JustErin said:

And you are totally missing the point FauxReal was making.

FauxReal DOES NOT HAVE A VALID POINT! This poster refuses to understand that India isn't like Western countries. The system is completely different over there. FauxReal also didn't watch the video because that person keeps asking questions that are answered in the video. That's not a very bright thing to do.

jeami said:

JustErin said:

And you are totally missing the point FauxReal was making.

FauxReal DOES NOT HAVE A VALID POINT! This poster refuses to understand that India isn't like Western countries. The system is completely different over there. FauxReal also didn't watch the video because that person keeps asking questions that are answered in the video. That's not a very bright thing to do.

jeami, he has never once stated that India is like a Western country nor has he ever said that he was siding with the husband. He simply stated that he does not agree with someone being beaten and forced into a marriage. It does not matter what the culture is or that it is different than his. To him, (and to me) it doesn't make what they did ok...no matter what their beliefs are.

jeami said:

JustErin said:

And you are totally missing the point FauxReal was making.

FauxReal DOES NOT HAVE A VALID POINT! This poster refuses to understand that India isn't like Western countries. The system is completely different over there. FauxReal also didn't watch the video because that person keeps asking questions that are answered in the video. That's not a very bright thing to do.

I've actually watched the video twice. (And stating something in all caps doesn't make it magically true.) Regardless of how you feel about me personally, that doesn't make it okay to generalize all people from the West and also assume you know more about their individual personal beliefs than you ever will.

@ Erin, thanks for trying to clarify for him/her.

JustErin said:

He simply stated that he does not agree with someone being beaten and forced into a marriage.

I'm still calling bullshit on this one. I've already stated that vigilante groups were created because the govt. is unstable. The same thing happened in South Africa. If someone is guilty, then they deserve to be punished. The vigilante groups defend themselves because the govt. won't do it. It's not that hard to understand. I swear, some of the people on this board refuse to understand that not everybody lives in place where the govt. will help them get justice when they need it. I really believe that some of you don't want to understand this situation. [Snip - luv4u]

[Edited 8/21/10 13:32pm]

jeami said:

JustErin said:

He simply stated that he does not agree with someone being beaten and forced into a marriage.

I'm still calling bullshit on this one. I've already stated that vigilante groups were created because the govt. is unstable. The same thing happened in South Africa. If someone is guilty, then they deserve to be punished. The vigilante groups defend themselves because the govt. won't do it. It's not that hard to understand. I swear, some of the people on this board refuse to understand that not everybody lives in place where the govt. will help them get justice when they need it.

Call it all you want. Hope the two of you have a great conversation.

FauxReal said:

Call it all you want. Hope the two of you have a great conversation.

You're not funny at all. You're just acting like a brat because you don't have a valid, insightful opinon.

jeami said:

JustErin said:

He simply stated that he does not agree with someone being beaten and forced into a marriage.

I'm still calling bullshit on this one. I've already stated that vigilante groups were created because the govt. is unstable. The same thing happened in South Africa. If someone is guilty, then they deserve to be punished. The vigilante groups defend themselves because the govt. won't do it. It's not that hard to understand. I swear, some of the people on this board refuse to understand that not everybody lives in place where the govt. will help them get justice when they need it. I really believe that some of you don't want to understand this situation. [Snip - luv4u]

[Edited 8/21/10 13:32pm]

Considering a good chunk my family is from India, comments like this just make you look like a damn fool.

And fauxreal isn't white, so strike two.

But go on with your bad self, and your one time Indian roomie.

jeami said:

FauxReal said:

Call it all you want. Hope the two of you have a great conversation.

You're not funny at all. You're just acting like a brat because you don't have a valid, insightful opinon.

No, I'm just tired of trying to explain to you what I mean only for you to throw a tantrum full of all the bad words you learned in the schoolyard yesterday while trying to tell me what I mean and believe. I figured maybe if I posted pretty pictures you could relate better.

My point is neither valid nor insightful by nothing more than your own (repeated) assertion. And you know what...I can live with that. Assert away.

jeami said:

No offense, but this comment makes you sound like an ignorant, prejudice, typical White Westerner.

jeami said:

Please go listen to the clip because you're making yourself look like a stupid, typical, White Westerner

jeami said:

Then again, that type of attitude is typical for Whites that live in Western societies, so I guess I can't expect much.

And it's funny that you would call anyone prejudiced given these gems of yours. And that's not even all of them.

JustErin said:

jeami said:

I'm still calling bullshit on this one. I've already stated that vigilante groups were created because the govt. is unstable. The same thing happened in South Africa. If someone is guilty, then they deserve to be punished. The vigilante groups defend themselves because the govt. won't do it. It's not that hard to understand. I swear, some of the people on this board refuse to understand that not everybody lives in place where the govt. will help them get justice when they need it. I really believe that some of you don't want to understand this situation. [Snip - luv4u]

[Edited 8/21/10 13:32pm]

Considering a good chunk my family is from India, comments like this just make you look like a damn fool.

And fauxreal isn't white, so strike two.

But go on with your bad self, and your one time Indian roomie.

jeami said:

dseann said:

I didn't see that part of the video. Where did anyone state that he kidnapped her to have sex with her because he didn't want to marry her?

YES!

I had to watch the video more than once because I had a hard time understanding some of the words. The people had accents, so that made it difficult to understand. During the interview, it was stated that the man was with the woman for 10 years. Six years ago, he kidnapped her, then brought her back to her parents. I'm sure he raped her during this time, so that's why the whole community is pushing for this marriage. He even ran away, so he MUST have done something he had no business doing. He dishonored her so he has to pay.

The accents didn't throw me off at all. I've travelled the world and have spoken to many different people with many different English accents and instinctly pay attention to what they have to say. No where in that video did anyone say he raped her. No where in that video did anyone say he kidnapped her and had sex with her. What makes you soooooo sure that that occured during the kidnapping? I was of the opinion that he went out with her for 10 years and was satisfied with being her boyfriend, not her husband which, is against the Indian culture. Everyone thinks he's a weasel who should act responsibly so they forced him into marriage. That's what I get out of it and I think it's funny. Why are you so hell bent on stressing that he raped her? Were you there?

FauxReal said:

jeami said:

I'm still calling bullshit on this one. I've already stated that vigilante groups were created because the govt. is unstable. The same thing happened in South Africa. If someone is guilty, then they deserve to be punished. The vigilante groups defend themselves because the govt. won't do it. It's not that hard to understand. I swear, some of the people on this board refuse to understand that not everybody lives in place where the govt. will help them get justice when they need it.

Call it all you want. Hope the two of you have a great conversation.

JustErin said:

Considering a good chunk my family is from India, comments like this just make you look like a damn fool.

And fauxreal isn't white, so strike two.

But go on with your bad self, and your one time Indian roomie.

Considering a good chunk my family is from India, comments like this just make you look like a damn fool.

And fauxreal isn't white, so strike two.

But go on with your bad self, and your one time Indian roomie.

If your family is from India, why aren't you supporting the woman? Why aren't you supporting the people in the community that helped her because a man treated her like shit? Are you trying so hard to be Westernized that you're rejecting your Indian roots?

[Edited 8/21/10 17:32pm]

JustErin said:

jeami said:

I'm still calling bullshit on this one. I've already stated that vigilante groups were created because the govt. is unstable. The same thing happened in South Africa. If someone is guilty, then they deserve to be punished. The vigilante groups defend themselves because the govt. won't do it. It's not that hard to understand. I swear, some of the people on this board refuse to understand that not everybody lives in place where the govt. will help them get justice when they need it. I really believe that some of you don't want to understand this situation. [Snip - luv4u]

[Edited 8/21/10 13:32pm]

Considering a good chunk my family is from India, comments like this just make you look like a damn fool.

And fauxreal isn't white, so strike two.

But go on with your bad self, and your one time Indian roomie.

Score: 10/10.

dseann said:

The accents didn't throw me off at all. I've travelled the world and have spoken to many different people with many different English accents and instinctly pay attention to what they have to say. No where in that video did anyone say he raped her. No where in that video did anyone say he kidnapped her and had sex with her. What makes you soooooo sure that that occured during the kidnapping? I was of the opinion that he went out with her for 10 years and was satisfied with being her boyfriend, not her husband which, is against the Indian culture. Everyone thinks he's a weasel who should act responsibly so they forced him into marriage. That's what I get out of it and I think it's funny. Why are you so hell bent on stressing that he raped her? Were you there?

The man kidnapped her, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what happened. In the USA, when women are kidnapped, physical/sexual abuse is common. This woman lives in a sexist country, where rape is a problem and the govt. is unstable, so of course he did something to her. He ran away and everyone that knows the woman thinks he's an asshole, so he's guilty of doing something that the media wants to cover up. If he was a nice man, he never would've kidnapped her in the first place, so I smell a rat.

I'm also angry because everyone doesn't think this guy is a weasel. Have you read some of the messages? Some of the orgers are making jokes and are defending the guy. They're also putting down the people in the community that helped the woman. Her community was trying to help her because she got screwed over, which is normal for females that live in those type of environments. I don't think that's right.

jeami said:

dseann said:

The accents didn't throw me off at all. I've travelled the world and have spoken to many different people with many different English accents and instinctly pay attention to what they have to say. No where in that video did anyone say he raped her. No where in that video did anyone say he kidnapped her and had sex with her. What makes you soooooo sure that that occured during the kidnapping? I was of the opinion that he went out with her for 10 years and was satisfied with being her boyfriend, not her husband which, is against the Indian culture. Everyone thinks he's a weasel who should act responsibly so they forced him into marriage. That's what I get out of it and I think it's funny. Why are you so hell bent on stressing that he raped her? Were you there?

The man kidnapped her, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what happened. In the USA, when women are kidnapped, physical/sexual abuse is common. This woman lives in a sexist country, where rape is a problem and the govt. is unstable, so of course he did something to her. He ran away and everyone that knows the woman thinks he's an asshole, so he's guilty of doing something that the media wants to cover up. If he was a nice man, he never would've kidnapped her in the first place, so I smell a rat.

I'm also angry because everyone doesn't think this guy is a weasel. Have you read some of the messages? Some of the orgers are making jokes and are defending the guy. They're also putting down the people in the community that helped the woman. Her community was trying to help her because she got screwed over, which is normal for females that live in those type of environments. I don't think that's right.

You keep repeating that we live in two entirely different cultures yet you give me an example of what a westerner would do if they kidnapped a woman to make your point of what happened in the eastern hemesphere. Go figure.

Everyone in the village who forced him to marry this woman thinks he''s a weasel. I was referring to them, not the orgers. My topic was the content of the video, not the posts of fellow Prince fans.

I am also of the opinion that the community was trying to help her because they grabbed dude, beat the shit out of him and forced him to get married. That's just too obvious.

I think you're a little paranoid and might have some conspiracy theories swimming around your brain since you seem to know what the Indian media is trying to cover up. WTF?

[Edited 8/21/10 17:41pm]

dseann said:

You keep repeating that we live in two entirely different cultures yet you give me an example of what a westerner would do if they kidnapped a woman to make your point of what happened in the eastern hemesphere. Go figure.

Everyone in the village who forced him to marry this woman thinks he''s a weasel. I was referring to them, not the orgers. My topic was the content of the video, not the posts of fellow Prince fans.

I am also of the opinion that the community was trying to help her because they grabbed dude, beat the shit out of him and forced him to get married. That's just too obvious.

I think you're a little paranoid and might have some conspiracy theories swimming around your brain since you seem to know what the Indian media is trying to cover up. WTF?

[Edited 8/21/10 17:41pm]

Once again, the man kidnapped the woman. How can you think that he didn't mistreat her? What kind of sane, decent person does that? I don't care where you live, something is wrong with you if you're kidnapping someone. Just because the media didn't mention it doesn't mean that it didn't happen. The media does the same thing in the USA too. If he is so innocent, why did he run away? He knew he was guilty, so he left town so he wouldn't get punished.

jeami said:

dseann said:

You keep repeating that we live in two entirely different cultures yet you give me an example of what a westerner would do if they kidnapped a woman to make your point of what happened in the eastern hemesphere. Go figure.

Everyone in the village who forced him to marry this woman thinks he''s a weasel. I was referring to them, not the orgers. My topic was the content of the video, not the posts of fellow Prince fans.

I am also of the opinion that the community was trying to help her because they grabbed dude, beat the shit out of him and forced him to get married. That's just too obvious.

I think you're a little paranoid and might have some conspiracy theories swimming around your brain since you seem to know what the Indian media is trying to cover up. WTF?

[Edited 8/21/10 17:41pm]

Once again, the man kidnapped the woman. How can you think that he didn't mistreat her? What kind of sane, decent person does that? I don't care where you live, something is wrong with you if you're kidnapping someone. Just because the media didn't mention it doesn't mean that it didn't happen. The media does the same thing in the USA too. If he is so innocent, why did he run away? He knew he was guilty, so he left town so he wouldn't get punished.

He ran away because he didn't want to marry her. Like they said he spoke to her parents about marrying her initially but obviously he changed his mind. Because of their culture, he took off. She never said she was raped, her mother never said her daughter was raped, not even the police said she was raped. The look on her face at the wedding doesn't look like the victim of a rape to me. Would you want to marry anyone who raped you?

jeami said:

Considering a good chunk my family is from India, comments like this just make you look like a damn fool.

And fauxreal isn't white, so strike two.

But go on with your bad self, and your one time Indian roomie.

If your family is from India, why aren't you supporting the woman? Why aren't you supporting the people in the community that helped her because a man treated her like shit? Are you trying so hard to be Westernized that you're rejecting your Indian roots?

[Edited 8/21/10 17:32pm]

Where do you get that I am not supporting the woman???

What you fail to realize is that not supporting this ridiculous act of vengeance has nothing to do with rejecting Indian roots or being a white westerner.

Not one person dismissed your claim that government is not the same as that in the western world - and that seems to be your biggest argument here.

And if you knew anything about the people of India, you would realize that many, many MANY people who live there also do not subscribe to this way of thinking. Guess they are rejecting their Indian roots as well....well, hell what would actual Indians know about being Indians....when someone who simply once lived with someone from India knows better than they do.

People are simply saying that they do not agree with what was done which in essence put that woman (that you claim we did not support) in more danger. In some parts of India, it is normal practice for a man to kidnap a woman. It means that he intends to marry her. They were not pissed that he might have raped her, they were pissed that he didn't ultimately marry her and therefore dishonored their family. By your own admittance, women are treated like property there...but hey, we better support them because that's just their tradition.

Guess you feel that female genital mutilation in some parts of the world is perfectly acceptable as well, because it's tradition, just the way things are and anyone who disagrees with that is just a plain old ignorant westerner.

Please.

dseann said:

He ran away because he didn't want to marry her. Like they said he spoke to her parents about marrying her initially but obviously he changed his mind. Because of their culture, he took off. She never said she was raped, her mother never said her daughter was raped, not even the police said she was raped. The look on her face at the wedding doesn't look like the victim of a rape to me. Would you want to marry anyone who raped you?

He also ran away because he kidnapped her. He kidnapped her so he could screw her, but he had no desire to marry her. He ran away because he knew what he did was wrong, so there would be hell to pay. Kidnappers don't treat their victims well. He did something to her. Just because the woman doesn't look like she's been mistreated doesn't mean it's not happening. She's happy because she's finally getting married after being jerked around for so long. Since women don't have many rights in that country, I'm sure that they're used to being abused. They don't like it, but the men can get away with it. It's not fair, but it's something you just have to live with. They probably even think it's normal because it happens all the time.

JustErin said:

People are simply saying that they do not agree with what was done which in essence put that woman (that you claim we did not support) in more danger. In some parts of India, it is normal practice for a man to kidnap a woman. It means that he intends to marry her. They were not pissed that he might have raped her, they were pissed that he didn't ultimately marry her and therefore dishonored their family. By your own admittance, women are treated like property there...but hey, we better support them because that's just their tradition.

Guess you feel that female genital mutilation in some parts of the world is perfectly acceptable as well, because it's tradition, just the way things are and anyone who disagrees with that is just a plain old ignorant westerner.

Bullshit again.

Most of the posters don't support what was done because they think the man shouldn't have to marry her just because he screwed her. Only 1 or 2 posters were concerned about the woman being in danger. I support the woman and the community because the man is a jerk. He didn't get away with what he did and that makes me happy. I'm not happy about the way the woman was treated. Seeing that man being miserable makes me happy. You know damn well that I don't support female genital mutilation so [Flame snip - luv4u] with that crap. I'm glad that you acknowledge the fact that you're an ignorant Westerner because joking about that stuff is NOT funny at all, although you seem to think it is funny.

What part of India are you from or are you just lying?

[Edited 8/21/10 21:52pm]

jeami said:

JustErin said:

People are simply saying that they do not agree with what was done which in essence put that woman (that you claim we did not support) in more danger. In some parts of India, it is normal practice for a man to kidnap a woman. It means that he intends to marry her. They were not pissed that he might have raped her, they were pissed that he didn't ultimately marry her and therefore dishonored their family. By your own admittance, women are treated like property there...but hey, we better support them because that's just their tradition.

Guess you feel that female genital mutilation in some parts of the world is perfectly acceptable as well, because it's tradition, just the way things are and anyone who disagrees with that is just a plain old ignorant westerner.

Bullshit again.

Most of the posters don't support what was done because they think the man shouldn't have to marry her just because he screwed her. Only 1 or 2 posters were concerned about the woman being in danger. I support the woman and the community because the man is a jerk. He didn't get away with what he did and that makes me happy. I'm not happy about the way the woman was treated. Seeing that man being miserable makes me happy. You know damn well that I don't support female genital mutilation so [Flame snip - luv4u] with that crap. I'm glad that you acknowledge the fact that you're an ignorant Westerner because joking about that stuff is NOT funny at all, although you seem to think it is funny.

What part of India are you from or are you just lying?

[Edited 8/21/10 21:52pm]

JustErin said:

jeami said:

Bullshit again.

Most of the posters don't support what was done because they think the man shouldn't have to marry her just because he screwed her. Only 1 or 2 posters were concerned about the woman being in danger. I support the woman and the community because the man is a jerk. He didn't get away with what he did and that makes me happy. I'm not happy about the way the woman was treated. Seeing that man being miserable makes me happy. You know damn well that I don't support female genital mutilation so [Flame snip - luv4u] with that crap. I'm glad that you acknowledge the fact that you're an ignorant Westerner because joking about that stuff is NOT funny at all, although you seem to think it is funny.

What part of India are you from or are you just lying?

[Edited 8/21/10 21:52pm]

Boggles the mind doesn't it?

jeami said:

You know damn well that I don't support female genital mutilation so [Flame snip - luv4u] with that crap.

[Edited 8/21/10 21:52pm]

It's funny because this whole thread you've been making wrong assumptions about the beliefs of anyone with a view contrary to yours. Now here we have someone doing the same to you and you get all sensitive. Maybe you should keep that in mind when posting in the future.

FauxReal said:

jeami said:

You know damn well that I don't support female genital mutilation so [Flame snip - luv4u] with that crap.

[Edited 8/21/10 21:52pm]

It's funny because this whole thread you've been making wrong assumptions about the beliefs of anyone with a view contrary to yours. Now here we have someone doing the same to you and you get all sensitive. Maybe you should keep that in mind when posting in the future.

No it's not funny. During this whole thread, I've stated that I don't like the way other women are treated in other countries, so there's no way I'd support FGM. Plus, I still think she's lying about being from India, so what's your point?

jeami said:

FauxReal said:

It's funny because this whole thread you've been making wrong assumptions about the beliefs of anyone with a view contrary to yours. Now here we have someone doing the same to you and you get all sensitive. Maybe you should keep that in mind when posting in the future.

No it's not funny. During this whole thread, I've stated that I don't like the way other women are treated in other countries, so there's no way I'd support FGM. Plus, I still think she's lying about being from India, so what's your point?

My point was very clear. I have never stated I approve mistreatment of women. I have never claimed to be Republican. I have never claimed half the things you seem to want to attribute to me. Somebody does the same thing to you, and you get bent out of shape over it. Maybe you shouldn't do it to others then?

jeami said:

dseann said:

He ran away because he didn't want to marry her. Like they said he spoke to her parents about marrying her initially but obviously he changed his mind. Because of their culture, he took off. She never said she was raped, her mother never said her daughter was raped, not even the police said she was raped. The look on her face at the wedding doesn't look like the victim of a rape to me. Would you want to marry anyone who raped you?

He also ran away because he kidnapped her. He kidnapped her so he could screw her, but he had no desire to marry her. He ran away because he knew what he did was wrong, so there would be hell to pay. Kidnappers don't treat their victims well. He did something to her. Just because the woman doesn't look like she's been mistreated doesn't mean it's not happening. She's happy because she's finally getting married after being jerked around for so long. Since women don't have many rights in that country, I'm sure that they're used to being abused. They don't like it, but the men can get away with it. It's not fair, but it's something you just have to live with. They probably even think it's normal because it happens all the time.

If he did screw her, it doesn't mean he raped her. Stop beating that dead drum. Stop trying to convince yourself of that because you're damned sure not convincing me.

I'm a real Indian!

We have no idea what is really going on in this video because we are watching a youtube video of a "news"cast.

The news, especially local news is made to get ratings and entertain.

I wouldn't try to argue too much about this unless someone tries to get the real story behind what happened (or is happening)

[Edited 8/22/10 13:15pm]

jeami said:

FauxReal said:

It's funny because this whole thread you've been making wrong assumptions about the beliefs of anyone with a view contrary to yours. Now here we have someone doing the same to you and you get all sensitive. Maybe you should keep that in mind when posting in the future.

No it's not funny. During this whole thread, I've stated that I don't like the way other women are treated in other countries, so there's no way I'd support FGM. Plus, I still think she's lying about being from India, so what's your point?

Your back is so far against the wall that you're questioning the validity of my family and a part of my heritage.

So very desperate...but funny.