrough performance which broke her out of the typecast sweetheart/damsel in distress roles she had previously played since Pretty Woman. I personally liked Julia Roberts in that movie and think it was her best role ever, but looking back I don't think it was the best acting performance by a woman that year. In fact, besides Joan Allen and Ellen Burstyn, Zhang Ziyi gave an outstanding performance in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon which wasn't even nominated.

728huey said:

johnart said:

2000 Best Actress:
JULIA ROBERTS in "Erin Brockovich," Joan Allen in "The Contender," Juliette Binoche in "Chocolat," Ellen Burstyn in "Requiem for a Dream," Laura Linney in "You Can Count On Me"

While I'm sure Joan Allen and Ellen Burstyn were probably more deserving of the Best Actress award that year, Julia Roberts won because she had a breakthrough performance which broke her out of the typecast sweetheart/damsel in distress roles she had previously played since Pretty Woman. I personally liked Julia Roberts in that movie and think it was her best role ever, but looking back I don't think it was the best acting performance by a woman that year. In fact, besides Joan Allen and Ellen Burstyn, Zhang Ziyi gave an outstanding performance in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon which wasn't even nominated.

Zhang was great; CTHD, the best film of that year in hindsight.