RebirthOfCool said:

Cerebus said:

There's only two cops there! So NOT excessive. The shit he was pulling justified being arrested in that manner. They just put hundreds of other drivers at risk of seriousl injury, or death. I've driven that stretch of freeway a couple hundred times in my life (easily, probably more than that over the last 20 years). I can tell you from experience that he's lucky there was light traffic AND that he didn't blow out a tire and wreck. That freeway looks nice there, but parts of it are actually pretty bad. He was still driving like a fool when he first got off the freeway, too.

But what you're going off is what he DID and not what he WAS DOING at the time one-time rolled up on them. At the time of his arrest, he wasn't speeding at all, so no need to draw down on him. Now had they tried to pull him over WHILE he was speeding, then ok, I can see it. Plus, don't know how just 2 cops CAN'T be excessive? All it takes is ONE COP to be excessive with his ONE GUN.

Did you WATCH the video? Because if you watch the video what you're saying makes no sense at all.

Two guys in a car (one black, one white - but I doubt the cop knew how many people were in the car since the windows are blacked out) are pulled over by a single cop on a motorcyle after weaving in and out of traffic at over 100 MPH, then driving suspect on a surface street. There's probably less than one minute between the freeway exit and the cop pulling up behind him. The guy just put hundreds (or thousands) of innocent lives at risk because he wanted to race somebody. It's idiotic, CRIMINAL behavior. Are you defending his crimes? Because to me they're indefensible.

Regarding the cops, there isn't 20 of them with guns, tazers, pepper spray and clubs drawn (which we've all seen happen). It's ONE cop, on a motorcycle (that a car could drive right over if put in reverse) arresting a (now) suspected felon. As far as I can tell from watching the video the cop acted exactly how he should have (probably according to procedure). When his backup arrives the passenger is treated exactly the same way, and he wasn't even driving. Yes, two cops could be excessive in their actions. But in this case they weren't - it's right there on the video.

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Cerebus said:

RebirthOfCool said:

But what you're going off is what he DID and not what he WAS DOING at the time one-time rolled up on them. At the time of his arrest, he wasn't speeding at all, so no need to draw down on him. Now had they tried to pull him over WHILE he was speeding, then ok, I can see it. Plus, don't know how just 2 cops CAN'T be excessive? All it takes is ONE COP to be excessive with his ONE GUN.

Did you WATCH the video? Because if you watch the video what you're saying makes no sense at all.

Two guys in a car (one black, one white - but I doubt the cop knew how many people were in the car since the windows are blacked out) are pulled over by a single cop on a motorcyle after weaving in and out of traffic at over 100 MPH, then driving suspect on a surface street. There's probably less than one minute between the freeway exit and the cop pulling up behind him. The guy just put hundreds (or thousands) of innocent lives at risk because he wanted to race somebody. It's idiotic, CRIMINAL behavior. Are you defending his crimes? Because to me they're indefensible.

Regarding the cops, there isn't 20 of them with guns, tazers, pepper spray and clubs drawn (which we've all seen happen). It's ONE cop, on a motorcycle (that a car could drive right over if put in reverse) arresting a (now) suspected felon. As far as I can tell from watching the video the cop acted exactly how he should have (probably according to procedure). When his backup arrives the passenger is treated exactly the same way, and he wasn't even driving. Yes, two cops could be excessive in their actions. But in this case they weren't - it's right there on the video.

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I watched it, that's why I commented on it. Read back and you'll see. The problem is, you're reacting off what you saw in its entirety while the cop on the scene didn't pursue him. You're going off emotion, so in your mind that justifies the cops dawing down on the dudes.

Your 2nd paragraphs stinks to high hell of racial profiling. So in your mind, the moment that it's a Black man speeding, then there's obviously something heinous going on to where the cop needs to pull out his gun simply because it's a Black dude present. Then you're ridiculous claim that he put "thousands of people at risk" tells me you're truly going off the moment of what you saw in its entirety and not the moment the guy was pulled over. And again, if you read my comments throughout this topic you will see I'm not defending his crime, just the way he was apprehended.

As for it just being one cop, again, you're assessment stinks to high hell of racial profiling. The car wasn't speeding when the cop came up on him. Evans cooperated the moment the cop rolled up on him. So where was the immediate danger you're screaming about? There wasn't one. Now, if the cop couldn't see inside the car, then cool, I understand that. But to say he should've been at gunpoint due to something the cop wasn't even involved in (the pursuit) doesn't fly with me.

Shaq 2 the Celtics?

Graycap23 said:

Shaq 2 the Celtics?

Makes sense. He's only gonna sign where he can get a ring, and he's a gun-for-hire now at this point in his career.

RebirthOfCool said:

Cerebus said:

Did you WATCH the video? Because if you watch the video what you're saying makes no sense at all.

Two guys in a car (one black, one white - but I doubt the cop knew how many people were in the car since the windows are blacked out) are pulled over by a single cop on a motorcyle after weaving in and out of traffic at over 100 MPH, then driving suspect on a surface street. There's probably less than one minute between the freeway exit and the cop pulling up behind him. The guy just put hundreds (or thousands) of innocent lives at risk because he wanted to race somebody. It's idiotic, CRIMINAL behavior. Are you defending his crimes? Because to me they're indefensible.

Regarding the cops, there isn't 20 of them with guns, tazers, pepper spray and clubs drawn (which we've all seen happen). It's ONE cop, on a motorcycle (that a car could drive right over if put in reverse) arresting a (now) suspected felon. As far as I can tell from watching the video the cop acted exactly how he should have (probably according to procedure). When his backup arrives the passenger is treated exactly the same way, and he wasn't even driving. Yes, two cops could be excessive in their actions. But in this case they weren't - it's right there on the video.

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I watched it, that's why I commented on it. Read back and you'll see. The problem is, you're reacting off what you saw in its entirety while the cop on the scene didn't pursue him. You're going off emotion, so in your mind that justifies the cops dawing down on the dudes.

Your 2nd paragraphs stinks to high hell of racial profiling. So in your mind, the moment that it's a Black man speeding, then there's obviously something heinous going on to where the cop needs to pull out his gun simply because it's a Black dude present. Then you're ridiculous claim that he put "thousands of people at risk" tells me you're truly going off the moment of what you saw in its entirety and not the moment the guy was pulled over. And again, if you read my comments throughout this topic you will see I'm not defending his crime, just the way he was apprehended.

As for it just being one cop, again, you're assessment stinks to high hell of racial profiling. The car wasn't speeding when the cop came up on him. Evans cooperated the moment the cop rolled up on him. So where was the immediate danger you're screaming about? There wasn't one. Now, if the cop couldn't see inside the car, then cool, I understand that. But to say he should've been at gunpoint due to something the cop wasn't even involved in (the pursuit) doesn't fly with me.

WHAT are you talking about? Racial profiling? I didn't say ANYTHING that has to do with racial profiling. I mentioned it was probably procedure and that there was a white guy treated exactly the same way. He DID put an uncountable number of people at serious risk of injury or death. If a criminal, of any color, had done the same thing with a gun they would have been arrested in this manner. Wasn't speeding when the cop rolled up on him? So, what? They're supposed to magically stop him WHILE HE WAS DRIVING OVER 100 MPH? You just aren't making any sense, dude. So I'm callin' peace on this one.

RebirthOfCool said:

Graycap23 said:

Shaq 2 the Celtics?

Makes sense. He's only gonna sign where he can get a ring, and he's a gun-for-hire now at this point in his career.

And he's chipping away at his own legacy in the process. This will make 4 teams in 4 seasons. But with JO'Neal, KG, Big Baby, Perk and Shaq they'll have plenty of quality bodies to throw at the Lakers, Heat, etc. My sense though is that This Is It for the C's. They don't get it done in '11 and it's over.

The Miami Heat and Boston Celtics will meet on opening night.

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/08/03/2010schedule/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Cerebus said:

RebirthOfCool said:

I watched it, that's why I commented on it. Read back and you'll see. The problem is, you're reacting off what you saw in its entirety while the cop on the scene didn't pursue him. You're going off emotion, so in your mind that justifies the cops dawing down on the dudes.

Your 2nd paragraphs stinks to high hell of racial profiling. So in your mind, the moment that it's a Black man speeding, then there's obviously something heinous going on to where the cop needs to pull out his gun simply because it's a Black dude present. Then you're ridiculous claim that he put "thousands of people at risk" tells me you're truly going off the moment of what you saw in its entirety and not the moment the guy was pulled over. And again, if you read my comments throughout this topic you will see I'm not defending his crime, just the way he was apprehended.

As for it just being one cop, again, you're assessment stinks to high hell of racial profiling. The car wasn't speeding when the cop came up on him. Evans cooperated the moment the cop rolled up on him. So where was the immediate danger you're screaming about? There wasn't one. Now, if the cop couldn't see inside the car, then cool, I understand that. But to say he should've been at gunpoint due to something the cop wasn't even involved in (the pursuit) doesn't fly with me.

WHAT are you talking about? Racial profiling? I didn't say ANYTHING that has to do with racial profiling. I mentioned it was probably procedure and that there was a white guy treated exactly the same way. He DID put an uncountable number of people at serious risk of injury or death. If a criminal, of any color, had done the same thing with a gun they would have been arrested in this manner. Wasn't speeding when the cop rolled up on him? So, what? They're supposed to magically stop him WHILE HE WAS DRIVING OVER 100 MPH? You just aren't making any sense, dude. So I'm callin' peace on this one.

Just like the cops don't say it, but they do it, and so did you. Why even mention Evans' race if you weren't profiling? So you ain't getting off the hook with that one. But now you say it was an "uncountable number" yet you had it in the thousands. So which is it? And NOW you're saying Evans had a gun? WTF? See, this is why I hardly ever debate with online personas because they tend to switch up their argument after they get called out on some of their nonsense, so yeah "peace out" is the best way to end this .

namepeace said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Makes sense. He's only gonna sign where he can get a ring, and he's a gun-for-hire now at this point in his career.

And he's chipping away at his own legacy in the process. This will make 4 teams in 4 seasons. But with JO'Neal, KG, Big Baby, Perk and Shaq they'll have plenty of quality bodies to throw at the Lakers, Heat, etc. My sense though is that This Is It for the C's. They don't get it done in '11 and it's over.

Well, people tend to forget about a great player's latter years, so I think his legacy will be intact. And yeah I agree, this is the Celt's last run.

RebirthOfCool said:

namepeace said:

And he's chipping away at his own legacy in the process. This will make 4 teams in 4 seasons. But with JO'Neal, KG, Big Baby, Perk and Shaq they'll have plenty of quality bodies to throw at the Lakers, Heat, etc. My sense though is that This Is It for the C's. They don't get it done in '11 and it's over.

Well, people tend to forget about a great player's latter years, so I think his legacy will be intact. And yeah I agree, this is the Celt's last run.

When it comes to Laker fans, particularly in Los Angeles, many of them have forgetten Big's PRIME. Nearly 6 years later, many of them villify Shaq, comveniently overlooking Kobe's fingerprints on the body that was the Bling Dynasty. But he had 3 of the greatest seasons any Laker has ever had, and had he gotten the ball in the 2004 Finals he may have led them to another title. Those things usually are remembered again after a player is gone, but signing with the Celtics, under the premise that you can help them beat the Lakers, that's going to make it harder for most Laker fans to acknowledge and appreciate the good times.

The proof lies in two words: Packers Fan.

His legacy will be okay, he's a first ballot HOFer and all that. His legacy as a Laker, however, may be critically injured depending on what happens next spring.

namepeace said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Well, people tend to forget about a great player's latter years, so I think his legacy will be intact. And yeah I agree, this is the Celt's last run.

When it comes to Laker fans, particularly in Los Angeles, many of them have forgetten Big's PRIME. Nearly 6 years later, many of them villify Shaq, comveniently overlooking Kobe's fingerprints on the body that was the Bling Dynasty. But he had 3 of the greatest seasons any Laker has ever had, and had he gotten the ball in the 2004 Finals he may have led them to another title. Those things usually are remembered again after a player is gone, but signing with the Celtics, under the premise that you can help them beat the Lakers, that's going to make it harder for most Laker fans to acknowledge and appreciate the good times.

The proof lies in two words: Packers Fan.

His legacy will be okay, he's a first ballot HOFer and all that. His legacy as a Laker, however, may be critically injured depending on what happens next spring.

I will say this, if he beats the Lakers as a Celt, he can kiss his number in the rafters at Staples goodbye.

RebirthOfCool said:

namepeace said:

When it comes to Laker fans, particularly in Los Angeles, many of them have forgetten Big's PRIME. Nearly 6 years later, many of them villify Shaq, comveniently overlooking Kobe's fingerprints on the body that was the Bling Dynasty. But he had 3 of the greatest seasons any Laker has ever had, and had he gotten the ball in the 2004 Finals he may have led them to another title. Those things usually are remembered again after a player is gone, but signing with the Celtics, under the premise that you can help them beat the Lakers, that's going to make it harder for most Laker fans to acknowledge and appreciate the good times.

The proof lies in two words: Packers Fan.

His legacy will be okay, he's a first ballot HOFer and all that. His legacy as a Laker, however, may be critically injured depending on what happens next spring.

I will say this, if he beats the Lakers as a Celt, he can kiss his number in the rafters at Staples goodbye.

Correct and saddening at the same time.

I was telling a friend of mine today. Everybody ultimately came out ahead from the breakup, but the bitterness still hangs over the team and many of its fans.

namepeace said:

RebirthOfCool said:

I will say this, if he beats the Lakers as a Celt, he can kiss his number in the rafters at Staples goodbye.

Correct and saddening at the same time.

I was telling a friend of mine today. Everybody ultimately came out ahead from the breakup, but the bitterness still hangs over the team and many of its fans.

Yep. Kobe's "1 more than Shaq" comment alone told that.

Imagine these Celtics (just signed Shaq) all in their prime, WHT!!

C: Shaquille O'Neal

F: Kevin Garnett

F: Paul Pierce

G: Ray Allen

G: Rajon Rondo

Reseves

Jermaine O'Neal

Rasheed Wallace

Michael Finley

RebirthOfCool said:

namepeace said:

Correct and saddening at the same time.

I was telling a friend of mine today. Everybody ultimately came out ahead from the breakup, but the bitterness still hangs over the team and many of its fans.

Yep. Kobe's "1 more than Shaq" comment alone told that.

Can you imagine what will happen if he gets one more than Jordan?

It will be a total shit hits the fan fest among Jordan and Kobe fans.

phunkdaddy said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Yep. Kobe's "1 more than Shaq" comment alone told that.

Can you imagine what will happen if he gets one more than Jordan?

It will be a total shit hits the fan fest among Jordan and Kobe fans.

Someone will put out a hit on KObe before that happens.

phunkdaddy said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Yep. Kobe's "1 more than Shaq" comment alone told that.

Can you imagine what will happen if he gets one more than Jordan?

It will be a total shit hits the fan fest among Jordan and Kobe fans.

Well, he wouldn't have 6 in the way Kobe and MJ would have - as either the 1 or 2 guy. At this point, it would the 4th or 5th guy at best

Shaq and Big Baby in the paint - damn, that's a lot of beef.

phunkdaddy said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Yep. Kobe's "1 more than Shaq" comment alone told that.

Can you imagine what will happen if he gets one more than Jordan?

It will be a total shit hits the fan fest among Jordan and Kobe fans.

Not really. Jordan is still the better player and had no where near the teams that Kobe has been on. Hell..........Kobe should have more rings when it is all said and done.

The Lakers are a 1st class organization. The Bulls? Not so much.....

Graycap23 said:

phunkdaddy said:

Can you imagine what will happen if he gets one more than Jordan?

It will be a total shit hits the fan fest among Jordan and Kobe fans.

Not really. Jordan is still the better player and had no where near the teams that Kobe has been on. Hell..........Kobe should have more rings when it is all said and done.

The Lakers are a 1st class organization. The Bulls? Not so much.....

Jordan was a more disciplined player defensively. As great as Kobe is defensively, he loses focus sometimes. He'll leave his man when he doesn't respect him, and his man will burn the unit with an uncontested jumper/trey.

As I said earlier, Kobe came into the league with more advantages, talent and resources than just about any player of his generation, if not ever. Even Laker fans know that.

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

Not really. Jordan is still the better player and had no where near the teams that Kobe has been on. Hell..........Kobe should have more rings when it is all said and done.

The Lakers are a 1st class organization. The Bulls? Not so much.....

Jordan was a more disciplined player defensively. As great as Kobe is defensively, he loses focus sometimes. He'll leave his man when he doesn't respect him, and his man will burn the unit with an uncontested jumper/trey.

As I said earlier, Kobe came into the league with more advantages, talent and resources than just about any player of his generation, if not ever. Even Laker fans know that.

But he also came into the league with better athletes at the 2 and 3 spot.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

phunkdaddy said:

Can you imagine what will happen if he gets one more than Jordan?

It will be a total shit hits the fan fest among Jordan and Kobe fans.

Someone will put out a hit on KObe before that happens.

RebirthOfCool said:

phunkdaddy said:

Can you imagine what will happen if he gets one more than Jordan?

It will be a total shit hits the fan fest among Jordan and Kobe fans.

Well, he wouldn't have 6 in the way Kobe and MJ would have - as either the 1 or 2 guy. At this point, it would the 4th or 5th guy at best

I was referring to Kobe. Who cares about Shaq at this point?

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

Not really. Jordan is still the better player and had no where near the teams that Kobe has been on. Hell..........Kobe should have more rings when it is all said and done.

The Lakers are a 1st class organization. The Bulls? Not so much.....

Jordan was a more disciplined player defensively. As great as Kobe is defensively, he loses focus sometimes. He'll leave his man when he doesn't respect him, and his man will burn the unit with an uncontested jumper/trey.

As I said earlier, Kobe came into the league with more advantages, talent and resources than just about any player of his generation, if not ever. Even Laker fans know that.

Co-sign.

RebirthOfCool said:

namepeace said:

Jordan was a more disciplined player defensively. As great as Kobe is defensively, he loses focus sometimes. He'll leave his man when he doesn't respect him, and his man will burn the unit with an uncontested jumper/trey.

As I said earlier, Kobe came into the league with more advantages, talent and resources than just about any player of his generation, if not ever. Even Laker fans know that.

But he also came into the league with better athletes at the 2 and 3 spot.

Indeed, he had to sit behind players like Eddie Jones, but he was also able to learn and be brought along gradually. Eventually, Jerry West traded Eddie and Elden Campbell because, among other things, 1) Kobe couldn't play the game he wanted (he often went 1-on-3 instead of passing to an open Jones, who was one of the best trey shooters in the league at the time), and 2) Shaq wanted a "shooter" like Glen Rice. At the time of the trade, IMHO, Jones was their best player. It's the only move I bet Logo wishes he had back.

But I digress. What you mentioned is part of what I was referring to. I think going to a deep team put less pressure on him and aided his development as a player.

Let's not forget Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had six titles before Jordan, not to mention three NCAA championships(and changed the face of college basketball). You could say he had a better overall career(from high school to the pros) than Wilt, Jordan, Magic or Bird. Third best center in NBA history, greatest college baller of all time and the greatest player to come out of NYC.

namepeace said:

RebirthOfCool said:

But he also came into the league with better athletes at the 2 and 3 spot.

Indeed, he had to sit behind players like Eddie Jones, but he was also able to learn and be brought along gradually. Eventually, Jerry West traded Eddie and Elden Campbell because, among other things, 1) Kobe couldn't play the game he wanted (he often went 1-on-3 instead of passing to an open Jones, who was one of the best trey shooters in the league at the time), and 2) Shaq wanted a "shooter" like Glen Rice. At the time of the trade, IMHO, Jones was their best player. It's the only move I bet Logo wishes he had back.

But I digress. What you mentioned is part of what I was referring to. I think going to a deep team put less pressure on him and aided his development as a player.

But if you keep Eddie, would Kobe have developed at the faster pace than he did? I think the trading of Eddie was moreo to develop Kobe at the 2, and EJ was keeping that from happening.

uPtoWnNY said:

Let's not forget Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had six titles before Jordan, not to mention three NCAA championships(and changed the face of college basketball). You could say he had a better overall career(from high school to the pros) than Wilt, Jordan, Magic or Bird. Third best center in NBA history, greatest college baller of all time and the greatest player to come out of NYC.

All true..............and u forgot 7'2". (or is that 7'4")

Graycap23 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Let's not forget Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had six titles before Jordan, not to mention three NCAA championships(and changed the face of college basketball). You could say he had a better overall career(from high school to the pros) than Wilt, Jordan, Magic or Bird. Third best center in NBA history, greatest college baller of all time and the greatest player to come out of NYC.

All true..............and u forgot 7'2". (or is that 7'4")

...and he had the deadliest weapon ever, the unstoppable sky hook. It was a thing of beauty to watch. It's a shame more big men don't learn it.

uPtoWnNY said:

Graycap23 said:

All true..............and u forgot 7'2". (or is that 7'4")

...and he had the deadliest weapon ever, the unstoppable sky hook. It was a thing of beauty to watch. It's a shame more big men don't learn it.

He used to crack me up hitting that shot from 15 plus feet.

I still use that shot on these young bucks when I play. They can't stop it.....lol.