some of shops round here sell lil piglets... whole piglets! I am going to get one soon, and use my set it and forget it grill!

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Okay, I got curious. Again. And I tried to do a quickie search. Again. And a message board is all I could find that seemed to come close to what I wanted to know. I found it funny because Tesco is mentioned and they own Fresh N’ Easy, but since I know at the very least they get their meats from US farms I don’t think the UK laws apply. I haven’t gotten that taste in the pork I’ve bought from them.

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I drew a line at mammals ( I like dogs, so I try to completely avoid eating pigs). Trying to avoid eating them. Including humans (even though I probably have loved some dogs more than some people).

@ "Boar Taint"

I get this vision of some male pig sneaking into a processing plant and nuttin' all on the meat before it's packaged and shipped to the grocery store.

Wilbur's revenge!

ufoclub said:

I drew a line at mammals ( I like dogs, so I try to completely avoid eating pigs). Trying to avoid eating them. Including humans (even though I probably have loved some dogs more than some people).

Cerebus said:

vainandy said:

It sure is. Vegetables ain't eatable without some sort of pork seasoning. Also, every damn part of their body is eatable. I know lots of folks that eat pigs feet and hell I love me some pig ears. I even saw pig snouts in the grocery store.

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Maaaan, I had an uncle who LOOOOOOVED him some pigs feet. I would sit there amazed, like, "but you SEE what they walk around in ALL DAY!" He would just laugh and eat another foot.

Oh, my dad loves pickled pigs' feet.

And don't get me started on Sweetie and chitlins. (I know, it's spelled chitterlings. But that's silly.) Before you even ask - no, I don't cook them.

HotGritz said:

@ "Boar Taint"

I get this vision of some male pig sneaking into a processing plant and nuttin' all on the meat before it's packaged and shipped to the grocery store.

Wilbur's revenge!

you're really working it

the only way i know of around this mess is to go through CSAs, or one could just not eat pork, but then the truth is unless you know personally the people who are involved in the production of your food, there's no way to know for sure what's really going on, including fruits and vegetables.

morningsong said:

HotGritz said:

@ "Boar Taint"

I get this vision of some male pig sneaking into a processing plant and nuttin' all on the meat before it's packaged and shipped to the grocery store.

Wilbur's revenge!

you're really working it

the only way i know of around this mess is to go through CSAs, or one could just not eat pork, but then the truth is unless you know personally the people who are involved in the production of your food, there's no way to know for sure what's really going on, including fruits and vegetables.

NOW SEE! i was all set to eat fruit and vegetables and now u scared me some more. I'm going to eat air from now on.,

dammit! that's fucked up too!!!!

The day we really found out all that goes on about everything we're just gonna sit in one spot and wither away.

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HotGritz said:

morningsong said:

you're really working it

the only way i know of around this mess is to go through CSAs, or one could just not eat pork, but then the truth is unless you know personally the people who are involved in the production of your food, there's no way to know for sure what's really going on, including fruits and vegetables.

NOW SEE! i was all set to eat fruit and vegetables and now u scared me some more. I'm going to eat air from now on.,

dammit! that's fucked up too!!!!

Awww.

This would be a good place for "The more you know"

I just take what I know make a decision and roll with it, or else go nuts worrying about it.

SCNDLS said:

morningsong said:

Yeah Food, Inc The future of food and Michael Pollan opened my eyes to a lot of stuff I shovel down my gullet, not that I've stopped shoveling just that I'm aware of it.

and

Solution: Don't watch that shit and pass the chitlins!

No SCNDLS. Don't tell me you do that damn thang.

Small organic farms and csa. This stuff doesn't happen there

Just bought 100 pounds of pork a neighbor raised

paintsprayer said:

Small organic farms and csa. This stuff doesn't happen there

Just bought 100 pounds of pork a neighbor raised

You need to org note me that.

I admit i still eat bacon and pork chop on occasion but i was totally turned off

by pork skins since 2001 when i went to the flea market and saw the vendor

cooking them and they smelled like raw ass. Never touched a pork skin

since. I already don't do beef and looking at Oprah's show the other night seeing

how they do cattle was a complete turnoff. I'm not giving up chicken and fish though.

phunkdaddy said:

paintsprayer said:

Small organic farms and csa. This stuff doesn't happen there

Just bought 100 pounds of pork a neighbor raised

You need to org note me that.

I admit i still eat bacon and pork chop on occasion but i was totally turned off

by pork skins since 2001 when i went to the flea market and saw the vendor

cooking them and they smelled like raw ass. Never touched a pork skin

since. I already don't do beef and looking at Oprah's show the other night seeing

how they do cattle was a complete turnoff. I'm not giving up chicken and fish though.

well, this will ruin that:

find grass fed beef, organic free range poultry and wild caught fish

HotGritz said:

Ewww. I was channel surfing late last night and came across a show with all these cute little piggies running about on a patch of green grass. They were pink, must have been 2 dozen of them, and they played with each other and nipped at each other and looked absolutely darling. Little did I know I had been hoodwinked into watching a horror show!

So uh, apparently the hot links I occcasionally consumer are not the result of humane killing of some pig past it's prime. Oh no.....we are torturing babiy pigs and adult pigs alike!

So what did I learn/witness by watching this horrorfest of swine?

1. Pigs are actually as smart if not smarter than dogs. Some of these little pigs were actually taught to do tricks as a display of their intelligence. They are quick learners and can learn by watching other pigs and do not require treats as incentive the way many dogs do.

2. Female pigs are given hormones to grow fatter and produce larger litters. Once they have been impregnanted and have given birth, they are not allowed to follow their natural maternal and nesting instincts. Instead, they are kept in a cage according to their weight and forced to lay confined so that the little piggies can nurse. Momma can't even get up to go potty she has to shit/piss right there in her cage!

3. Little piggies grow their teeth rather quickly and as any baby would do, they teeth. In order to keep the piggy from nipping at his siblings or at momma, his/her teeth are cut! They pick the piggy up by his head, pry open his jaw and cut his teeth with small garden shears. They don't even give the piggy something for the pain. You want to see a depressed pig? Look at a pig who just had their teeth cut like a hang nail.

4. Oh and here's a doozy. In order to uh, curb aggression and slow maturity, they snip the male pigs balls off. Again, they pick up the little piggy (by his front legs) and hold him tight. While one farmer holds the pig, the other comes along with a box cutter and slices the balls clean off! I've never heard such squeals of pain and seen such frantic kicking before in any animal. They pour iodine over the open wound and that's it. Nothing for the pain, no sedation prior to "surgery". Supposedly this is also done to help the pig live longer.

5. The slaughterhouse. Let me just say, Hannibal Lector was probably a more humane executioner than what I saw on this program. These pigs KNOW that they are going to be killed. It's a scary thing to see a pig struggle for it's life and even more scary to witness them killed while they are STILL ALIVE!

I'm done! Grossed out and done!

Pigs/swines are unclean animals. You're doing the right thing for yourself by not eathing pork sausages anymore.

NDRU said:

I eat meat, but I don't like to eat pork because I know pigs are intelligent. Farming can be cruel to any animal, but somehow for pigs it seems worse.

I might be hypocritical, but oh well.

but they roll around in dirt and shit

For some reason, I don't have fuzzy feelings about consuming pork. In 9th great we had to dissect baby pigs for biology class, and while I found them cute on one hand, I somehow didn't feel anything once they were dead and we had to cut them up to study their skeleton and organs.

As an adult I've had a chance to do photo shoots on farms in Europe, and have literally been in a few pig pens, but they didn't appear to live in such rough conditions. Actually they were free roaming pretty and pretty aggressive. I honestly thought I was going to get my ass kicked by a female pig once. At feeding time they will seriously scrap with anybody that gets in their way. The females were actually feistier than the males, who knew?

In Italy, I've had agriculture oriented vacations, and my favorite are actually on farms that specialize in the production of smoked hams & salumi: Proscuitto, Capicola/Coppa,Sopressatta etc., you live amongst the pigs, you can opt to take courses in preparation of the meat from slaughter to smoking, you eat what is produced on the farm. Somehow I've just never freaked out over consuming the piggies though.

However...one thing that sends me completely wackadoo is quail. I used to eat quail a lot when I was young. But one day I'd tried to eat quail here in Europe and it just freaked me out. Will never touch it again. Don't know why but I can't handle it

Cerebus said:

vainandy said:

It sure is. Vegetables ain't eatable without some sort of pork seasoning. Also, every damn part of their body is eatable. I know lots of folks that eat pigs feet and hell I love me some pig ears. I even saw pig snouts in the grocery store.

.

Maaaan, I had an uncle who LOOOOOOVED him some pigs feet. I would sit there amazed, like, "but you SEE what they walk around in ALL DAY!" He would just laugh and eat another foot.

My dad used to eat pig's feet.I was never bold enough to try it

SoulAlive said:

Cerebus said:

Maaaan, I had an uncle who LOOOOOOVED him some pigs feet. I would sit there amazed, like, "but you SEE what they walk around in ALL DAY!" He would just laugh and eat another foot.

My dad used to eat pig's feet.I was never bold enough to try it

I used to eat the above as a kid. I don't mess around now, but I will eat a hot pig foot for New Year's with some hoppin john!

Shyra said:

SoulAlive said:

My dad used to eat pig's feet.I was never bold enough to try it

I used to eat the above as a kid. I don't mess around now, but I will eat a hot pig foot for New Year's with some hoppin john!

I can't get with pig's feet, but I will mess a ham hock up (with some greens on the side!!!!)

Shyra said:

SoulAlive said:

My dad used to eat pig's feet.I was never bold enough to try it

I used to eat the above as a kid. I don't mess around now, but I will eat a hot pig foot for New Year's with some hoppin john!

As a kid I also ate pig's feet. Not in jar like that. Puerto Ricans make a delicious pigs feet stew with chick peas and stuff that you serve over rice.

Ottensen said:

Shyra said:

I used to eat the above as a kid. I don't mess around now, but I will eat a hot pig foot for New Year's with some hoppin john!

I can't get with pig's feet, but I will mess a ham hock up (with some greens on the side!!!!)

Isn't a ham hock the ankle of the pig? So you're just a little farther up from the trotter.

johnart said:

Shyra said:

I used to eat the above as a kid. I don't mess around now, but I will eat a hot pig foot for New Year's with some hoppin john!

As a kid I also ate pig's feet. Not in jar like that. Puerto Ricans make a delicious pigs feet stew with chick peas and stuff that you serve over rice.

So that's the Rican version of the soul food version of "Hoppin John" which is black-eyed peas and rice. A trotter with some hoppin john and hot sauce, greens and a side of some home made potato salad--make you slap yo mama!

duh

meat is murder

bboy87 said:

NDRU said:

I eat meat, but I don't like to eat pork because I know pigs are intelligent. Farming can be cruel to any animal, but somehow for pigs it seems worse.

I might be hypocritical, but oh well.

but they roll around in dirt and shit

And some humans eat shit.

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Here's a thought I just had:

Let's start saving the smart animals and eating the fucktard-dumb humans.

Dewrede said:

duh

meat is murder

Yay for you!

Shyra said:

johnart said:

As a kid I also ate pig's feet. Not in jar like that. Puerto Ricans make a delicious pigs feet stew with chick peas and stuff that you serve over rice.

So that's the Rican version of the soul food version of "Hoppin John" which is black-eyed peas and rice. A trotter with some hoppin john and hot sauce, greens and a side of some home made potato salad--make you slap yo mama!

I'm starting to think if maybe I'm not gonna do the cookin when you come over but put your ass to work. I'm hungry now.