whenever I think of JustErin up there in the frozen North (Canada) I see...

FauxReal said:

Cerebus said:

Dude. Just swat that beasty with a broom and go get you some grub!

I'm kind of frightened by rats, bats, birds, raccoons...I'm sure there's more.

Must be nice living in Australia for ZK. The animals are either adorable or will kill you before you even notice you're bitten.

we have rats too, they used to live INSIDE the house before I worked out (with Erin's help) how to block they way they were coming in AND our schnoodle is a great ratter

in the burbs where I live, the only animals I ever see are cats and dogs and blackbirds and sparrows oh, and ducks

so I just returned in time for everyone else to piss off

and I was just going to add that even though I'm 100% swedish born and bred, all our family names are french

RenHoek said:

whenever I think of JustErin up there in the frozen North (Canada) I see...

Nice!

Cerebus said:

JustErin said:

The tall one, and yes...yes, I am.

Awesome! Your son will think you're the coolest person on Earth!

Ack! Gotta run to Wal-Mart real quick (I hate even saying that). Out of blank DVDs. Catch y'all in a bit.

2 years ago, we went as these two.

FauxReal said:

RenHoek said:

whenever I think of JustErin up there in the frozen North (Canada) I see...

Nice!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Cerebus said:

robertlove said:

Sit down and write a letter....oh come on now! Who does that?

but i think the social networking increases your social life, catching up with people you lost track with, finding new people who are friends of your friends, keeping up with what everybody is doing...i even think i read in a study social networking increases your social life. Doesn't mean you stay behnd your computer all the time.

It increases your online social life. It's a time suck. I'd be very interested in seeing a study that has proven social networking leads to people being more social in the real world.

And I write letters. Very long ones. A couple of my friends and I actually keep all of them, too. We've each got a box with all the letters we've remembered to toss into it. So when we're old and grey we can sit down with each other and go over our letters, like memories.

Nah, it bridges into a social life in the real world. I get invited out and to parties and events way more than I ever did before, and have connected with all kinds of new people and made friendships grow through the tool of social networking. People who criticize it don't want to spend the time, and they tend to feel self-conscious and foolish -- but then they don't understand the rewards either.

heartbeatocean said:

Cerebus said:

It increases your online social life. It's a time suck. I'd be very interested in seeing a study that has proven social networking leads to people being more social in the real world.

And I write letters. Very long ones. A couple of my friends and I actually keep all of them, too. We've each got a box with all the letters we've remembered to toss into it. So when we're old and grey we can sit down with each other and go over our letters, like memories.

Nah, it bridges into a social life in the real world. I get invited out and to parties and events way more than I ever did before, and have connected with all kinds of new people and made friendships grow through the tool of social networking. People who criticize it don't want to spend the time, and they tend to feel self-conscious and foolish -- but then they don't understand the rewards either.

Right. Exactly. I don't want to waste my time with something I can easily accomplish otherwise. But why would I feel self-conscious or foolish about anything relating to FaceBook? And rewards? What rewards? It's just life. If it can't be rewarding without FaceBook something is wrong. You totally lost me with all that. Also, I'm glad a few of you use FaceBook to actually go out and be social. I don't believe that's the norm. And how many times a day do you check it or change your status?

JustErin said:

Cerebus said:

Awesome! Your son will think you're the coolest person on Earth!

Ack! Gotta run to Wal-Mart real quick (I hate even saying that). Out of blank DVDs. Catch y'all in a bit.

2 years ago, we went as these two.

Yeah, but he was too young for that to really count. He's more aware of what's going on now. And he might actually remember it. Besides that, Mom wearing tighty whities in public is just a whole different level.

ZombieKitten said:

so I just returned in time for everyone else to piss off

and I was just going to add that even though I'm 100% swedish born and bred, all our family names are french

I didn't piss off anywhere. For better or worse, Wal-Mart is SUPER close.

And that is kinda strange, the name thing. I'm figuring your family must have moved to Sweden from France. I forgot you're not native to Australia, too.

Cerebus said:

ZombieKitten said:

so I just returned in time for everyone else to piss off

and I was just going to add that even though I'm 100% swedish born and bred, all our family names are french

I didn't piss off anywhere. For better or worse, Wal-Mart is SUPER close.

And that is kinda strange, the name thing. I'm figuring your family must have moved to Sweden from France. I forgot you're not native to Australia, too.

I know on my mother's side

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Masreliez

mid 1700s

dunno about my dad's side, they are country bumpkins

Cerebus said:

heartbeatocean said:

Nah, it bridges into a social life in the real world. I get invited out and to parties and events way more than I ever did before, and have connected with all kinds of new people and made friendships grow through the tool of social networking. People who criticize it don't want to spend the time, and they tend to feel self-conscious and foolish -- but then they don't understand the rewards either.

Right. Exactly. I don't want to waste my time with something I can easily accomplish otherwise. But why would I feel self-conscious or foolish about anything relating to FaceBook? And rewards? What rewards? It's just life. If it can't be rewarding without FaceBook something is wrong. You totally lost me with all that. Also, I'm glad a few of you use FaceBook to actually go out and be social. I don't believe that's the norm. And how many times a day do you check it or change your status?

It works for some, doesn't work for others. Seems I heard you say somewhere that everyone is different. For me, it's an amazing tool to connect and build friendships. I don't have opportunities to bump into or call most of my friends on facebook, because we were friends in a different era of life that faded and/or were off doing our lives and not very close. It energizes these more fragile relationships and creates real connections out of them. People I've lost touch with, I'm now collaborating on artistic projects with, we're now hanging out, meeting and talking about deep things, getting together to go to movies. I didn't know where they were before, and now have built many active friendships through this tool. I prefer Facebook to prince.org primarily because I spent years on this site, developed long-distance relationships and had very little opportunity to translate them into real life except in very fleeting ways.

A LOT of my friends use it to actively socialize in real life. A lot of them just lurk and never say anything or connect at all. Those people annoy me. Why be on it if you're never going to relate to anyone? And a lot of people seem to have disdain for it packed with all kinds of judgments, many times about themselves on it, which in my experience don't really hold water.

I never said my or anyone's life couldn't be rewarding without facebook. I said there are rewards if you participate. For me, at least. Besides, I despise telephones.

I check my status a lot. I change it once every couple days. How much time do you spend on the org? I find it odd having this conversation with someone who seems to post a lot on the org.

I spend a lot of time on the Org, but mostly while I'm doing three or four things online or on my PC at once. And I already explained why I think it's different. I don't have to be part of your social network to participate in any conversation on the Org. It's here for everyone to be a part of. Explained why I don't like FaceBook or any other social networking sites, too. I'm kind of over it now. Rather talk about Vikings and stuff.

Edited because I wrote on twice instead of or and then on.

[Edited 9/14/10 23:08pm]

ZombieKitten said:

Cerebus said:

I didn't piss off anywhere. For better or worse, Wal-Mart is SUPER close.

And that is kinda strange, the name thing. I'm figuring your family must have moved to Sweden from France. I forgot you're not native to Australia, too.

I know on my mother's side

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Masreliez

mid 1700s

dunno about my dad's side, they are country bumpkins

A painter and a teacher.

Ain't nothin' wrong with bein' a country bumpkin'. I've had more than a couple of them in my family along the way.

Cerebus said:

heartbeatocean said:

Nah, it bridges into a social life in the real world. I get invited out and to parties and events way more than I ever did before, and have connected with all kinds of new people and made friendships grow through the tool of social networking. People who criticize it don't want to spend the time, and they tend to feel self-conscious and foolish -- but then they don't understand the rewards either.

Right. Exactly. I don't want to waste my time with something I can easily accomplish otherwise. But why would I feel self-conscious or foolish about anything relating to FaceBook? And rewards? What rewards? It's just life. If it can't be rewarding without FaceBook something is wrong. You totally lost me with all that. Also, I'm glad a few of you use FaceBook to actually go out and be social. I don't believe that's the norm. And how many times a day do you check it or change your status?

Oddly enough I have never changed my status on Facebook. Not the status box, the say something about yourself box. None of it. Never bothered putting anything in either one.

I never really wanted an account but then friends started having babies and not telling me and when I would say I didn't know they were expecting, they'd say well why aren't you on Facebook. So sadly it has kind of replaced phone calls and e-mail in my circles.My friend was suprised and appreciative though when I texted him birthday wishes rather than use facebook. It meant more he said, that I didn't use the convenience of Facebook. Which is good because that was my intent.

The point about social events is true. I guess I am a little more aware of them now.

Cerebus said:

I spend a lot of time on the Org, but mostly while I'm doing three or four things online on on my PC at once. And I already explained why I think it's different. I don't have to be part of your social network to participate in any conversation on the Org. It's here for everyone to be a part of. Explained why I don't like FaceBook or any other social networking sites, too. I'm kind of over it now. Rather talk about Vikings and stuff.

Yeah this just got serious again. What's that all about?

I hate talking on the phone, I hate when my sister drunk dials me

I prefer leaving her a note on facebook and looking at her holiday snaps there

I have a couple of mates who are on the same wavelength with me humourwise, and since geographical distance cramps our style, we can keep in touch daily, joking around and posting silly pics that strike our fancy, constant teasing etc

FauxReal said:

I never really wanted an account but then friends started having babies and not telling me and when I would say I didn't know they were expecting, they'd say well why aren't you on Facebook. So sadly it has kind of replaced phone calls and e-mail in my circles.My friend was suprised and appreciative though when I texted him birthday wishes rather than use facebook. It meant more he said, that I didn't use the convenience of Facebook. Which is good because that was my intent.

The point about social events is true. I guess I am a little more aware of them now.

You just nailed the two points I've been trying to make.

The communicative aspect of facebook lacks intimacy and, imo, reality. It's a false sense of connecting. I just refuse to do it. All my friends have not only accepted it, but now they don't even trip on it. In fact I often get a couple phone calls asking me if so-and-so called me about this or that yet, "just wanted to be sure you knew what was going on".

It does have it's uses in regards to business and promoting social gatherings.

Cerebus said:

ZombieKitten said:

I know on my mother's side

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Masreliez

mid 1700s

dunno about my dad's side, they are country bumpkins

A painter and a teacher.

Ain't nothin' wrong with bein' a country bumpkin'. I've had more than a couple of them in my family along the way.

that guy did some of the interiors for that castle I recommended to Erin a couple of pages ago

http://www.royalcourt.se/...01723.html

ZombieKitten said:

I hate talking on the phone, I hate when my sister drunk dials me

I prefer leaving her a note on facebook and looking at her holiday snaps there

I have a couple of mates who are on the same wavelength with me humourwise, and since geographical distance cramps our style, we can keep in touch daily, joking around and posting silly pics that strike our fancy, constant teasing etc

I'm not saying it doesn't work for some people. I don't live my life by absolutes. But I have far more "friends" who have disappeared into their online world than those that have become more social from it. Again, this may have something to do with my view on what constitutes friendship and intimacy. I understand that and I'm at peace with it. But I'll never be convinced that I "need" to participate in one of those things ever again. MySpace was the last and only one.

Aaaaaayeah! I am so saving that!

FauxReal said:

ZombieKitten said:

Cerebus said:

A painter and a teacher.

Ain't nothin' wrong with bein' a country bumpkin'. I've had more than a couple of them in my family along the way.

that guy did some of the interiors for that castle I recommended to Erin a couple of pages ago

http://www.royalcourt.se/...01723.html

I'd already followed the link from his personal Wiki to the page on this place. http://en.wikipedia.org/w...s_Pavilion Very beautiful.

Cerebus said:

ZombieKitten said:

I hate talking on the phone, I hate when my sister drunk dials me

I prefer leaving her a note on facebook and looking at her holiday snaps there

I have a couple of mates who are on the same wavelength with me humourwise, and since geographical distance cramps our style, we can keep in touch daily, joking around and posting silly pics that strike our fancy, constant teasing etc

I'm not saying it doesn't work for some people. I don't live my life by absolutes. But I have far more "friends" who have disappeared into their online world than those that have become more social from it. Again, this may have something to do with my view on what constitutes friendship and intimacy. I understand that and I'm at peace with it. But I'll never be convinced that I "need" to participate in one of those things ever again. MySpace was the last and only one.

I also keep up to date with a whole bunch of relatives back home - it's great! Instead of listening to my mum tell my cousin got married, I can tell her "oh yeah I saw the wedding photos!" or if we need extras for our video clips, we can have 20 folks roll up from one post on facebook.

Cerebus said:

ZombieKitten said:

that guy did some of the interiors for that castle I recommended to Erin a couple of pages ago

http://www.royalcourt.se/...01723.html

I'd already followed the link from his personal Wiki to the page on this place. http://en.wikipedia.org/w...s_Pavilion Very beautiful.

sorry, my mistake, it's a different castle

Cerebus said:

FauxReal said:

I never really wanted an account but then friends started having babies and not telling me and when I would say I didn't know they were expecting, they'd say well why aren't you on Facebook. So sadly it has kind of replaced phone calls and e-mail in my circles.My friend was suprised and appreciative though when I texted him birthday wishes rather than use facebook. It meant more he said, that I didn't use the convenience of Facebook. Which is good because that was my intent.

The point about social events is true. I guess I am a little more aware of them now.

You just nailed the two points I've been trying to make.

The communicative aspect of facebook lacks intimacy and, imo, reality. It's a false sense of connecting. I just refuse to do it. All my friends have not only accepted it, but now they don't even trip on it. In fact I often get a couple phone calls asking me if so-and-so called me about this or that yet, "just wanted to be sure you knew what was going on".

It does have it's uses in regards to business and promoting social gatherings.

Yeah now that my daughter lives elsewhere and I don't get to take too many pictures of her I have considered closing my account. I mostly did it to share pictures and see pictures of friends. But seriously, I can't remember the last time a friend that didn't live in the area called me. Used to happen all the time. Now it's little two sentence dialogues on Facebook from time to time, most of it watered down by copied and pasted words of wisdom.

Though I have an account, I view it more along the lines that you do. When I finally got an account everyone was surprised because I was very much against it. Still kind of am, though I get how for some it would be useful. For me it's been the opposite. It's created distance. And if that's the case I don't see the need for me to keep it other than people's feelings getting hurt if they thing I unfriended them

FauxReal said:

Cerebus said:

I spend a lot of time on the Org, but mostly while I'm doing three or four things online on on my PC at once. And I already explained why I think it's different. I don't have to be part of your social network to participate in any conversation on the Org. It's here for everyone to be a part of. Explained why I don't like FaceBook or any other social networking sites, too. I'm kind of over it now. Rather talk about Vikings and stuff.

Yeah this just got serious again. What's that all about?

Sorry man. I'll say no more. I actually think I'm about to be taking a look at that SOTT footage that turned up on ebay. It's a shit ton of single camera shots (Sheila, Bonnie, Prince, Cat) on several takes of a few songs. About four hours worth, evidently.

ZombieKitten said:

Cerebus said:

I'd already followed the link from his personal Wiki to the page on this place. http://en.wikipedia.org/w...s_Pavilion Very beautiful.

sorry, my mistake, it's a different castle

Well... they're both beautiful then!

Cerebus said:

FauxReal said:

Yeah this just got serious again. What's that all about?

Sorry man. I'll say no more. I actually think I'm about to be taking a look at that SOTT footage that turned up on ebay. It's a shit ton of single camera shots (Sheila, Bonnie, Prince, Cat) on several takes of a few songs. About four hours worth, evidently.

I was joking, you can talk about Facebook, don't let me stop you. In fact, I joined in.

FauxReal said:

Cerebus said:

Sorry man. I'll say no more. I actually think I'm about to be taking a look at that SOTT footage that turned up on ebay. It's a shit ton of single camera shots (Sheila, Bonnie, Prince, Cat) on several takes of a few songs. About four hours worth, evidently.

I was joking, you can talk about Facebook, don't let me stop you. In fact, I joined in.

I saw that and again I totally agree. "Why did you unfriend me?" Puh-lease mf! Did I call you? Did I attend your party? Didn't we go to dinner last week? But we are definitely in the minority in this regard. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to change any time soon. Oh well, fewer people takin' up my favorite outdoor spots is fine with me.