Here´s the story, unfortunately in Czech, but there´s a video that says it all. How come these fights are still legal? How can people watch it and even take their children along? I don´t feel sorry for anyone he hurt. They were asking for it. I feel sorry for the bull.

http://www.novinky.cz/zahranicni/evropa/209102-rozzureny-byk-vtrhl-na-tribunu-koridy-a-podupal-30-lidi.html

[Edited 8/19/10 2:06am]

I'm not going to watch

Yeah, really those kids grow up thinking it's quite OK - I suppose it's necessary to keep the custom going

I feel sorry for any children who were taken there by their parents and might have been hurt, however.... for all the grownup perverts who went there at their own free will, just fuck'em, they deserve it, I hope they suffer a lot and got some nasty scars and such

horray for the bull !!

[Edited 8/19/10 2:26am]

ZombieKitten said:

I'm not going to watch

Yeah, really those kids grow up thinking it's quite OK - I suppose it's necessary to keep the custom going

Why? It´s sick.

dag said:

ZombieKitten said:

I'm not going to watch

Yeah, really those kids grow up thinking it's quite OK - I suppose it's necessary to keep the custom going

Why? It´s sick.

no, that's not MY opinion, I mean those who make money from it! Those that think this is a national pastime, integral to the culture of the country.

ZombieKitten said:

dag said:

Why? It´s sick.

no, that's not MY opinion, I mean those who make money from it! Those that think this is a national pastime, integral to the culture of the country.

oh, ok.

Don't anybody worry

I'm OK

PANDURITO said:

Don't anybody worry

I'm OK

PANDURITO said:

Don't anybody worry

I'm OK

Thank god for that.

Spain gets some serious pelters here!

dag said:

Here´s the story, unfortunately in Czech, but there´s a video that says it all. How come these fights are still legal? How can people watch it and even take their children along? I don´t feel sorry for anyone he hurt. They were asking for it. I feel sorry for the bull.

http://www.novinky.cz/zahranicni/evropa/209102-rozzureny-byk-vtrhl-na-tribunu-koridy-a-podupal-30-lidi.html

[Edited 8/19/10 2:06am]

i felt super sorry for the bull. what a spirit!

I´m against bullfighting in general but all those who constantly complain about it should also stop eating burgers if they really care about bulls, cows and whatnot.

I feel sorry about the bull but hey, people died, too, and I find it hypocritical that people who eat burgers or any other beef product somehow feel that it´s okay that some of the spectators died.

You can be against bullfighting and still feel compassionate about dead people. And not all Spaniards are fans of bullfighting.

KoolEaze said:

I´m against bullfighting in general but all those who constantly complain about it should also stop eating burgers if they really care about bulls, cows and whatnot.

I feel sorry about the bull but hey, people died, too, and I find it hypocritical that people who eat burgers or any other beef product somehow feel that it´s okay that some of the spectators died.

You can be against bullfighting and still feel compassionate about dead people. And not all Spaniards are fans of bullfighting.

that's very true

KoolEaze said:

I´m against bullfighting in general but all those who constantly complain about it should also stop eating burgers if they really care about bulls, cows and whatnot.

I feel sorry about the bull but hey, people died, too, and I find it hypocritical that people who eat burgers or any other beef product somehow feel that it´s okay that some of the spectators died.

You can be against bullfighting and still feel compassionate about dead people. And not all Spaniards are fans of bullfighting.

That's a really weak argument as it's not really comparable.

People can be against torture for sport and still eat meat, it certainly doesn't make them a hypocrite.

The treatment of animals when they're alive is what's important to a lot of people. I don't think it's inhumane to kill animals for food. Some animals eat animals, that's just the way it is.

JustErin said:

KoolEaze said:

I´m against bullfighting in general but all those who constantly complain about it should also stop eating burgers if they really care about bulls, cows and whatnot.

I feel sorry about the bull but hey, people died, too, and I find it hypocritical that people who eat burgers or any other beef product somehow feel that it´s okay that some of the spectators died.

You can be against bullfighting and still feel compassionate about dead people. And not all Spaniards are fans of bullfighting.

That's a really weak argument as it's not really comparable.

People can be against torture for sport and still eat meat, it certainly doesn't make them a hypocrite.

The treatment of animals when they're alive is what's important to a lot of people. I don't think it's inhumane to kill animals for food. Some animals eat animals, that's just the way it is.

The truth is the bull's meat is sold and eaten after the corrida

JustErin said:

KoolEaze said:

I´m against bullfighting in general but all those who constantly complain about it should also stop eating burgers if they really care about bulls, cows and whatnot.

I feel sorry about the bull but hey, people died, too, and I find it hypocritical that people who eat burgers or any other beef product somehow feel that it´s okay that some of the spectators died.

You can be against bullfighting and still feel compassionate about dead people. And not all Spaniards are fans of bullfighting.

That's a really weak argument as it's not really comparable.

People can be against torture for sport and still eat meat, it certainly doesn't make them a hypocrite.

The treatment of animals when they're alive is what's important to a lot of people. I don't think it's inhumane to kill animals for food. Some animals eat animals, that's just the way it is.

True. In theory, I agree with you....but the truth is that there is just as much torture going on in slaughterhouses, whether people want to accept it or not.

I eat beef, too. I used to be a strict vegetarian for more than five years but I know my body very well and I can tell from experience that my muscles and my whole body react differently when I eat animal protein on a regular basis, though I also know and feel that too much of it is also bad for my system.

I don´t feel comfortable about eating meat, but, after trying out both lifestyles ( ovo-lacto vegetarian and an omnivore diet) , I can´t deny the positive effects of occasional meat/chicken/fish and seafood.

I enjoy eating meat, I like seafood and fish, and I am against torturing animals for sport but I still find it illogical to be against bullfighting when in reality eating animals is always connected with some kind of torture for the animal in question, albeit there are of course exceptions to the rule.

I used to know a butcher and the stories he told me and the things I witnessed myself over the years are enough for me. As I said, I don´t agree with those who support bullfighting but how can I really complain about it when there is just as much animal torture going on outside the bullfighting rings in regular slaughterhouses or chickenfarms?

KoolEaze said:

JustErin said:

That's a really weak argument as it's not really comparable.

People can be against torture for sport and still eat meat, it certainly doesn't make them a hypocrite.

The treatment of animals when they're alive is what's important to a lot of people. I don't think it's inhumane to kill animals for food. Some animals eat animals, that's just the way it is.

True. In theory, I agree with you....but the truth is that there is just as much torture going on in slaughterhouses, whether people want to accept it or not.

I eat beef, too. I used to be a strict vegetarian for more than five years but I know my body very well and I can tell from experience that my muscles and my whole body react differently when I eat animal protein on a regular basis, though I also know and feel that too much of it is also bad for my system.

I don´t feel comfortable about eating meat, but, after trying out both lifestyles ( ovo-lacto vegetarian and an omnivore diet) , I can´t deny the positive effects of occasional meat/chicken/fish and seafood.

I enjoy eating meat, I like seafood and fish, and I am against torturing animals for sport but I still find it illogical to be against bullfighting when in reality eating animals is always connected with some kind of torture for the animal in question, albeit there are of course exceptions to the rule.

I used to know a butcher and the stories he told me and the things I witnessed myself over the years are enough for me. As I said, I don´t agree with those who support bullfighting but how can I really complain about it when there is just as much animal torture going on outside the bullfighting rings in regular slaughterhouses or chickenfarms?

I know what you mean and I agree with you, but I am with JustErin. Unfortunately, nature is cruel. Some animals were desinged to eat other animals and we human are one of those, BUT in today´s world of advanced technology and whatever, I hate to see how we treat animals. I think they are entitled to be treated with respect and if we are about to kill them, why can´t we do it "humanly". Shoot it quikly so that it doesn´t feel the pain etc. I hate the way they are killed in slaughterhouses where they "know" what´s gonna happen to them and have to suffer that way. I hate the way chicken and other animals are tortured in cages. What I am angry about is the way we treat them when they are alive. I do hate that we have to kill them as well but on the other hand, I have to accept the fact that some creatures were designed to kill in order to survive. But no other creature tortures others "just for fun or for profit" the way we do.

YAAY for the bull!!

TEAM BULL!!!

KoolEaze said:

JustErin said:

That's a really weak argument as it's not really comparable.

People can be against torture for sport and still eat meat, it certainly doesn't make them a hypocrite.

The treatment of animals when they're alive is what's important to a lot of people. I don't think it's inhumane to kill animals for food. Some animals eat animals, that's just the way it is.

True. In theory, I agree with you....but the truth is that there is just as much torture going on in slaughterhouses, whether people want to accept it or not.

I eat beef, too. I used to be a strict vegetarian for more than five years but I know my body very well and I can tell from experience that my muscles and my whole body react differently when I eat animal protein on a regular basis, though I also know and feel that too much of it is also bad for my system.

I don´t feel comfortable about eating meat, but, after trying out both lifestyles ( ovo-lacto vegetarian and an omnivore diet) , I can´t deny the positive effects of occasional meat/chicken/fish and seafood.

I enjoy eating meat, I like seafood and fish, and I am against torturing animals for sport but I still find it illogical to be against bullfighting when in reality eating animals is always connected with some kind of torture for the animal in question, albeit there are of course exceptions to the rule.

I used to know a butcher and the stories he told me and the things I witnessed myself over the years are enough for me. As I said, I don´t agree with those who support bullfighting but how can I really complain about it when there is just as much animal torture going on outside the bullfighting rings in regular slaughterhouses or chickenfarms?

But torture is not going on in all slaughterhouses. You don't have to buy your meat from large corporations, you know and not all farmers treat their animals inhumanely. It's up to the consumer to make wise choices about the meat we eat and not support the slaughterhouses that truly are guilty of torture and inhumane treatment. And this isn't just for consumption animals, it's the same for dairy farmers, etc...

Unless, of course, you think being killed for consumption is torture in itself like many vegans believe.

I don't know if this has been said here already, but the catalans have recently banned bullfighting in Catalonia...controversial move, but horray for them...

Number23 said:

They should just swap the bulls for clapped out celebrities like Ben Affleck and Mel Gibson. Wave bottles of booze at them instead of red capes. Fun for all the family.

fuck me, that would be funny

KoolEaze said:

I´m against bullfighting in general but all those who constantly complain about it should also stop eating burgers if they really care about bulls, cows and whatnot.

I feel sorry about the bull but hey, people died, too, and I find it hypocritical that people who eat burgers or any other beef product somehow feel that it´s okay that some of the spectators died.

You can be against bullfighting and still feel compassionate about dead people. And not all Spaniards are fans of bullfighting.

JustErin said:

KoolEaze said:

True. In theory, I agree with you....but the truth is that there is just as much torture going on in slaughterhouses, whether people want to accept it or not.

I eat beef, too. I used to be a strict vegetarian for more than five years but I know my body very well and I can tell from experience that my muscles and my whole body react differently when I eat animal protein on a regular basis, though I also know and feel that too much of it is also bad for my system.

I don´t feel comfortable about eating meat, but, after trying out both lifestyles ( ovo-lacto vegetarian and an omnivore diet) , I can´t deny the positive effects of occasional meat/chicken/fish and seafood.

I enjoy eating meat, I like seafood and fish, and I am against torturing animals for sport but I still find it illogical to be against bullfighting when in reality eating animals is always connected with some kind of torture for the animal in question, albeit there are of course exceptions to the rule.

I used to know a butcher and the stories he told me and the things I witnessed myself over the years are enough for me. As I said, I don´t agree with those who support bullfighting but how can I really complain about it when there is just as much animal torture going on outside the bullfighting rings in regular slaughterhouses or chickenfarms?

But torture is not going on in all slaughterhouses. You don't have to buy your meat from large corporations, you know and not all farmers treat their animals inhumanely. It's up to the consumer to make wise choices about the meat we eat and not support the slaughterhouses that truly are guilty of torture and inhumane treatment. And this isn't just for consumption animals, it's the same for dairy farmers, etc...

Unless, of course, you think being killed for consumption is torture in itself like many vegans believe.

killing an animal for consumption is MURDER by default

what exactly is 'slaughtering in a humane way' ?

there's no way murder can ever be commited 'humanely'

[Edited 8/20/10 4:26am]

reported a ten year old got badly hurt....feel sorry for the kid....they dont know any better but i would shot his f**kin parents for taking him there in the first place.....lets go and see a guy slowly kill a bull with lots of other people with shit for brains !!!.......i say HOORAY for the bull.....the f**kin idiots that go to these horrible things deserve all they get ( apart from their poor kids )......GO BULL GO.....of course they killed the poor bull later but at least he tried to take a few of those F**KERS with him......

KoolEaze said:

I´m against bullfighting in general but all those who constantly complain about it should also stop eating burgers if they really care about bulls, cows and whatnot.

I feel sorry about the bull but hey, people died, too, and I find it hypocritical that people who eat burgers or any other beef product somehow feel that it´s okay that some of the spectators died.

You can be against bullfighting and still feel compassionate about dead people. And not all Spaniards are fans of bullfighting.

Eating is necessary. Yes, people can be vegetarians, but some of us don't want to be or need the vitamins you get from meat.

Torturing and teasing an animal is no sport, it's not necessary and no matter what, the bull is killed for no reason at the end.

purplesweat said:

KoolEaze said:

I´m against bullfighting in general but all those who constantly complain about it should also stop eating burgers if they really care about bulls, cows and whatnot.

I feel sorry about the bull but hey, people died, too, and I find it hypocritical that people who eat burgers or any other beef product somehow feel that it´s okay that some of the spectators died.

You can be against bullfighting and still feel compassionate about dead people. And not all Spaniards are fans of bullfighting.

Eating is necessary. Yes, people can be vegetarians, but some of us don't want to be or need the vitamins you get from meat.

Torturing and teasing an animal is no sport, it's not necessary and no matter what, the bull is killed for no reason at the end.

Maybe you didn´t read my next post. Anyway, I didn´t say that everybody should be a vegetarian (I was, but I no longer am), but, regardless of how I feel about bullfighting or eating or not eating meat, killing an animal for consumption is almost always connected with pain and torture, except for a few farmers who raise free range chicken and grass fed cows who are killed very quickly, and EVEN THEN, it is still horrible for the animal.

I´m not saying I´m any better, I know I am a hypocrite myself....we all are...as long as we eat animals or , put it this way, as long as we have no problem with the way they are kept, raised and killed for consumption.

As JustErin pointed out, probably not ALL animals have to suffer ( I heard there are fast ways to kill cows, and there are decent farmers who raise their cattle under the best possible conditions) but that route is waaaay to expensive for the average household.

As far as I´m concerned, all I´m saying is yes, bullfights are bad and totally unnecessary but it sounds illogical to me to complain about bullfighting (and Spaniards) and to joke about a bull killing human beings when in fact most people have no problem whatsoever with eating animals who are often raised and killed under horrible circumstances.

And honestly, who cares about organic and grass fed beef when you go to a restaurant or go to the supermarket?

If I could, I´d switch back to being a full fledged, dedicated vegetarian again, but these days I kind of can´t live without the benefits of eating animals. But that doesn´t mean that I have to stay blind to the horrors happening to animals, and maybe one day, sooner than I think , I can stay away from meat again.

I went to the bullfights in Madrid, I 'm sorry I did.

KoolEaze said:

I´m against bullfighting in general but all those who constantly complain about it should also stop eating burgers if they really care about bulls, cows and whatnot.

I feel sorry about the bull but hey, people died, too, and I find it hypocritical that people who eat burgers or any other beef product somehow feel that it´s okay that some of the spectators died.

You can be against bullfighting and still feel compassionate about dead people. And not all Spaniards are fans of bullfighting.

True.

Dewrede said:

JustErin said:

But torture is not going on in all slaughterhouses. You don't have to buy your meat from large corporations, you know and not all farmers treat their animals inhumanely. It's up to the consumer to make wise choices about the meat we eat and not support the slaughterhouses that truly are guilty of torture and inhumane treatment. And this isn't just for consumption animals, it's the same for dairy farmers, etc...

Unless, of course, you think being killed for consumption is torture in itself like many vegans believe.

killing an animal for consumption is MURDER by default

what exactly is 'slaughtering in a humane way' ?

there's no way murder can ever be commited 'humanely'

[Edited 8/20/10 4:26am]

^

what's so funny ?

you must've just posted that because you know it's the truth

and have no other option but to try and ridicule me and thereby , yourself

[Edited 8/20/10 8:47am]