I agree that Aaron M. is taking out sacred cows -- but "The Boondocks" has always been about that. I hope episodes like the Tyler Perry one get people thinking about their entertainment choices.
No, I don't think all entertainment with black folks needs to be deep and wonderful, but I'd love for the deep and wonderful movies to get the same recognition and distribution that the stereotypical dreck gets.
The closest we've come in recent years has been deep and dysfunctional (a la "Precious"). It seems a black blockbuster these days either needs TP in drag or black folks treating each other animalistically.
I'd love a black love story ... that didn't have Queen Latifah in it... It's time for Erykah to get back on the silver screen. She tore up Cider House Rules...
Wow, I agree with pretty much everything you said there. Especially about the Boondocks. Tyler has become a media machine and still growing. That Boondocks episode points out a lot of what I thought was good points. Not sure if Tyler is listening to Spike or Aaron. I doubt it.
You mentioned Latifah...I loved "The Secret Life of the Bees".
Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that?
I agree that Aaron M. is taking out sacred cows -- but "The Boondocks" has always been about that. I hope episodes like the Tyler Perry one get people thinking about their entertainment choices.
No, I don't think all entertainment with black folks needs to be deep and wonderful, but I'd love for the deep and wonderful movies to get the same recognition and distribution that the stereotypical dreck gets.
The closest we've come in recent years has been deep and dysfunctional (a la "Precious"). It seems a black blockbuster these days either needs TP in drag or black folks treating each other animalistically.
I'd love a black love story ... that didn't have Queen Latifah in it... It's time for Erykah to get back on the silver screen. She tore up Cider House Rules...
Hear, hear!
I did a google and the Boondocks buzz in all over the place. I didn't even know that they withdrew a couple of episodes aimed at BET under legal threats.
I did know that McGruder is as mercilessly irreverant as they come, so this episode wasn't shocking or anything, but I don't believe the blog story that TP fired his staff because of it.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
I agree that Aaron M. is taking out sacred cows -- but "The Boondocks" has always been about that. I hope episodes like the Tyler Perry one get people thinking about their entertainment choices.
No, I don't think all entertainment with black folks needs to be deep and wonderful, but I'd love for the deep and wonderful movies to get the same recognition and distribution that the stereotypical dreck gets.
The closest we've come in recent years has been deep and dysfunctional (a la "Precious"). It seems a black blockbuster these days either needs TP in drag or black folks treating each other animalistically.
I'd love a black love story ... that didn't have Queen Latifah in it... It's time for Erykah to get back on the silver screen. She tore up Cider House Rules...
Hear, hear!
I did a google and the Boondocks buzz in all over the place. I didn't even know that they withdrew a couple of episodes aimed at BET under legal threats.
I did know that McGruder is as mercilessly irreverant as they come, so this episode wasn't shocking or anything, but I don't believe the blog story that TP fired his staff because of it.
The BET episode is PRICELESS. A definite must see if you want to start a list of episodes to watch.
I'm calling BS on the rumor that he fired his entire staff as well,if for no other reason than what would it accomplish. Hardly makes any sense to me.
Tyler Perry is one production deal with LOGO away from being Rupaul. He's a drag queen, pure and simple. He makes his living by putting on a dress and overhyping stereotypical behavior. Sounds like a drag queen to me!
When go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all up in the house but when log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
I did a google and the Boondocks buzz in all over the place. I didn't even know that they withdrew a couple of episodes aimed at BET under legal threats.
I did know that McGruder is as mercilessly irreverant as they come, so this episode wasn't shocking or anything, but I don't believe the blog story that TP fired his staff because of it.
The BET episode is PRICELESS. A definite must see if you want to start a list of episodes to watch.
I'm calling BS on the rumor that he fired his entire staff as well,if for no other reason than what would it accomplish. Hardly makes any sense to me.
I missed that episode when it aired. I initially heard that they tried to ban it from being aired. I've only been able to catch "bits and pieces" of the episode on Youtube.
Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that?
I only started checking out his movies in recent months and like the 4 movies I've seen of his. (Diary of a Mad Black Woman, Medea's Family Reunion, Medea Goes to Jail and I Can do Bad All by Myself).
I don't know what his personal stances are.
I don't watch the Boondocks.
I have no idea what this episode is supposed to be revealing about him.
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well, personally, and it is only my opinion, i think that his movies are poorly written and directed pandering bits of fluff that try to pass themselves off as something deep, and i agree with spike lee that there is a whole lot of cooning and buffoonery in his stuff.
as far as his personal life, i dont particularly care, but i do find it fascinating that he is a gay man who is pandering to christians and somehow successfully selling them a lame drag character by just talking a whole lot about jesus and god. but, that doesnt bother me half as much as how poorly written and directed his stuff is. that is the cardinal sin of him for me.
there is part of me that appreciates that he is out to make money, and will do anything to get it, but there is part of me that thinks it's uncle tomming to pretend to be straight to make his fortune off christian fundamnetalists, and manipulating an audience by feeding them mass quantities of cinematic high fructose corn syrup with a made by jesus label.
there are a wealth of far superior black writers and directors with strong and interesting voices and stories who are ignored while he is raking it in hand over fist by pandering.
just my opinion though.
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Most of what you say about the quality of writing is true. I think he is working on it and getting a little better with the “Why Did I Get Married “ movies however, realize this guy did not go to film school or have any training or education in screenwriting he had to get in his car at 18 and drive away from an abusive home. He is probably writing about his neighborhood and what he saw when he was growing up. As an African-American I would like to see our entire community reflected in the media and I think the problem with Mr. Perry is that he has only been successful showing one side of black life therefore our community is not getting the balance that it deserves in the media.
As far as the cross-dressing I always looked at it as Tyler doing the female impersonation thing just like Milton Berle, Benny Hill and Flip Wilson. I cannot figure out why this is such a big issue for African-Americans and I think Aaron really went beyond satire into being mean-spirted.
well, personally, and it is only my opinion, i think that his movies are poorly written and directed pandering bits of fluff that try to pass themselves off as something deep, and i agree with spike lee that there is a whole lot of cooning and buffoonery in his stuff.
as far as his personal life, i dont particularly care, but i do find it fascinating that he is a gay man who is pandering to christians and somehow successfully selling them a lame drag character by just talking a whole lot about jesus and god. but, that doesnt bother me half as much as how poorly written and directed his stuff is. that is the cardinal sin of him for me.
there is part of me that appreciates that he is out to make money, and will do anything to get it, but there is part of me that thinks it's uncle tomming to pretend to be straight to make his fortune off christian fundamnetalists, and manipulating an audience by feeding them mass quantities of cinematic high fructose corn syrup with a made by jesus label.
there are a wealth of far superior black writers and directors with strong and interesting voices and stories who are ignored while he is raking it in hand over fist by pandering.
just my opinion though.
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Most of what you say about the quality of writing is true. I think he is working on it and getting a little better with the “Why Did I Get Married “ movies however, realize this guy did not go to film school or have any training or education in screenwriting he had to get in his car at 18 and drive away from an abusive home. He is probably writing about his neighborhood and what he saw when he was growing up. As an African-American I would like to see our entire community reflected in the media and I think the problem with Mr. Perry is that he has only been successful showing one side of black life therefore our community is not getting the balance that it deserves in the media.
As far as the cross-dressing I always looked at it as Tyler doing the female impersonation thing just like Milton Berle, Benny Hill and Flip Wilson. I cannot figure out why this is such a big issue for African-Americans and I think Aaron really went beyond satire into being mean-spirted.
Actually, it appears to be a big issue for Hollywood -- which appears allergic to presenting consistently an image of educated, professional black men committed to fidelity, relationships, doing the right thing and managing money soundly.
If we're shown being only heterosexual, it's often in some hypersexualized, Mandingo stereotype where we're out to sleep with as many women as possible.
Otherwise, sooner or later, they bring out the dress.
Most of what you say about the quality of writing is true. I think he is working on it and getting a little better with the “Why Did I Get Married “ movies however, realize this guy did not go to film school or have any training or education in screenwriting he had to get in his car at 18 and drive away from an abusive home. He is probably writing about his neighborhood and what he saw when he was growing up. As an African-American I would like to see our entire community reflected in the media and I think the problem with Mr. Perry is that he has only been successful showing one side of black life therefore our community is not getting the balance that it deserves in the media.
As far as the cross-dressing I always looked at it as Tyler doing the female impersonation thing just like Milton Berle, Benny Hill and Flip Wilson. I cannot figure out why this is such a big issue for African-Americans and I think Aaron really went beyond satire into being mean-spirted.
Actually, it appears to be a big issue for Hollywood -- which appears allergic to presenting consistently an image of educated, professional black men committed to fidelity, relationships, doing the right thing and managing money soundly.
If we're shown being only heterosexual, it's often in some hypersexualized, Mandingo stereotype where we're out to sleep with as many women as possible.
Otherwise, sooner or later, they bring out the dress.
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I don't get the title of that clip. How is that a Gay/Trans Agenda? DC didn't even mention anything about Gays/Trans.
Actually, it appears to be a big issue for Hollywood -- which appears allergic to presenting consistently an image of educated, professional black men committed to fidelity, relationships, doing the right thing and managing money soundly.
If we're shown being only heterosexual, it's often in some hypersexualized, Mandingo stereotype where we're out to sleep with as many women as possible.
Otherwise, sooner or later, they bring out the dress.
Actually, it appears to be a big issue for Hollywood -- which appears allergic to presenting consistently an image of educated, professional black men committed to fidelity, relationships, doing the right thing and managing money soundly.
If we're shown being only heterosexual, it's often in some hypersexualized, Mandingo stereotype where we're out to sleep with as many women as possible.
Otherwise, sooner or later, they bring out the dress.
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I don't get the title of that clip. How is that a Gay/Trans Agenda? DC didn't even mention anything about Gays/Trans.
Well Dave Chappell complained that Comedy Central wanted him to put on a dress however, I still do not see why this is such a big deal.
What about Flip Wilson, Benny Hill, and Milton Beale all of these guys wore dresses as a part of their routine and no one suggested they were gay.
It is just a comedy routine. Tyler Perry is not Ru Paul.
Actually, it appears to be a big issue for Hollywood -- which appears allergic to presenting consistently an image of educated, professional black men committed to fidelity, relationships, doing the right thing and managing money soundly.
If we're shown being only heterosexual, it's often in some hypersexualized, Mandingo stereotype where we're out to sleep with as many women as possible.
Otherwise, sooner or later, they bring out the dress.
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I don't get the title of that clip. How is that a Gay/Trans Agenda? DC didn't even mention anything about Gays/Trans.
Most of what you say about the quality of writing is true. I think he is working on it and getting a little better with the “Why Did I Get Married “ movies however, realize this guy did not go to film school or have any training or education in screenwriting he had to get in his car at 18 and drive away from an abusive home. He is probably writing about his neighborhood and what he saw when he was growing up. As an African-American I would like to see our entire community reflected in the media and I think the problem with Mr. Perry is that he has only been successful showing one side of black life therefore our community is not getting the balance that it deserves in the media.
As far as the cross-dressing I always looked at it as Tyler doing the female impersonation thing just like Milton Berle, Benny Hill and Flip Wilson. I cannot figure out why this is such a big issue for African-Americans and I think Aaron really went beyond satire into being mean-spirted.
Actually, it appears to be a big issue for Hollywood -- which appears allergic to presenting consistently an image of educated, professional black men committed to fidelity, relationships, doing the right thing and managing money soundly.
If we're shown being only heterosexual, it's often in some hypersexualized, Mandingo stereotype where we're out to sleep with as many women as possible.
Otherwise, sooner or later, they bring out the dress.
[Edited 6/28/10 7:19am]
If my memory serves me correctly (cause I didn't clickon to the clip), the points that Dave Chappel is making in this interview is a conversation that has gone on amongst many African Americans for a very long time......way before Tyler. So then you have a powerful succesful man (like Tyler) doing the same thing...and it becomes nails screeching on a chalkboard for some. I mean Chappel has a point. Many feel that in order for African American men to make it big and to stay big in showbiz, somehow ...and some way they have to take on some sort of a role that is considered "de-masculating".
Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that?
I don't get the title of that clip. How is that a Gay/Trans Agenda? DC didn't even mention anything about Gays/Trans.
Well Dave Chappell complained that Comedy Central wanted him to put on a dress however, I still do not see why this is such a big deal.
What about Flip Wilson, Benny Hill, and Milton Beale all of these guys wore dresses as a part of their routine and no one suggested they were gay.
It is just a comedy routine. Tyler Perry is not Ru Paul.
Wow, lots of people that I know have questioned Flip Wilson's personal character and sexuality because of that female character "Geraldine" that he played. Some blacks were pissed off about his playing of that character and this was over 30 years ago. Also, I think there may be a difference in how a man vs. a woman views cross dressing. Women appear to be more tolerable in my opinion.
Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that?
Tyler Perry is one production deal with LOGO away from being Rupaul. He's a drag queen, pure and simple. He makes his living by putting on a dress and overhyping stereotypical behavior. Sounds like a drag queen to me!
The funny thing about all of this is...being a drag queen or a transvestite DOES NOT make you gay. Case in point: Eddie Izzard -- straight as an arrow, yet a transvestite. Still, Tyler wearing a dress as "Madea" gets him instantly labelled gay.
Now whether he is or not...we'll let him answer that question.
Tyler Perry is one production deal with LOGO away from being Rupaul. He's a drag queen, pure and simple. He makes his living by putting on a dress and overhyping stereotypical behavior. Sounds like a drag queen to me!
The funny thing about all of this is...being a drag queen or a transvestite DOES NOT make you gay. Case in point: Eddie Izzard -- straight as an arrow, yet a transvestite. Still, Tyler wearing a dress as "Madea" gets him instantly labelled gay.
Now whether he is or not...we'll let him answer that question.
=0P
People aren't making the claim based on him wearing a dress. They are making it since he is clearly flaming outside of one
Well Dave Chappell complained that Comedy Central wanted him to put on a dress however, I still do not see why this is such a big deal.
What about Flip Wilson, Benny Hill, and Milton Beale all of these guys wore dresses as a part of their routine and no one suggested they were gay.
It is just a comedy routine. Tyler Perry is not Ru Paul.
Wow, lots of people that I know have questioned Flip Wilson's personal character and sexuality because of that female character "Geraldine" that he played. Some blacks were pissed off about his playing of that character and this was over 30 years ago. Also, I think there may be a difference in how a man vs. a woman views cross dressing. Women appear to be more tolerable in my opinion.
I was young when Flip Wilson was on but I do not remember anyone going off about Geraldine or saying he was gay. What about Benny Hill or Milton Berle? Why is it okay for white comedians and not black comedians? Like I said if Mr. Perry were wearing that stuff 24/7 then he would qualify as a drag queen but I do not see him doing a Rupaul I see it as a character that he created just like comedians create characters.
I can see some complaining with RnB/Pop music back in the 80s. People wanted to sell more records and they did not think they could cross over without softing up their image. I hate to admit it but we are country that is hung up on race and there is a fear of black males so I can see how entertainers could be talked into wearing a lot of make-up to sell a few more records.
The funny thing about all of this is...being a drag queen or a transvestite DOES NOT make you gay. Case in point: Eddie Izzard -- straight as an arrow, yet a transvestite. Still, Tyler wearing a dress as "Madea" gets him instantly labelled gay.
Now whether he is or not...we'll let him answer that question.
=0P
People aren't making the claim based on him wearing a dress. They are making it since he is clearly flaming outside of one
I only started checking out his movies in recent months and like the 4 movies I've seen of his. (Diary of a Mad Black Woman, Medea's Family Reunion, Medea Goes to Jail and I Can do Bad All by Myself).
I don't know what his personal stances are.
I don't watch the Boondocks.
I have no idea what this episode is supposed to be revealing about him.
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well, personally, and it is only my opinion, i think that his movies are poorly written and directed pandering bits of fluff that try to pass themselves off as something deep, and i agree with spike lee that there is a whole lot of cooning and buffoonery in his stuff.
as far as his personal life, i dont particularly care, but i do find it fascinating that he is a gay man who is pandering to christians and somehow successfully selling them a lame drag character by just talking a whole lot about jesus and god. but, that doesnt bother me half as much as how poorly written and directed his stuff is. that is the cardinal sin of him for me.
there is part of me that appreciates that he is out to make money, and will do anything to get it, but there is part of me that thinks it's uncle tomming to pretend to be straight to make his fortune off christian fundamnetalists, and manipulating an audience by feeding them mass quantities of cinematic high fructose corn syrup with a made by jesus label.
there are a wealth of far superior black writers and directors with strong and interesting voices and stories who are ignored while he is raking it in hand over fist by pandering.
just my opinion though.
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PREACH PREACH PREACH!!!!
The funnier part about the Boondocks episode: "I'm the dark skinned man from Law and Order and I do not want to be with you because you are a strong, virtuous Black woman that could make me better. So I am running off with this White woman!"
Agreed on pretty much everything stated here. I also liked The Family that Preys and was at least glad to see a female written as the villain vs. the usual male stepping in for that.
(I changed it to "Preys"- thanks! )
And I'll bet the character development in that film was as weak as it was in Why Did I Get Married, or I Can Do Bad as well.
People aren't making the claim based on him wearing a dress. They are making it since he is clearly flaming outside of one
Heller!
Dag, I thought I was the only person on this planet who could see that. I mean when I would broach the discussion, people would get really angry and agressive. I told them that it's not only the Madea character that made me question his sexuality.
Now if he's gay to be honest....it really does not matter. Hell, are not a number of unbelievably great actors, directors, producers, stage play writers / directors gay? So I don't care that Tyler may be. But I think the point that the Boondocks episode was trying to drive in was the theme "Homo-Erotic Christian Cult". It just bugs me sometimes that it appears that few question anything, the just gobble up what is given to them. Heck that's life in general.
Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that?
well, personally, and it is only my opinion, i think that his movies are poorly written and directed pandering bits of fluff that try to pass themselves off as something deep, and i agree with spike lee that there is a whole lot of cooning and buffoonery in his stuff.
as far as his personal life, i dont particularly care, but i do find it fascinating that he is a gay man who is pandering to christians and somehow successfully selling them a lame drag character by just talking a whole lot about jesus and god. but, that doesnt bother me half as much as how poorly written and directed his stuff is. that is the cardinal sin of him for me.
there is part of me that appreciates that he is out to make money, and will do anything to get it, but there is part of me that thinks it's uncle tomming to pretend to be straight to make his fortune off christian fundamnetalists, and manipulating an audience by feeding them mass quantities of cinematic high fructose corn syrup with a made by jesus label.
there are a wealth of far superior black writers and directors with strong and interesting voices and stories who are ignored while he is raking it in hand over fist by pandering.
just my opinion though.
[Edited 6/25/10 22:31pm]
PREACH PREACH PREACH!!!!
The funnier part about the Boondocks episode: "I'm the dark skinned man from Law and Order and I do not want to be with you because you are a strong, virtuous Black woman that could make me better. So I am running off with this White woman!"
The basic jist of EVERY Tyler Perry script! I
Naw, far from it. The basic story for TP is: Scorned/Beaten Black woman who is too bitter to realize that her knight in shining armor is right in front of her face.
The funnier part about the Boondocks episode: "I'm the dark skinned man from Law and Order and I do not want to be with you because you are a strong, virtuous Black woman that could make me better. So I am running off with this White woman!"
The basic jist of EVERY Tyler Perry script! I
Naw, far from it. The basic story for TP is: Scorned/Beaten Black woman who is too bitter to realize that her knight in shining armor is right in front of her face.
But you forgot the knight in shining armour is a greazzzed up light-skinned pretty dude with no shirt on!
Naw, far from it. The basic story for TP is: Scorned/Beaten Black woman who is too bitter to realize that her knight in shining armor is right in front of her face.
But you forgot the knight in shining armour is a greazzzed up light-skinned pretty dude with no shirt on!
I love the Boondocks but I do not stand for this seriosuly...over the top...South Park like. They always seemed more down to Earth than this...a musical too? I liked when they attacked BET though...
Straight Jacket Funk Affair
Album plays and love for vinyl records.
The whole thing is very homophobic also..it doesnt anger me however it shoots down a positivie man for the possibility of being gay "in Jesus name".....just makes it harder to be a gay black man with shit like this. "Can I just get some ass?" really? Thats what Tyler is all about?
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Straight Jacket Funk Affair
Album plays and love for vinyl records.
I love the Boondocks but I do not stand for this seriosuly...over the top...South Park like. They always seemed more down to Earth than this...a musical too? I liked when they attacked BET though...
"I saw a Black child on the street reading!" "And he was SMILING!" The BET episode was funny.
The Boondocks episode with Uncle Ruckus winning the country singing contest started to offend me. But otherwise, I've liked it. The Scarface/school candy episode was funny too.
I found it HILARIOUS that Jerome Winston came down from the ceiling like Frankenfurter in the Rocky Horror Picture Show. The kool aid bit was funny too.
I will really miss the Boondocks after this season. The writers were just open and honest in their work. I normally KRINGE when I hear the "N" word uttered by anyone. Yet, they made that word relevant to the characters of the animation, and the mentality. I admit the Uncle Ruckers character is a little too over the top for my tastes...but "I get it".
They will offend everyone from black people, to black gay people, to white people and any other group between. But usually something that "makes sense" comes out of all of the work, even the most offensive.
Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that?
The whole thing is very homophobic also..it doesnt anger me however it shoots down a positivie man for the possibility of being gay "in Jesus name".....just makes it harder to be a gay black man with shit like this. "Can I just get some ass?" really? Thats what Tyler is all about?
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Pretty much. Bunch a greazzzed up half naked men, all over the stage, his movies, and his compound!
Tyler is about simple trite stories, and serving his kool aid. I have a friend that works in the film circuit here in ATL and she sums up TP as a hot ghetto mess. The set is disorganized, no one knows what to do, and TP gets missing for DAYS. While staff come to work everyday to sit and do...nothing. But get paid. That's a mess. And it is also a waste of TP's money. And the other thing I'll say is TP treats his staff the way Kathy Hughes does her Radio One staff. Like mules.
I can't say I've ever heard that about Cube. Maybe he does, I don't know. But you never heard nasty rumors about Mr. Cube.
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at that episode!
(Diary of a Mad Black Woman, Medea's Family Reunion, Medea Goes to Jail and I Can do Bad All by Myself).
