dseann said:

Cerebus said:

I don't necessarily disagree with you regarding being sentenced as first time offenders. But you do understand that his sexual acts were streamed to the public without his knowledge or consent, right? Being gay and coming out by choice when it feels comfortable for you is a whole lot different than having your lifestyle made public via unknown online streaming. Whose to say that was even the way he would have lived the rest of his life? Also, being gay in America is still a huge issue for many people. Laws (of which there are actually very few) don't change that.

[Edited 9/30/10 11:15am]

Thus my saying they should be charged with "invasion of privacy". So much has been done to change the attitude towards gays around the world there was no need for Tyler to literally jump off a bridge. I'll stand by that statement. I live in a country where having gay intercourse can get one arrested, but personally I don't see what the big deal is about who someone chooses to fuck. It shouldn't be a big deal.

It shouldn't, you're absolutely right. But it still is.

Gay teenagers commit suicide at alarming rates. There have been numerous stories linking bullying in schools to this all over the news over the last few weeks. This isn't a new phenomenon, but it's being reported on more than ever before.

While I agree, no one should feel ashamed or be made to feel ashamed simply for being gay, that's just not the world we live in. Yet.

CarrieMpls said:

dseann said:

Thus my saying they should be charged with "invasion of privacy". So much has been done to change the attitude towards gays around the world there was no need for Tyler to literally jump off a bridge. I'll stand by that statement. I live in a country where having gay intercourse can get one arrested, but personally I don't see what the big deal is about who someone chooses to fuck. It shouldn't be a big deal.

It shouldn't, you're absolutely right. But it still is.

Gay teenagers commit suicide at alarming rates. There have been numerous stories linking bullying in schools to this all over the news over the last few weeks. This isn't a new phenomenon, but it's being reported on more than ever before.

While I agree, no one should feel ashamed or be made to feel ashamed simply for being gay, that's just not the world we live in. Yet.

I really feel there was something else going on there. The stream might have been the catalyst.

Folks can be such assholes.

dseann said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Exactly.

And to dseann, ya it's their first offense, but someones CHILD is DEAD because of it. A young boy. That is AWFUL. How in the world do you think his poor parents feel?? These kids were how old? I'm SURE they didn't think this kid was gonna jump off a bridge over it, but they know it was cruel of them to do that, and they did it to make a dick out of the kid. Hope they're happy. What kind of ppl do this shit. These kids are old enough to know better.

I am in no way trying to excuse the idiots(streamers) actions. They did act like total assholes. However, it is their first offense and the courts will treat them as first time offenders. I would be pissed and embarrassed if someone streamed me having sex with my girlfriend. But, I live in a world where the prevailing attitude about gays is "who gives a fuck". I don't think it was a good enough reason(if there is such a thing) to jump off a bridge.

Okay.

But you don't know this kids background. He could have been harrased through his highschool life for being gay. He could have harbored unnecessary feelings of guilt and shame for his sexual preference, something that was beyond his control. This was just the straw that broke the camels back.

No, you most likely would not jump off a bridge for a video of you having sex with your girlfriend being streamed. Even though you may be embarrased about it, your buddys would peopbably commend you on it, and you probably werent made fun of your whole life for fucking women.

dseann said:

Cerebus said:

I don't necessarily disagree with you regarding being sentenced as first time offenders. But you do understand that his sexual acts were streamed to the public without his knowledge or consent, right? Being gay and coming out by choice when it feels comfortable for you is a whole lot different than having your lifestyle made public via unknown online streaming. Whose to say that was even the way he would have lived the rest of his life? Also, being gay in America is still a huge issue for many people. Laws (of which there are actually very few) don't change that.

[Edited 9/30/10 11:15am]

Thus my saying they should be charged with "invasion of privacy". So much has been done to change the attitude towards gays around the world there was no need for Tyler to literally jump off a bridge. I'll stand by that statement. I live in a country where having gay intercourse can get one arrested, but personally I don't see what the big deal is about who someone chooses to fuck. It shouldn't be a big deal.

Wow. I don't think you're getting it. I'm sure there are hetero people at that age who would be stressed enough that they'd jump off a bridge if they found out their sex life was being streamed to the public unbeknownst to them. It's a much bigger deal than you're making of it. I still don't disagree with you regarding the sentencing. They should be sentenced as first time offenders for invasion of privacy and whatever laws apply to the illegal distribution of a stolen sexaul image (I'm sure they exist in better wording than I just used). But I completely disagree with you regarding how this could affect someones state of mind. It holds a HUGE importance in that regard for most people.

Also, I could not possibly care less about who someone chooses to fuck. But how you and I see it is not the issue at hand. You've made the point yourself, actually. In your country you can be arrested for having gay intercourse. To think that any law in America suddenly made all Americans give the big thumbs up to all gay and lesbian people is ludicrous. It didn't. Not even close.

TotalANXiousNESS said:

dseann said:

I am in no way trying to excuse the idiots(streamers) actions. They did act like total assholes. However, it is their first offense and the courts will treat them as first time offenders. I would be pissed and embarrassed if someone streamed me having sex with my girlfriend. But, I live in a world where the prevailing attitude about gays is "who gives a fuck". I don't think it was a good enough reason(if there is such a thing) to jump off a bridge.

Okay.

But you don't know this kids background. He could have been harrased through his highschool life for being gay. He could have harbored unnecessary feelings of guilt and shame for his sexual preference, something that was beyond his control. This was just the straw that broke the camels back.

No, you most likely would not jump off a bridge for a video of you having sex with your girlfriend being streamed. Even though you may be embarrased about it, your buddys would peopbably commend you on it, and you probably werent made fun of your whole life for fucking women.

you sound so LUCID right now

TotalANXiousNESS said:

dseann said:

I am in no way trying to excuse the idiots(streamers) actions. They did act like total assholes. However, it is their first offense and the courts will treat them as first time offenders. I would be pissed and embarrassed if someone streamed me having sex with my girlfriend. But, I live in a world where the prevailing attitude about gays is "who gives a fuck". I don't think it was a good enough reason(if there is such a thing) to jump off a bridge.

Okay.

But you don't know this kids background. He could have been harrased through his highschool life for being gay. He could have harbored unnecessary feelings of guilt and shame for his sexual preference, something that was beyond his control. This was just the straw that broke the camels back.

No, you most likely would not jump off a bridge for a video of you having sex with your girlfriend being streamed. Even though you may be embarrased about it, your buddys would peopbably commend you on it, and you probably werent made fun of your whole life for fucking women.

Maybe I wouldn't want my little 3 inch member plastered all over the world wide web.

Cerebus said:

dseann said:

Thus my saying they should be charged with "invasion of privacy". So much has been done to change the attitude towards gays around the world there was no need for Tyler to literally jump off a bridge. I'll stand by that statement. I live in a country where having gay intercourse can get one arrested, but personally I don't see what the big deal is about who someone chooses to fuck. It shouldn't be a big deal.

Wow. I don't think you're getting it. I'm sure there are hetero people at that age who would be stressed enough that they'd jump off a bridge if they found out their sex life was being streamed to the public unbeknownst to them. It's a much bigger deal than you're making of it. I still don't disagree with you regarding the sentencing. They should be sentenced as first time offenders for invasion of privacy and whatever laws apply to the illegal distribution of a stolen sexaul image (I'm sure they exist in better wording than I just used). But I completely disagree with you regarding how this could affect someones state of mind. It holds a HUGE importance in that regard for most people.

Also, I could not possibly care less about who someone chooses to fuck. But how you and I see it is not the issue at hand. You've made the point yourself, actually. In your country you can be arrested for having gay intercourse. To think that any law in America suddenly made all Americans give the big thumbs up to all gay and lesbian people is ludicrous. It didn't. Not even close.

My point is that most Americans do give the big thumbs up to gays despite the laws of the land.

And my country is America by the way, I'm just living in Antigua right now. I am an American.

dseann said:

Cerebus said:

Wow. I don't think you're getting it. I'm sure there are hetero people at that age who would be stressed enough that they'd jump off a bridge if they found out their sex life was being streamed to the public unbeknownst to them. It's a much bigger deal than you're making of it. I still don't disagree with you regarding the sentencing. They should be sentenced as first time offenders for invasion of privacy and whatever laws apply to the illegal distribution of a stolen sexaul image (I'm sure they exist in better wording than I just used). But I completely disagree with you regarding how this could affect someones state of mind. It holds a HUGE importance in that regard for most people.

Also, I could not possibly care less about who someone chooses to fuck. But how you and I see it is not the issue at hand. You've made the point yourself, actually. In your country you can be arrested for having gay intercourse. To think that any law in America suddenly made all Americans give the big thumbs up to all gay and lesbian people is ludicrous. It didn't. Not even close.

My point is that most Americans do give the big thumbs up to gays despite the laws of the land.

And my country is America by the way, I'm just living in Antigua right now. I am an American.

When it comes to marriage, gays get the thumbs down from most Americans.

dseann said:

Cerebus said:

Wow. I don't think you're getting it. I'm sure there are hetero people at that age who would be stressed enough that they'd jump off a bridge if they found out their sex life was being streamed to the public unbeknownst to them. It's a much bigger deal than you're making of it. I still don't disagree with you regarding the sentencing. They should be sentenced as first time offenders for invasion of privacy and whatever laws apply to the illegal distribution of a stolen sexaul image (I'm sure they exist in better wording than I just used). But I completely disagree with you regarding how this could affect someones state of mind. It holds a HUGE importance in that regard for most people.

Also, I could not possibly care less about who someone chooses to fuck. But how you and I see it is not the issue at hand. You've made the point yourself, actually. In your country you can be arrested for having gay intercourse. To think that any law in America suddenly made all Americans give the big thumbs up to all gay and lesbian people is ludicrous. It didn't. Not even close.

My point is that most Americans do give the big thumbs up to gays despite the laws of the land.

And my country is America by the way, I'm just living in Antigua right now. I am an American.

Actually, that wasn't your point just a couple posts ago. But I'm really no longer interested in discussing this. Your entitled to your opinion and I respect that fact that we were able to discuss this peacefully. But your views on what affects other peoples mental states and the extent to which even SMALL incidents can have GREAT consequences is rather unbelievable and wholey inaccurate.

Sad, sad, sad.

I just read this elsewhere.

CHIC0 said:

and i bet nothing more than a slap on the hand is what the people who posted it will get. i'm hearing the poor excuse that, that they didn't 'kill" the guy. but what they did cause emotional distress. same fucking thing in this case if you ask me. not only should they go to jail, they should have their sexual encounters posted for all to see. maybe they'd know what it feels like. or maybe they won't. this goes to show how we value one another...we don't. it's a direct reflection on the world and how most people have a sense of entitlement for whatever they want to do. he wasn't the only one who jumped off that bridge. he took a part of every one of us.

Co-sign

dseann said:

CHIC0 said:

and i bet nothing more than a slap on the hand is what the people who posted it will get. i'm hearing the poor excuse that, that they didn't 'kill" the guy. but what they did cause emotional distress. same fucking thing in this case if you ask me. not only should they go to jail, they should have their sexual encounters posted for all to see. maybe they'd know what it feels like. or maybe they won't. this goes to show how we value one another...we don't. it's a direct reflection on the world and how most people have a sense of entitlement for whatever they want to do. he wasn't the only one who jumped off that bridge. he took a part of every one of us.

I do believe they(the streamers) should be charged for "invasion of privacy" but nothing beyond that. If it's their first offense then they should be receive a sentence worthy of them committing a first offenst i.e. probation and some community service.

In this day and age no one should have to jump off a bridge because he/she is gay. There was something else going on there. I would hate to believe he(Tyler) was ashamed of being gay. Too many gay women and men have been brutalized or risked being brualized to change attitudes if not laws about gay people in America for people to be jumping off bridges because they're gay.

Disagree.

dseann said:

Cerebus said:

I don't necessarily disagree with you regarding being sentenced as first time offenders. But you do understand that his sexual acts were streamed to the public without his knowledge or consent, right? Being gay and coming out by choice when it feels comfortable for you is a whole lot different than having your lifestyle made public via unknown online streaming. Whose to say that was even the way he would have lived the rest of his life? Also, being gay in America is still a huge issue for many people. Laws (of which there are actually very few) don't change that.

[Edited 9/30/10 11:15am]

Thus my saying they should be charged with "invasion of privacy". So much has been done to change the attitude towards gays around the world there was no need for Tyler to literally jump off a bridge. I'll stand by that statement. I live in a country where having gay intercourse can get one arrested, but personally I don't see what the big deal is about who someone chooses to fuck. It shouldn't be a big deal.

Obviously enough hasn't been done where they think it's "fun" to post it and stream it.

Obviously the kid wasn't out, and even if he was, that's a gross violation of another human being.

I don't care if you don't change your attitude. You're allowed to be wrong.

dseann said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Exactly.

And to dseann, ya it's their first offense, but someones CHILD is DEAD because of it. A young boy. That is AWFUL. How in the world do you think his poor parents feel?? These kids were how old? I'm SURE they didn't think this kid was gonna jump off a bridge over it, but they know it was cruel of them to do that, and they did it to make a dick out of the kid. Hope they're happy. What kind of ppl do this shit. These kids are old enough to know better.

I am in no way trying to excuse the idiots(streamers) actions. They did act like total assholes. However, it is their first offense and the courts will treat them as first time offenders. I would be pissed and embarrassed if someone streamed me having sex with my girlfriend. But, I live in a world where the prevailing attitude about gays is "who gives a fuck". I don't think it was a good enough reason(if there is such a thing) to jump off a bridge.

But you aren't him are you?

And you can't empathize with him either.

Isn't pissed and embarrassed enough?

Don't you think he feels he failed his parents and others?

dseann said:

CarrieMpls said:

It shouldn't, you're absolutely right. But it still is.

Gay teenagers commit suicide at alarming rates. There have been numerous stories linking bullying in schools to this all over the news over the last few weeks. This isn't a new phenomenon, but it's being reported on more than ever before.

While I agree, no one should feel ashamed or be made to feel ashamed simply for being gay, that's just not the world we live in. Yet.

I really feel there was something else going on there. The stream might have been the catalyst.

Is that your excuse?

And if there wasn't I doubt that you'd feel any differently.

Even if it was just a catalyst it was enough.

You seem to be suggesting that no one commits suicide simply because they are gay?

You are wrong on that one . . . .

SUPRMAN said:

dseann said:

I am in no way trying to excuse the idiots(streamers) actions. They did act like total assholes. However, it is their first offense and the courts will treat them as first time offenders. I would be pissed and embarrassed if someone streamed me having sex with my girlfriend. But, I live in a world where the prevailing attitude about gays is "who gives a fuck". I don't think it was a good enough reason(if there is such a thing) to jump off a bridge.

But you aren't him are you?

And you can't empathize with him either.

Isn't pissed and embarrassed enough?

Don't you think he feels he failed his parents and others?

Co-sign. I know that we'd like to think things are better, and in some ways they are, but as one who was teased throughout grade school, I can tell you that it can seem pretty hopeless at times.

=0P

Those two people are low-down and evil.

For anyone to feel -"what's the big deal" - is to pretend that people of the Gay & Lesbian community still don't face bigotry, humiliation, and violence. As the young lady mentioned in the article, if Mr. Clementi had been with a woman, those two idiots would have never bothered to video tape him and his partner. People still struggle with this concept just because someone doesn't look like you, talk like you, dress like you, act like, or love like you, doesn't give you the right to violate a persons physically and/or emotionally! Why is this so hard to understand? I hope those two fools are given the max on each count but I doubt it.

My sympathise to his family and friends, heartbreaking.

SUPRMAN said:

dseann said:

I really feel there was something else going on there. The stream might have been the catalyst.

Is that your excuse?

And if there wasn't I doubt that you'd feel any differently.

Even if it was just a catalyst it was enough.

You seem to be suggesting that no one commits suicide simply because they are gay?

You are wrong on that one . . . .

And apparently, the suicides are on the rise: four happened this month alone.

http://ellen.warnerbros.com/2010/09/its_time_to_end_teenage_bullying_0930.php

=0P

And one more thing: 50 cent tweets about this:

[img:$uid]http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef013487dfbe5e970c-pi[/img:$uid]

=0P

So sad. RIP

BUT he made the wrong choice... A LOT of amateur sex videos are leaked everyday and the people involved get on with their lives...with the suicide, the boy has posthumously received the attention he feared the most in the first place; a sad, huge irony ...

JoeTyler said:

So sad. RIP

BUT he made the wrong choice... A LOT of amateur sex videos are leaked everyday and the people involved get on with their lives...with the suicide, the boy has posthumously received the attention he feared the most in the first place; a sad, huge irony ...

Joe: Tyler Clementi did not film the act. He asked to have the room to himself, and the roommate set up the video taping without Tyler or the other man's knowledge. It was filmed without his consent, and distributed without his consent. Tyler did nothing wrong here.

=0P

Hero0101 said:

JoeTyler said:

So sad. RIP

BUT he made the wrong choice... A LOT of amateur sex videos are leaked everyday and the people involved get on with their lives...with the suicide, the boy has posthumously received the attention he feared the most in the first place; a sad, huge irony ...

Joe: Tyler Clementi did not film the act. He asked to have the room to himself, and the roommate set up the video taping without Tyler or the other man's knowledge. It was filmed without his consent, and distributed without his consent. Tyler did nothing wrong here.

=0P

No no, you misunderstood me I meant: the wrong choice was the suicide; of course, Tyler was upset, scared and extremely embarrassed, he is the victim of the story, but as I've said, his story has received national interest AFTER the suicide, not before...

that's why I think the suicide was both excessive AND the worst idea... A leaked sex tape is embarrassing enough, but not the end of the world...

JoeTyler said:

A leaked sex tape is embarrassing enough, but not the end of the world...

All out of context if you don't take into consideration the virtual likelyhood that he had been harrassed his whole life, not just this one time.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

JoeTyler said:

A leaked sex tape is embarrassing enough, but not the end of the world...

All out of context if you don't take into consideration the virtual likelyhood that he had been harrassed his whole life, not just this one time.

his whole life? a change of college would have been enough...as I've said, this has only made the national news after his suicide, not after

Suicide should always be the last option (the worst option, actually)

I hope Clementi's sex partner also presses charges/files suit against Ravi and Wei. His privacy, too, was invaded.

JoeTyler said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

All out of context if you don't take into consideration the virtual likelyhood that he had been harrassed his whole life, not just this one time.

his whole life? a change of college would have been enough...as I've said, this has only made the national news after his suicide, not after

Suicide should always be the last option (the worst option, actually)

of course it should. In many parts of this country it's still not safe for gay youth.

JoeTyler said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

All out of context if you don't take into consideration the virtual likelyhood that he had been harrassed his whole life, not just this one time.

his whole life? a change of college would have been enough...as I've said, this has only made the national news after his suicide, not after

Suicide should always be the last option (the worst option, actually)

in your opinion.

you can't tell what other people feel inside.

Hero0101 said:

And one more thing: 50 cent tweets about this:

[img:$uid]http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef013487dfbe5e970c-pi[/img:$uid]

=0P

Totally out of context.

http://www.huffingtonpost...45797.html

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