KatSkrizzle said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

^^^^ fuck all that shit. Dogs are where its at.

I don't care for cats either. Besides having an awful allergy of them too.

Both of my cats have an awesome energy to them. Friendly and intuitive they are. Hmph.

JustErin said:

Cerebus said:

Actually, you have a hard time admitting somebody else may be right, but I still love ya. In case you didn't notice, I did partially agree with you. Otherwise...

Seriously though, how can anybody honestly believe that any human being knows whats going on in an animals head. They learn by repitition and some are more intelligent and/or stubborn than others.

They don't claim to know what's in their head.

They study their behaviour... hence the term Behaviourist. They're not called Animal Mind Readers.

Behaviour can tell you everything....like right now...your behaviour is indicating that you really do not want to be wrong about this.

But really, many people claim that anthropomorphism is the worst thing you can do when it comes to dealing with animals, yet methods like this one has it's foundation firmly placed in anthropomorphism. What makes sense to you doesn't mean it makes sense to an animal. You need to understand what truly makes sense to an them and since they can't tell us verbally the only way to do that is to study their behaviour.

I mean, come on...what makes more sense....training methods that are based on working with natural instinct and behaviour or by assumptions that human thought and emotion will work?

So really...who really should "suck it"?

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Clearly, you should. Since much like most everyone else around here lately you don't seem to be able to have a discussion without it being about who is wrong or right and using insults. Whatever. You still clearly missed the point entirely. I don't believe any of these people actually "understand" (your word) what's going on in an animals head. I'm also pretty sure that what I suggested deals implicitly with a canines "natural" scent "instincts" (your words again). Lastly, I didn't say anything about human thought and emotion (which sounds exactly like what a behavorist does) or anthropomorphism. The issue for me is not the method, but rather how it's used. Anger and violence towards a pet of any kind is never OK. I assume we can at least agree on that.

I am forever going to think of you as The Orger Who Sleeps on a Cat Pee Bed.

FauxReal said:

Pee on your bed first next time. Mark your territory

You are one of the underrated wits on this website.

you need a new mattress

and a new cat

preferably one with a catheter

JustErin said:

Maybe she's sick, a UTI perhaps. I would have her checked out by a vet first.

That's exactly what I was thinking. If the cat is peeing a lot, and in an inappropriate place, it COULD be a UTI.

Shyra said:

Keyumdi said:

Keep your bedroom door closed.

My dog who used to be the best dog in the world has gotten old and senile. She now lets go on the carpet right in front of me. Poor thing. Not one year ago she would have been completely embarrassed about having gone in the house.

Take your dog to the vet! She might be sick. Seriously. I had a cat that would get these bladder infections and would pee outside the box. I was talking on the telephone in my living room and Doris squatted right in front of me, let out a scream and starting peeing directly on the carpet. I could see bright red blood in her urine. It actually looked like she was peeing blood. I immediately hung up on the person I was talking to, scooped her up and put her in her carrier and to the emergency vet. Yep, bladder infection. She would get them a few times during her life. So I always believe that if an animal pees or defecates right in front of you, it's trying to tell you it's sick.

Some folk might be "pissed off" when animals mess up carpets and furniture. They shouldn't be pet owners if they value their possessions more than their animals. Carpet and furniture can be replaced, and I guess some will feel so can the animal, but when you love your animals unconditionally, it's not that important; at least not to me. The carpet was cleaned, no harm, no foul.

My parents had a cat that would pee blood (in the bathtub), when he had a UTI. We had to take him to the vet's Christmas Day in the evening, because we knew that something was really wrong with him. The vet told us that is we had not brought him in to be seen that night, that he probably would have died of a ruptured bladder. He wound up having an operation for it, and had to take a pill every day, to keep the crystals in his bladder from forming. Once he had that done, and had his daily pill, he was fine. He lived to be 14 years old.

My cat, when he had a UTI, squatted on a piece of paper in the floor, and tried to urinate, right in front of me. I knew then that he needed immediate attention, and did the same thing, put him into a carrier, and took him to the emergency vet. Turns out he had to have the same operation that my parent's cat did. I have to keep him on special food, to keep the crystals from forming in his urine. The vet gave me STRICT instructions to NEVER take him off the food, or his urinary problems would return. So far, so good.

scriptgirl said:

I figured out what it is-she was made at me for making her come in and mad another female cat was sniffing around the apartment door

Glad you were able to figure out why your cat was peeing inappropriately. Cats are definitely very territorial, and are not afraid to "mark" what they consider to be their property. It seems to be a way of telling other cats, "This is my territory! Stay away!"

Shyra said:

Keyumdi said:

Keep your bedroom door closed.

My dog who used to be the best dog in the world has gotten old and senile. She now lets go on the carpet right in front of me. Poor thing. Not one year ago she would have been completely embarrassed about having gone in the house.

Take your dog to the vet! She might be sick. Seriously. I had a cat that would get these bladder infections and would pee outside the box. I was talking on the telephone in my living room and Doris squatted right in front of me, let out a scream and starting peeing directly on the carpet. I could see bright red blood in her urine. It actually looked like she was peeing blood. I immediately hung up on the person I was talking to, scooped her up and put her in her carrier and to the emergency vet. Yep, bladder infection. She would get them a few times during her life. So I always believe that if an animal pees or defecates right in front of you, it's trying to tell you it's sick.

Some folk might be "pissed off" when animals mess up carpets and furniture. They shouldn't be pet owners if they value their possessions more than their animals. Carpet and furniture can be replaced, and I guess some will feel so can the animal, but when you love your animals unconditionally, it's not that important; at least not to me. The carpet was cleaned, no harm, no foul.

There's no blood or odd odor and it's not just urine that she's having accidents with. Most of the time she asks to go out still. The old girl is.. well.. getting old. She is actually in the early stages of renal disease, her kidneys are shriveling, so she's going a lot more than she used to. Thanks for your concern.

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Cerebus said:

KatSkrizzle said:

I don't care for cats either. Besides having an awful allergy of them too.

Both of my cats have an awesome energy to them. Friendly and intuitive they are. Hmph.

Hey, I can't help that my face swells and I start scratching everywhere like a crackhead when one is around! The sneezing and the feeling of needles in my eyes! Those fucking things. And if you are nasty and never clean the house? Even worse! Fucking cats! I'm going to have an allergy fit thinking about it!

It's said that cat owners are more selfish and into themselves, while dog owners are more social. Just a generalization, though.

KatSkrizzle said:

Cerebus said:

Both of my cats have an awesome energy to them. Friendly and intuitive they are. Hmph.

Hey, I can't help that my face swells and I start scratching everywhere like a crackhead when one is around! The sneezing and the feeling of needles in my eyes! Those fucking things. And if you are nasty and never clean the house? Even worse! Fucking cats! I'm going to have an allergy fit thinking about it!

It's said that cat owners are more selfish and into themselves, while dog owners are more social. Just a generalization, though.

No, it's not that we're more selfish. We just value our independence and time with ourselves. Cat people don't need hoards of people around them all the time. We're more serene and content with our own company. Whereas dog people seem to be more gregarious and outgoing. I love dogs, too and would have one if I didn't have 7 cats.

The beauty about cats is that you don't have to walk them. All they require is food, water, shelter, love and a clean litter box. They pretty much take care of themselves and most sleep at least 14-18 hours a day.

For someone who hates cats, you like them in your name!

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Shyra said:

KatSkrizzle said:

Hey, I can't help that my face swells and I start scratching everywhere like a crackhead when one is around! The sneezing and the feeling of needles in my eyes! Those fucking things. And if you are nasty and never clean the house? Even worse! Fucking cats! I'm going to have an allergy fit thinking about it!

It's said that cat owners are more selfish and into themselves, while dog owners are more social. Just a generalization, though.

No, it's not that we're more selfish. We just value our independence and time with ourselves. Cat people don't need hoards of people around them all the time. We're more serene and content with our own company. Whereas dog people seem to be more gregarious and outgoing. I love dogs, too and would have one if I didn't have 7 cats.

The beauty about cats is that you don't have to walk them. All they require is food, water, shelter, love and a clean litter box. They pretty much take care of themselves and most sleep at least 14-18 hours a day.

For someone who hates cats, you like them in your name!

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I know, right! Allergies! Allergies! My full name is Katharine, so I shortened it! You don't walk them, yes. But they shit in your house, regularly.

I've always been told be wary of a man that is a cat owner. He's more selfish and self centered.

Seven cats??? I would say you walked into the joke, but nah!

KatSkrizzle said:

Shyra said:

No, it's not that we're more selfish. We just value our independence and time with ourselves. Cat people don't need hoards of people around them all the time. We're more serene and content with our own company. Whereas dog people seem to be more gregarious and outgoing. I love dogs, too and would have one if I didn't have 7 cats.

The beauty about cats is that you don't have to walk them. All they require is food, water, shelter, love and a clean litter box. They pretty much take care of themselves and most sleep at least 14-18 hours a day.

For someone who hates cats, you like them in your name!

[Edited 12/6/10 10:52am]

I know, right! Allergies! Allergies! My full name is Katharine, so I shortened it! You don't walk them, yes. But they shit in your house, regularly.

I've always been told be wary of a man that is a cat owner. He's more selfish and self centered.

Seven cats??? I would say you walked into the joke, but nah!

I have found that cat owners are often animal lovers in general, but many dog owners actually hate cats for some reason. Like they don't trust them or something. And it's not the cat box. Hell, picking up huge warm shits in your hands (barely protected by plastic bags) is not any nicer than scooping a litter box every few days. Dogs have plenty of foul smells & behaviors of their own.

But I actually agree with your initial point about selfishness. I would have a cat, but not a dog or a kid because I am too selfish. I don't want that responsibility. And I LOVE dogs.

KatSkrizzle said:

Shyra said:

No, it's not that we're more selfish. We just value our independence and time with ourselves. Cat people don't need hoards of people around them all the time. We're more serene and content with our own company. Whereas dog people seem to be more gregarious and outgoing. I love dogs, too and would have one if I didn't have 7 cats.

The beauty about cats is that you don't have to walk them. All they require is food, water, shelter, love and a clean litter box. They pretty much take care of themselves and most sleep at least 14-18 hours a day.

For someone who hates cats, you like them in your name!

[Edited 12/6/10 10:52am]

I know, right! Allergies! Allergies! My full name is Katharine, so I shortened it! You don't walk them, yes. But they shit in your house, regularly.

I've always been told be wary of a man that is a cat owner. He's more selfish and self centered.

Seven cats??? I would say you walked into the joke, but nah!

I always thought that single male cat owners were gay. How many single men to you know who have a cat and are not at least a little effeminate? I've known one man who had a cat, and yes, he was gay (but in the closet). Of course, I don't see a damned thing wrong with being gay and having a cat!

About cats shitting in the house regularly. Well, I shit in my house regularly, too! But I know what you're saying. Depending on a cat's diet, his shit can funk up a house big time. I'm very diligent about keeping the box clean because I can't stand the smell of cat piss or shit.

Shyra said:

KatSkrizzle said:

I know, right! Allergies! Allergies! My full name is Katharine, so I shortened it! You don't walk them, yes. But they shit in your house, regularly.

I've always been told be wary of a man that is a cat owner. He's more selfish and self centered.

Seven cats??? I would say you walked into the joke, but nah!

I always thought that single male cat owners were gay. How many single men to you know who have a cat and are not at least a little effeminate? I've known one man who had a cat, and yes, he was gay (but in the closet). Of course, I don't see a damned thing wrong with being gay and having a cat!

About cats shitting in the house regularly. Well, I shit in my house regularly, too! But I know what you're saying. Depending on a cat's diet, his shit can funk up a house big time. I'm very diligent about keeping the box clean because I can't stand the smell of cat piss or shit.

The Onion did have a great headline for a feature story:

"Like Boxes of Shit in Yo...et a Cat!"

Shyra said:

KatSkrizzle said:

I know, right! Allergies! Allergies! My full name is Katharine, so I shortened it! You don't walk them, yes. But they shit in your house, regularly.

I've always been told be wary of a man that is a cat owner. He's more selfish and self centered.

Seven cats??? I would say you walked into the joke, but nah!

I always thought that single male cat owners were gay. How many single men to you know who have a cat and are not at least a little effeminate? I've known one man who had a cat, and yes, he was gay (but in the closet). Of course, I don't see a damned thing wrong with being gay and having a cat!

About cats shitting in the house regularly. Well, I shit in my house regularly, too! But I know what you're saying. Depending on a cat's diet, his shit can funk up a house big time. I'm very diligent about keeping the box clean because I can't stand the smell of cat piss or shit.

I think you're on to something!

Shyra said:

KatSkrizzle said:

I know, right! Allergies! Allergies! My full name is Katharine, so I shortened it! You don't walk them, yes. But they shit in your house, regularly.

I've always been told be wary of a man that is a cat owner. He's more selfish and self centered.

Seven cats??? I would say you walked into the joke, but nah!

I always thought that single male cat owners were gay. How many single men to you know who have a cat and are not at least a little effeminate? I've known one man who had a cat, and yes, he was gay (but in the closet). Of course, I don't see a damned thing wrong with being gay and having a cat!

About cats shitting in the house regularly. Well, I shit in my house regularly, too! But I know what you're saying. Depending on a cat's diet, his shit can funk up a house big time. I'm very diligent about keeping the box clean because I can't stand the smell of cat piss or shit.

My ex had a cat when I met him. He was NOT effeminate in any way.

My youngest brother had one too....he is not gay or effeminate either.

I just like guys who like/have animals....doesn't matter if they have cats, dogs, or whatever. I just find them to be way better guys in general.

I can't deal with people who hate animals, or even love one kind but hate another.

PunkMistress said:

FauxReal said:

Pee on your bed first next time. Mark your territory

You are one of the underrated wits on this website.

Thank you.

My dog puked on my bed today. I washed my sheets yesterday, of course.

ZombieKitten said:

My dog puked on my bed today. I washed my sheets yesterday, of course.

That's another thing with cats; weekly puke. Most of the time it's hairballs, but sometimes I think it's because they've eaten too fast because what came back up was undigested kibble.

With my first cat, I was a little ignorant. When she started gagging, I swear I thought she was dying! That horrible sound she made just freaked me out. Now when I hear it, I try to get to the cat before it pukes on carpet or my bed, but trying to guide a puking cat to an appropriate puke spot is very hard to do without it spewing puke errywhere!

Shyra said:

ZombieKitten said:

My dog puked on my bed today. I washed my sheets yesterday, of course.

That's another thing with cats; weekly puke. Most of the time it's hairballs, but sometimes I think it's because they've eaten too fast because what came back up was undigested kibble.

With my first cat, I was a little ignorant. When she started gagging, I swear I thought she was dying! That horrible sound she made just freaked me out. Now when I hear it, I try to get to the cat before it pukes on carpet or my bed, but trying to guide a puking cat to an appropriate puke spot is very hard to do without it spewing puke errywhere!

yes, or you chase them around with a paper towel, trying to get it under their mouths.

We have a long-haired, and when she has a hairball (pretty often) she never seems to digest her food, but pukes it up whole. You practically could put it back in the bag & give it to her again.

That is just nasty.

Shyra said:

ZombieKitten said:

My dog puked on my bed today. I washed my sheets yesterday, of course.

That's another thing with cats; weekly puke. Most of the time it's hairballs, but sometimes I think it's because they've eaten too fast because what came back up was undigested kibble.

With my first cat, I was a little ignorant. When she started gagging, I swear I thought she was dying! That horrible sound she made just freaked me out. Now when I hear it, I try to get to the cat before it pukes on carpet or my bed, but trying to guide a puking cat to an appropriate puke spot is very hard to do without it spewing puke errywhere!

I have 3 cats and they don't go around puking.

JustErin said:

Shyra said:

That's another thing with cats; weekly puke. Most of the time it's hairballs, but sometimes I think it's because they've eaten too fast because what came back up was undigested kibble.

With my first cat, I was a little ignorant. When she started gagging, I swear I thought she was dying! That horrible sound she made just freaked me out. Now when I hear it, I try to get to the cat before it pukes on carpet or my bed, but trying to guide a puking cat to an appropriate puke spot is very hard to do without it spewing puke errywhere!

I have 3 cats and they don't go around puking.

well aren't THEY special?! just curious, are they long haired or shorthaired?

Even the shorthairs puke occasionally, but our longhaired pukes like a 16 year old private school girl

NDRU said:

JustErin said:

I have 3 cats and they don't go around puking.

well aren't THEY special?! just curious, are they long haired or shorthaired?

Even the shorthairs puke occasionally, but our longhaired pukes like a 16 year old private school girl

One is shorthaired, the other two are medium. They don't puke.

It's my dog that pukes.

JustErin said:

NDRU said:

well aren't THEY special?! just curious, are they long haired or shorthaired?

Even the shorthairs puke occasionally, but our longhaired pukes like a 16 year old private school girl

One is shorthaired, the other two are medium. They don't puke.

It's my dog that pukes.

schnoodles puke

ZombieKitten said:

JustErin said:

One is shorthaired, the other two are medium. They don't puke.

It's my dog that pukes.

schnoodles puke

Yours too? I thought mine was just a weirdo!

JustErin said:

ZombieKitten said:

schnoodles puke

Yours too? I thought mine was just a weirdo!

every now and again, not like every day and stuff. ALWAYS on the carpet or the bed in fact ALWAYS just after I washed the sheets

My poor baby, right now is under my chair it's a thunderstorm, and he won't leave my side!